Facts don't trump partisanship when it comes to voting. Neither side of the fence holds their own leaders to the same account as they do the opposition. Perception trumps all.

Facts are what elitists use to defend their job killing policies. Real leaders gauge a situation by what their gut and prayer tell them.

I can edit that for those who tl;dr. "Don't speak for other people and don't put words in their mouths. Speak for yourself."

AirForceVet: /So, what should we do then, Bobby?

I'm not certain, Airy. While the world isn't black and white, I don't think that many partisans will switch votes based upon erroneous facts presented in debates.

/feminism tribalism

Wow I'm really having a hard time caring about how the Republicans love spreading disinformation and making fools out of themselves when they get caught doing it...

WorldCitizen: Facts have no place in modern Republican ideology.

It's a primary debate. It's a contest of whoever can tell the most crowd-pleasing lie most convincingly and with the most conviction. You're probably safe assuming that every material claim they make is false.

Republicans convinced themselves that all democrats are liars, making it acceptable to lie.
You know, like how the 911 hijackers were allowed to drink and frequent strip clubs.

s2s2s2: making it acceptable to lie.
You know, like how the 911 hijackers were allowed to drink and frequent strip clubs.

Which were owned by Republicans.

They should have just made a list of all the times the candidates got it right.

/Article would have been a lot shorter is all I'm sayin'.

And Michele Bachmann recycled a bogus claim about projected job losses under the new federal health care law.

Rick Perry again falsely accused Romney of writing that the Massachusetts health care law should be a model for the nation,...

The Texas governor has made this claim a few times, though he used to say the nation had lost 2.5 million jobs...

It's not just the fact that it's derp.

It's the fact that it's all recycled derp.

If you are gonna derp at least have the simple courtesy to make up fresh nonsense from time to time in order to keep folks from getting bored.

quatchi: They should have just made a list of all the times the candidates got it right.

/Article would have been a lot shorter is all I'm sayin'.

And Michele Bachmann recycled a bogus claim about projected job losses under the new federal health care law.

Rick Perry again falsely accused Romney of writing that the Massachusetts health care law should be a model for the nation,...

The Texas governor has made this claim a few times, though he used to say the nation had lost 2.5 million jobs...

It's not just the fact that it's derp.

It's the fact that it's all recycled derp.

If you are gonna derp at least have the simple courtesy to make up fresh nonsense from time to time in order to keep folks from getting bored.

Look, the polls have said a couple of times that a placeholder candidate could beat Obama and PLACEHOLDER CANDIDATES THEY SHALL BE.

/so say we all

Bob_Laublaw: Facts don't trump partisanship when it comes to voting. Neither side of the fence holds their own leaders to the same account as they do the opposition. Perception trumps all.

Really? #Occupy your mind much?

These people are making leaders anyways which means: a) They believe what hey said, and are leading the USA with delusions and mistakes. OR b) They don't believe what they said, and therefore must not care if the public knows the basis for their decisions.

Either way, the debate suggests that elections in the US are not decided by reasonable debate about the basis of policies. Decisions are made without any appeal for public consent. So the public can ignore the debates and let their leaders continue to make decisions behind closed doors, or they can watch the debates and vote against faslehood, but they can't vote for truth (or even accurate data). So what makes the USA a republic, again? Plato's noble lie and a Guardian class, is it?

Weaver95: whidbey: s2s2s2: making it acceptable to lie.
You know, like how the 911 hijackers were allowed to drink and frequent strip clubs.

Which were owned by Republicans.

I find it difficult to believe that Republicans would own a strip club. Now...a gay bar, that I can believe. But a strip club with semi-naked womens!? never happen.

I wouldn't know for sure. I was merely compelled to contribute to the s2s2s2 trolloluniverse.

casual disregard: AirForceVet: Bachmann is just out in left right field.

Fix'd for technical clarity.

And Bachmann's husband is on the gridiron:

Weaver95: whidbey: /so say we all

there must be some way outta here said the joker to the thief...

Do you hear something?

My first green!

Bob_Laublaw: While the world isn't black and white

Oh it is, and the President is black.

You know what will be a great time? Watching the fundie mouth breathers stay home when their choice is between either a Mormon and a black man, or between a wife-swapping papist and a black man.

The real question will be will be, who will win the Steven Chu v. Paul Ryan 2016 matchup

Republicans and stupid people tend to think that the world is 1-dimensional and this 1 dimension neatly corresponds to good/bad, conservative/liberal, etc.

A fair number of them think the Nazis were leftist socialists because they cannot conceive of an independent dimension measuring authoritarianism.

Bob_Laublaw: Facts don't trump partisanship when it comes to voting. Neither side of the fence holds their own leaders to the same account as they do the opposition. Perception trumps all.

I can post hours of Librul pundits taking Obama, Pelosi, and Reid to task on all manner of issues.

I can also post hours and hours of Faux News pundits explaining away The Shrubs selling out on Conservative principles like balanced budgets, smaller gubment and nation building.

Why would they suddenly start telling the truth ?

I can't think of a quicker way to end up under the wheel of the RINO bus.

These liars are hailed as viable candidates, and huntsman, frankly the only choice for those who actually are republicans, is not invited? truly an unjust world we live in

whidbey: s2s2s2: making it acceptable to lie.
You know, like how the 911 hijackers were allowed to drink and frequent strip clubs.

Which were owned by Republicans.

They told us it was an inside job, they failed to mention that they meant "inside the champagne room."

Bob16: Why would they suddenly start telling the truth ?

I can't think of a quicker way to end up under the wheel of the RINO bus.

Like Herman Cain. Am I right?

HairBolus: Republicans and stupid people tend to think that the world is 1-dimensional and this 1 dimension neatly corresponds to good/bad, conservative/liberal, etc.


I've known two different people, total TeaTards, but otherwise very intelligent - having highly technical jobs and doing well at them. I asked both of them how in the hell they could sit there and spout the simplistic, and obviously wrong, crap that they do when it comes to politics. They both more or less said that politics is complicated and it's easier for them to just keep it simple, very simple.

And then there are those just born stupid, who usually identify with conservatism in the same way they identify with their favorite NASCAR driver or would cheer a witch burning.

casual disregard: Dusk-You-n-Me: Obama won't let whoever the GOP candidate is get away with that. It will be a real debate

That's not true. It won't be a real debate. It will be a massacre and the President will dine on the opposition candidate's blood.

Course, that won't change how the rightists vote.

Like my father, ... dad, i love you but....
He votes repub for one reason and one reason only.
Gun laws.
Dad is an avid hunter [deer, boar, antelop] his whole life.
I think he is scared to death someone is going to walk in his front door and take all his guns if he doesnt.

My faith is worth more than your facts.

dahmers love zombie: Apparently RON PAUL and Rick Santorum (new window)were factually correct.

Or so blitheringly out of touch with reality that they really couldn't be fact checked.

I vote for the second one there.

3 million jobs lost

the gud news is forever under Nobama

cuz he spent baby spent

/stealing winterwhile's thunder FTW
//though it felt dirty to even type like him

Most of the sportsmen out my way have figured out that if they keep voting for Republicans they'll wind up with no place to hunt or fish. Only about 10 percent of gun owners belong to the NRA anyway.

Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts.

_/obscure

Derwood: /

You DEM-O-RAT....

whidbey: Derwood: /

You DEM-O-RAT....

Ah, crap. How did I forget that?

I'll do better next thread

Ah ha ha ha ha ha