I used to eat bacon like you, but then I took a cholesterol test.

To the knee.

Stupid work filter.

PoeGhost: That's kinda gross, actually. I mean, I like bacon as much as the next person but I would never wear it as a hat.

It really comes in handy during the Dark Baconhood quest line though

Need a Dispenser Here: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: On a related note, did anyone else think that the DB questline was probably the best part of the entire game? Played through it on a whim, and didn't want it to end.

I liked it, but I think the Dark Brotherhood quest line in Oblivion was better.


spoilers...

I noticed the difference in writing of the notes, but didn't think much of it. When I realized I was killing fellow members, I felt genuinely used.

Also, the house party quest in Oblivion is still probably my favorite 1/2 hour of gaming ever.

Just started the quest, I was about to go "d'oh, silly me, reading past a spoiler warning" but then I realised


"Fark it, I don't read books/notes anyway"

Need a Dispenser Here: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: On a related note, did anyone else think that the DB questline was probably the best part of the entire game? Played through it on a whim, and didn't want it to end.

I liked it, but I think the Dark Brotherhood quest line in Oblivion was better.


spoilers...

I noticed the difference in writing of the notes, but didn't think much of it. When I realized I was killing fellow members, I felt genuinely used.

Also, the house party quest in Oblivion is still probably my favorite 1/2 hour of gaming ever.

*SPOILERS*

The Skyrim DB quest definitely stuck with me more. The Emperor was just such a badass (literally staring death in the face and scoffing at it), and I immediately fulfilled his final request. Lucien was the best thing about the Oblivion DBs, and I was sad as hell when he was used as a scapegoat and brutally murdered. It was nice seeing him back in Skyrim, and his reunion with Shadowmere was great.

The House Party quest from Oblivion I will definitely agree with you. Top 10 quests of all time in my opinion. Couldn't tell you how many times I replayed it in different variations.

I did Blood on the Ice last night.

*spoiler* Got the evidence to incriminate the court wizard. Started to turn it in before I thought about it. Did I really want to kill off a vendor NPC for a measly quest reward? Wait, isn't there a guy in town who looks like he should be a vendor, but isn't? Doesn't he have nord embalming tools... right. Of course the game wouldn't let me run over there and just chop him in half and report in, so I had to go through this long process to finally "catch" him. But it was probably an unintended "meta" way to solve that quest.

Just started the DB quest last night so I can't add too much. It's fun so far though. The only downside is when you kill someone in town, even if you're completely hidden, the guards go all apeshiat.

Who knew?

PingTimeout: For most of the assassinations, you should be able to hide and sneak attack people. That will avoid agro and bounty. I recommend doing the Thieves Guild line first and getting the Shroud power to make this part easier. Oh, and don't bring a companion.

I believe the wedding is the only case where this will not work. I stumbled upon the gargoyle trick mentioned earlier.

To be fair I didn't try all to hard not to be caught. It was the first mission where they give you 3 people to kill. I killed one market when she was just aimless standing in the marked, around noon.

Yeah, there were people around. I'm in my full Nightingale armor and was hidden, but apparently as along as people see her die, it doesn't mean shiat for staying hidden.

I wrecked that town on my way out. biatches didn't even know what hit 'em. I went for the full GTA, started shouting everywhere, cutting throats, conjuring aurochs.....

I don't think I'm allowed back there.

Time Traveling Bunnies: PingTimeout: For most of the assassinations, you should be able to hide and sneak attack people. That will avoid agro and bounty. I recommend doing the Thieves Guild line first and getting the Shroud power to make this part easier. Oh, and don't bring a companion.

I believe the wedding is the only case where this will not work. I stumbled upon the gargoyle trick mentioned earlier.

To be fair I didn't try all too hard not to be caught. It was the first mission where they give you 3 people to kill. I killed one in a market when she was just aimlessly standing in the marked,t around noon.

Yeah, there were people around. I'm in my full Nightingale armor and was hidden, but apparently as along as people see her die, it doesn't mean shiat for staying hidden.

I wrecked that town on my way out. biatches didn't even know what hit 'em. I went for the full GTA, started shouting everywhere, cutting throats, conjuring aurochs.....

I don't think I'm allowed back there.

Wow. FTFM

Time Traveling Bunnies: To be fair I didn't try all to hard not to be caught. It was the first mission where they give you 3 people to kill. I killed one market when she was just aimless standing in the marked, around noon.

Yeah, there were people around. I'm in my full Nightingale armor and was hidden, but apparently as along as people see her die, it doesn't mean shiat for staying hidden.

I wrecked that town on my way out. biatches didn't even know what hit 'em. I went for the full GTA, started shouting everywhere, cutting throats, conjuring aurochs.....

I don't think I'm allowed back there.

That's how I've been handling things with my Heavy Armor/Shield/Orc. What's that, I'm supposed to steal something from inside that chick's house? Kill lady, take key, walk in. Hand item to NPC, move on.

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: I'm just starting Oblivion now (got the GOTY on steam for $10 or whatever), and my thief/marksman is tons of fun, but I dont want to do any quests because all the quest rewards are level-dependent.. and im only 8.

Should I just go do em? Go finish the main quest already, then level some in dungeons to do the side quests and DLCs?

Oblivion has the unfortunate distinction of enemies leveling with you. So pretty much any item you get from a quest will probably be replaced later when every bandit is decked out in glass armor and rocking end-game weapinry.

I suggest the PC mod to get rid of the leveling. Then you can do the quests whenever you want without worrying about finding that exact same item on a bandit the next time you level up.

Ugh, weapinry, really? Weaponry. Sorry.

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: Treygreen13: JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: I'm just starting Oblivion now (got the GOTY on steam for $10 or whatever), and my thief/marksman is tons of fun, but I dont want to do any quests because all the quest rewards are level-dependent.. and im only 8.

Should I just go do em? Go finish the main quest already, then level some in dungeons to do the side quests and DLCs?

Oblivion has the unfortunate distinction of enemies leveling with you. So pretty much any item you get from a quest will probably be replaced later when every bandit is decked out in glass armor and rocking end-game weapinry.

I suggest the PC mod to get rid of the leveling. Then you can do the quests whenever you want without worrying about finding that exact same item on a bandit the next time you level up.

If I level or console myself up, won't my gear be too low to survive vs mobs? So I'll have to console in higher gear anyway

No, the mod keeps the NPCs from leveling with you. So you can go into a noobie dungeon with basic bandits and they'll still be basic bandits. So you can walk in and just destroy them and feel like you have made progress, instead of returning to the same dungeon later and everyone is (somehow) your equal again.

I haven't played it in a while but some of the Mods went in an meticulously set the levels of certain dungeons/encounters so you could get in over you head or go stomp some faces, should you want to.

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: t3knomanser: Treygreen13: I suggest the PC mod to get rid of the leveling.

I just never slept. There was one quest that required sleeping, so I did that one early. I capped my level at around 10.

Huh?

In Oblivion the only way you could level up was sleeping in a bed. A lot of people basically played the game at lvl 5-15 because the enemies (and their gear) would scale with you, meaning if you went up too quickly (yay for jumping EVERYWHERE) you would end up screwed fairly quickly. By keeping your level low you made the enemies a lot easier. You could still do skill upgrades and all that, it's just your level # wouldn't change meaning enemies would stay lower.

Counter_Intelligent: t3knomanser: I just never slept. There was one quest that required sleeping, so I did that one early. I capped my level at around 10.

You level up automatically in Skyrim. Sleep not required.

Actually you don't level up automatically. If you never touch the LEVEL UP arrow in your menu, you will stay at whatever lvl you're currently at and so will enemies. Now as soon as you hit the LEVEL UP icon you have to level all the way to your current one. I made that mistake when I was trying to power level my guy but wanted to keep him low until I had enough skill points. Accidentally went up and had to select "Magika, Health, Stamina" 27 times in a row.

scottydoesntknow: JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: t3knomanser: Treygreen13: I suggest the PC mod to get rid of the leveling.

I just never slept. There was one quest that required sleeping, so I did that one early. I capped my level at around 10.

Huh?

In Oblivion the only way you could level up was sleeping in a bed. A lot of people basically played the game at lvl 5-15 because the enemies (and their gear) would scale with you, meaning if you went up too quickly (yay for jumping EVERYWHERE) you would end up screwed fairly quickly. By keeping your level low you made the enemies a lot easier. You could still do skill upgrades and all that, it's just your level # wouldn't change meaning enemies would stay lower.

I remember looking at the level-up tables and finding out that I had to have my guy swim until he hit level whatever in athletics, or whatever it was. It felt dumb having my guy just swim against a rock for 15 minutes.

Of course I did the same thing in Skyrim recently. Leveling up Heavy Armor was going so slow so I just found some Mudcrabs in a pond and let them do tiny little bits of damage to me for about an hour. Leveled Heavy Armor, Alteration, and Restoration pretty well there though.

I'm still not exactly sure how I have so many Sneak levels, considering my guy only sneaks up to encounters so he's not surprised. Then I'm running around banging everything with my axe and stealth be damned, nothing is going to kill me because I have 70 health potions and can chug them like a frat boy at a tailgate. I found a blood dragon the other day, hit Berserker Rage, and killed it before it was able to take off. That character is a little nuts.