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make me some tea [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 01:49:21 PM
This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do partisan propaganda.
 
JerseyTim [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 01:50:51 PM
That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.
 
kingoomieiii [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 01:54:20 PM
JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

"I'm not even mad. That's impressive."
 
sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:00:57 PM
Non-staffer. Overstory zealous.
 
Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:05:19 PM
make me some tea: This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do partisan propaganda Fair and Balanced.

You libtards are missing the big picture. It's not about the math, it's about Obama destroying America.
 
Dinki [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:06:03 PM
They really are becoming a parody of themselves aren't they? John Stewart is going to be sending Ailes a big christmas card this year for all the material they provide his show.
 
make me some tea [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:07:50 PM
JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

I admit I had to look at that a bit before I realized what the bait and switch was there. My eyes focused solely on the graph, not the actual numbers. I mean that's just brilliant.
 
No YOU'RE a Towel [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:07:51 PM
[time-since-usurpation-of-power.jpg]
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:08:34 PM
Dinki: They really are becoming a parody of themselves aren't they? John Stewart is going to be sending Ailes a big christmas Hanukkah card this year for all the material they provide his show.
 
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:10:54 PM
No YOU'RE a Towel: [time-since-usurpation-of-power.jpg]

THAT'S RIGHT
i291.photobucket.com
 
Asa Phelps [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:20:12 PM
But i heard that they are increasing the chocolate ration next month, so that will be good.
 
Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark]
2011-12-12 02:32:41 PM
Asa Phelps: But i heard that they are increasing the chocolate ration next month, so that will be good.

LOL - That comment calls for a Victory Gin toast.
 
plastic_cow [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 05:09:20 PM
Asa Phelps: But i heard that they are increasing the chocolate ration next month, so that will be good.

That actually made me laugh out loud.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 06:43:36 PM
make me some tea: This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do partisan propaganda.

Don't get me wrong, you don't get more partisan than Fox but you also have to remember that they are stupid as shiat.
 
wingedkat [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 06:45:26 PM
mrshowrules: make me some tea: This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do partisan propaganda.

Don't get me wrong, you don't get more partisan than Fox but you also have to remember that they are stupid as shiat.

That's just what they want you to think.
 
RaceDTruck [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:13:11 PM
Asa Phelps: But i heard that they are increasing the chocolate ration next month, so that will be good.

Doubleplusgood! We're still at war with Eastasia, right?
 
DarnoKonrad
2011-12-13 07:31:42 PM
Stupid or Dishonest?
You Decide.
 
GleeUnit [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:34:02 PM
DarnoKonrad: Stupid or Dishonest?
You Decide.

Why do I have to decide? I usually rely on Fox News to make decisions for me...
 
SpaceButler [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:34:48 PM
RaceDTruck: Doubleplusgood! We're still at war with Eastasia, right?

We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:36:30 PM
GleeUnit: DarnoKonrad: Stupid or Dishonest?
You Decide.

Why do I have to decide? I usually rely on Fox News to make decisions for me...

That sounds both intellectually dishonest AND stupid. It's quite the conundrum.
 
Byno
2011-12-13 07:37:08 PM
www.ritholtz.com
 
codergirl42
2011-12-13 07:37:36 PM
Is that how you harmonize your statistics?
 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:38:49 PM
Someone please refresh my memory as to why Fox News is not basically following the Goebbel's playbook again...?
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:38:54 PM
hillbillypharmacist: No YOU'RE a Towel: [time-since-usurpation-of-power.jpg]

THAT'S RIGHT
[i291.photobucket.com image 640x483]

Guy it seems like it was just a few years ago when Bush's 25% approval rating meant "he is making tough choices!".
 
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:39:11 PM
make me some tea: JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

I admit I had to look at that a bit before I realized what the bait and switch was there. My eyes focused solely on the graph, not the actual numbers. I mean that's just brilliant.

It is very brilliant.

I'm wondering if it's also illegal.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-12-13 07:39:53 PM
Wow. I mean... Wow.

Ah, well. Came for time-since-usurpation-of-power.jpg, leaving satisfied.
 
RoyBatty
2011-12-13 07:40:31 PM
Fox News's graph is complete bullshiat.

So is Media Matters allowing anyone to get away with the meaningless unemployment number they use that drops off people that have been unemployed too long.

Remember that the unemployment rate is not "how many people don't have jobs?", but "how many people don't have jobs and are actively looking for them?" Let's say you've been looking fruitlessly for five months and realize you've exhausted every job listing in your area. Discouraged, you stop looking, at least for the moment. According to the government, you're no longer unemployed. Congratulations?

Since 2007, the percent of the population that either has a job or is actively looking for one has fallen from 62.7 percent to 58.5 percent. That's millions of workers leaving the workforce, and it's not because they've become sick or old or infirm. It's because they can't find a job, and so they've stopped trying. That's where Luce's calculation comes from. If 62.7 percent of the country was still counted as in the workforce, unemployment would be 11 percent. In that sense, the real unemployment rate -- the apples-to-apples unemployment rate -- is probably 11 percent. And the real un- and underemployed rate -- the so-called "U6" -- is near 20 percent.
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:41:08 PM
Gyrfalcon: make me some tea: JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

I admit I had to look at that a bit before I realized what the bait and switch was there. My eyes focused solely on the graph, not the actual numbers. I mean that's just brilliant.

It is very brilliant.

I'm wondering if it's also illegal.

Actual Fox news already went to court to say they are allowed to lie on their new casts and won.
 
xl5150
2011-12-13 07:41:28 PM
Maybe they're just using fewer significant digits at the end. Did anyone stop to think about that?
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-12-13 07:41:41 PM
Gyrfalcon: make me some tea: JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

I admit I had to look at that a bit before I realized what the bait and switch was there. My eyes focused solely on the graph, not the actual numbers. I mean that's just brilliant.

It is very brilliant.

I'm wondering if it's also illegal.

[bender-oh-wait-youre-serious.jpg]
 
Bartman66
2011-12-13 07:42:20 PM
Wow I don't know which is more pathetic. Fox for showing that stupid chart or Media Matters for having a column dedicated to crying about Fox news?
the old pot calling the kettle ..etc etc
 
Shaggy_C
2011-12-13 07:42:24 PM
I'm surprised they put the numbers up at all. Looks to be more mistake than deliberate lie.
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:42:42 PM
RoyBatty: So is Media Matters allowing anyone to get away with the meaningless unemployment number they use that drops off people that have been unemployed too long.

So it's unfair using the same stats that everyone has been using for the last 30 years all of a sudden?

Hey, I know lets follow the same rules for Obama we have used for all other presidents not magically changing become someone is in office.
 
GhostFish
2011-12-13 07:43:40 PM
DarnoKonrad: Stupid or Dishonest?
You Decide.

I have a hard time believing that in this day and age Fox News makes the charts completely by hand. If they're using software for chart and graph generation then it would actually take effort to produce this kind of error.
 
runwiz
2011-12-13 07:43:46 PM
Maybe 8.6 is close to 9.0 because they increased the 8.6 by the 2011 inflation rate.
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:44:03 PM
Bartman66: Wow I don't know which is more pathetic. Fox for showing that stupid chart or Media Matters for having a column dedicated to crying about Fox news?
the old pot calling the kettle ..etc etc

Well that actually had proof of their allegation. Where is yours?
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-12-13 07:44:37 PM
Bartman66: Wow I don't know which is more pathetic. Fox for showing that stupid chart or Media Matters for having a column dedicated to crying about Fox news?
the old pot calling the kettle ..etc etc

Yes, yes, calling lying motherfarkers on their lies is exactly as bad as the lies themselves, BSABSVR, we know, what the fark ever.
 
DarnoKonrad
2011-12-13 07:44:48 PM
RoyBatty: Fox News's graph is complete bullshiat.

So is Media Matters allowing anyone to get away with the meaningless unemployment number they use that drops off people that have been unemployed too long.

Remember that the unemployment rate is not "how many people don't have jobs?", but "how many people don't have jobs and are actively looking for them?" Let's say you've been looking fruitlessly for five months and realize you've exhausted every job listing in your area. Discouraged, you stop looking, at least for the moment. According to the government, you're no longer unemployed. Congratulations?

Since 2007, the percent of the population that either has a job or is actively looking for one has fallen from 62.7 percent to 58.5 percent. That's millions of workers leaving the workforce, and it's not because they've become sick or old or infirm. It's because they can't find a job, and so they've stopped trying. That's where Luce's calculation comes from. If 62.7 percent of the country was still counted as in the workforce, unemployment would be 11 percent. In that sense, the real unemployment rate -- the apples-to-apples unemployment rate -- is probably 11 percent. And the real un- and underemployed rate -- the so-called "U6" -- is near 20 percent.



If you're not looking for work, you're not in the workforce. It's that simple. There's no point including people who don't plan on getting a job. It's not some farking conspiracy.
 
Ken at Popehat [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:44:51 PM
Fox News: We Lie. In Fact, We Don't Even Respect You Enough To Lie Plausibly Well.
 
Bob Dolemite [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:45:12 PM
I like the "REAL" graph that shows uneployment numbers falling off the cliff. Reminds me of algore's inconvenient power point

Also, the first thing I went to was the numbers, not the graph.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-12-13 07:47:05 PM
RoyBatty: U6 even though it's dropping tracking U3 blah blah fishcakes

oi40.tinypic.com
 
DarnoKonrad
2011-12-13 07:47:08 PM
GhostFish: DarnoKonrad: Stupid or Dishonest?
You Decide.

I have a hard time believing that in this day and age Fox News makes the charts completely by hand. If they're using software for chart and graph generation then it would actually take effort to produce this kind of error.

I think they're all farking trolls. It's undoubtedly staffed by a bunch of assholes that think it's "funny" media matters even cares about "stupid" things like the truth. They look down on such pathetic creatures as objects of abuse and exploitation. They're sociopaths.
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:47:54 PM
Bob Dolemite: I like the "REAL" graph that shows uneployment numbers falling off the cliff. Reminds me of algore's inconvenient power point

Also, the first thing I went to was the numbers, not the graph.

Those are the numbers. So it's fake because you don't like them?
 
thamike
2011-12-13 07:48:11 PM
Fox News: We Know Our Audience.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2011-12-13 07:49:11 PM
Corvus: Bob Dolemite: I like the "REAL" graph that shows uneployment numbers falling off the cliff. Reminds me of algore's inconvenient power point

Also, the first thing I went to was the numbers, not the graph.

Those are the numbers. So it's fake because you don't like them?

These guys are slurping on BSABSVR like the cure for cancer's in there.
 
Corvus
2011-12-13 07:49:43 PM
Wow the butt hurt that Obama is improving the country in here is amazing.

It's always amusing to watch Republicans boo America doing better.
 
Bob Dolemite [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:50:38 PM
Corvus: Bob Dolemite: I like the "REAL" graph that shows uneployment numbers falling off the cliff. Reminds me of algore's inconvenient power point

Also, the first thing I went to was the numbers, not the graph.

Those are the numbers. So it's fake because you don't like them?

They do it on the stock shows, too. They make minor variations look like huge swings. They're not. That's my problem.

And no, I'm not disputing that the unemployment rate is 8.6%, and the month prior was 9.0%
 
Rent Party
2011-12-13 07:51:14 PM
Gyrfalcon: make me some tea: JerseyTim: That is kinda awesome. You gotta hand it to them.

I admit I had to look at that a bit before I realized what the bait and switch was there. My eyes focused solely on the graph, not the actual numbers. I mean that's just brilliant.

It is very brilliant.

I'm wondering if it's also illegal.

Why would it be illegal? The "news" has absolutely no responsibility to tell you the truth about anything.
 
Solty Dog [TotalFark]
2011-12-13 07:51:53 PM
Fox news caters to it's base. It's like how VH1 Classic plays older music videos. I would be shocked if they played Ke$ha.

I just don't understand the surprise.
 
Byno
2011-12-13 07:52:11 PM
Corvus: Wow the butt hurt that Obama is improving the country in here is amazing.

It's always amusing to watch Republicans boo America doing better.

Look, we have a Kenyan usurper working to make America's economy better. And, if the economy gets better, that legitimizes the usurper's method of becoming Usurper in Chief. That's just bad for America.

So, my question is, why do you hate America?@
 
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