pudding7: "The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language."

Let's? It's been completely dismantled for years.

/see: War On Drugs

pudding7: "The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language."

Aarontology: pudding7: "The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language."

Veto this shiat.

GAT_00: Aarontology: pudding7: "The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language."

Veto this shiat.

Why would he do that? He got what he wanted: more power consolidated in the hands of the president to detain suspects anywhere anytime he wants in our now statutorily ratified eternal war on "terror".

Told you f*ckers back when the president was assassinating US citizens in Yemen.

"Slippery slope fallacy", you all said.

F*cking told you so.

Our only hope now is the Supreme Court.

Jesus wept.

gilgigamesh: Told you f*ckers back when the president was assassinating US citizens in Yemen.

Yeah, I'm the person that needs to be lectured on the President killing Americans. I think I got yelled at more than anyone else for saying that was farked up.

GAT_00: Aarontology: pudding7: "The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language."

Veto this shiat.

nah, they're gonna pass it, Obama's gonna sign it, and then we're all f*cked.

I didn't mean you, Gat. I was using your response to sweep my virtual finger across all of Farkdom.

gilgigamesh: I didn't mean you, Gat. I was using your response to sweep my virtual finger across all of Farkdom.

I'm sure at some point you'll tell me how drone-striking a terrorist in Yemen is akin to this sh*t.

Lots of nervous terrorists in this thread...

Democrats: We want to put a little more money in the pockets of low/middle class people to boost the economy and ease widespread concerns.

Republicans: Oh yeah? Well, if you want that, then we want the right to arrest and detain anyone we choose without notice, trial, or charges, forever. Either way, we win.

gilgigamesh: I didn't mean you, Gat. I was using your response to sweep my virtual finger across all of Farkdom.

No worries. We already had the yelling for the day earlier.

cameroncrazy1984: I'm sure at some point you'll tell me how drone-striking a terrorist in Yemen is akin to this sh*t.

Well, it says we start treating Americans like foreign terrorists. Why not start bombing them from drones too?

The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language.

Could have told you that would happen. Farking authoritarian assholes.

The legislation would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation's borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. The lawmakers made no changes to that language.

So, NO, the 4th amendment is still in tattered pieces, subby.

djkutch: Lots of nervous terrorists in this thread...

Free people are NOT terrorists.

cameroncrazy1984: I'm sure at some point you'll tell me how drone-striking a terrorist in Yemen is akin to this sh*t.

So you don't see the progression of due process-free assassination orders against American citizens wherever they are found to due process-free indefinite detention of American citizens right here at home?

Because I did.

In fact I am pretty sure I pretty much had that same conversation with you a couple of months ago.

GaryPDX: djkutch: Lots of nervous terrorists in this thread...

Free people are NOT terrorists.

According to the authoritarians who infest congress, yes - free people ARE terrorists.

GaryPDX: [www.pbpulse.com image 361x480]

Here we agree.

Wolverines indeed.

cameroncrazy1984: I'm sure at some point you'll tell me how drone-striking a terrorist in Yemen is akin to this sh*t.

The operative concept here -- the thing that rubs me wrong in both cases -- is the fluid definition of "terrorist" and the increasingly unfettered authority of the president to define who fits the bill.

gilgigamesh: cameroncrazy1984: I'm sure at some point you'll tell me how drone-striking a terrorist in Yemen is akin to this sh*t.

The operative concept here -- the thing that rubs me wrong in both cases -- is the fluid definition of "terrorist" and the increasingly unfettered authority of the president to define who fits the bill.

it's gonna be AWESOME standing in the prison chow line with Rush Limbaugh...

Weaver95: GaryPDX: djkutch: Lots of nervous terrorists in this thread...

Free people are NOT terrorists.

According to the authoritarians who infest congress, yes - free people ARE terrorists.

Well you just need to get your Wolverine freak on, Weav. I know you guys have been making Freedom moonshine in your hills for generations. Step up to your Freedom, no matter the cost. Say NO to the yoke.

Weaver95: it's gonna be AWESOME standing in the prison chow line with Rush Limbaugh...

Rush Limbaugh will eat the rest of the prison chow line.

/It's funny because he's fat

GaryPDX: Step up to your Freedom, no matter the cost. Say NO to the yoke.

How do we do that, exactly? This law will pass without the slightest notice.

I have been emailing constant updates about this travesty to pretty much everyone I know. You know how many responses I've gotten to date? Zilch.

Either it's too overwhelming to contemplate or people just wave it off thinking "somebody" will do "something", without realizing that everyone in both parties (with the exception of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders) absolutely lurve this bill.

Nobody cares.

gilgigamesh: GaryPDX: Step up to your Freedom, no matter the cost. Say NO to the yoke.

How do we do that, exactly? This law will pass without the slightest notice.

I have been emailing constant updates about this travesty to pretty much everyone I know. You know how many responses I've gotten to date? Zilch.

Either it's too overwhelming to contemplate or people just wave it off thinking "somebody" will do "something", without realizing that everyone in both parties (with the exception of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders) absolutely lurve this bill.

Nobody cares.

Or... Maybe nobody likes you.

/I keed...

gilgigamesh: Nobody cares.

...yet.

gilgigamesh: GaryPDX: Step up to your Freedom, no matter the cost. Say NO to the yoke.

How do we do that, exactly? This law will pass without the slightest notice.

I have been emailing constant updates about this travesty to pretty much everyone I know. You know how many responses I've gotten to date? Zilch.

Either it's too overwhelming to contemplate or people just wave it off thinking "somebody" will do "something", without realizing that everyone in both parties (with the exception of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders) absolutely lurve this bill.

Nobody cares.

Go underground. Live only as necessary with the grid. Stockpile. Tyrannies are fleeting, Freedom will prevail. If you can't vote them out, starve them out.

GaryPDX: Say NO to the yoke.

blah. sorry - I just had an S.M. Stirling moment there.

stupid Draka.

Shostie: Or... Maybe nobody likes you.

Not now, after my endless stream of emails about this. I'm guessing the collective reaction is probably hope that I will shut the eff up about this crap.

GaryPDX: Go underground. Live only as necessary with the grid. Stockpile. Tyrannies are fleeting, Freedom will prevail. If you can't vote them out, starve them out.

I think we'll have to wait and see what happens. right now, people aren't directly affected by any of this. But the country IS waking up. the OWS movement lasted far beyond my expectations AND in spite of a very well organized media black out. so people are starting to understand that their buddies in Congress don't really care about the little people back home.

Weaver95: gilgigamesh: Nobody cares.

...yet.

Yet. Until someone really crazy gets elected, and then something really bad goes down.

People don't see Obama abusing this, and frankly neither do I. It isn't Obama I am worried about, it's the next guy. No farking forethought.

GaryPDX: Go underground. Live only as necessary with the grid. Stockpile. Tyrannies are fleeting, Freedom will prevail. If you can't vote them out, starve them out.

But... but... my cable...

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Say NO to the yoke.

blah. sorry - I just had an S.M. Stirling moment there.

stupid Draka.

Seriously mang, "too big to fail" is nothing more than shackles and yokes on all of our backs. Let the bad players burn. We will all be better off.

gilgigamesh: Obama

... and just so I don't look like a partisan hack, I also wasn't worried about Bush becoming a dictator. Same problem: I was worried he was laying the foundations for a dictator, just like Obama is.

The difference is I believed Bush just lacked foresight and didn't know any better. For the life of me, I thought Obama did.

gilgigamesh: gilgigamesh: Obama

... and just so I don't look like a partisan hack, I also wasn't worried about Bush becoming a dictator. Same problem: I was worried he was laying the foundations for a dictator, just like Obama is.

The difference is I believed Bush just lacked foresight and didn't know any better. For the life of me, I thought Obama did.

What I think is Bush set some very bad presidents, IE the Patriot Act, DHS..etc etc. Honestly I think Boosh had good intentions. But I hated it then and I hate it now because I knew it would morph into something completely intolerable by Free People. And here we are today.

Weaver95: it's gonna be AWESOME standing in the prison chow line with Rush Limbaugh...

I hope you're in front of him, or you may go hungry.

AdolfOliverPanties: Weaver95: it's gonna be AWESOME standing in the prison chow line with Rush Limbaugh...

I hope you're in front of him, or you may go hungry.

Rush Limbaugh: 'i'm kinda famous you know.'
me: 'you don't understand. i'm not locked up in here with you. you're locked up in here with me.'
[everyone else moves away from the deep fryer]

gilgigamesh: GaryPDX: Step up to your Freedom, no matter the cost. Say NO to the yoke.

How do we do that, exactly? This law will pass without the slightest notice.

I have been emailing constant updates about this travesty to pretty much everyone I know. You know how many responses I've gotten to date? Zilch.

Either it's too overwhelming to contemplate or people just wave it off thinking "somebody" will do "something", without realizing that everyone in both parties (with the exception of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders) absolutely lurve this bill.

Nobody cares.

I am totally against this rider, but come on, "without the slightest notice?" This bill has been discussed on every major news network and talking head show, and every time it gets amended, it shows up on the main page of most of the major networks' news sites. Nobody reading your Facebook profile ≠ nobody cares about it.

This is just all kinds of f*cked up. And as much as people around here disagree on so much, I really haven't seen anyone who posts here regularly in favor of this. And yet, there seems to be little resistance to it from the population at large. It's a sad day when we see this kind of erosion of fundamental rights without much of an outcry.

Nabb1: This is just all kinds of f*cked up. And as much as people around here disagree on so much, I really haven't seen anyone who posts here regularly in favor of this. And yet, there seems to be little resistance to it from the population at large. It's a sad day when we see this kind of erosion of fundamental rights without much of an outcry.

wait'll the liters get a hold of it. we'll have three alt accounts who will pretend to support this legislation just to stir shiat up and two accounts that will legitimately support this legislation because 'teh terrorists!!111!1!'

What a terrorist might look like:

gilgigamesh: For the life of me, I thought Obama did.

FWIW, he's got a veto threat on this. Still pending though on actual results.

Nabb1: This is just all kinds of f*cked up. And as much as people around here disagree on so much, I really haven't seen anyone who posts here regularly in favor of this. And yet, there seems to be little resistance to it from the population at large. It's a sad day when we see this kind of erosion of fundamental rights without much of an outcry.

I concur. What majority contingent among the American public actually wants this sort of crap? I don't know anyone who does, not here, not even among my conservative friends and family.

Even though we are losing "The War on Drugs", and are spinning our wheels in "The War on Terror", at least we are coming along nicely in "The War on The Constitution".

Weaver95: Nabb1: This is just all kinds of f*cked up. And as much as people around here disagree on so much, I really haven't seen anyone who posts here regularly in favor of this. And yet, there seems to be little resistance to it from the population at large. It's a sad day when we see this kind of erosion of fundamental rights without much of an outcry.

wait'll the liters get a hold of it. we'll have three alt accounts who will pretend to support this legislation just to stir shiat up and two accounts that will legitimately support this legislation because 'teh terrorists!!111!1!'

True, but when the liters get ahold of anything, no matter how awful or depraved, you can count on a few support it, just for teh LULZ or because, well, you know, there be monsters on that part of the map.

Never hand someone a weapon if you don't know what they'll do with it...