I'm looking at you, Gates.

The Cincy coach said he was worried for his job after that fight.

jayhawk88: Alternate reading:

"CINCINNATI (AP) - An Ohio prosecutor said Monday he will use a horrible incident to get his name in the papers for his own self-promoting purposes, do nothing while the media warble-garbles about it for a few days, then on a Friday afternoon quietly release a presser saying that no charges will be filed."

Sadly, this is what will end up happening. I'm not saying they should be brought up on felony charges for this, but a misdemeanor blight on your record is appropriate.

The problem I have is if it isn't a one-on-one square-off. Two guys fighting each other should be dealt with by the schools and conferences.

But 3 on 1 or when a guy is down and people are kicking the shiat out of him? Charge them like the criminals they are.

If these idiots want to be MMA fighters, they can do that but not on basketball court.

I don't what people think are boundaries anymore. College and high school players running up on refs, even bumping them or knocking them down or worse. And Suh has done enough over his pro career to warrant a season or life-time ban.

UNC_Samurai: Pincy: Let's see, LaGarret Blount gets suspended by the coach for almost the whole season for his sucker punch and yet the worst any of these thugs got was a six game suspension, which in basketball terms is about 3 weeks. Why aren't the coaches indefinitely suspending the players involved in the fight?

"Thug" DRINK!

In all seriousness, the kid who threw the punch and the kid who kicked the guy when he was down need to be kicked off the team, at least for the rest of the season.

That's what I think. A sucker punch, stomping on a guy when he is down or two guys punching a guy whose arms are being held down by a coach is not fighting.

You ban these guys for a season or for life. Not just because of what they did but what others down the road will do if these guys aren't punished severely.

Compare what the stomper in the basketball game did to what Suh did in Green Bay. Two stompings. If Suh had been heavily punished for that incident and others in his record, the college kid might have though before he tried the same thing.

All that matters to me is that they pronounce it correctly. ZAY-vyer. None of this "Igzavier" crap.

Gates will definitely be charged. I knew it the minute i saw it.

Pincy: Why aren't the coaches indefinitely suspending the players involved in the fight?

Because the coaches get and keep their fat compensation for winning games.

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Gunny Highway: SuperChuck: Gunny Highway: Why were the Xavier kids allowed to meet with the media after the game? Seemed like a bad idea.

Especially since the coach should have known that they had the capacity to be that level of dumbass

That was not the time for the players to come out and talk about the game. It was clear to everyone watching what the players felt about the situation. The X coach should have come out and said something similar to what the Cinci coach said (he may have but it didnt get any press).

My brother is a Dayton grad and he is not looking forward to either of these games this year. SW Ohio is a tough place.

Mick Cronin of UC definitely told the media and public exactly what they wanted to hear right after the game whether he was completely genuine or not. I'm sure some of it was. Chris Mack of XU didn't do the same thing in regards to telling the media what they wanted to hear, at least not right after the game. He did address the whole thing some at that point but not some lengthy deal that seemed a bit much at times like Cronin had. X had a great press conference, which included Tu Holloway, on Sunday and the Chris Mack radio show on Monday night was very good too. Mack has said more than once that over the last two days that he, and the AD, Mike Bobinski, never should have allowed Holloway and Lyons to speak to the media right after that fight. They both said they weren't really thinking, which is understandable because they likely had their minds on damage control, but UC didn't let their players talk to the media until yesterday. That press conference had the players involved in front of a microphone apologizing. I wish XU had handled things better on Saturday. Getting Lyons and Wells, who threw punches Saturday, in front of the microphones and cameras to apologize wouldn't have hurt either.

The other thing that bugs me is the criticism of the suspensions. Jay Bilas had a great column on ESPN Insider today putting that all into perspective. Although, I think UC's Gates and Mbodj should have gotten more games, or kicked off the team, for their parts. No place in college basketball for that. Anyway, the suspensions were pretty much in line, or more severe, historically with past college basketball brawls, and he listed some examples. I've seen video of some of those and the XU-UC brawl was tame in comparison. Still doesn't make it right but there have been worse. Biggest difference between this one and others that have happened in the last 5 years, which haven't been many, is this was on national television and social media (i.e. instant info) has come such a long way more recently. The ignorant commenting by people on Saturday and Sunday, especially on ESPN.com, which always seems to be a train-wreck, was incredible. I'm sure the good folks at ESPN will happily use footage of the 2011 Shootout brawl in their promos for next year's game, whose date and time will be chosen by the network of course. The Evil Empire...

Everybody needs to remember that these are 18-22 year old kids involved in all of this. They all should have known better but we all made mistakes when we were young. I don't ever remember starting a bench-clearing brawl but I've had some transgressions.

/Embarrassed XU fan and grad school alum
//Roots for UC 364 days of the year though

jayhawk88: Alternate reading:

"CINCINNATI (AP) - An Ohio prosecutor said Monday he will use a horrible incident to get his name in the papers for his own self-promoting purposes, do nothing while the media warble-garbles about it for a few days, then on a Friday afternoon quietly release a presser saying that no charges will be filed."

Forgot to comment on the point of this thread. Yeah, Joe Deters sucks.