Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young. That would be weapon-grade stupid and instant death.

Some papers in the UK, like the Daily Mail (who own 20% of ITN News, a competitor to the BBC though they never mention that fact when attacking the BBC) are trying to make a big deal of this, saying the BBC "misled" viewers. Like having a making of documentary showing exactly how they built the den in the zoo on the BBC website for the last month, long before the papers noticed.

But then they could have gotten the footage for the show AND sold it to worlds blankiest blank for even MORE money.

Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young. That would be weapon-grade stupid and instant death.

Some papers in the UK, like the Daily Mail (who own 20% of ITN News, a competitor to the BBC though they never mention that fact when attacking the BBC) are trying to make a big deal of this, saying the BBC "misled" viewers. Like having a making of documentary showing exactly how they built the den in the zoo on the BBC website for the last month, long before the papers noticed.

First off,

Cameramen go into the artic to film Polar Bears all the time. Google it if you don't believe me. There is special equipment and devices to assist them and it has been done for years.

Second off,

If you don't think this was misleading you are even more of an idiot than you come off as. They mixed footage from a farking zoo in with a doc that claimed wild. This. Was. A. Lie.

Can you say lie? Say it with me, lie.

Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young.

You know, they can film all sorts of shiat with the technology they have these days. This isn't attenborough's first rodeo - he knows exactly what he's doing and it's more than apparent that a lot of people did feel misled. This could have been easily avoided by simply mentioning it up front. In no way would that have ruined the piece... unless of course you are intending to deceive, which he was. If the truth hurts your documentary or your science it's not very good science is it?

This is a set-up. A little piece of BS drummed up by conservatives to dent Attenborough in the news. Why? The last episode in the Frozen Planet series is an hour-long description of the real, observable, and well-observed effects of climate change on the polar regions.

There were rumors Discovery Channel was going to omit the last episode in their US airing, but now that they've announced they're showing the full series Attenborough's credibility has to be dented somehow before people here see the show.

Unimpressed.

This has to be some sort of mud-flinging exercise, nobody watches armageddon then demands their money back because they didn't really film it on an asteroid.

I've been watching nature films for 38 years now. 34 of those years I've realized that the cameraman is not REALLY inside the nest with the African wild dogs and they they're probably filming them in some sort of zoo with a glass portal into the nest. I figured that shiat out at 4.

How farking misleading could it be?

You can't figure out what a 4 year old of average intelligence was able to deduce? Turn in your TV and get a farking pan to catch your drool in.

historynow11: Unimpressed.

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Even less impressed:

A documentary on polar bears being misleading? That never happens.

GregInIndy: This is a set-up. A little piece of BS drummed up by conservatives to dent Attenborough in the news. Why? The last episode in the Frozen Planet series is an hour-long description of the real, observable, and well-observed effects of climate change on the polar regions.

Or, it's just free publicity. I hadn't heard of the show until this thread, and it's exactly the sort of thing I'd watch.

farscape: Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young. That would be weapon-grade stupid and instant death.

Some papers in the UK, like the Daily Mail (who own 20% of ITN News, a competitor to the BBC though they never mention that fact when attacking the BBC) are trying to make a big deal of this, saying the BBC "misled" viewers. Like having a making of documentary showing exactly how they built the den in the zoo on the BBC website for the last month, long before the papers noticed.

First off,

Cameramen go into the artic to film Polar Bears all the time. Google it if you don't believe me. There is special equipment and devices to assist them and it has been done for years.

Second off,

If you don't think this was misleading you are even more of an idiot than you come off as. They mixed footage from a farking zoo in with a doc that claimed wild. This. Was. A. Lie.

Can you say lie? Say it with me, lie.

First off where did I say the BBC did not send cameramen "to the arctic"?

I said "into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young"

You want to volunteer for that?

Secondly, you'd struggle to fine any wildlife documentary ever made that did not "mislead" viewers in this way.
Any time you have ever seen an animal go out to hunt, stalk prey, chase and kill it, than take it back to it's nest/young did you ever wonder how lucky the film crew was to have started following an animal that happened to find and kill something and be able to follow it the entire time without losing it or scaring it off?

Really?

Maybe this is the time to tell you some bad news about Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy....

As for "lie" then you have to wonder why they then made a Making Of documentary and put it on their official website, asking viewers of the original show to go watch it. Because every time I lie to someone I make sure to document it and then ask the person I lied to to go watch it....

JohnBigBootay: Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young.

You know, they can film all sorts of shiat with the technology they have these days. This isn't attenborough's first rodeo - he knows exactly what he's doing and it's more than apparent that a lot of people did feel misled. This could have been easily avoided by simply mentioning it up front. In no way would that have ruined the piece... unless of course you are intending to deceive, which he was. If the truth hurts your documentary or your science it's not very good science is it?

If you "Intend to deceive" then why make a Making Of documentary showing exactly what you did and ask viewers to go watch it?

See the BBC Director General and the Chairman of the board of governors comment about this to the DCMS Select Committee.

farscape: Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young. That would be weapon-grade stupid and instant death.

Some papers in the UK, like the Daily Mail (who own 20% of ITN News, a competitor to the BBC though they never mention that fact when attacking the BBC) are trying to make a big deal of this, saying the BBC "misled" viewers. Like having a making of documentary showing exactly how they built the den in the zoo on the BBC website for the last month, long before the papers noticed.

First off,

Cameramen go into the artic to film Polar Bears all the time. Google it if you don't believe me. There is special equipment and devices to assist them and it has been done for years.

Second off,

If you don't think this was misleading you are even more of an idiot than you come off as. They mixed footage from a farking zoo in with a doc that claimed wild. This. Was. A. Lie.

Can you say lie? Say it with me, lie.

Could you provide a link to back up your first claim? I tried googling it, and all I came up with was links to a thousand variations on articles about this specific controversy. I found a few articles about filming them out in the open with really long lenses from helicopters or airplanes or with little RC-car type things... but absolutely nothing about filming in a den except more articles about this single BBC documentary.

But beyond that, I don't see any lies in the transcript that accompanies the program, and there's been a making-of documentary that shows the setup at the zoo for months. If "not lying about it" and "showing how we did it" together aren't sufficient for you, I'm not sure what would be.

/I've probably just been trolled

For those of you who want the truth in natural history wildlife documentaries, I suggest you go to Northern Canada and try to film a polar bear in its den. That'll be some honesty with huge ratings. I don't know if the BBC will pick it up, but I'm sure the History channel will find room between shows about Nostradamus and Nazi secret weapons to show "Retard Dismemberment."

Flint Ironstag: As for "lie" then you have to wonder why they then made a Making Of documentary and put it on their official website, asking viewers of the original show to go watch it. Because every time I lie to someone I make sure to document it and then ask the person I lied to to go watch it....

And the "making of" segments have been added to the end of episodes in the DVD releases of recent Attenborough series. This will almost certainly here.

historynow11: Unimpressed.

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Sweeeet

As all tree-huggers know, Polar Bears, like all bears, are warm and cuddly and everyone should adopt one.

dittybopper: historynow11: Unimpressed.

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/unbearably unimpressed

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/polar-bears-destroy-robot-spy-cams - show-no-remorse-video/ (new window)

Iceberg Cam, Snowball Cam, Blizzard Cam and Drift Cam were the arctic photographer's best friends -- high-tech spy robot cameras designed to resist cold and traverse sub-zero terrain. Then they got crushed to death by giant polar bears while attempting to make friends. Seriously, that's the basic gist of Polar Bear: Spy on the Ice, a new BBC documentary which began airing last week, and which just so happens to be narrated by David Tennant

Well the Daily Fail could always send a cameraman into a Polar Bear den to show how real men would do it.

Oh go on, keep trying to attack Attenborough. That will work.

He is being attacked because he is telling the scientific side of the story in both climate change and evolution. He is very very high up the hitlist of the religious-conservative alliance now.

Their attacks will bounce off though, he is much much too respected in the UK and they are not. no-one is going to believe the Daily Fail over him.

farscape: If you don't think this was misleading you are even more of an idiot than you come off as.

Bet you were sore when you found out those Weird Al "interviews" were all spliced footage, too.

Seriously, don't ascribe retardation to others just because you count to potato, Corky.

farscape: Flint Ironstag: Like anyone thought the BBC would send a cameraman actually into a polar bear nest with a mother and her young. That would be weapon-grade stupid and instant death.

Some papers in the UK, like the Daily Mail (who own 20% of ITN News, a competitor to the BBC though they never mention that fact when attacking the BBC) are trying to make a big deal of this, saying the BBC "misled" viewers. Like having a making of documentary showing exactly how they built the den in the zoo on the BBC website for the last month, long before the papers noticed.

First off,

Cameramen go into the artic to film Polar Bears all the time. Google it if you don't believe me. There is special equipment and devices to assist them and it has been done for years.

Second off,

If you don't think this was misleading you are even more of an idiot than you come off as. They mixed footage from a farking zoo in with a doc that claimed wild. This. Was. A. Lie.

Can you say lie? Say it with me, lie.

Exactly!! The camera man should have been in the nest, just like the ones that squeeze into terminte mounds

/Cock

"The photographer phoned to say that the good news is, he isn't cold any more. In fact, he says it's remarkably warm inside a polar bear."