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(The Daily Beast) Interesting Don't look now, but Obama is beating both Romney and Gingrich in South Carolina. Does this mean he's headed for a landslide victory next November?   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 193
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2011-12-13 08:06:37 AM
obviously it's too early to tell. but the economy will likely keep getting better (unless europe falls off a cliff, which it might) and the republicans will keep getting more intransigent, so this is a possibility.

the ideal situation is a massive landslide with coattails that return the house to dem control and give the dems a supermajority in the senate. that way, maybe - just maybe - we can actually get some infrastructure spending and some financial regulation done. and the dream scenario is that the SCOTUS strikes down the republican mandate in "obamacare" as unconstitutional, forcing the now democratic congress to create a single-payer option for americans.

and then, immediately following, justices scalia, thomas, and alito are all killed in a freak homosexual bondage accident, necessitating the nomination of three new SCOTUS judges.

well, a guy can dream, can't he?
 
2011-12-13 08:15:23 AM
Don't look now, but Obama is beating both Romney and Gingrich in South Carolina. Does this mean he's headed for a landslide victory next November?

no
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 08:29:38 AM
Even better, he's headed for a landslide victory this December.
 
2011-12-13 08:31:04 AM
ZAZ: Even better, he's headed for a landslide victory this December.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2011-12-13 08:38:14 AM
FlashHarry: obviously it's too early to tell. but the economy will likely keep getting better (unless europe falls off a cliff, which it might) and the republicans will keep getting more intransigent, so this is a possibility.

That's what it's all going to hinge on. As the Clinton campaign once put it famously "It's the economy, stupid." We've got a dead bin laden and troops withdrawing from Iraq but what people REALLY care about is whether or not they're doing alright. I don't think the GOP candidate is going to see a whoppin' of Mondale proportions, but I can see Obama getting even more electoral votes than he did in 2008 which wasn't technically a landslide but was quite a decisive victory.

The GOP needs to basically flip Florida, Ohio AND Pennsylvania to have a shot, I don't see that happening.
 
2011-12-13 08:45:41 AM
No, if Obama wins, he'll squeak by, just like for every other past Presidential election since Clinton. It'll be a real LOLfest if Obama wins in 2012 in the same way Bush won in 2000.

FlashHarry: and then, immediately following, justices scalia, thomas, and alito are all killed in a freak homosexual bondage accident, necessitating the nomination of three new SCOTUS judges.

well, a guy can dream, can't he?



You have some weird perversions there, boy...
 
2011-12-13 09:01:02 AM
That'd be funny.
 
2011-12-13 09:15:36 AM
xanadian: It'll be a real LOLfest if Obama wins in 2012 in the same way Bush won in 2000.

that would be deliciously ironic, but he doesn't have the supreme court in his pocket like bush did, so it's pretty doubtful. besides, i can't see a republican getting that close. newt is unelectable. romney is detested by the base. it's just not going to happen.
 
2011-12-13 09:40:14 AM
Obviously. And the butthurt will be glorious.
 
2011-12-13 09:40:58 AM
FlashHarry: xanadian: It'll be a real LOLfest if Obama wins in 2012 in the same way Bush won in 2000.

that would be deliciously ironic, but he doesn't have the supreme court in his pocket like bush did, so it's pretty doubtful. besides, i can't see a republican getting that close. newt is unelectable. romney is detested by the base. it's just not going to happen.


Sounds more like 2004. "Anyone but Bush!" "Okay, here's your anyone: John Kerry!" "... I'm staying home."
 
2011-12-13 10:03:13 AM
HulkHands: Sounds more like 2004. "Anyone but Bush!" "Okay, here's your anyone: John Kerry!" "... I'm staying home."

PRECISELY.

"I can't believe we lost to the worst President in modern history!" -Democrats 2004, and Republicans 2012
 
2011-12-13 10:07:58 AM
Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.
 
2011-12-13 10:10:24 AM
My conservative friend (He exists, I swear) was trying to convince me last night that the Muppet movie and other comedies are doing so poorly in the box office, not because they aren't good, but because we are in a depression and no one is in the mood for a comedy. Even shiatty box office numbers are Obama's fault.

He is dismayed, however, that Gary Busey is backing Newt.
 
2011-12-13 10:12:13 AM
But you know what they say "As goes Busey, so goes the nation".
 
2011-12-13 10:21:26 AM
DamnYankees: Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.

Reagan.
 
2011-12-13 10:22:06 AM
Obama has plenty of problems, but the GOP is suffering from a distinct lack of unification. I can't possibly imagine why that might be.
 
2011-12-13 10:25:35 AM
GAT_00: DamnYankees: Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.

Reagan.


1984 was not a down economy, it was a booming one. 1982-3 was down, but that's an eternity in politics.
 
2011-12-13 10:25:38 AM
ManateeGag: My conservative friend (He exists, I swear) was trying to convince me last night that the Muppet movie and other comedies are doing so poorly in the box office, not because they aren't good, but because we are in a depression and no one is in the mood for a comedy. Even shiatty box office numbers are Obama's fault.

historically, comedies and other escapist fare do well during a depression. see: Depression, The Great Republican, 1929-1941.
 
2011-12-13 10:26:30 AM
DamnYankees: 1982-3 was down, but that's an eternity in politics.

kind of like the 11 months between now and the election?
 
2011-12-13 10:28:13 AM
DamnYankees: GAT_00: DamnYankees: Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.

Reagan.

1984 was not a down economy, it was a booming one. 1982-3 was down, but that's an eternity in politics.
 
2011-12-13 10:30:41 AM
FlashHarry: DamnYankees: 1982-3 was down, but that's an eternity in politics.

kind of like the 11 months between now and the election?


True, its possible the economy will boom. But the premise of my statement was that the election took place in a down economy.
 
2011-12-13 10:31:42 AM
Damn shiatty 2003-esc limit on images. Oooh, more than 256 KB, that's WAAAY too big for anyone to handle!

i575.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-13 10:38:21 AM
DamnYankees: Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.

If Obama is leading in South Carolina, it's a very, very bad sign for the GOP.

/Would love to hear a reporter ask Mitt and Newt if they will speak at Bob Jones University before the SC primary . . .
 
2011-12-13 10:38:58 AM
There will be no economic boom while Obama is prez. The sooner he is gone the better.
 
2011-12-13 10:40:29 AM
HighOnCraic: If Obama is leading in South Carolina, it's a very, very bad sign for the GOP.

right now, the GOP = Congress. and right now, Congress has an approval rating of nine percent.
 
2011-12-13 10:43:44 AM
MeinRS6: There will be no economic boom while Obama is prez. The sooner he is gone the better.

If Obama is leading in South Carolina, it's a very, very bad sign for the GOP.
 
2011-12-13 10:53:04 AM
GAT_00: DamnYankees: GAT_00: DamnYankees: Highly unlikely. The idea he'd win in a landslide in a down economy is really, really unlikely.

Reagan.

1984 was not a down economy, it was a booming one. 1982-3 was down, but that's an eternity in politics.


I think you accidentally.
 
2011-12-13 10:58:52 AM
Checking electoral maps over the last few decades . . .

Looks like Clinton/Gore in '92 and '96--the last time the Democratics won consecutive presidential elections since the 60s--lost South Carolina in both those years, despite running well in several other Southern states. Even in the Democratic landslide of '64, South Carolina voted for Goldwater.

If the Democrats can compete in South Carolina this time around, it is bad news . . . for Obama.

/Granted, it's still a long way off.
 
2011-12-13 11:18:11 AM
MeinRS6: There will be no economic boom while Obama is prez.

I am intrigued by your theories and would like to hear more. Do you have a newsletter?
 
2011-12-13 01:29:20 PM
Based on past trends I think it means Obama will win the GOP nomination.
 
2011-12-13 01:36:23 PM
Diogenes: Based on past trends I think it means Obama will win the GOP nomination.

well, he's certainly the most electable republican out there.
 
2011-12-13 01:40:10 PM
I think it depends on turnout.

Will the deceased stay in their crypts, or will they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats?

Will old white people be able to vote, or will the Black Panthers scare them away?
 
2011-12-13 01:40:23 PM
FlashHarry: Diogenes: Based on past trends I think it means Obama will win the GOP nomination.

well, he's certainly the most electable republican out there.


files.sharenator.com
 
2011-12-13 01:56:33 PM
GAT_00: Damn shiatty 2003-esc limit on images. Oooh, more than 256 KB, that's WAAAY too big for anyone to handle!

[i575.photobucket.com image 480x495]


Your chart is useless. It shows Gore winning the election and that's unpossible because Jeb Bush would never have let Gore win Florida's electoral votes.
 
2011-12-13 02:01:38 PM
Poll results only matter when the GOP is winning in them, otherwise, they are meaningless. Haven't we learned that by now.
 
2011-12-13 02:13:21 PM
To be fair, there really is only one poll that matters.
 
2011-12-13 02:16:31 PM
MeinRS6: To be fair, there really is only one poll that matters.

That's right. The one that shows Obama losing.
 
2011-12-13 02:22:46 PM
The republicans are now ready to get serious. For months they showered love down on Bachmann, Perry and Cain as their favorites, only to discover belatedly that these people are morons--perhaps, functioning morons--but morons nevertheless who had no chance in hell of winning outside Alabama. Now they've settled on Gingrich, Romney and Paul. Paul is dismissible simply due to his policy on ending the wars. The GOP base loves its wars and won't have it. Bye bye. Romney is not a true christian, he's flip flopped more than the fictional record presented by Karl Rove of John Kerry, and actually has been a job killer at Bain capital. He's about as sincere as an 8th grader who's found himself alone for an hour with his new girlfriend at her parents' house. This leaves the Newt. He's high in the polls, but also has the highest poll negatives.Newt's just released his tax plan, which lowers rates on the 1%, his fellow Tiffany shoppers, and heaps it onto the middle class. He's betting the middle class republicans are still stupid. Are they? Are they willing to take janitorial jobs away from tax-paying lower class Americans and give them to a smattering of kids by smiting child labor laws. Newt has said we should be more like China. Really? No laws, no regs, all to boost profit, at the expense of the working class. There are still enough republicans that hold a shred of a bullshiat detector. Newt will not win. I would eat my hat, shirt and pants if he did. But he will be the GOP nominee, so the game is on. Ample evidence has rolled in to prove that Obama's policies have helped heal the economy that Bush and his republican congress trashed. His only problem has been that he hasn't gone big enough. But Americans will not gamble on the alternative.

There will be no joy in Mudville for republicans. All that remains to be seen is what happens in House elections. Will republicans lose big, or just a little? And will the GOP continue to put party before country by opposing actions that are good for the country simply because they will boost Obama. If this is the case I am looking to see a GOP rout, once in a generation sweep, that returns the House to democrats. There will be butthurt, there will be exploding heads. Fine, let them explode, hire Newt's kids to clean up the "moran" brains on the floor, and then re-assess what the republican party is all about.
 
2011-12-13 02:27:57 PM
Eh... I don't know if it's going to be a landslide or if he will even win reelection, but there's no way in hell I'm voting for any of those clowns the GOP has put forward. Dangerous, deranged sociopaths. Every single one of them. I'll take my chances with Obama again, thanks very much.

However, if he does manage to get reelected, the caterwauling, gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair coming from the usual suspects here and on cable news is going to be glorious.
 
2011-12-13 02:30:42 PM
MeinRS6: To be fair, there really is only one poll that matters.

The GOP is failing to ignite their most passionate supporters. If Newt gets nominated, it will light a fire under liberals to support Obama. If Mitt gets nominated, a huge chunk of the GOP stays home or votes for a 3rd party. If Perry gets nominated, it will be bad for the GOP for three reasons: it will light a fire under liberals to support Obama, it will turn independents against the GOP, and, um, I forget the third reason.* Oops!

Link (new window)

*Perry's views on immigration will hurt him with the base (though not quite as much as Romney's magic underwear issue).

/But hey, keep thinking that there's no problem.
 
2011-12-13 02:45:12 PM
Flab: MeinRS6: There will be no economic boom while Obama is prez.

I am intrigued by your theories and would like to hear more. Do you have a newsletter?


It wasn't so much a theory as it was a prayer.
 
2011-12-13 03:05:38 PM
www.geetarz.org

Oh, and the Boston gig's been cancelled your party's trailing in South Carolina. But don't worry, it's not a big college town solid red state.
 
2011-12-13 03:07:24 PM
To be fair, before any victory champagne is ordered, it might be well to see who actually gets the nod.

I do think that this is the election for the current leadership to lose, and with Congress digging their heels in, it is an excellent opportunity to clean house, but it would be better to see who gets the nod before uncorking those bottles.

A lot can happen between now and November. Even between the Primaries and November...
 
2011-12-13 03:29:52 PM
hubiestubert: To be fair, before any victory champagne is ordered, it might be well to see who actually gets the nod.

I do think that this is the election for the current leadership to lose, and with Congress digging their heels in, it is an excellent opportunity to clean house, but it would be better to see who gets the nod before uncorking those bottles.

A lot can happen between now and November. Even between the Primaries and November...


I'm not breaking out the champagne, but it's just a very bad sign that the two front-runners are losing to Obama in Bob Jones University's state.

/Fun fact: the original Bob Jones once said he'd rather see a Successful and Attractive African American elected president than a Catholic (referring to Al Smith's candidacy in in '28). I wonder what he'd have to say about a race between Obama and Gingrich . . .
 
2011-12-13 03:52:41 PM
Yes, yes it does. Have you watched the Republican debates? Have you seen the analysis of their policy proposals? These guys are insane, the best of the lot is a Mormon that the Christian conservative base just can't stand.
 
2011-12-13 03:53:10 PM
HighOnCraic: hubiestubert: To be fair, before any victory champagne is ordered, it might be well to see who actually gets the nod.

I do think that this is the election for the current leadership to lose, and with Congress digging their heels in, it is an excellent opportunity to clean house, but it would be better to see who gets the nod before uncorking those bottles.

A lot can happen between now and November. Even between the Primaries and November...

I'm not breaking out the champagne, but it's just a very bad sign that the two front-runners are losing to Obama in Bob Jones University's state.

/Fun fact: the original Bob Jones once said he'd rather see a Successful and Attractive African American elected president than a Catholic (referring to Al Smith's candidacy in in '28). I wonder what he'd have to say about a race between Obama and Gingrich . . .


Depends on whether or not Bob Jones would be a board member of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae in this alternate universe.
 
2011-12-13 03:53:55 PM
How can Barack Obama, as this new NBC/Marist poll has it, be beating Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in South Carolina, of all places?

More like Marxist poll, right guys?
 
2011-12-13 03:54:11 PM
Subby: Does this mean he's headed for a landslide victory next November?

Gene is smoking Obama at the polls. Gene Rick (R) 2012!
 
2011-12-13 03:54:58 PM
sigdiamond2000: MeinRS6: To be fair, there really is only one poll that matters.

That's right. The one that shows Obama losing.


Yeah, just like Fox News said it was important that they highlight the farkING OUTRAGE that is the fact Obama's daughters ate Asian-inspired food at school on 12/7.

//you can blow the Rasmussen out your ass
 
2011-12-13 04:00:28 PM
The only way I can see the GOP winning is if Romney takes a stance and sticks to it. Newt has too much luggage than just the affairs and Ron Paul, while having moments of reason, is overall crazy. And seeing the beating Romney took this week in the debate, Obama may as well cozy up in his chair.
 
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