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2011-12-14 10:07:09 AM  
I think we should go the opposite way. Instead of mandating behaviors to make driving safer we should remove all safety features on cars. No seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, etc. Then add a steel pyramid of 4-5 inches long and with a 2 inch diameter in the middle of the steering wheel. That way people will be damn careful when they drive, and if they aren't they will be very quickly removed from the road.
 
2011-12-14 10:14:55 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: I think we should go the opposite way. Instead of mandating behaviors to make driving safer we should remove all safety features on cars. No seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, etc. Then add a steel pyramid of 4-5 inches long and with a 2 inch diameter in the middle of the steering wheel. That way people will be damn careful when they drive, and if they aren't they will be very quickly removed from the road.


There is some support for this idea: Risk Compensation. The safer you make an activity, the more risks people will take. It therefore follows that the riskier you make an activity, the fewer risks people take.

I've observed this myself: Back when I drove a crappy car that leaked brake fluid and had bald tires, I drove much more carefully.
 
2011-12-14 10:19:45 AM  

Spaced Cowboy: Nah, this is the thread where all the functional retards that can't walk and talk at the same time whine and cry about those of us that have no issues multitasking.


Here's your problem: you think you're doing a great job of "multitasking," but in reality you have no idea how badly you're driving while you're on your wireless device, because you're not paying attention to your driving. Trust me: When you're on your cellphone, you drive like sh*t. You think otherwise because you're egotistical and self-centered.
 
2011-12-14 10:28:11 AM  
This thread is proof that self-absorbed Americans will always need big government to provide them with adult supervision. Whining and crying about how much you love to point your two-ton ballistic missle down the road without a driver behind the wheel. How precious. Eddie Barzoon would be proud.
 
2011-12-14 11:10:43 AM  

dittybopper: AbortionsForAll: It's not "groups" who are doing it dude. It's most of the populace. Most people are just too short-sighted to understand anything else. You know what scared the living shiat out of me? I saw this forum on some random website about gun control... There was a poll where the options were:

1. Guns for everyone
2. Guns with regulation
3. Ban all guns

Over 80% of thousands of US citizens voted option 3. I was freakin' horrified. Most people don't understand why a blanket gun ban is a bad idea. They just repeat their mantra "it would save lives" or "guns kill people". It's just the same thing with anything else.

I gotta call "Bullshiat" on this anecdote.

It doesn't square with actual polling data: Support for a complete ban on just handguns hasn't been above 43% since the early 1970's.

Even when worded like this "To protect the constitutional rights of gun owners, state and local governments are NOT allowed to ban handguns and concealed weapons, even in high crime areas.", more people (60%) either agree or strongly agree, then disagree or strongly disagree (38%)
(at http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm - Fark didn't like the address)

You might get a result like you claim from an unscientific online poll at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership website, but even then I doubt it: Gunners would flood it, giving the exact opposite numbers, and they'd have to hide the results.


That is precisely why I was so surprised when I saw the online poll results myself. I didn't say EVERY gun poll was like that, but the point was that I was horrified at the fact that that one was. I know as well as you do that pro-gun special interest groups do a good job at fending off the gun-banning-public under normal circumstances. I might try to find the link and post it if I remember once I get to work.
 
2011-12-14 11:15:51 AM  
A 19-year-old pickup driver sent 11 texts in the 11 minutes before before the accident,

There's the problem.
 
2011-12-14 11:18:03 AM  
Unfortunately, most people who are texting and driving aren't the ones getting injured or killed. Because of this, people who do this reckless act see little reason why they should stop. If it was the other way around, I'm sure people would care a bit more about their own lives and would consider stopping.

Phones are for talking, not typing. When did they devolve?
 
2011-12-14 11:52:13 AM  

pdee: A 19-year-old pickup driver sent 11 texts in the 11 minutes before before the accident,

There's the problem.


Yeah, who the hell drives a 19 year old pick-up?
 
2011-12-14 11:58:23 AM  

canyoneer: Spaced Cowboy: Nah, this is the thread where all the functional retards that can't walk and talk at the same time whine and cry about those of us that have no issues multitasking.

Here's your problem: you think you're doing a great job of "multitasking," but in reality you have no idea how badly you're driving while you're on your wireless device, because you're not paying attention to your driving. Trust me: When you're on your cellphone, you drive like sh*t. You think otherwise because you're egotistical and self-centered.


Yes of course. You know all about my driving skills based solely on your own deficiency doing the same activity. Project much?
 
2011-12-14 12:19:15 PM  
I'd love to see some of you folks put on a headset and compete in a FPS tourney with squad comms piping into your ear while playing a game where skill is defined exclusively by awareness and reaction time. This thread conjurs images of a bunch of feeble, drooling fools that can barely remain in their chairs due to the combined audio and visual inputs completely frying their tiny little brains.

"Oh noes, my teammate just shouted 'grenade' in my ear and I wrecked my tank into a wall. Halp!"
 
2011-12-14 12:27:29 PM  
People who think they can use a phone and drive competently at the same time are wrong.

True, many of them drive incompetently whether they're using a phone or not, but still.

Hang up and drive, assholes.
 
2011-12-14 12:42:18 PM  
TwistedIvory

Driving while using a handsfree cellular device is not safer than using a hand held cell phone, as concluded by case-crossover studies.[19][20] epidemiological,[1][2] simulation,[9] and meta-analysis[11][12]. The increased "cognitive workload" involved in holding a conversation, not the use of hands, causes the increased risk.[21][22][23] For example, a Carnegie Mellon University study found that merely listening to somebody speak on a phone caused a 37% drop in activity in the parietal lobe, where spatial tasks are managed.[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety#Handsf re e_device


The following text is from the same wiki link you cited:

In contrast, the University of Illinois meta-analysis concluded that passenger conversations were just as costly to driving performance as cell phone ones.[12] AAA ranks passengers as the third most reported cause of distraction-related accidents at 11 percent, compared to 1.5 percent for cellular telephones.[7] A simulation study funded by the American Transportation Research Board concluded that driving events that require urgent responses may be influenced by in-vehicle conversations, and that there is little practical evidence that passengers adjusted their conversations to changes in the traffic. It concluded that drivers' training should address the hazards of both mobile phone and passenger conversations.[31]

If you ban all cellphone use, the next logical step is to ban conversation with passengers. And good luck with that.

I don't remember a plethora of studies involving distracted CB/ham radio use. And I would consider that a lot bigger distraction than a phone.
 
2011-12-14 12:44:17 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: People who think they can use a phone and drive competently at the same time are wrong.

True, many of them drive incompetently whether they're using a phone or not, but still.

Hang up and drive, assholes.


People that think they can do calculus are wrong. Put down the calculator and stick with algebra, assholes.

After all, it is well established in this thread that if I can't personally do something well, NO ON ON THE PLANET can either.

For I am the pinnacle of all human experience and ability and not merely an internet whiner with massive insecurities that I must project on those that do things better than me.
 
2011-12-14 12:52:19 PM  
RE Spaced Cowboy: "For I am the pinnacle of all human experience and ability and not merely an internet whiner with massive insecurities that I must project on those that do things better than me."

No, you're just one of the assholes who won't hang up. I'm sure you have a really super-important reason why.
 
2011-12-14 12:58:55 PM  
Fortunately the stupid drivers here in IN are courteous enough to voluntarily identify themselves.

blogs.pioneerlocal.com

/enjoys a roast beef sammich and curly fries while doing 78 around 465
//drives a stick
 
2011-12-14 01:01:34 PM  

GibbyTheMole: I don't remember a plethora of studies involving distracted CB/ham radio use. And I would consider that a lot bigger distraction than a phone.


Actually, it might be less: Generally a CB or ham radio conversation isn't full duplex: In a two-way conversation, only one person can talk at a time. You can't interrupt someone, you just have to wait until they are done talking. Essentially, it's a series of monologues.
 
2011-12-14 01:08:48 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: RE Spaced Cowboy: "For I am the pinnacle of all human experience and ability and not merely an internet whiner with massive insecurities that I must project on those that do things better than me."

No, you're just one of the assholes who won't hang up. I'm sure you have a really super-important reason why.


My super important reason is that I don't need to and it is nothing that you need to concern yourself with. Worry about yourself and stop whining like a farking biatch at what you imagine to be flaws in my driving ability. My 20 year driving record speaks for itself. Sorry if my being better than you at something makes you whine like this, but that's life kiddo. Someone will always be better than you and do things you can't. Suck it up, princess.
 
2011-12-14 01:26:40 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: I'd love to see some of you folks put on a headset and compete in a FPS tourney with squad comms piping into your ear while playing a game where skill is defined exclusively by awareness and reaction time. This thread conjurs images of a bunch of feeble, drooling fools that can barely remain in their chairs due to the combined audio and visual inputs completely frying their tiny little brains.


Let me guess: You have to be at the gym in 26 minutes, right? Well, because you're sitting through that green light because you're babbling into your cellphone instead of paying attention to the road, you'll be late.
 
2011-12-14 01:31:38 PM  
As a cyclist, I support this whole-heartedly. If you really need to be on the phone, then don't drive. If you really need to drive, get off the phone. Your freedom to be a self-important prick ends where others' freedoms begin. Sorry, psycho.

75% of the time a driver almost hits me on my bike, it is because they are distracted. I see their Bluetooth or actual cell phone held to the ear. Luckily, I am very aware that most motorists are idiots, and I avoid distraction to allow myself to watch out for them. The sad thing is it is illegal to talk on a cell phone while driving in Oregon, and the cops do absolutely nothing about it. If you're complaining about budget shortfalls, then enforce the damn laws.
 
2011-12-14 01:42:01 PM  

canyoneer: Spaced Cowboy: I'd love to see some of you folks put on a headset and compete in a FPS tourney with squad comms piping into your ear while playing a game where skill is defined exclusively by awareness and reaction time. This thread conjurs images of a bunch of feeble, drooling fools that can barely remain in their chairs due to the combined audio and visual inputs completely frying their tiny little brains.

Let me guess: You have to be at the gym in 26 minutes, right? Well, because you're sitting through that green light because you're babbling into your cellphone instead of paying attention to the road, you'll be late.


I simply do not suffer fools gladly and you've decided to act like one in this thread with your foolish claims about people you've never met.

Lets see your proof of my poor driving. You claim to know so much about me, i'd love to hear your basis for such claims. All I have as proof is 20 years of accident free driving, safe driver bonus' on my insurance, an advanced motorcycle safety designation for course work above and beyond Ohio required courses for motorcycles training, etc etc.

Surely you have some damning proof about me of which i'm not aware to support your biatchy little claims.

Or you're just a whiny prick who can't accept that a small percentage of the population is fully capable of competently performing multiple tasks at once.

I'm gonna go with the latter.
 
2011-12-14 02:13:26 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Or you're just a whiny prick who can't accept that a small percentage of the population is fully capable of competently performing multiple tasks at once.


•Motorists who talked on either handheld or hands-free cell phones drove slightly slower, were 9 percent slower to hit the brakes, displayed 24 percent more variation in following distance as their attention switched between driving and conversing, were 19 percent slower to resume normal speed after braking and were more likely to crash. Three study participants rear-ended the pace car. All were talking on cell phones. None were drunk.

•Drivers drunk at the 0.08 percent blood-alcohol level drove a bit more slowly than both undistracted drivers and drivers using cell phones, yet more aggressively. They followed the pace car more closely, were twice as likely to brake only four seconds before a collision would have occurred, and hit their brakes with 23 percent more force. "Neither accident rates, nor reaction times to vehicles braking in front of the participant, nor recovery of lost speed following braking differed significantly" from undistracted drivers, the researchers write.

•A 2001 study showing that hands-free cell phones are just as distracting as handheld cell phones.

•A 2003 study showing that the reason is "inattention blindness," in which motorists look directly at road conditions but don't really see them because they are distracted by a cell phone conversation. And such drivers aren't aware they are impaired.

•A 2005 study suggesting that when teenagers and young adults talk on cell phones while driving, their reaction times are as slow as those of elderly drivers.
(new window)

But you're different? OK. Whatever you say, buddy. Just keep your insurance up to date.
 
2011-12-14 02:18:55 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Smelly Pirate Hooker: RE Spaced Cowboy: "For I am the pinnacle of all human experience and ability and not merely an internet whiner with massive insecurities that I must project on those that do things better than me."

No, you're just one of the assholes who won't hang up. I'm sure you have a really super-important reason why.

My super important reason is that I don't need to and it is nothing that you need to concern yourself with. Worry about yourself and stop whining like a farking biatch at what you imagine to be flaws in my driving ability. My 20 year driving record speaks for itself. Sorry if my being better than you at something makes you whine like this, but that's life kiddo. Someone will always be better than you and do things you can't. Suck it up, princess.


THIS THIS THIS.
 
2011-12-14 02:21:13 PM  

canyoneer: Spaced Cowboy: Or you're just a whiny prick who can't accept that a small percentage of the population is fully capable of competently performing multiple tasks at once.

•Motorists who talked on either handheld or hands-free cell phones drove slightly slower, were 9 percent slower to hit the brakes, displayed 24 percent more variation in following distance as their attention switched between driving and conversing, were 19 percent slower to resume normal speed after braking and were more likely to crash. Three study participants rear-ended the pace car. All were talking on cell phones. None were drunk.

•Drivers drunk at the 0.08 percent blood-alcohol level drove a bit more slowly than both undistracted drivers and drivers using cell phones, yet more aggressively. They followed the pace car more closely, were twice as likely to brake only four seconds before a collision would have occurred, and hit their brakes with 23 percent more force. "Neither accident rates, nor reaction times to vehicles braking in front of the participant, nor recovery of lost speed following braking differed significantly" from undistracted drivers, the researchers write.

•A 2001 study showing that hands-free cell phones are just as distracting as handheld cell phones.

•A 2003 study showing that the reason is "inattention blindness," in which motorists look directly at road conditions but don't really see them because they are distracted by a cell phone conversation. And such drivers aren't aware they are impaired.

•A 2005 study suggesting that when teenagers and young adults talk on cell phones while driving, their reaction times are as slow as those of elderly drivers. (new window)

But you're different? OK. Whatever you say, buddy. Just keep your insurance up to date.


Thing with those studies that I've never found a good answer to, what kind of conversation is going on when doing these tests? If it's asking the participant to do math over the phone (see Mythbusters) or something else unusual that requires the same part of the brain as spatial reasoning it partially invalidates the results unless their test subjects are consistently talking about math on the phone in their normal lives. See also confirmation bias.

/only talks on the phone when driving if necessary
//twitches every time my easily distracted wife does it with the babby on board
///statistics are like confessions gained via torture, inherently suspect. Numbers will say what you want if you torture them enough.
 
2011-12-14 02:45:43 PM  

canyoneer: Spaced Cowboy: Or you're just a whiny prick who can't accept that a small percentage of the population is fully capable of competently performing multiple tasks at once.

•Motorists who talked on either handheld or hands-free cell phones drove slightly slower, were 9 percent slower to hit the brakes, displayed 24 percent more variation in following distance as their attention switched between driving and conversing, were 19 percent slower to resume normal speed after braking and were more likely to crash. Three study participants rear-ended the pace car. All were talking on cell phones. None were drunk.

•Drivers drunk at the 0.08 percent blood-alcohol level drove a bit more slowly than both undistracted drivers and drivers using cell phones, yet more aggressively. They followed the pace car more closely, were twice as likely to brake only four seconds before a collision would have occurred, and hit their brakes with 23 percent more force. "Neither accident rates, nor reaction times to vehicles braking in front of the participant, nor recovery of lost speed following braking differed significantly" from undistracted drivers, the researchers write.

•A 2001 study showing that hands-free cell phones are just as distracting as handheld cell phones.

•A 2003 study showing that the reason is "inattention blindness," in which motorists look directly at road conditions but don't really see them because they are distracted by a cell phone conversation. And such drivers aren't aware they are impaired.

•A 2005 study suggesting that when teenagers and young adults talk on cell phones while driving, their reaction times are as slow as those of elderly drivers. (new window)

But you're different? OK. Whatever you say, buddy. Just keep your insurance up to date.


Wow, vague studies that likely have opposing studies with contradicting results.

If the average retard can't catch a green light while speaking on a phone, then yes, I am apparently quite different. I'm very sorry that this upsets you so completely, but you really need to get over your insecurities and let it go.

Fighter pilots process much more information in three dimensions at much higher speeds. I don't claim that their skills are completely unpossible simply because I can not perform at the same level as them. I accept that they have an ability I do not possess and move on with my life. You should try it.
 
2011-12-14 02:47:41 PM  

osafer: I don't think carrying illegal things in your pocket is a constitutional protected right


The point that you're missing is that a NYPD cop asking "What has it got in it's pocketses, precious?" violates department policy, not to mention the intent of the Fourth Amendment.
 
2011-12-14 02:49:04 PM  
It seems odd to me that it's not obvious to everyone that this is a control measure, not a safety issue.

Why would they call for a complete ban of cell phone use, when most people use hands-free devices such as earpieces or speakerphones for all non-text communication? Why would they blow such a relatively small issue this far out of proportion?

Probably the primary reason for this is an attempt to shut down those convenient little cameras, recorders, and reporters (phone-users) riding around in every car. Police states hate free-flowing information. They want only the channels they control to flow.
 
2011-12-14 03:54:53 PM  
dittybopper

"Actually, it might be less: Generally a CB or ham radio conversation isn't full duplex: In a two-way conversation, only one person can talk at a time. You can't interrupt someone, you just have to wait until they are done talking. Essentially, it's a series of monologues."

I used to have one in my car many years ago. And it is more distracting than a hands-free phone. Finding the channel, listening through the static & other traffic, not to mention holding the mic with the cord tethering it to the radio...
 
2011-12-14 03:59:52 PM  
UnityNow

"Probably the primary reason for this is an attempt to shut down those convenient little cameras, recorders, and reporters (phone-users) riding around in every car. Police states hate free-flowing information. They want only the channels they control to flow."

Hadn't thought of that. It might sound a bit tin-foil hatty, but you might have a point.
 
2011-12-14 04:18:49 PM  
RE UnityNow
"It seems odd to me that it's not obvious to everyone that this is a control measure, not a safety issue."


Christ...

1) It's a recommendation, not a law.
2) It's a recommendation by an ineffectual government agency
3) It doesn't say you can't have a cell phone in the car at all, it says you shouldn't text/talk and drive at the same time, which is an unusually sensible recommendation coming from a government agency
4) Except it shouldn't apply to Spaced Cowboy, whose superior skills and reflexes put him at such a high level of situational awareness that his use of a phone while driving has never, I repeat, NEVER compromised his flawless operation of a motor vehicle. We can believe him because people never lie or exaggerate on the Internet.
 
2011-12-14 04:37:13 PM  

GibbyTheMole: If you ban all cellphone use, the next logical step is to ban conversation with passengers. And good luck with that.


Ban cell phones to start. Absolutely. Next, the logical step isn't to ban conversation with passengers, but to improve driver training. Seems good to me.
 
2011-12-14 04:37:19 PM  
Wow, the collective butthurt from the mere mention of someone else being skilled at something is breathtaking. What a bunch of insecure little babies we have around here.

In honor of your epic hurr durr in this thread, I will be spending my entire commute home on the phone tonight. I predict the world will end when I pull my unwrecked car into the garage tonight after what, to folks like you, must look like dividing by zero on the highway.
 
2011-12-14 04:43:41 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Wow, the collective butthurt from the mere mention of someone else being skilled at something is breathtaking. What a bunch of insecure little babies we have around here.

In honor of your epic hurr durr in this thread, I will be spending my entire commute home on the phone tonight. I predict the world will end when I pull my unwrecked car into the garage tonight after what, to folks like you, must look like dividing by zero on the highway.


Even if -- and I'm not saying this is the case, but even if it is -- even if there are some people who can safely talk on the phone while maneuvering a multi-ton vehicle, that doesn't mean it's okay for everyone and there should be carte blanche. Presumably there's a portion of the population that's perfectly capable of driving safely while, say, high on crank. Does this mean it should be okay to smoke up before getting behind the wheel?
Okay, you want something legal?
It's legal for me to masturbate. It's legal for me to drive. Regardless of my skill at both, it would perhaps be inadvisable to do both things at once, no?

If 5% of the union of the sets | can talk on cell phones | and | can drive| can do both safely, that means there's 95% who can't. I posit that the folly of the 95% outweighs the smarmy better-than-you attitude of the 5%.
 
2011-12-14 04:52:11 PM  
So where do we draw the line on prohibiting otherwise legal activity merely because it scares you? Smoking, eating, loud music, biting your nails, children in the car, passengers to comverse with, changing CD's, CB radios, having the wind blowing through your hair with the top down?

Or we can stop being reactionary farktards who feel the need to legislate every facet of someone else's life and realize there is a law on the books that already covers all forms of distracted driving and leave the issue alone.

If you can not focus on the road and talk on the phone, don't do it. Problem farking solved. Leave me and mine out of your weird little authoritarian wet dream.
 
2011-12-14 05:48:46 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: So where do we draw the line on prohibiting otherwise legal activity merely because it scares you?


Easy: At the point where it becomes a clear, pressing, and immediate danger to my own well-being.

Or we can stop being reactionary farktards who feel the need to legislate every facet of someone else's life and realize there is a law on the books that already covers all forms of distracted driving and leave the issue alone.

Or we can be adults and realize that we do need legislation because existing legislation doesn't cover everything, and there is a very salient problem that needs to be addressed.

If you can not focus on the road and talk on the phone, don't do it. Problem farking solved. Leave me and mine out of your weird little authoritarian wet dream.

Yes, because "if you have a problem with doing A, don't do A" works so well. I guess that's why we don't have issues with drunk drivers. You're probably right there. That's also why we don't need things like public pool safety regulations -- if your kid is stupid enough to fall into an unfenced pool, well, that sucks, huh?
 
2011-12-14 05:59:00 PM  
There are already distracted driver laws which fully cover distracted driving. I'm sure this new, overbearing and mostly redunant law will totally fix the problem this time though, right?

How about we work on teaching personal responsibility instead of hamfistedly trying to legislate it wh en we hace numerous examples that laws like this are utterly ineffectual. Making it super double plus illegal and tacking on every possible use of an electronic device as also illegal is farking retarded and everyone advocating the passing of such a bill is equally farking retarded. There is nothing more to it than that, really.
 
2011-12-14 06:19:26 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: I will be spending my entire commute home on the phone tonight.


I bet you drive a black BMW.

At least in DC, the rudest, most self-entitled, egocentric, aggressive, asshole drivers can be found behind the wheel of a black BMW. They're usually glued to the bumper of the person in front of them, flashing their lights.
 
2011-12-14 06:27:17 PM  
How about a novel idea.

if someone causes an accident while doing something stupid, we HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE with more than just a slap on the hand.

i know, i know, that's too far out of the box for most.
 
2011-12-14 06:37:54 PM  

clyph: Spaced Cowboy: I will be spending my entire commute home on the phone tonight.

I bet you drive a black BMW.

At least in DC, the rudest, most self-entitled, egocentric, aggressive, asshole drivers can be found behind the wheel of a black BMW. They're usually glued to the bumper of the person in front of them, flashing their lights.


Nah, I don't exhibit any of the nonsene stereotypes veing tossed out in this thread. I just take exception to people meddling with my life via unneccesary legislation. Especially when we already have laws in place to handle the problem. This isn't the UK and I don't need a nanny for a government.

I ride a motorcycle way too often to drive like a fool. If I did even 1/10 of what I've been accused of in this thread, I would be long dead. Defensive driving with an eye on potential hazards and room for escape routes is the only way to ride in a big city like this if you value your life. It just so happens I can drive with those same principles intact while on the phone in my car. Apparently that simple declaration is enough to send some folks into a psychotic strawman smashing rage. It's rather hilarious reading all of these goofy scenarios you folks have concocted about how you think I drive. It's like i'm trolling a whole thread by stating a very simple truth. It's great. :p
 
2011-12-14 06:47:41 PM  
Oh and I typed that last post from the comfort of my garage. My mother and brother that I spoke to on the ride home say hi. You should all call your loved ones too. By doing the impossible and safely driving home while on the phone, I have begun singing the song that will end the world. Sorry about that.
 
2011-12-14 07:43:38 PM  
Spaced Cowboy:

I favorited you because you're no awesome.

Btw, I'm about to leave work and I'll be texting my ass off the entire way down I-95. And guess what? I'll still be here to argue with liberal sissies tomorrow.
 
2011-12-14 07:44:42 PM  
Er, I meant, "because you're SO awesome" ;p
 
2011-12-14 08:24:25 PM  

GibbyTheMole: dittybopper

"Actually, it might be less: Generally a CB or ham radio conversation isn't full duplex: In a two-way conversation, only one person can talk at a time. You can't interrupt someone, you just have to wait until they are done talking. Essentially, it's a series of monologues."

I used to have one in my car many years ago. And it is more distracting than a hands-free phone. Finding the channel, listening through the static & other traffic, not to mention holding the mic with the cord tethering it to the radio...


Meh. I use one every day. In fact, I do *MORSE* while mobile on occasion. Certainly, every day I use my 2 meter FM radio to chat with my buddies during the commute, and to check into the commuter net if there is a problem, etc. It's never been a significant distraction, because pretty much everything can be controlled from the mic.
 
2011-12-14 08:26:49 PM  
I should also point out that a conversation with another ham miles away is generally less distracting then having my XYL chatting away next to me, and my first harmonic in the back seat singing "Jingle bells, Batman smells...."
 
2011-12-15 03:13:39 AM  

canyoneer: Oh, this must be one of those threads in which the assholes who slow down and speed up for no reason and weave across lanes and sit motionless at green lights and generally impede traffic and drive dangerously because they can't bear to put their f*cking phone down boast about how great they can drive while they babble away about nothing on their cell phones. Right?

Here's a newsflash for all such people: You drive like sh*t when you're talking on your cellphones. You're a menace and you should hang up and drive, or pull off the road if you absolutely must blabber on your cellphone. If you think you can drive well while talking on your cellphone, you are wrong. You do not and can not.


You read like shiat when you're all angry. There was maybe one idiot here defending texting while driving. The outrage is over banning HANDS-FREE devices. Hands-free, eyes-free. Would you be ok if I banned you from listening to music in your car? Does that make you a "menace"?
 
2011-12-15 03:16:05 AM  

TwistedIvory: Spaced Cowboy: So where do we draw the line on prohibiting otherwise legal activity merely because it scares you?

Easy: At the point where it becomes a clear, pressing, and immediate danger to my own well-being.

Or we can stop being reactionary farktards who feel the need to legislate every facet of someone else's life and realize there is a law on the books that already covers all forms of distracted driving and leave the issue alone.

Or we can be adults and realize that we do need legislation because existing legislation doesn't cover everything, and there is a very salient problem that needs to be addressed.

If you can not focus on the road and talk on the phone, don't do it. Problem farking solved. Leave me and mine out of your weird little authoritarian wet dream.

Yes, because "if you have a problem with doing A, don't do A" works so well. I guess that's why we don't have issues with drunk drivers. You're probably right there. That's also why we don't need things like public pool safety regulations -- if your kid is stupid enough to fall into an unfenced pool, well, that sucks, huh?


That's easy then: hands-free devices do not pose a danger to you. You can cease caring.
 
2011-12-15 10:42:17 AM  

Novart: That's easy then: hands-free devices do not pose a danger to you. You can cease caring.


False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_and_driving_safety#Handsf re e_device
 
2011-12-15 11:57:54 AM  
Oh shiat son, he's throwing down the wikipedia gauntlet. There's no winning this fight now. They have wikipedia and studies on their side.

upload.wikimedia.org
"Hai guise, stop talking in my ear, i'm gunna wreck mah plane, lol."
 
2011-12-15 07:58:59 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Oh shiat son, he's throwing down the wikipedia gauntlet. There's no winning this fight now. They have wikipedia and studies on their side.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]
"Hai guise, stop talking in my ear, i'm gunna wreck mah plane, lol."


If having fighter pilot reflexes is a requirement to drive safely while on the phone, you may want to reconsider whether you still want that legal.
 
2011-12-15 08:29:14 PM  

PullItOut: Spaced Cowboy: Oh shiat son, he's throwing down the wikipedia gauntlet. There's no winning this fight now. They have wikipedia and studies on their side.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]
"Hai guise, stop talking in my ear, i'm gunna wreck mah plane, lol."

If having fighter pilot reflexes is a requirement to drive safely while on the phone, you may want to reconsider whether you still want that legal.


I merely use it as proof that people do exist that can handle these sorts of stimuli without turning into drooling farking retards. My argument all along has been that if you cant handle your vehicle and a phone at the same time, don't do it. I handle mine just fine and don't need you, or the government telling me I'm incapable of holding a conversation and driving because I have years of proof that I'm not only capable, but quite good at it.

Hands free mobile phone calls from the car are one of the least distracting things you can do if you ask me. Many of hte other activities we've been citing require taking eyes and focus off the road. A hands free call does neither. I'm a worse driver trying to eat a road lunch than I am on a phone call, but no one is screaming that McDonalds should be illegal.

Another great example: I rarely text at all. The one time I actually do fire off a few texts is when I'm doing the stairs at work. I go up and down 8 flights of stairs for a bit of exercise after lunch. I can hit every step in stride without tripping up while not looking at anything but my cell phone screen and typing with my fat little thumbs. This shiat isn't hard for some people. We don't need super specific laws passed for every activity that your average 85 IQ American Idiot has trouble with. There's not enough manpower in the world to document all the shiat this culture can't do right.

What this "epidemic" really requires is education and responsibility, not a farking cop banging on my window trying to extort money out of me to pay for his new BMW cruiser because he thinks he saw my mouth move while driving 75 down the highway at night. My mother can't see well at night. You know what she does, she doesn't drive at night. She's not banging on my congressman's door asking that we make driving at night illegal. Then again, my mother isn't a farking idiot like most of the posters in this thread.
 
2011-12-15 10:57:40 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Oh shiat son, he's throwing down the wikipedia gauntlet. There's no winning this fight now. They have wikipedia and studies on their side.


In other words: The other guy provides science and sources and I'm unable to provide either, so let's just go ad hominem. Right. Got it.

Spaced Cowboy: I merely use it as proof that people do exist that can handle these sorts of stimuli without turning into drooling farking retards. . .I handle mine just fine and don't need you, or the government telling me I'm incapable of holding a conversation and driving because I have years of proof that I'm not only capable, but quite good at it.


They do exist. These people are also in the minority. Legislation is for the majority. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a well-qualified motorcyclist with track time and a racing license under my belt. Just because I have proven that I'm capable of handling a vehicle at 180mph doesn't mean I get to do this on a public road.

I, for one, doubt that you are "quite good" at what you claim and I believe we do need legislative intervention to reduce the impacts of a bad and burgeoning problem. Do you really want to make the argument that because you believe that you are capable of doing something, that everyone else is capable of this and it shouldn't be governed or overseen?

Spaced Cowboy: My argument all along has been that if you cant handle your vehicle and a phone at the same time, don't do it.


You either know perfectly well that people are not good judges of their own abilities. Well, either you know this and you're trolling or you're ignoring reality. I understand that you want to prove a point, but citing weak anecdotes based on your own self-justification is not exactly universalizable.

Spaced Cowboy: Hands free mobile phone calls from the car are one of the least distracting things you can do if you ask me.


I didn't, and repeated independent, large-scale studies contradict your opinions with facts. I've cited some. Have you?

Spaced Cowboy: I'm a worse driver trying to eat a road lunch than I am on a phone call, but no one is screaming that McDonalds should be illegal.


PUT DOWN YOUR F*CKING HAMBURGER AND DRIVE.

Spaced Cowboy: Many of hte other activities we've been citing require taking eyes and focus off the road. A hands free call does neither.


If you'd bothered to read any of the sources, you'd note that eyes-off-the-road only accounts for a fraction of the total problem. Have you really never seen a driver with a phone to his ear, driving with that glazed-over look and weaving all over the place? Hell, I saw it just today. Dude damn near ran me off the road. He had his eyes up, but as they say, though the lights were on there was nobody home. The act of driving was far secondary to that damn cell phone.

Spaced Cowboy: What this "epidemic" really requires is education and responsibility,


Yes. It's a good thing that we can trust every American to act in not only their own self-interest, but also in the interest of the public. This is why we don't need laws about taxation or littering or public urination or firearms, right?

Spaced Cowboy: not a farking cop banging on my window trying to extort money out of me to pay for his new BMW cruiser because he thinks he saw my mouth move while driving 75 down the highway at night.


That is the very definition of the straw man fallacy.

Spaced Cowboy: My mother can't see well at night. You know what she does, she doesn't drive at night. She's not banging on my congressman's door asking that we make driving at night illegal.


She recognizes her shortcomings. Most people on phones, I'd posit, do not.
Furthermore, it IS illegal to drive while vision-impaired.
So what's your point, again?
 
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