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(Discover) Interesting Results from CERN got you all Higgsed up? Here's an explanation that will hand your mass to you   (blogs.discovermagazine.com) divider line 49
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2011-12-13 01:39:20 PM
So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.
 
2011-12-13 02:05:50 PM
Oh please, substers... go all the way and make a headline about "Gettin Higgy wid it"
 
2011-12-13 02:14:31 PM
I have my crowbar ready.
 
2011-12-13 02:20:33 PM
And my axe.
 
2011-12-13 02:24:35 PM
I already submitted this article tomorrow with a better headline.
 
2011-12-13 02:29:22 PM
BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.


5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.
 
2011-12-13 02:31:54 PM
BKITU: Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

No, NO. see, this is why we can't have nice things. You've already jumped out and decided that we need to go out there and dynamicize all dominant paradigms into new synergistic sets of deliverables without even considering if it might be better to go in there and staticize all recessive abstractions into old distictive isolated consumables. What's your burning platform, BKITU?
 
2011-12-13 02:36:24 PM
TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.


Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.
 
2011-12-13 02:59:23 PM
CERN still transforms into a giant robot to defend the erf, right?
 
2011-12-13 03:04:19 PM
Nurglitch: CERN still transforms into a giant robot to defend the erf, right?

4.bp.blogspot.com

Or to destroy it.
 
2011-12-13 03:05:45 PM
Surool: Oh please, substers... go all the way and make a headline about "Gettin Higgy wid it"

na na na na na na na
 
2011-12-13 03:17:54 PM
Before the anti-science nuts show up, let me say that proving the Higgs does or doesn't exist will not cause science to be "rewritten". Good article...but I somehow don't think it will help said people in understanding why.
 
2011-12-13 03:20:01 PM
In other news, there's a 94-96% chance that God never existed to begin with.
 
2011-12-13 03:31:48 PM
make me some tea: In other news, there's a 94-96% chance that God never existed to begin with.

You're trying to summon the anti-science nuts, aren't you?

Are you mad??
 
2011-12-13 03:41:17 PM
In a sense this is actually the least exciting thing they could have found: a signal that looks like a Higgs, right in the middle of the range that hadn't been excluded (it's always in the last place you look, right?), that is consistent with the Standard Model.

In other words, while this is a huge triumph for the experimentalists, it doesn't give the theorists anything new to work with, which they desperately need in order to progress beyond the SM. A Higgs that wasn't consistent with the SM, or even no Higgs at all, would have been much better news for the theoretical side.

Also, expect the media to be full of string theorists boasting that their personal favorite flavor of string theory "predicted" this, while conveniently not mentioning that so did many others as well as many non-string theories.
 
2011-12-13 03:50:54 PM
I don't really understand the Higgs fuss today. So we think there might be Higgs, but we're not sure. Isn't that exactly where we were before we started down this path?

I don't want a progress report. Let me know when you have something tangible.
 
2011-12-13 03:52:00 PM
torusXL: Are you mad??

trollface.jpg
 
2011-12-13 03:53:06 PM
czetie: In a sense this is actually the least exciting thing they could have found: a signal that looks like a Higgs, right in the middle of the range that hadn't been excluded (it's always in the last place you look, right?), that is consistent with the Standard Model.

In other words, while this is a huge triumph for the experimentalists, it doesn't give the theorists anything new to work with, which they desperately need in order to progress beyond the SM. A Higgs that wasn't consistent with the SM, or even no Higgs at all, would have been much better news for the theoretical side.

Also, expect the media to be full of string theorists boasting that their personal favorite flavor of string theory "predicted" this, while conveniently not mentioning that so did many others as well as many non-string theories.


Which is why they're going to continue honing down on the results until they get something definitive, which might happen sometime next year.
 
2011-12-13 04:21:00 PM
Shazam999: TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.

Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.


Who you, you referring to? This is my climate change cherry.
 
2011-12-13 04:23:10 PM
TyrantII: Who you, you

TyrantII, Fark's very own owl.
 
2011-12-13 04:34:51 PM
TyrantII: Shazam999: TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.

Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.

Who you, you referring to? This is my climate change cherry.


Damn, too many farking fark handles that are too alike.
 
2011-12-13 04:49:33 PM
Flt209er: BKITU: Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

No, NO. see, this is why we can't have nice things. You've already jumped out and decided that we need to go out there and dynamicize all dominant paradigms into new synergistic sets of deliverables without even considering if it might be better to go in there and staticize all recessive abstractions into old distictive isolated consumables. What's your burning platform, BKITU?


STFU BOTH OF YOU!!

It literally makes me ill to read corpspeak.
 
2011-12-13 05:05:00 PM
GleeUnit: I already submitted this article tomorrow with a better headline.

In the future I will have read your headline, which will have changed it from a greenlight to a redlight.
 
2011-12-13 05:06:40 PM
Madbassist1: STFU BOTH OF YOU!!

It literally makes me ill to read corpspeak.


Madbassist1 needs to strive to be a better team player and bring more value and foster a more inclusive environment.
 
2011-12-13 05:15:23 PM
torusXL: Madbassist1: STFU BOTH OF YOU!!

It literally makes me ill to read corpspeak.

Madbassist1 needs to strive to be a better team player and bring more value and foster a more inclusive environment.


You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.
 
2011-12-13 05:34:54 PM
Vangor: torusXL: Madbassist1: STFU BOTH OF YOU!!

It literally makes me ill to read corpspeak.

Madbassist1 needs to strive to be a better team player and bring more value and foster a more inclusive environment.

You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.


I couldn't help but overhear your conversation on one of my patrols of this productivity zone, and I thought I would incentivize the continued output of your work product by adding my input in a client-based listening-feedback dynamic feedback model.
 
2011-12-13 05:43:53 PM
Shazam999: TyrantII: Shazam999: TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.

Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.

Who you, you referring to? This is my climate change cherry.

Damn, too many farking fark handles that are too alike.


Fark.com, In the 6811932th Thread

You are in a maze of twisty little Fark handles, all alike.

>
 
2011-12-13 06:12:01 PM
Vangor: You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.

OK that doesnt even translate
 
2011-12-13 06:18:04 PM
Let's assume for a minute that this does reach 5sigma sometime in 2012, and they have proven definatively the existence of the Higgs and thus added fire to the affirmation of the standard model as we currently think it works.

Someone help me out here...what does this change...anything? Does this give us any kind of a launch platform at all to push us to the next stage of anything? Are there any theories out there that could not be taken farther without establishing this?

I was in the camp of hoping that LHC would nullify the possibility of the Higgs, hence dashing existing theories and pushing us into thinking in new directions.

/kinda let down now, because I'm not seeing a "next" in this line of physics
//which, of course, is a big part of why I'm not a physicist
 
2011-12-13 06:19:43 PM
www.nightmarepark.com
 
2011-12-13 06:21:15 PM
Madbassist1: Vangor: You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.

OK that doesnt even translate




You need a Yellow belt to even begin to understand it.
 
2011-12-13 06:21:36 PM
GleeUnit: I already submitted this article tomorrow with a better headline.

Prepeat.
 
2011-12-13 06:34:34 PM
RedMosquito: And my axe.

And my bow!
 
2011-12-13 06:39:25 PM
make me some tea:

Which is why they're going to continue honing down on the results until they get something definitive, which might happen sometime next year.


...and hence, the Mayan calendar.

We.
Are.
Farked.
 
2011-12-13 06:52:11 PM
Thuull: Let's assume for a minute that this does reach 5sigma sometime in 2012, and they have proven definatively the existence of the Higgs and thus added fire to the affirmation of the standard model as we currently think it works.

Someone help me out here...what does this change...anything? Does this give us any kind of a launch platform at all to push us to the next stage of anything? Are there any theories out there that could not be taken farther without establishing this?

I was in the camp of hoping that LHC would nullify the possibility of the Higgs, hence dashing existing theories and pushing us into thinking in new directions.

/kinda let down now, because I'm not seeing a "next" in this line of physics
//which, of course, is a big part of why I'm not a physicist


depending the properties of the higgs and your favorite flavor of supersymmetry, they may or may not couple strongly
 
2011-12-13 06:53:50 PM
Nick Nostril: make me some tea:

Which is why they're going to continue honing down on the results until they get something definitive, which might happen sometime next year.

...and hence, the Mayan calendar.

We.
Are.
Farked.


ZOMG

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2011-12-13 06:55:45 PM
Shazam999: TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.

Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.


It's a science thread, and he made a good point. That is what the climate deniers are doing they are looking at data that has a very high number of reliability and pretending because it's not 100% (which nothing is) their are "questions".
 
2011-12-13 07:36:46 PM
Nick Nostril: make me some tea:

Which is why they're going to continue honing down on the results until they get something definitive, which might happen sometime next year.

...and hence, the Mayan calendar.

We.
Are.
Farked.


Type 13 planets do typically destroy themselves at about this stage of its development. Sometimes through war, often through environmental catastrophe, but more commonly it is unintentionally collapsed into a pea-sized object by scientists trying to determine the mass of the Higgs particle.
 
2011-12-13 07:59:33 PM
blahpers: Shazam999: TyrantII: Shazam999: TyrantII: BKITU: So while these confidence levels are good, they're not great. Physicists start getting excited around the 99.99% (4 sigma) confidence level, and start celebrating at 99.9999% (5 sigma).

Sounds like they need a Six-Sigma Blackbelt to go in there and dynamicize all the dominant paradigms into a new synergistic set of deliverables.

5 Sigma, or as climate change deniers (and the media) like's to call it: a 50/50 chance.

Fark's sake, you just have to squish climate change into every thread, eh? You must be a blast at parties.

Who you, you referring to? This is my climate change cherry.

Damn, too many farking fark handles that are too alike.

Fark.com, In the 6811932th Thread

You are in a maze of twisty little Fark handles, all alike.



> GET YE FLASK
 
2011-12-13 08:00:02 PM
ArcadianRefugee: Type 13 planets do typically destroy themselves at about this stage of its development. Sometimes through war, often through environmental catastrophe, but more commonly it is unintentionally collapsed into a pea-sized object by scientists trying to determine the mass of the Higgs particle.

hahah
 
2011-12-13 08:33:16 PM
Vangor: torusXL: Madbassist1: STFU BOTH OF YOU!!

It literally makes me ill to read corpspeak.

Madbassist1 needs to strive to be a better team player and bring more value and foster a more inclusive environment.

You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.


Don't you worry about blank. Let me worry about blank.
 
2011-12-13 09:21:36 PM
Madbassist1: Vangor: You need to collaborate in more synergistic cloud-sourced environments in order to leverage available critical customer-oriented task principles before allocating non-value-added to his inclusive environment.

OK that doesnt even translate


I know! Non-value-added WHAT? Paradigms? Game-changers? Menacing robots?

/had to get up and walk away for a minute when I read #1
 
2011-12-13 09:23:51 PM
torusXL: make me some tea: In other news, there's a 94-96% chance that God never existed to begin with.

You're trying to summon the anti-science nuts, aren't you?

Are you mad??


But it's like watching the monkeys at the zoo.
 
2011-12-13 09:26:45 PM
clusterfrak: torusXL: make me some tea: In other news, there's a 94-96% chance that God never existed to begin with.

You're trying to summon the anti-science nuts, aren't you?

Are you mad??

But it's like watching the monkeys at the zoo.


Well, I tried.
 
2011-12-14 12:49:42 AM
clusterfrak: torusXL: make me some tea: In other news, there's a 94-96% chance that God never existed to begin with.

You're trying to summon the anti-science nuts, aren't you?

Are you mad??

But it's like watching the monkeys at the zoo.


The anti-science people masturbate and smoke leftover cigarettes? Perhaps there IS hope for some of them.
 
2011-12-14 01:48:35 AM
Surool: Oh please, substers... go all the way and make a headline about "Gettin Higgy wid it"

Higgy baby?

/TC? Rick?
//Agnes??
 
2011-12-14 01:48:41 AM
I wish to use the Higgs field like the Force and levitate large objects by reducing their overall mass making them weigh less because of the less mass. Sadly, it is not yet to be.
 
2011-12-14 01:54:51 AM
Surool: Oh please, substers... go all the way and make a headline about "Gettin Higgy wid it"

Is that a Higgs in your mass or are you just happy to see me?
 
2011-12-14 03:06:45 AM
ArcadianRefugee: Type 13 planets do typically destroy themselves at about this stage of its development. Sometimes through war, often through environmental catastrophe, but more commonly it is unintentionally collapsed into a pea-sized object by scientists trying to determine the mass of the Higgs particle.

Screening candidates for escape vehicle.
 
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