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2011-12-13 12:31:17 PM
"I have a very difficult time believing that we have come to a point ... that we are teaching evolution ... as a factual occurrence, while totally omitting the creation story by a God who is bigger than all of us."

You'll get over it.
 
2011-12-13 12:49:30 PM
creationism is biology now? if anything, shouldn't it be theology?
 
2011-12-13 01:04:30 PM
Ahhh... Mythology. There's really no place for your fables in a science class, man. If you can't tell the difference, you shouldn't be educating anyone --even in Kentucky.
 
2011-12-13 01:08:50 PM
They don't teach alchemy in math class either.
 
2011-12-13 01:12:28 PM
If creationism belonged ANYWHERE - which it doesn't - it would be in HISTORY you dumb farking hicks.

And while I'm at it, why is it that creationists also tend to believe in eugenics?
 
2011-12-13 01:13:27 PM
"I have a very difficult time believing that we have come to a point ... that we are teaching evolution ... as a factual occurrence, while totally omitting the creation story by a God who is bigger than all of us," he wrote, according to the newspaper.

Then I guess it's a good thing you're the Superintendent, not a student. Or you'd be flunking out.
 
2011-12-13 01:17:18 PM
vygramul: If creationism belonged ANYWHERE - which it doesn't - it would be in HISTORY you dumb farking hicks.

And while I'm at it, why is it that creationists also tend to believe in eugenics?


Noooooo. There are actual documented events to discuss there.

You're thinking of "Theology" or "Comparative religions". Don't forget, though, that if you don't spend at least 70% of a CR class talking about Jesus, and the berate other religions for the REST of the class because they're not as cool as Jesus, you're violating the religious freedom of everyone in the class.
 
2011-12-13 01:19:48 PM
What's wrong with Kentucky teaching Cretinism?
 
2011-12-13 01:21:10 PM
Teach it in Bible school, idiot.
 
2011-12-13 01:21:47 PM
Or, teach it but only use the term Allah.

See what happens.
 
2011-12-13 01:22:11 PM
"I have a very difficult time believing that we have come to a point ... that we are teaching evolution ... as a factual occurrence, while totally omitting the creation story by a God who is bigger than all of us."

A point where the human race actually investigates the world we live in rather than taking an old book's word on it? Yeah, what a shame that is.

I love how all these idiots are quite happy using all the wonders the scientific revolution has brought us, until it disagrees with something written in their book of mythology.

I have a very difficult time believing that we have come to a point, in 2011, where people still believe the Bible deals with factual stories.
 
2011-12-13 01:23:13 PM
In Hart County, about an hour and 20 minutes south of Louisville, the local school superintendent is now expressing his frustration that a new state biology test is, in his opinion, treating evolution as a fact, rather than a theory.

He also charges that the test is omitting the "creation story" that cites God as the originator of the universe.


Then the superintendent is a horrible excuse for an educator and should be fired. Idiot.
 
2011-12-13 01:26:13 PM
Terry Holliday, the state education commissioner, said the state biology test would deal with evolution as theory, not fact. Warren noted that teachers in Kentucky may discuss theories of creation other than evolution, but are not required to do so.

So the state education commissioner also does not know what a scientific theory is.

The superintendent remained defiantly skeptical in the face of scientific consensus, noting that it was "interesting that the great majority of scientists felt Pluto was a planet until a short time ago, and now they have totally changed that."

Because that's such a great comparison to evolution. What a farking moron. This dipshiat is a superintendent? Seriously? How embarrassing for Kentucky.
 
2011-12-13 01:30:48 PM
Blues_X: See what happens.

Ample opportunities to see the inner workings of the human skull, I'm assuming.
 
2011-12-13 01:30:50 PM
galtroarc.com
 
2011-12-13 01:35:35 PM
Snarfangel: What's wrong with Kentucky teaching Cretinism?

They have sufficient iodine in their diets?
 
2011-12-13 01:41:18 PM
FTFA: The superintendent remained defiantly skeptical in the face of scientific consensus, noting that it was "interesting that the great majority of scientists felt Pluto was a planet until a short time ago, and now they have totally changed that."

Of all the stupid things in TFA, this one strikes me as the funniest.

The IAU just adopted a definition of planet that happens to relegate Pluto to "dwarf" status. They didn't learn that Pluto wasn't really there or was made of shaving cream or something.
 
2011-12-13 01:43:13 PM
As someone who was just in a class Creationism/Evolution debate, I wish this guy weren't serious...

/Team Evolution
//won the debate
///other side also believed in Evolution, but was assigned to defend Creationism
 
2011-12-13 01:48:58 PM
troll.me
 
2011-12-13 01:48:59 PM
eraser8: Of all the stupid things in TFA, this one strikes me as the funniest.

The IAU just adopted a definition of planet that happens to relegate Pluto to "dwarf" status. They didn't learn that Pluto wasn't really there or was made of shaving cream or something.


That amused me as well. They didn't change any theories about Pluto. They changed its classification to better describe its characteristics. "A rose by any other name..." and all that.

It just goes to further highlight how little this man understands science.
 
2011-12-13 02:00:21 PM
While 99.9% of scientists accept evolution

Is that from a scientific poll, or is that just some made up number?
 
2011-12-13 02:10:26 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-13 02:19:02 PM
SkinnyHead: While 99.9% of scientists accept evolution

Is that from a scientific poll, or is that just some made up number?


That passage of the article is taken verbatim from here.

Also,

"The Discovery Institute announced that over 700 scientists had expressed support for intelligent design as of February 8, 2007.* This prompted the National Center for Science Education to produce a "light-hearted" petition called "Project Steve" in support of evolution. Only scientists named "Steve" or some variation (such as Stephen, Stephanie, and Stefan) are eligible to sign the petition. It is intended to be a "tongue-in-cheek parody" of the lists of alleged "scientists" supposedly supporting creationist principles that creationist organizations produce. The petition demonstrates that there are more scientists who accept evolution with a name like "Steve" alone (over 1100) than there are in total who support intelligent design. This is, again, why the percentage of scientists who support evolution has been estimated by Brian Alters to be about 99.9 percent. The organization "Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity" maintains a list of medical doctors and similar professionals who disagree that evolution can account for the diversity of life on earth. As of May 22, 2007, there were 224 Americans and 28 others from other countries that had signed a statement disputing "Darwinism"."

*That list is a crock of shiat by the way
 
2011-12-13 02:32:06 PM
i23.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-13 02:58:26 PM
kingoomieiii: The petition demonstrates that there are more scientists who accept evolution with a name like "Steve" alone (over 1100) than there are in total who support intelligent design. This is, again, why the percentage of scientists who support evolution has been estimated by Brian Alters to be about 99.9 percent.

So in other words, the claim that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution is not from a scientific poll. Instead, it's an estimate based on the fact that 1100 scientists named "Steve" accept evolutionism. It's a joke. And then the LA Times goes and reports it as fact.
 
2011-12-13 03:01:12 PM
This is exciting shiat and we've never talked about it before.
 
2011-12-13 03:01:23 PM
SkinnyHead: So in other words, the claim that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution is not from a scientific poll. Instead, it's an estimate based on the fact that 1100 scientists named "Steve" accept evolutionism. It's a joke. And then the LA Times goes and reports it as fact.

Why do you do this? What do you get out of it?

/serious
 
2011-12-13 03:01:38 PM
It's Kentucky, fark it.
 
2011-12-13 03:02:22 PM
"I have a very difficult time believing that we have come to a point ... that we are teaching evolution ... as a factual occurrence,

But yet you have no problem believing all the religious stuff that people a couple thousands of years ago created out of thin air?

Wow, just wow, the state of education in certain parts of the country is just appalling.
 
2011-12-13 03:02:37 PM
Quick preview of the thread

Poster A: Of course it does, because it's not science

Poster B: Yes it is because some Behe et. al. said it is.

Poster C, D, & E: No, it isn't DNA, bacterial flagellum, etc.

Poster F: *QUOTEMINED*

Rest of posters: funny pics, this is stupid, blah blah blah.

//I still enjoy these threads.
 
2011-12-13 03:04:04 PM
"interesting that the great majority of scientists felt Pluto was a planet until a short time ago, and now they have totally changed that."

A more accurate analogy would be "the great majority of scientists felt Pluto was a planet until a short time ago, so why don't we teach that the earth is the center of the universe and the stars are holes in to heaven to comfort us after the sun god is chased away by the moon demon?"

/don't worry, as long as we keep faith the sun god will come back some time around dawn.
 
2011-12-13 03:04:30 PM
Ok here is a question for them to add to the test

1) What method did God use to create life?
A) Magic
B) Evolution
C) Elves
D) All of the Above
 
2011-12-13 03:05:48 PM
These ideologues just don't know when to quit...

It doesn't belong in science class, you jackass! Teach "creationism" in church or a comparative religion class all you farking want, but your religious dogma has no place in a science class.

"Intelligent Design" is not a scientific theory. It's a bullshiat marketing term you clowns invented after getting your asses handed to you in court over this nonsense.
 
2011-12-13 03:05:48 PM
Mugato: SkinnyHead: So in other words, the claim that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution is not from a scientific poll. Instead, it's an estimate based on the fact that 1100 scientists named "Steve" accept evolutionism. It's a joke. And then the LA Times goes and reports it as fact.

Why do you do this? What do you get out of it?


A handjob from Ray Comfort.
 
2011-12-13 03:06:10 PM
Mugato: SkinnyHead: So in other words, the claim that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution is not from a scientific poll. Instead, it's an estimate based on the fact that 1100 scientists named "Steve" accept evolutionism. It's a joke. And then the LA Times goes and reports it as fact.

Why do you do this? What do you get out of it?

/serious


Because out of all the farkers in this thread, almost all believe in SkinnyHead. I'd say about 99.9% do. Only .1% believe in elchip.
 
2011-12-13 03:06:12 PM
My heart goes out to this guy. When I was in highschool I complained for months that our biology textbooks did not adequately address the evolution of unicorns, our chemistry textbooks did not address magical potions, and shop class did not teach us what to do when our car breaks down due to gremlin activity. It took almost a year, but with enough lawyers, I was finally able to correct this injustice.

/u c wut i did thar?
/am I being too subtle?
 
2011-12-13 03:06:40 PM
SkinnyHead: kingoomieiii: The petition demonstrates that there are more scientists who accept evolution with a name like "Steve" alone (over 1100) than there are in total who support intelligent design. This is, again, why the percentage of scientists who support evolution has been estimated by Brian Alters to be about 99.9 percent.

So in other words, the claim that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution is not from a scientific poll. Instead, it's an estimate based on the fact that 1100 scientists named "Steve" accept evolutionism. It's a joke. And then the LA Times goes and reports it as fact.


I could have sworn I had you on ignore. Thanks for providing me to opportunity to correct my oversight, you farking douchebag.
 
2011-12-13 03:07:51 PM
Poke_it_with_a_stick: Ok here is a question for them to add to the test

1) What method did God use to create life?
A) Magic
B) Evolution
C) Elves
D) All of the AboveSteve Jobs
 
2011-12-13 03:07:56 PM
Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District proved that "Intelligent Design" is a crock of shiat.
 
2011-12-13 03:09:18 PM
Poke_it_with_a_stick: Ok here is a question for them to add to the test

1) What method did God use to create life?
A) Magic
B) Evolution
C) Elves
D) All of the Above


Seconded. It's baffling that this is such an unreconcilable concept. If god created life, then god created evolution as a natural process to manage it. If god doesn't exist, then evolution simply came naturally. It just boils down that that 6000 year figure being totally wrong. Even that wouldn't negate god, since it's never been said humans are expected to be perfect.
 
2011-12-13 03:09:58 PM
Sure it's not right, but come on. None of these kids being taught creationism were going to cure cancer some day anyway.
 
2011-12-13 03:10:20 PM
While 99.9% of scientists accept evolution, 40% to 50% of college students do not accept evolution and believe it to be 'just' a theory."

Wow...
 
2011-12-13 03:10:53 PM
Impasse: Poke_it_with_a_stick: Ok here is a question for them to add to the test

1) What method did God use to create life?
A) Magic
B) Evolution
C) Elves
D) All of the AboveSteve Jobs


Good answer, but I like the idea of Magical Evolving Elves
 
2011-12-13 03:11:47 PM
Evolution is a theory. Doesn't it make sense to teak all of the dominate theories? Also, evolution is the only theory that has failed to evolve. It is so arguably wrong now it is laughable what is taught.
 
2011-12-13 03:11:53 PM
If you don't want to deal with this shiat, don't live in Kentucky. They can teach their children whatever the hell they want, as far as I am concerned, as long as it includes distilling and baseball bat manufacturing.
 
2011-12-13 03:12:03 PM
Evolution is a theory, why can't people comprehend the difference between theory and hypothesis.

theory = an explanation for observed phenomena
hypothesis = an untested conjecture
 
2011-12-13 03:12:04 PM
vygramul: If creationism belonged ANYWHERE - which it doesn't - it would be in HISTORY you dumb farking hicks.

And while I'm at it, why is it that creationists also tend to believe in eugenics?


Not history, literature. Same place we study Greek, Roman, Mesopotamian, etc mythologies. Christian and Jewish mythology used to be taught in history as a sort of "best guess" (slaves built the pyramids, Jewish tribes warring against each other, Rome ever really giving a fark about the middle east) until actual history covered the eras in question and showed the bible to be 100% fabricated, but now that that's established it belongs in western lit.

So it's not without value, it just has the same kind of value as stories about Zeus turning into a swan and farking a shepherdess to conceive superman -- literary value, not factual value.

glassbottomboatcaptain: and shop class did not teach us what to do when our car breaks down due to gremlin activity.

Mine did.

//curses loudly
//kicks side of vehicle
 
2011-12-13 03:12:06 PM
The superintendent's name is "Ricky D. Line." Awesome!
I'm picturing a movie where he plays a one-man-wrecking-crew, kinda like in "Falling Down", in which he shoots up the heathens in the school system. His catch phrase, "In education there's a Line.... and you've just crossed it."
 
2011-12-13 03:13:26 PM
keylock71: While 99.9% of scientists accept evolution, 40% to 50% of college students do not accept evolution and believe it to be 'just' a theory."

Wow...


Half of all college students? I just don't buy that.
 
2011-12-13 03:13:28 PM
Jake Havechek: Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District proved that "Intelligent Design" is a crock of shiat.

It also proved that the proponents of "Intelligent Design" are bunch of dishonest ideologues, who will gladly employ shady tactics to get "Creationism" back into science classes.
 
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