I'm waiting till January so that it doesn't completely distract me from life during the holidays.

DamnYankees: A Bioware MMORPG is really something. Hopefully they can pull it off.

It's looking pretty good. I had a poke around the beta phase for the last four months and while it's a little linear, it's definitely full of the usual BioWare goodness. They even managed to sneak a Firefly reference into the dialogue a Star Wars game, those adorable rascals. The one thing I didn't get to see is the "end-game" (except for an operations demonstration at Gamescom, but I didn't play), which is somewhat important to keep me hooked in the long term. I do have high hopes for SW:TOR though. It does have potential.

DamnYankees: Optical Aleutian: They even managed to sneak a Firefly reference into the dialogue a Star Wars game, those adorable rascals.

What's the reference?

"You don't know me, Darth Harrian, so let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. "

I'll call spoiler alert to all the would be smugglers out there, so don't read on, eh?

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As a smuggler, once you get your own ship, you meet an NPC who is already on board. After a bit of back and forth, the dialogue ends with her telling you "I'll be in my bunk". Nyaaaah.

The beta was a lot of fun and the voice acting is pretty damn good in most cases. I think they'll do well.

Yawwwwnnnn...wake me up when Diablo 3 is out.

I played it a bit at my bros during Thanksgiving. It's WoW with lightsabers. Same old crap really.

Been a long time since Bioware made a game that didn't suck.

Got in at 7a. Work + class means I won't be able to truly enjoy until late tonight. I will say that it looks MUCH better than I expected.

/MUCH

When (or if) they release a trial of TOR, I'll give it a shot. I'm currently between my usual WoW subscriptions (typically play a few months every two years or so) and the premise of an MMO set in the Star Wars universe with a deeper storyline sounds intriguing. That said, I do have reservations.

I hope it does well, but simply don't believe that it'll hold up against WoW. There have been many attempts at dethroning that game, and none have succeeded.

I remember when Rift came out. There was so much talk of it being a WoW killer. These days, I don't even hear about it anymore. When is the last time you did? Now replace Rift with Warhammer Online, or Lord of the Rings online, or...

I suppose my sample size is kind of small, being just some of the people I've played WoW with, but not a single person who quit WoW in order to play a different MMO is still playing that MMO. They're back to slumming around Stormwind or Orgrimmar, or have quit MMOs all together.

Weaver95: cgraves67: I'm waiting till January so that it doesn't completely distract me from life during the holidays.

yeah...I've got enough distractions with skyrim. I can wait a couple/few days for things to sort themselves out. ain't no big thing.

Yup, I haven't even given this game a second thought since Skyrim was realeased. Well, until just now anyway. Don't think I'll worry about getting this for a month or more.

Slam Dunkz: I played it a bit at my bros during Thanksgiving. It's WoW with lightsabers. Same old crap really.

Been a long time since Bioware made a game that didn't suck.

no one listen to this guy

Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

I'm waiting for my invite, only preordered last week so I suspect that it'll be a few days before I can get in.

Need a Dispenser Here: I hope it does well, but simply don't believe that it'll hold up against WoW. There have been many attempts at dethroning that game, and none have succeeded.

I don't think it has to. It looks like it's pulling two major subscriber bases: People that stopped playing WoW a LONG time ago, and completionists that would have bought a new Star Wars game any way. Neither group is pulling subscription away from Blizz.

Only thing that will pull people from Blizz will be a large, steady userbase. And only time does that.

In the meantime, please leave me and my Sith Pureblood Warrior to our own devices.

Got in this morning, toons rolled, played a few hours. Smooth and stable, lots of fun. Looking forward to getting back to it after work.

The official forums are exploding though, you can taste the sweet sweet schadenfreude as all the entitled manchildren threaten cancellation of their pre-orders because they didn't get in during the first wave. My favorites were the soldier who thinks he should get in because he was in Afghanistan and couldn't pre-order early, and the one who said Bioware is breaking the law by not letting everyone in.

A reasonably sane person would be appalled at the QQing and raging on the SWTOR forums from the people who haven't gotten into their Early Game Access yet.

I just shrugged it off and came to Fark. This is the internet, after all.

PillsHere: Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

Your in luck because that's all SWtOR is.

PillsHere: Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

There's 60+ hours of KOTOR-style story in there PER CLASS. If you never want to deal with juvenile little shiatcocks, play on a PvE server and just work through the storyline. My understanding is that with companion characters you never have to group if you don't want to. If you DO want to group, there's more content for you with Operations and Flashpoints.

/not a shill
//just been waiting for this effing thing for years now

Oh, look, another MMO. Yeeha.

1,2,3, TAB
1,2,3, TAB

OH! A boss!

1,2,3,9,0,1,2,3,1,2,3

I realize that this isn't really fundamentally different from any other video game out there since there's really only one major control system for this type of game, but other games don't ask me to shell out $50 plus a subscription.

I just can't get over how every MMO is pretty much exactly the same basic game as every other MMO once you get past what is usually a paper thin story. I've played, to varying degrees, WoW, LOTRO, EQII, EvE, Guild Wars, Rift (beta) and DnD Online, and they're all the same basic model with varying levels of polish and a few of their own little gimmicks. When I first heard about the development of MMOs I expected a huge, open virtual world that changed constantly with time based on the people in it, not a static RPG with the same five quests repeated hundred of times for 85 levels, an auction house and some meager PvP options.

It's time to do something GOOD with MMOs....

blackminded: PillsHere: Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

There's 60+ hours of KOTOR-style story in there PER CLASS. If you never want to deal with juvenile little shiatcocks, play on a PvE server and just work through the storyline. My understanding is that with companion characters you never have to group if you don't want to. If you DO want to group, there's more content for you with Operations and Flashpoints.

/not a shill
//just been waiting for this effing thing for years now

Yup, this right here. Turn off other player names, general chat, trade chat (in fact just close the chat window altogether). You can even tackle flashpoints with 2 people (plus 2 companions) so you really only need one buddy in game to see most of the content.

I'm still not certain I like how they've done the crafting system. :( Sending out a dude for a minute just to craft something basic seems excessive. The five minute timers on higher items also seems a bit... much.

It really is a lot like WoW. But that's not a bad thing.

Cytokine Storm: Got in this morning, toons rolled, played a few hours. Smooth and stable, lots of fun. Looking forward to getting back to it after work.

The official forums are exploding though, you can taste the sweet sweet schadenfreude as all the entitled manchildren threaten cancellation of their pre-orders because they didn't get in during the first wave. My favorites were the soldier who thinks he should get in because he was in Afghanistan and couldn't pre-order early, and the one who said Bioware is breaking the law by not letting everyone in.

I ducked out of the official forums over a year ago when I discovered Darth Hater. I do not regret this decision.

PillsHere: Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

You can fully play SWTOR in that fashion. It is the exact sequel to the KOTOR games. You just have 8 different ways to see the story.

Star Wars Galaxies was terrible.

Slam Dunkz: I played it a bit at my bros during Thanksgiving. It's WoW with lightsabers. Same old crap really.

Been a long time since Bioware made a game that didn't suck.

You must have been drinking a lot.

Im shocked my laptop can run it. Pretty low end on the specs but I guess that's standard for an MMO.

meat0918: Given the trend in other Sony games, I'll wait a year until they go free-to-play/micro-transaction.

DC Online, EQ2, what else do they have that is free-to-play as a basic account with extra goodies if you purchase them.

//As long as it isn't pay to win.

Given that I don't think this is a Sony game, you may have to wait a while.

/The FIRST star wars MMO *was* Sony, and was set during the original trilogy.
//this is Bioware/EA, and is set during the Old Republic, or the time period of the KOTOR games, ~1000 or so years before the Star Wars Trilogy. Meaning Bioware can go "fark Skywalker, we make our own plot!"

I just got my start and I'm stuck at work also. My wife is going to be biatching at me all night when I get home. This should be fun.

Splinshints: Oh, look, another MMO. Yeeha.

1,2,3, TAB
1,2,3, TAB

OH! A boss!

1,2,3,9,0,1,2,3,1,2,3

I realize that this isn't really fundamentally different from any other video game out there since there's really only one major control system for this type of game, but other games don't ask me to shell out $50 plus a subscription.

I just can't get over how every MMO is pretty much exactly the same basic game as every other MMO once you get past what is usually a paper thin story. I've played, to varying degrees, WoW, LOTRO, EQII, EvE, Guild Wars, Rift (beta) and DnD Online, and they're all the same basic model with varying levels of polish and a few of their own little gimmicks. When I first heard about the development of MMOs I expected a huge, open virtual world that changed constantly with time based on the people in it, not a static RPG with the same five quests repeated hundred of times for 85 levels, an auction house and some meager PvP options.

It's time to do something GOOD with MMOs....

And you know what else? Movies. All movies are exactly the same fundamentally. You go in, watch the set up, the conflict, and the resolution. I've been going to movies for decades and they're all the same basic model with varying levels of polish and a few of their own little gimmicks.

/I hope you were trolling
//Even if you weren't, better to try to claim you're a troll rather than admit you're just a drooling moron

My brother pre-ordered on the 23rd and got an invite at 4:22am. I pre-ordered on the 28th and haven't received anything yet.

Splinshints:

I just can't get over how every MMO is pretty much exactly the same basic game as every other MMO once you get past what is usually a paper thin story....

The story in this game is far better than any MMO i've ever played before and better than most single player games. Two people playing through the same class/same mission can even have entirely different experiences depending on the conversation options you choose.

blackminded: PillsHere: Meh, I rather have Knights of the Old Republic 3.

There's 60+ hours of KOTOR-style story in there PER CLASS. If you never want to deal with juvenile little shiatcocks, play on a PvE server and just work through the storyline. My understanding is that with companion characters you never have to group if you don't want to. If you DO want to group, there's more content for you with Operations and Flashpoints.

/not a shill
//just been waiting for this effing thing for years now

What an Operation Flashpoint may look like:

Yeah, another one who can't get in until tonight.

For those already in, can you recommend an East coast PvE server? Preferably something with a nice name.

And before someone says something, I'm happy being carebear. I'll PvP on my own time, not on yours.

johnz16: I just got my start and I'm stuck at work also. My wife is going to be biatching at me all night when I get home. This should be fun.

Use chocolate to divert aggro. If that doesn't work Pop your CDs and lob wads of cash until she is diverted.

Carousel Beast: Splinshints: Oh, look, another MMO. Yeeha.

1,2,3, TAB
1,2,3, TAB

OH! A boss!

1,2,3,9,0,1,2,3,1,2,3

I realize that this isn't really fundamentally different from any other video game out there since there's really only one major control system for this type of game, but other games don't ask me to shell out $50 plus a subscription.

I just can't get over how every MMO is pretty much exactly the same basic game as every other MMO once you get past what is usually a paper thin story. I've played, to varying degrees, WoW, LOTRO, EQII, EvE, Guild Wars, Rift (beta) and DnD Online, and they're all the same basic model with varying levels of polish and a few of their own little gimmicks. When I first heard about the development of MMOs I expected a huge, open virtual world that changed constantly with time based on the people in it, not a static RPG with the same five quests repeated hundred of times for 85 levels, an auction house and some meager PvP options.

It's time to do something GOOD with MMOs....

And you know what else? Movies. All movies are exactly the same fundamentally. You go in, watch the set up, the conflict, and the resolution. I've been going to movies for decades and they're all the same basic model with varying levels of polish and a few of their own little gimmicks.

/I hope you were trolling
//Even if you weren't, better to try to claim you're a troll rather than admit you're just a drooling moron

Clearly you've never seen John Sayles' "Limbo".

Can anyone tell me how economics work in this game? Is it well thought out? Is there a auction house with a decent interface? I mean I enjoy pvp and some pve but I need my economic transactions to feel like it is an MMO. In short is the buying and selling fluid or is it a clunky mess?

Oh and also, is it possible to gather your friends, go to a sith controlled area and kill quest givers and so forth?

Cytokine Storm: Yup, this right here. Turn off other player names, general chat, trade chat (in fact just close the chat window altogether). You can even tackle flashpoints with 2 people (plus 2 companions) so you really only need one buddy in game to see most of the content.

So you are confirming that you 100% must play with at least one other person to complete the game.

I don't do MMOs. I don't want other numbskulls getting their dickbeaters into MY single-player narative experience. I don't want a group 'vote' to dictate how my story progresses. I like to go back to previous Save Points and try things differently. That doesn't even flipping exist in an MMO.

I also don't like paying $60 for a game and then $15/mo every time I want to play it. I went through both KOTORs and NWN2+expansions (again) in 2010 while I waited for Skyrim. Everything I have heard so far about SWTOR is that I should get ready to grind and play FedEx. Four hours of grinding for every 20 minutes of scripted content isn't worth doing, much less PAYING FOR. That, and I'm still a little bitter about DA2.

Duck_of_Doom: And before someone says something, I'm happy being carebear. I'll PvP on my own time, not on yours.

I can't even remember my server name...Saber of Exar Kun or something like that. It's PvP, but SWTOR isn't open world PvP except for certain high-level planets. Basically you're not going to get murdered by some douche while you're trying to work through your plotline. You have to seek out the PvP.

/if I understand correctly