Guten tag herr Jones

LOL typical lib wants free stuff

I've had it with these monkey fighting chavs on this Monday to Friday train!

We could talk about this or we could talk about the Dark Knight Rises prologue. Yeah, it was pretty much the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Vas?

Scooped by Gawker. Nicely done, farkers.

http://gawker.com/5867180/viral-vigilante-of-the-day-the-big-man

Hard to feel sorry for the little shiat. However --- would have been a shiatstorm if the kid couldn't get home and got murdered like Daniel Morcombe. We'd be baying for Big Man's blood. We are a fickle lot.





/didn't get kicked off a train
//bus didn't pick him up
///not quite the same

Train vigilante should face assault charge


//more like should be given an award...

Begoggle: LOL typical lib 1%er wants free stuff

betterly more truthier

Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.

This is the problem with collecting tickets mid-ride. Just take them at the door like everybody else. Avoid that sticky situation where you have to throw someone off the train.

nonvideas: Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.


Above the picture of the suspiciously freshly bleeding 'teenager', it says: :He told the Edinburgh Record: 'I had been out celebrating after an exam and I was half asleep on the train."

Maybe he handed the guy the wrong ticket. Maybe he was so bombed from his 'celebrating' that he forgot to buy the return one. Still no excuse for cursing at the conductor.

Tsar_Bomba1: Train vigilante should face assault charge


//more like should be given an award...

Give him an award if you'd like. he should still be charged with assault.

/and put on a diet

Begoggle: LOL typical lib wants free stuff

I must have missed the part where he was yelling for economic equality and chanting "this is what democracy looks like."

/also that "big man" seems like he might be a hot head

ladyfortuna: nonvideas: Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.


Above the picture of the suspiciously freshly bleeding 'teenager', it says: :He told the Edinburgh Record: 'I had been out celebrating after an exam and I was half asleep on the train."

Maybe he handed the guy the wrong ticket. Maybe he was so bombed from his 'celebrating' that he forgot to buy the return one. Still no excuse for cursing at the conductor.

The article referenced above regarding charging the guy with assault has the boy's father claiming that he bought two tickets but was given two single tickets, possibly a misprint or he gave the return ticket to the first conductor on his way out and the conductor didn't notice.

Regardless, I agree it's no excuse for cursing at the conductor. The conductor, however, wasn't going to allow any argument or debate, and it'd be pretty frustrating if you'd paid for a ticket and couldn't prove it and were about to get tossed from the train. I'd probably swear too, especially if the guy just kept saying "OUT" to me.

We do it a little differently here, our "transit police" issue you a $500 ticket instead. >:-D Pretty hefty fare for a bus/train ride that's at most about 30 miles long. :P

Thing is, everyone's so quick to assume the worst. I've travelled to work and back on a train every day for almost six years. I've seen kids fighting amongst themselves, people smoking, people refusing to buy tickets and getting aggressive with the conductor.... but I've also been on the other side of the fence. I once left my season ticket on my desk at work, got to the station at the other end and was accused by some fascist little farkbag of not only deliberately dodging fares but of doing it repeatedly. I spend £1400 a year on train fares, I made an honest mistake and I was humilated in front of a crowd of commuters. If some fatass had taken it upon himself to evict me from the premises there's every chance he would've gone home missing an eyeball.
In this case, the conductor handled it badly, the kid handled it badly and fatty had no business getting involved at all.

edgar1981: Thing is, everyone's so quick to assume the worst. I've travelled to work and back on a train every day for almost six years. I've seen kids fighting amongst themselves, people smoking, people refusing to buy tickets and getting aggressive with the conductor.... but I've also been on the other side of the fence. I once left my season ticket on my desk at work, got to the station at the other end and was accused by some fascist little farkbag of not only deliberately dodging fares but of doing it repeatedly. I spend £1400 a year on train fares, I made an honest mistake and I was humilated in front of a crowd of commuters. If some fatass had taken it upon himself to evict me from the premises there's every chance he would've gone home missing an eyeball.
In this case, the conductor handled it badly, the kid handled it badly and fatty had no business getting involved at all.

I once dashed on to a commuter train (MetroLink in the LA area) at the last minute assuming I could buy a ticket from the conductor in such situations. Not only would they not honor my offer to buy a ticket on the spot or when I got to my destination but the conductor was excessively surly and proceeded to write us tickets, which were only addressable in person in Los Angles, and I live 90 miles away. I had never seen anything like it. The problem is that MetroLink employees are basically deputized by the state and can issue fines. So they have the TSA mentality rather than reasonable options.

I sent a letter of complaint to metrolink expressing honest shock that there was no way for an honest person to pay a fare after boarding or negotiate to pay upon arrival. This is common civility and common sense, and they had none of it.

Several weeks later I received a notice that the fines had been dropped. I had vaguely intimated that I would take the issue to the press if it wasn't able to be resolved amicably.

Needless to say I decided never to ride MetroLink ever again. They sure aren't doing anything to attract riders.

Anyhow, back to the story...if the kid's back story really did check out, the kid did not approach it correctly. Being obstinate gets you nowhere. Seeking out the conductor before he finds you and explaining that you have a legitimate problem will get you farther, provided they do not act like the conductors in my story. I'm inclined to believe that he was stonewalling because he knew he was deliberately breaking the law. But I could be wrong and the kid could just be really stupid.

And yea to the person who realized that checking fares when already on board is pretty dumb in this day and age. Systems like Japan Rail or BART in the Bay Area where you put your ticket in a turnstyle work a lot better. No fuss no muss. you're either in or you're out. When I travel to Japan I have a pre-paid SUICA card that gets me into most train stations around Tokyo and environs.

-M

I used to commute a lot by train as well. At the end of a long shift, when you're just trying to get home and some little douche is keeping the train from departing, he'd be on his ass next to the train in 5 minutes. It sucks if it's not his mistake, but a clerical error, but fark it. Get out of the train, go to the station, explain your story to someone in charge, show the wrong ticket & take the next train. You should always make sure you have the right ticket before you get on board. As to the cuts & bruises, be a man, I've had worse playing outside as a kid.

nonvideas: Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.

This is the problem with collecting tickets mid-ride. Just take them at the door like everybody else. Avoid that sticky situation where you have to throw someone off the train.

as for your first point, maybe it's possible, but i rode a train like this every day for like a year and a half and of all the people i saw get kicked off, in 95% of the cases it was pretty obvious that they didn't buy the ticket and were trying to play it off as an innocent mistake... the whole "ohh, i thought this one-way ticket was round trip" excuse got used quite a bit.. the fact that the kid was belligerent wasn't helping his case either. i saw maybe 2 or 3 times where you could tell the person just had no clue about how it works and generally they were given a polite explanation.

they collect tickets mid ride because it's way more efficient. it takes maybe 3-4 minutes per car to check everybody...on a 20-30 minute ride they can -maybe- check everyone once and that's just the people going the whole way. if the train had to sit there for 20 minutes while boarding it would double the time of the trip. maybe if you had 5x as many conductors but then you wouldn't need to worry about forcing people off either. and really it's only a problem for the person who tried to scam a free trip, the conductors could care less about the sticky situation, they've heard it all a million times before.. some conductors seemed to have more attitude than others of course..

Tsar_Bomba1: Train vigilante should face assault charge (new window)

//more like should be given an award...

FTA: He also claimed he had been advised when he caught the train that morning to buy two singles, as that would be cheaper, and had been given two tickets in the same direction by mistake.

Why didn't he address the situation then, when he was sober? If he bought them from a machine, he should have said something to the first conductor or called the CS number, if there is one. Or, thinking on your feet: offer to give the extra ticket to another passenger before boarding in exchange for a new correct ticket. While it may be a legitimate mistake, he is making it hard to be sympathetic towards him.

ladyfortuna: Above the picture of the suspiciously freshly bleeding 'teenager', it says: :He told the Edinburgh Record: 'I had been out celebrating after an exam and I was half asleep on the train."Maybe he handed the guy the wrong ticket. Maybe he was so bombed from his 'celebrating' that he forgot to buy the return one. Still no excuse for cursing at the conductor.

Quite likely so. It's often cheaper to buy two singles than a return trip ticket. Of course, the proper course of action is to either present the other ticket or the receipt.

Gordon Bennett:

Quite likely so. It's often cheaper to buy two singles than a return trip ticket. Of course, the proper course of action is to either present the other ticket or the receipt.

Usually a return is cheaper

In my part of the UK, a conductor sometimes get put on the train merely to check tickets, as there are a couple of unmanned stops where you are able to get in/out without a ticket - and because of that, I have seen dozens of people caught without any ticket - or going further than they paid for............the first excuse is always "Of course I paid for a ticket but I made a mistake..."

I commute 5 days a week...... if this little punk was stopping me getting home I would....... I would........ well, I'd probably hope for someone like big guy to deal with the little punk while i hunkered down and turned my ipod up

furterfan: I commute 5 days a week...... if this little punk was stopping me getting home I would....... I would........ well, I'd probably hope for someone like big guy to deal with the little punk while i hunkered down and turned my ipod up

Oh ho ho! Look at Mr. I'm So Normal over here.

Really? If someone was bothering you in real life, you'd just ignore it? Come on.

If that were Pennsylvania, he'd be raped by a coach first, then thrown off the train.

Gordon Bennett: Quite likely so. It's often cheaper to buy two singles than a return trip ticket. Of course, the proper course of action is to either present the other ticket or the receipt.

Not on Scotrail - a return is always substantially cheaper than 2 singles.

If he had only caught the morning train

And the Occupy Edinburgh to Perth movement comes to an end.

/And it's Scotland. He's not a Chav, he's a Ned.

nonvideas: Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.

This is the problem with collecting tickets mid-ride. Just take them at the door like everybody else. Avoid that sticky situation where you have to throw someone off the train.

As has been said, this would cause massive delays (think 20 minute stops instead of 2 minute stops). A better solutions is what they do in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland: you can get on the train without a ticket, you just have to buy a ticket from the conductor when he comes by to check the tickets. There's a small "convenience fee" for buying the ticket on the train instead of ahead of time at the station, but this way the trains run more quickly and nobody gets kicked off the train.

AverageAmericanGuy: furterfan: I commute 5 days a week...... if this little punk was stopping me getting home I would....... I would........ well, I'd probably hope for someone like big guy to deal with the little punk while i hunkered down and turned my ipod up

Oh ho ho! Look at Mr. I'm So Normal over here.

Really? If someone was bothering you in real life, you'd just ignore it? Come on.

Averageamericanguy, you sound............err........ American
yeah, like most normal (non american) people - if the guy wasn't in my face, bothering me, I'd prefer to let someone else deal with it............maybe some one big enough to deal with any unforeseen consequences

why is that so hard to understand?

harlock: I sent a letter of complaint to metrolink expressing honest shock that there was no way for an honest person to pay a fare after boarding or negotiate to pay upon arrival. This is common civility and common sense, and they had none of it.

I don't know how LA does it, but on our system, the ticket checking is only a spot enforcement. Odds are you'll not get checked. So there's no one there to buy a ticket directly from or promise to buy a ticket at the destination. And that would give everyone a get out of jail free card when they get caught.

Lone Stranger: If he had only caught the morning train



Ah, another Manchester United fan! SING!

AverageAmericanGuy: furterfan: I commute 5 days a week...... if this little punk was stopping me getting home I would....... I would........ well, I'd probably hope for someone like big guy to deal with the little punk while i hunkered down and turned my ipod up

Oh ho ho! Look at Mr. I'm So Normal over here.

Really? If someone was bothering you in real life, you'd just ignore it? Come on.

Unfortunately, he/she pprobably would ignore it. The other day, I watched a video filmed on a UK train with some biatch ranting & raving & spewing horrible racist marks & only 2 ppl out of a entire train had the balls to tell her off. The rest just stood there like a deer in headlights

//nowadays ppl don't want to get involved

mgary: As has been said, this would cause massive delays (think 20 minute stops instead of 2 minute stops). A better solutions is what they do in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland: you can get on the train without a ticket, you just have to buy a ticket from the conductor when he comes by to check the tickets. There's a small "convenience fee" for buying the ticket on the train instead of ahead of time at the station, but this way the trains run more quickly and nobody gets kicked off the train.

You can buy tickets on the train, they're exactly the same price as if you bought them at the station. This little farker is making up excuses for being a fare-dodging little shiate, and the people defending him are daft.

nonvideas: Everyone's gonna feel stupid in a couple of days when it turns out the kid had a legit ticket that was either misread or misprinted.

Everyone was sick of this young person's shiat whether or not the problem with his ticket was legit.

I'm thinking the big guy was in a security profession of some type, either
that or the kid had already worn out his welcome with the other passengers
and it was community justice.

Cause I hate you,
And I berate you!

Can sympathize.

Go Transit in the Toronto area is probably similar to the Scots train service. There are stations with attendants for purchasing tickets, but entrance to the platforms are barrier free, and some directly from the parking lot. Fare payment is strictly on the honour system and there are only random ticket checks.

I was travelling one station with a friend and while I had a monthly pass, I advised her not to buy one because "they never check tickets between these stations." Lo and behold that was the day, so I gave her my ticket. Transit Security called my ID in and when they saw I had no record on file, they let me off with a warning instead of the $295 fine.

/CSB
//Have had my ticket checked twice in the past 4 months
///Always pay the fare

Markus D: I used to commute a lot by train as well. At the end of a long shift, when you're just trying to get home and some little douche is keeping the train from departing, he'd be on his ass next to the train in 5 minutes. It sucks if it's not his mistake, but a clerical error, but fark it. Get out of the train, go to the station, explain your story to someone in charge, show the wrong ticket & take the next train. You should always make sure you have the right ticket before you get on board. As to the cuts & bruises, be a man, I've had worse playing outside as a kid.

(What used to be) British Rail used to use a ticket issuing system called APTIS (All Purpose Ticket... you can guess the rest). They may still use an updated version of it with the same acronym Just checked, they still do (new window). If someone asks for a ticket to one of 24 'top' stations, the office clerk would simply choose the destination, the ticket type (various types of 'single' for one way travel or 'return' for a there-and-back journey), and the method of payment (a lettered code would display after the money amount, in this case it's 'M' for money).



Everything else (Standard class, the route if any, the date of issue, etc.) would be default. Anyone wishing to buy a ticket for an advanced date, or a ticket from a different origin station, or for a child rate? More options would need to be selected.

The ticket above was for travel on October 29, but was bought in advance of that date. Whatever date it was bought, it was purchased at 12.42 pm. And it was not bought at Leamington Spa, but at Bradford-on-Avon (station code 3341, Western region, ticket window #1) using machine # 4194. The person also used a Senior Citizen Railcard to get a discount on the ticket, which the inspector would also ask to see.

One of the jobs when I worked in Britain in the 1990s was helping with automatic ticket barrier implementation for LUL. The tickets were encoded with the information on a magnetic strip, and the machines can determine whether it's acceptable for a person to use the Underground as a transfer method for their Rail ticket. I still remember a lot of these details after over a decade, and the station code I found online.

So the inspector would be able to tell after half a second that the punk was a lying sack of shiat.

I would be too embarrassed to tell my parents. What a pussy. When the whole train's against you...you go. I was mid-argument with a cop once, when I realized that (although I was right) it was going to end badly. So I swallowed my pride, apologized, and buggered off.

Just checked, they still do (new window) stopped using it in 2007.

FTFM

I approve.

To all of you saying the Big Man should be charged with assault, it was none of his business, etc., well you're all wrong. He was given permission to do what he did by the conductor. Conductors are in charge of the train. End of story.

I did enjoy how it looked like he popped up out of nowhere and materialized right behind this misbehaving brat. That was cool.