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2011-12-11 12:23:06 PM  
Board? WTF, dumbmitter? How do you fark up on a word as easy as bored?
 
2011-12-11 12:35:26 PM  
I blame bad coffee.
 
2011-12-11 02:25:10 PM  
It's almost like murder trials are serious business or something.
 
2011-12-11 03:35:38 PM  
Is the Dumbass tag on vacation?
 
2011-12-11 03:36:12 PM  
Can we just retire the antiquated notion of trial by jury and just start using technology?
 
2011-12-11 03:36:55 PM  
Criminal justice must not only be seen to be done, it must be seen to be believed.
 
2011-12-11 03:37:18 PM  
Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.
 
2011-12-11 03:38:19 PM  
I wouldn't know, I can't remember the last cup of bad coffee I had.
 
2011-12-11 03:38:27 PM  

The press is making hay over "juror tweeting voids death sentence", but reading further:

In the opinion summary of the appeal, the Arkansas Supreme Court wrote: "Because we conclude that the one juror sleeping and a second juror tweeting constituted juror misconduct, we reverse and remand for a new trial."
I suspect if there hadn't been a sleeping juror they'd have just let it go.
 
2011-12-11 03:39:26 PM  

DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.


Um, no.
 
2011-12-11 03:41:55 PM  
So all this came up after they found him guilty?
 
2011-12-11 03:42:07 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Can we just retire the antiquated notion of trial by jury and just start using technology?


The problem was some DUMBshiat using technology when he was specifically told not to. If I was defense counsel I would have pounced on the retard too.
 
2011-12-11 03:43:13 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.



What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!
 
2011-12-11 03:44:05 PM  
I think the coffee tweet is BS.

Sleeping seems like a pretty good reason to throw out the verdict though. It certainly would if it was me on trial.
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2011-12-11 03:44:38 PM  
Looks like some Arkansas dumba$$ needs to have his/her thumbs broken with a sledgehammer.
 
2011-12-11 03:45:10 PM  

ceejayoz: The press is making hay over "juror tweeting voids death sentence", but reading further:In the opinion summary of the appeal, the Arkansas Supreme Court wrote: "Because we conclude that the one juror sleeping and a second juror tweeting constituted juror misconduct, we reverse and remand for a new trial."I suspect if there hadn't been a sleeping juror they'd have just let it go.


And, the sentence wasn't "overturned." It's a do-over. New trial.
 
2011-12-11 03:45:34 PM  

ceejayoz: The press is making hay over "juror tweeting voids death sentence", but reading further:In the opinion summary of the appeal, the Arkansas Supreme Court wrote: "Because we conclude that the one juror sleeping and a second juror tweeting constituted juror misconduct, we reverse and remand for a new trial."I suspect if there hadn't been a sleeping juror they'd have just let it go.


The difference is that it's easier to get older readers by mentioning twitter. You do a story about someone falling asleep and, assuming the old people don't fall asleep halfway, they won't be shocked. But tell them some newfangled technology made them do it, and it becomes and easy curmudgeon fodder.
 
2011-12-11 03:46:23 PM  

wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!


Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.
 
2011-12-11 03:46:25 PM  
If you're on jury duty you should take it seriously, but with that being said I'm concerned being judged by a jury of my peers when they either don't want to really be there or can't even follow simple instructions from the judge. Because of these idiots money has to be spent to try this guy again.
 
2011-12-11 03:48:09 PM  

wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!


So if they're innocent white men, you don't care?
 
2011-12-11 03:48:48 PM  
wood_stones: What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!


(citation needed)
 
2011-12-11 03:49:30 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.


He meant innocent people murdered by the state. But yes, your situation is far worse still.
 
2011-12-11 03:50:19 PM  

taurusowner: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

So if they're innocent white men, you don't care?


Um... why do you keep bringing race into this? An innocent man being murdered is horrible, regardless of who does it, and regardless of their race. I'm a bit confused by your focus on ethnicity.
 
2011-12-11 03:50:34 PM  

skinink: If you're on jury duty you should take it seriously, but with that being said I'm concerned being judged by a jury of my peers when they either don't want to really be there or can't even follow simple instructions from the judge. Because of these idiots money has to be spent to try this guy again.


Don't be so harsh, maybe he's narcoleptic.

/how many s's in innocent?
 
2011-12-11 03:53:47 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.


I Read you loud a clear. Here is the kicker.

What if the state rounded up the wrong man for the 4-year rape rape scenario? If the state then murders this innocent man, then that is the case where ... "the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state."

Are you that farking dense? or trollin' ? Who cares!
 
2011-12-11 03:55:55 PM  

DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.


Generally I would be in favor of allowing the victim's family to carry out the execution using dull butter knives, if that is what you are suggesting.
 
2011-12-11 03:56:44 PM  

wood_stones:
I Read you loud a clear. Here is the kicker.

What if the state rounded up the wrong man for the 4-year rape rape scenario? If the state then murders this innocent man, then that is the case where ... "the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state."

Are you that farking dense? or trollin' ? Who cares!


Even if you assume that everyone on death row is innocent, it still doesn't make capital punishment the "most heinous" form of murder.
 
2011-12-11 03:57:42 PM  

wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.

I Read you loud a clear. Here is the kicker.

What if the state rounded up the wrong man for the 4-year rape rape scenario? If the state then murders this innocent man, then that is the case where ... "the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state."

Are you that farking dense? or trollin' ? Who cares!


You said rape twice.
 
2011-12-11 03:59:50 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.


Most disagreements are really about word definitions. What does "heinous" mean and what does "convicted murderer" mean?

Regarding the definition of heinous. In the psychopath case if you consider that he is a psychopath (i.e. mentally ill) then it is not necessarily heinous at all despite being horrible. Heinous usually means "extremely criminal", but mental illness can make someone not criminally responsible despite performing an outwardly criminal act. Heinous, to me, like the words "evil", "criminal", etc. implies a certain consciousness and mental awareness by the perpetrator, but of course it is really an argument over definitions.

The state execution is obviously fully conscious, and to me rises to the level of heinous if there are known flaws, unreasonable bureaucracies, and systematic callousness. You said "convicted murderer" but as we know that doesn't even mean a real murderer in our current systems. You need to replace "convicted" with "possible" to reflect the reality of what we do.

So, depending on your definition, the conscious execution of a person by a system that callously and bureaucratically disregards the flaws in the process does rise to quite a high level of heinousness.
 
2011-12-11 04:00:54 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: I wouldn't know, I can't remember the last cup of bad coffee I had.


Try some $tarbuck$.

/Am I doing it right?
 
2011-12-11 04:01:57 PM  
The criminal justice system is racist. Sorry, I thought everyone knew that.
 
2011-12-11 04:02:51 PM  
It's not farked up that jurors were goofing off during a murder trial. It's farked up that this guy getting a new trial means that we've actually taken a huge step in the right direction.

(tl;dr version of the link: sleeping juror in your death penalty case bad, sleeping defense attorney worse)
 
2011-12-11 04:03:04 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Eh, in my opinion, a psychopath raping, burning, and strangling to death a 4 year old girl is a bit more heinous than a convicted murderer being put down in prison. But that's just me.


Why yes, committing murder is not as serious as committing murder along with two additional violent crimes. And kudos on your condescending "think of the children" twist to your logical fallacy.

Yet, no one else was trying to claim that committing murder wasn't as serious as committing murder and two other violent crimes. What was said was that if two assassinations were committed, one by the state and another by any random person, then the state being off murdering their citizens was indeed more troubling and dangerous. And no matter how many appeals to "think of the children" type of silliness you try to pull, I believe you are compelled to agree with that.

If not, then please do tell how acceptable it is for your state to be off murdering children.
 
2011-12-11 04:04:54 PM  
<b>wood_st ones</b>:<i>What if the state rounded up the wrong man for the 4-year rape rape scenario? If the state then murders this innocent man, then that is the case where ... "the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state."

Are you that farking dense? or trollin' ?</i>

Ok. I'll use a perfect example of an actual case, and you tell me if you're against the death penalty.

Let's say, for example, a man previously convicted and released after serving time for a drug murder, murders 7 people just because his brother and his wife had offended him. He does this after taking all seven people, including four children, hostage in a house, ties them up, and kills them shooting them one by one in the face with a shotgun while the others watch. After three, he runs out of ammo, goes to the kitchen, obtains a butcher knife, and begins stabbing the survivors, dozens of times, and torturing the children. The two that do survive, one with enough force used on him to drive a blade into his frontal lobe and break it off, identify him by his name and tell investigators the exact events. Forensic evidence as well as ballistic evidence places the man at the scene of a crime. The man confesses to it, and this confession is aired on national television - the First 48 - after he is advised of his miranda rights. He admits to details of the crime withheld from the public by police, that only he would know. He then goes on to admit that he murdered them all because he didn't want his brother's children surviving, and that he was mad because his brother stole his jacket and his ex-girlfriend. The man even admits to having done it to several friends, and that "The police are so stupid they'll think a gang did it." There is solid, incontrovertable evidence in the case that proves this person did this crime.

Do you think the death penalty is warrented in this case?
 
2011-12-11 04:07:12 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Even if you assume that everyone on death row is innocent, it still doesn't make capital punishment the "most heinous" form of murder.



Please do explain how exactly do you believe that having the state assassinating any random person is more acceptable than having some deranged person doing it. And please do tell how that fits in your notion that the mission of a state is to protect their citizens and protect rights such as those specified in the universal declaration of human rights.
 
2011-12-11 04:09:02 PM  

BronyMedic: Do you think the death penalty is warrented in this case?


repeatably
 
2011-12-11 04:12:56 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Can we just retire the antiquated notion of trial by jury and just start using technology?


Agrees

4.bp.blogspot.com

cause, you know, nothing could go wrong with that idea either.
 
2011-12-11 04:15:32 PM  
I think if you showed the man the error of his ways, I'm sure he.....wait...did you say he tortured children??!?

I don't know what to do with crazy people. Honestly, it's a conundrum. I say street justice - but that is just me, at this moment.

You are officially playing the "what if" game, and I don't really want to play.

I'm not against people getting murdered for their crimes. Good thing I'm never killed anyone though, so I don't have to stop and think : "did they deserve it?"

I am against the state doing the murdering though, because they have so many incentives to just catch "whoever".
 
2011-12-11 04:17:05 PM  
Just checked Teen Wolf Blitzer's profile.

Yep...Florida
 
2011-12-11 04:20:09 PM  

Freschel: Nina Haagen Dazs: I wouldn't know, I can't remember the last cup of bad coffee I had.

Try some $tarbuck$.

/Am I doing it right?


Nah, $tarbuck$ is over priced and over rated. Eight O'Clock/grinder/french press FTW!
 
2011-12-11 04:20:55 PM  
wood_stones: I think if you showed the man the error of his ways, I'm sure he.....wait...did you say he tortured children??!?

I don't know what to do with crazy people. Honestly, it's a conundrum. I say street justice - but that is just me, at this moment.

You are officially playing the "what if" game, and I don't really want to play.

I'm not against people getting murdered for their crimes. Good thing I'm never killed anyone though, so I don't have to stop and think : "did they deserve it?"

I am against the state doing the murdering though, because they have so many incentives to just catch "whoever".


Actually, I'm not. I just described, in summary, the Jessie Dodson case out of Memphis. It's also know by it's popular name - the Lester Street Massacre. Dodson wasn't crazy. He didn't kill out of religious or political motivation. He killed out of rage that his brother let him go to prison for a drug murder they both commited, and that he took his girlfirend and married her, and had kids, while he was in prison. Their only crime was simply existing.

Even after the taped confession got thrown out because it was a private company who filmed it, and not the Police, there was still enough incontrovertable forensic and criminal evidence to convict on all charges.

Personally, in cases like this, I'm ok with society putting down a rabid animal. There's no slippery slope, no chance of innocence. It's a cut and dry case of guilty, determined by a jury of his peers, and after being given a fair trial and good defense.
 
2011-12-11 04:20:58 PM  

BronyMedic: <b>wood_st ones</b>:<i>What if the state rounded up the wrong man for the 4-year rape rape scenario? If the state then murders this innocent man, then that is the case where ... "the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state."

Are you that farking dense? or trollin' ?</i>

Ok. I'll use a perfect example of an actual case, and you tell me if you're against the death penalty.

Let's say, for example, a man previously convicted and released after serving time for a drug murder, murders 7 people just because his brother and his wife had offended him. He does this after taking all seven people, including four children, hostage in a house, ties them up, and kills them shooting them one by one in the face with a shotgun while the others watch. After three, he runs out of ammo, goes to the kitchen, obtains a butcher knife, and begins stabbing the survivors, dozens of times, and torturing the children. The two that do survive, one with enough force used on him to drive a blade into his frontal lobe and break it off, identify him by his name and tell investigators the exact events. Forensic evidence as well as ballistic evidence places the man at the scene of a crime. The man confesses to it, and this confession is aired on national television - the First 48 - after he is advised of his miranda rights. He admits to details of the crime withheld from the public by police, that only he would know. He then goes on to admit that he murdered them all because he didn't want his brother's children surviving, and that he was mad because his brother stole his jacket and his ex-girlfriend. The man even admits to having done it to several friends, and that "The police are so stupid they'll think a gang did it." There is solid, incontrovertable evidence in the case that proves this person did this crime.

Do you think the death penalty is warrented in this case?


These arguments ask the wrong questions, IMO.
1. How many innocents are you willing to kill to achieve the execution of your hypothetical for-sure murderer? (i.e. what % of innocents dead is acceptable in the capital punishment system.)
2. What part of our legal or governmental system has convinced you that it is operating efficiently, effectively and accurately enough that you feel like it's a good idea to trust them with the legal ability to decide who lives and who dies?
3. As long as there's a legal death penalty, Texas will use it. Are you comfortable with enabling that, given Texas' propensity to find every person(especially minorities, but crackers too) who is accused of a crime guilty of that crime?
 
2011-12-11 04:22:17 PM  
My thoughts on this are that unless he tweeted things directly related to the case I don't see why it should be overturned.

Bad coffee complaints, thoughts on the difficulty and weight of being a juror, thoughts on heat etc...I don't see how those influence the case at all in the level of the tweets.

If he was like "This guy is SO guilty." then ya, i can see the issue. Otherwise whats he problem?

Or did I misread something..
 
2011-12-11 04:25:19 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs


Freschel: Nina Haagen Dazs: I wouldn't know, I can't remember the last cup of bad coffee I had.

Try some $tarbuck$.

/Am I doing it right?

Nah, $tarbuck$ is over priced and over rated. Eight O'Clock/grinder/french press FTW!


I believe Freschel was giving Nina Haagen Dazs an example of how to conjure a memory of bad coffee. Bad. As in "not good". Also as in "not FTW".
 
2011-12-11 04:26:38 PM  
i291.photobucket.com

Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shiat but, hey, I'm in a police station on a jury.
 
2011-12-11 04:26:40 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Nina Haagen Dazs

Freschel: Nina Haagen Dazs: I wouldn't know, I can't remember the last cup of bad coffee I had.

Try some $tarbuck$.

/Am I doing it right?

Nah, $tarbuck$ is over priced and over rated. Eight O'Clock/grinder/french press FTW!


I believe Freschel was giving Nina Haagen Dazs an example of how to conjure a memory of bad coffee. Bad. As in "not good". Also as in "not FTW".


oh.
 
2011-12-11 04:27:28 PM  
Dr._Love: 1. How many innocents are you willing to kill to achieve the execution of your hypothetical for-sure murderer?

And this is why you enact laws and rules for the implementation of the death penalty to be for cases where there is no reasonable doubt, and reliable scientific and forensic evidence linking that person to the crime. Systems like that ensure that abominations, such as the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, do not occur.

Dr._Love: 2. What part of our legal or governmental system has convinced you that it is operating efficiently, effectively and accurately enough that you feel like it's a good idea to trust them with the legal ability to decide who lives and who dies?

That's a strawman question. If you are making that argument, then it could apply to the entire justice system. What has convinced you that any person is guilty of a crime they have been accused of? With Government incompetance, why, they're all innocent, to be quite honest, according to that logic. That's why we, as a system of law, have rules in terms of evidence which are used to convict an individual, and the principal of presumed innocence. Again, see answer to question one.

Dr._Love: 3. As long as there's a legal death penalty, Texas will use it. Are you comfortable with enabling that, given Texas' propensity to find every person(especially minorities, but crackers too) who is accused of a crime guilty of that crime?

Again. See the answer to one.
 
2011-12-11 04:34:58 PM  

skinink: If you're on jury duty you should take it seriously, but with that being said I'm concerned being judged by a jury of my peers when they either don't want to really be there or can't even follow simple instructions from the judge. Because of these idiots money has to be spent to try this guy again.


Juries are stacked full of wishy washy idiots. They don't like people who are too smart or think for themselves. They want people who are easily swayed emotionally. I've seen trials on tv, they are boring as hell. If for some reason I would ever get picked for a jury I'd tell them whatever the cop said is automatically a lie.
 
2011-12-11 04:37:34 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: taurusowner: wood_stones: Teen Wolf Blitzer: DarkVader: Hey, anything to stop a murder.

And the most heinous kind of murder is a murder by the state.

Um, no.


What the fark? Umm.. yes it is.

The state of Alabama puts plenty of innocent dark men down. Three cheers to them for pretending to do justice! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray! hip hip hooray!

So if they're innocent white men, you don't care?

Um... why do you keep bringing race into this? An innocent man being murdered is horrible, regardless of who does it, and regardless of their race. I'm a bit confused by your focus on ethnicity.


I didn't realize one post on something was a focus. Thanks for the memo.
 
2011-12-11 04:41:22 PM  
God dammit. FOLLOW THE RULES farkWITS.

this is why we cant have nice things.
 
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