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shinysign

2011-12-11 09:30:18 AM

Eh, you could tell he was just pissed off at the question. I doubt he really meant it.

This whole, "Democratic party are the real winners of the debates" thing seems to be a 2012 trend. "The real winners? The Democratic Party!" Catchy, catchy, catchy.

WTF Indeed

2011-12-11 11:20:59 AM

shinysign: Eh, you could tell he was just pissed off at the question. I doubt he really meant it.

You sure? I'll bet you're wrong.

Somacandra

2011-12-11 11:23:34 AM

"Perry? He'll be out before we the get the check."

FlashHarry

2011-12-11 11:58:56 AM

that was a HUGE unforced error. hilarious.

hubiestubert

2011-12-11 12:10:26 PM

Both were unavailable for comment...

Beerguy

2011-12-11 12:21:04 PM

Mitt is in real trouble.

The Mormon Church has strong covenants against gambling.

Dusk-You-n-Me

2011-12-11 12:22:13 PM

shinysign: I doubt he really meant it.

At what point while he offered to make the bet and stuck his hand out for a handshake did he not mean it?

Diogenes

2011-12-11 12:31:57 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: shinysign: I doubt he really meant it.

At what point while he offered to make the bet and stuck his hand out for a handshake did he not mean it?

His fingers on his other hand were crossed.

herrDrFarkenstein

2011-12-11 12:33:36 PM

Beerguy: Mitt is in real trouble.

The Mormon Church has strong covenants against gambling.

He should have wagered a wife.

Mad Tea Party

2011-12-11 12:34:14 PM

Beerguy: Mitt is in real trouble.

The Mormon Church has strong covenants against gambling.

Not really. Most Mormons will go "meh" at this.

Gosling

2011-12-11 12:36:56 PM

shinysign: Eh, you could tell he was just pissed off at the question. I doubt he really meant it.

Romney ought to know better than to think that matters in a debate aftermath. All anyone has to go on in a debate are your words, as you say them. I'm pretty versed in looking up news and I'm having a hard time finding people who are even bothering to note what the $10,000 bet was even for. All anyone is reporting is that he made the bet. Nobody cares why.

MFAWG

2011-12-11 12:38:00 PM

FlashHarry: that was a HUGE unforced error. hilarious.

This bears repeating.

PanicMan

2011-12-11 12:38:04 PM

hubiestubert: Both were unavailable for comment...

He should've countered with a $1 bet.

you are a puppet

2011-12-11 12:38:24 PM

I liked the line. People would lie less if someone else was always there to call them on it with $10000 at stake.

Beerguy

2011-12-11 12:40:42 PM

Mad Tea Party: Beerguy: Mitt is in real trouble.

The Mormon Church has strong covenants against gambling.

Not really. Most Mormons will go "meh" at this.

True, but the media will jump on it.

MFAWG

2011-12-11 12:41:04 PM

you are a puppet: I liked the line. People would lie less if someone else was always there to call them on it with $10000 at stake.

So Romney (and Gingrich) DIDN'T support an individual mandate to purchase health insurance?

12349876

2011-12-11 12:42:23 PM

The top 1% only bet in 10k increments.

StopLurkListen

2011-12-11 12:43:30 PM

This is bad news for Democrats ... I'll bet.

182

2011-12-11 12:44:04 PM

MFAWG: FlashHarry: that was a HUGE unforced error. hilarious.

This bears repeating.

you can say that again.

stoli n coke

2011-12-11 12:45:10 PM

I'm amazed that Perry would even have 10-grand to bet. I figured he negotiated to be paid in magic beans.

Gosling

2011-12-11 12:46:00 PM

MFAWG: you are a puppet: I liked the line. People would lie less if someone else was always there to call them on it with $10000 at stake.

So Romney (and Gingrich) DIDN'T support an individual mandate to purchase health insurance?

Congratulations. You are the first person I have seen outside the debate to actually mention what the bet was over.

The context of the bet is irrelevant. It could have been over healthcare, it could have been over the Patriots/Redskins game. It doesn't matter. All anyone is hearing is "Romney made a $10,000 bet" and they are going to have to work their ass off if they want to find out why.

The Name

2011-12-11 12:48:42 PM

What I like about this gaffe by Romney is that he couldn't have chosen a better number. Had he said a million dollars, we could easily brush it off as some over-the-top sort of bet that people tend to make in jest. But ten thousand? No, that's the sort of money people like Romney actually throw down when they make a bet, and that side of him is the LAST thing Romney wanted to come out in this debate.

Goodfella

2011-12-11 12:49:37 PM

Uncanny

redmond24

2011-12-11 12:50:40 PM

So.....

Gingrich V Romney

Ultimately, Romney's problem is that he's a secret moderate.

Skleenar

2011-12-11 12:50:57 PM

Why do I hear "Yakety Sax" run through my head whenever I see any of the GOP candidates?

quatchi

2011-12-11 12:51:52 PM

Perry looks like a schmuck for backing down from a talking point he's been pushing for months. Also the fact that he woulda lost that bet has to factor there as well.

Romney looks like an out of touch fat cat and Huntsman will make as much hay as he can with the Mormon community who frown on all forms of gambling on his 10kbet website.

Dems are pushing that "fat cat" line as hard as they can with the #what10kbuys hashtag on Twitter so, yeah, the argument that they are the ones who really won that fight has some weight.

The GOP debates have turned into a bit of a firing squad by this time and in keeping with the reasoning on display there it is a circular one.

salvador.hardin

2011-12-11 12:52:52 PM

It was an emotional anti-robot moment, which is good for Romney. It establishes that he will fight for his reputation. It also plays well with the "bring em on" crowd and sets the tone for robustly challenging the "flip flopper" charge that he is going to be dealing with all year. Perry's not going to make it out of the first round in the caucuses, and this gives Romney a shot at getting some of his "tough guy" support in the later rounds.

tomWright

2011-12-11 12:52:53 PM

Goodfella: [i44.tinypic.com image 401x271]

Uncanny

This is more uncanny

reason.com

gravy chugging cretin.

2011-12-11 12:53:59 PM

Perry backed down and looked weak and foolish. Romney won. End of story.

Aexia

2011-12-11 12:54:13 PM

Corvus

2011-12-11 12:54:29 PM

redmond24: So.....

Gingrich V Romney

Ultimately, Romney's problem is that he's a secret moderate.

He is not a moderate. He just says whatever it takes to get him elected.

Corvus

2011-12-11 12:56:13 PM

salvador.hardin: It was an emotional anti-robot moment, which is good for Romney. It establishes that he will fight for his reputation. It also plays well with the "bring em on" crowd and sets the tone for robustly challenging the "flip flopper" charge that he is going to be dealing with all year.

Are you trying to pretend Romney wasn't for the mandate?

I love the spin in this thread "Romney was wrong but he looked tough, so it's ok he is lying!"

you are a puppet

2011-12-11 12:56:44 PM

MFAWG: you are a puppet: I liked the line. People would lie less if someone else was always there to call them on it with $10000 at stake.

So Romney (and Gingrich) DIDN'T support an individual mandate to purchase health insurance?

Oh, is that what the question was? Haha. I only saw the bet in highlights, not what it referred to. But I still think people should make big bets more often in these conversations.

Gosling

2011-12-11 01:00:14 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: Perry backed down and looked weak and foolish. Romney won. End of story.

Again. The context of the debate doesn't even factor. Perry may have ceded a point in a straight high school-debate sense, but in an election sense, he made the right call by leaving Romney to hang on his own. If he takes the bet, he hangs right along with Romney.

PonceAlyosha

2011-12-11 01:00:49 PM

What a bunch of farking morons. Jesus Christ, Mitt Romney do you even WANT to be president?

saintstryfe

2011-12-11 01:01:39 PM

quatchi: Dems are pushing that "fat cat" line as hard as they can with the #what10kbuys hashtag on Twitter so, yeah, the argument that they are the ones who really won that fight has some weight.

hehe... i just did the math - you can play WoW for 666 months (54 and a half years) for 10,000 dollars.

/6 years down...

laserhan

2011-12-11 01:04:59 PM

Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

RyogaM

2011-12-11 01:06:32 PM

you are a puppet: MFAWG: you are a puppet: I liked the line. People would lie less if someone else was always there to call them on it with $10000 at stake.

So Romney (and Gingrich) DIDN'T support an individual mandate to purchase health insurance?

Oh, is that what the question was? Haha. I only saw the bet in highlights, not what it referred to. But I still think people should make big bets more often in these conversations.

Well, close. Romeny says he's okay with states, not the federal government, creating individual mandates and that he did not intend Romney care to be some sort of nation-wide program. Perry claimed that Romney stated in his book that he believed Romeny care should be a nationwide program. Romney said, nope, not in the book. Then made the bet. People this morning on the news programs say Romney would win the bet.

stoli n coke

2011-12-11 01:11:15 PM

NeverDrunk23

2011-12-11 01:12:30 PM

Skleenar: Why do I hear "Yakety Sax" run through my head whenever I see any of the GOP candidates?

Really? All I hear is a massive train crash.

laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

That's just the GOP candidates. Look at the GOP base who happily vote for the people who flat-out admit they will f*ck over the base repeatedly.

hubiestubert

2011-12-11 01:13:09 PM

laserhan

2011-12-11 01:13:44 PM

stoli n coke: laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

BECAUSE SOSHULIZM!

But I mean... Sure OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH SOCIALISIM BOOGEYMAN. But even farking Taiwan, which was founded on the very principal of NOT COMMUNIST has a form of universal health care.

Its a little absurd.

Maybe not as absurd as STILL not having adopted the Metric System, but pretty farking absurd.

The Name

2011-12-11 01:15:01 PM

laserhan

2011-12-11 01:20:09 PM

hubiestubert: laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

I believe that one graphic sums up the real opposition to health care reform...

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x512]

Who does it eliminate though? Universal Healthcare doesn't put insurance companies out of work as there is still homeowners, auto, life, etc... It creates more jobs for mindless bureaucrats to run the healthcare system, it guarantees doctors salaries.

Don't Troll Me Bro!

2011-12-11 01:22:10 PM

laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

Just like you I am also being completely serious here and not trolling at all. Americans are a bunch of goddamned idiots. We really are. I'm to the point where I want either the R's to take complete control and watch this whole place degrade into a Christian version of Afghanistan within 15 years, or see the end of the R's so we can start making some serious progress and hopefully avoid being left in the dust.

Serious Black

2011-12-11 01:23:38 PM

laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

I'll try and put this into simple terms. The Republican Party unabashedly cares about the super-rich, and the Democratic Party does so while making veiled overtures at caring about everyone else. Establishing a universal health care program would make the super-rich pay a lot more towards helping out people that are not themselves or their family members, so they oppose it out of self-interest for their bottom line and spend huge sums of money supporting potential legislators who also oppose it.

Fat-D

2011-12-11 01:27:03 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: or see the end of the R's so we can start making some serious progress and hopefully avoid being left in the dust.

THIS

Going back "to the way things were" just is not going to help us.

redmond24

2011-12-11 01:27:27 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

Just like you I am also being completely serious here and not trolling at all. Americans are a bunch of goddamned idiots. We really are. I'm to the point where I want either the R's to take complete control and watch this whole place degrade into a Christian version of Afghanistan within 15 years, or see the end of the R's so we can start making some serious progress and hopefully avoid being left in the dust.

www.appstate.edu

Republicans can feel your anger.

hubiestubert

2011-12-11 01:27:34 PM

laserhan: hubiestubert: laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

I believe that one graphic sums up the real opposition to health care reform...

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x512]

Who does it eliminate though? Universal Healthcare doesn't put insurance companies out of work as there is still homeowners, auto, life, etc... It creates more jobs for mindless bureaucrats to run the healthcare system, it guarantees doctors salaries.

It does right now. It also has efforts to control costs--which is the real fear. The feeding frenzy over the last fifteen years is almost over, and the pigs at the trough aren't about to let anyone shove them away from it.

Ultimately, we are going to realize that a single payer system is the only way that most Americans will be able to get decent care. That realization has to be put off for as long as possible, to get as much cash out of pockets as possible, and squirreled away into offshore accounts as quick as possible. It is about looting the system and gaming it for as long as folks can, because when the party is done, it will be done for good. And the folks invested in it are looking out to keep us on the hook for as long as they can.

It isn't about what is efficient. It isn't about the good of the nation. It's about maximizing profit for an industry for as long as they can, before having to change their business model, and socking away as much of our cash as possible first.

NeverDrunk23

2011-12-11 01:28:58 PM

Serious Black: laserhan: Can I ask an honest completely non trolling question? I am not American, and have no say in the matter, but I don't understand how you can oppose something that has improved the lifestyle of every single other country that has adopted it worldwide. Is there any country that has adopted some form of universal healthcare and been worse off because of it? I don't think so.

I just dont understand why anyone would oppose something that has so clearly been effective, if not 100% of the time, then at least 99% of the time.

I'll try and put this into simple terms. The Republican Party unabashedly cares about the super-rich, and the Democratic Party does so while making veiled overtures at caring about everyone else. Establishing a universal health care program would make the super-rich pay a lot more towards helping out people that are not themselves or their family members, so they oppose it out of self-interest for their bottom line and spend huge sums of money supporting potential legislators who also oppose it.

So, it can be summed up simply as:

Greed.

No matter how much money they have, way more than enough to comfortably live out their days with little complications they couldn't handle money-wise, they still want more.

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