Lambskincoat: For profit prison system, reason #3317 to never vote republican. Who let this stupid idea through?

Politicians and lobbyists that are paid by the for profit prison industry?
This isn't much better than kidnapping in some cases. They have no incentive for a fair and speedy trial.

Btw subby, I can't read NYT articles without logging in and enabling cookies. BS.

Confabulat: Anyone who doesn't know our prison system is a total profit deal has never been charged with a DUI.

I've known 2 people that got them after just a few drinks and the fees and 'diversion' programs were ridiculous. Also, if you can't pay the fines or the fees for your classes they can toss you back in jail.
My brother and his roommate got into some altercation a few years back, they'd been drinking and were both arrested. Anger management, alcohol assessment, ua's, etc for both of them.

This is unconstitutional as it violates due process (incentivizing conviction) and arguably violates cruel and unusual punishment as you are demanding payment from someone you know cannot work. If you want to punish them via a fine, do it, don't make the prison system a profitable venture that sucks the last bit of potential for a law-abiding life out of those in jail.

Prison industrial complex = Slavery, American style in the 21st century

It's a shame that they didn't comply with the Judge's order by releasing non-violent offenders or something like that.

We really need to be more progressive about our incarceration. I'd love to see the public cost of incarceration broken out per taxpayer.

Link farked? Won't open, so let me just ask: what Republican P.O.S. is supporting this because it is just exactly their flavor of stupid mixed with short-sighted served on a bed of immoral.

I wonder about something. If you're arrested and can't make or are denied bail, you're held in the local jail awaiting trial right? Presumably at $140 a day in this particular county. If it happens later that you're actually innocent or just found not guilty, do you still have to pay the rent, or can you tell the county to fark off?

RexTalionis: I'm insulted that you'd think I'd lie to you. But in any case, here's a source (preserved) from the New York Times.

Relevant bits:
For roughly $75 to $127 a day, these convicts - who are known in the self-pay parlance as "clients" - get a small cell behind a regular door, distance of some amplitude from violent offenders and, in some cases, the right to bring an iPod or computer on which to compose a novel, or perhaps a song.

Many of the overnighters are granted work furlough, enabling them to do most of their time on the job, returning to the jail simply to go to bed (often following a strip search, which granted is not so five-star).

Here's where they should focus their service. If they could improve in this area, then they could get away with charging even more.

Additionally, it's a jail, full of various restraints and punishment devices. Consider that some folks already pay well, to, umm...

Confabulat: Anyone who doesn't know our prison system is a total profit deal has never been charged with a DUI.

If you went to prison for DUI it wasn't a DUI, it was several.

I can understand the state wanting its money if you hit the lotto or something like that, but it is a bit much to want the average ex-con to pay for their stay with the type of jobs that they will be able to get. Unless you want them to resort to a life of crime again.

SnakeLee: This is going to spike recidivism too, which I am guessing is okay because anybody in jail is a "bad guy" and the city council who is gouging the poor are the lord's valiant heroes. Our legal system needs to be about rehabilitation whenever possible, the people they are doing this to are farking Americans. Americans shouldn't be treated this way, especially nonviolent offenders.

I got mine, fark you.

A hotel where they garnish your wages to pay for your room... which you didn't want in the first place.

Genevieve Marie: I wasn't born until 1984, so I don't know... how many people realized then just how bad some of these policies were going to be?

Pfft, they were commie pinko socialist welfare moms in Cadillacs. Who cares what they thought?

// I bet they were liberals, too

Frederick: Yikes.

Any more evidence needed that law enforcement is a for-profit venture?

On top of that, wouldn't it provide an incentive for law enforcement to arrest more people who can "afford" it?

FTA: "Prisoners with no assets will not have to pay, but the county has the ability to garnish wages and place liens on homes under the ordinance, which goes into effect this week."

In other words, Hello Mr. Sarsin we see you own a home. It'd be a shame if we had to haul you in for this minor speeding infraction.

Nonviolent offenders refers to people whose most recent crime was nonviolent.

Example of a nonviolent offender that can be released early:

1st Conviction: Rape
2nd Conviction: Rape
3rd Conviction: Rape
4th Conviction: Rape
5th Conviction: Rape
6th Conviction: Stole some lube, a ski mask, and some duct tape

Hope you guys are card-carrying Hoosegow members, wouldn't want to end up in The Clink.

And just like jail, nobody voluntarily spends the night in a hotel in Riverside County.

The revolving door of the justice system just started turning that much fasterrrrrr...

So don't pay for your incarceration. They arrest you again for non-payment. They let you out again to make money to pay for your incarceration. They put you back in for failing to pay again for your incarcerations. The cycle of jail life.

/Worst part is, they then outsource you to Alabama to do stuff that them illegals used to do before the Hitler in charge of Alabama made an illegal law demanding that all non-whites and non-southern accent people to carry 'papers, please'.

The land of permanent debt, one way or a fuquing 'nother.

Banker's Empire.

Surool: A hotel where they garnish your wages to pay for your room... which you didn't want in the first place.

Why not, comes with free rape?

Because releasing inmates with an increased debt load will cretainly ensure that they don't resort to a life of further crime!

Hey, as if putting someone in jail won't ruin their lives enough, let's bankrupt the farker and take their home while we're at it... brilliant!

FTFA: Why should the citizens of this county with other struggles be forced to pay for that? The Lindsay Lohans of the world can certainly pay for it themselves."

Sounds good in theory. The problem is that there aren't many millionaires in jail. I'm willing to bet that most are already poor.

Frederick: themindiswatching: "If our goal as a society is to rehabilitate people who have been in jail, then burdening them with another thing to pay when they are released is not the way to do it," Professor Dolovich said. "It could also create an incentive to deny bail just so that the county could be bringing in more money."

Yikes.

Any more evidence needed that law enforcement is a for-profit venture?

Law enforcement was always a for profit venture.
For the profits of chiefs, kings, dictators, capitalists, presidents, etc. etc.
Prison was an industry and for the purpose of profits and power long before the concept of a "prison-industrial complex" was spoken.

RexTalionis: themindiswatching: RexTalionis: California also have upscale jails where inmates (usually people who can afford it like, say, Paris Hilton) can leave during the day to go about their business, but return at night to be locked in. These prisons are also paid by the prisoners, usually to the tune of a few hundred bucks a night and usually allow additional amenities like cell-phone use or personal computers.

Source?

I'm insulted that you'd think I'd lie to you. But in any case, here's a source from the New York Times.

Relevant bits:
For roughly $75 to $127 a day, these convicts - who are known in the self-pay parlance as "clients" - get a small cell behind a regular door, distance of some amplitude from violent offenders and, in some cases, the right to bring an iPod or computer on which to compose a novel, or perhaps a song.

Many of the overnighters are granted work furlough, enabling them to do most of their time on the job, returning to the jail simply to go to bed (often following a strip search, which granted is not so five-star).

Wow, Some pigs are more equal then others.

Talk about 1 law for them and another for us.

Confabulat: Anyone who doesn't know our prison system is a total profit deal has never been charged with a DUI or domestic violence on a woman


Charged and found not guilty.

It's a phoney jobs program.

Marcus Aurelius: It's too bad we don't have some kind of supreme court that would actually enforce the provisions of the Constitution that are supposed to protect us from this crapola.

Only direct action from free people or prisoners themselves can enforce that.
The Constitution, at the end of the day, really is just a piece of paper that won't ensure anyone's rights unless the gangsters in blue/black suits and powder wigs feel like it.