Kill a "job creator" and crawl up inside them.

All good, as long as they don't raise taxes!!

/snark

It's part of the government's overall plan to reduce social security payments one cold snap at a time.

JesusJuice: Kill a "job creator" and crawl up inside them.

"And I thought they-"

*looks at Ed Finnerty*

.... F*(k.

What do you mean a career in waitressing doesn't prepare you for a comfortable retirement?!

Let them eat cake.

Handouts for all.

BumpInTheNight: What do you mean a career in waitressing doesn't prepare you for a comfortable retirement?!

And the real death panel rolls into town.

JesusJuice: Kill a "job creator" and crawl up inside them.

THIS

"Families in New England, where the winters are long and cold and people rely heavily on costly oil heat, are expected to be especially hard hit. Many poor and elderly people on fixed incomes struggle with rising heating bills that can run into thousands of dollars. That can force them to cut back on other necessities like food or medicine."

But let's NOT develop U.S. natural gas and oil reserves so we can feel good abut our selves and act all self-righteous about dubious environmental concerns.

So a few people freeze, it's a gentle death, unlike the hell-fire of global warming that will certainly ensue at some uncertain, unknowable, unverifiable future date, that will consume us all in a blistering hailstorm of heat, flood and icy snow..

I dunno about you guys, but I'd MUCH rather see a story about an oil tycoon and how cool it is that he makes billions of dollars in profits than have to read about the things that have to occur in order for him to get all that loot.

From the article: In fall 2008, amid concerns about rising fuel prices, the government nearly doubled fuel assistance, releasing $5.1 billion to states for the following winter.

But last February, President Barack Obama proposed cutting the program nearly in half, calling for about $2.5 billion.


So Bush raised the level of assistance and Obama wants to slash it.

Why do Democrats want old people to die?

BumpInTheNight: What do you mean a career in waitressing doesn't prepare you for a comfortable retirement?!

Yes. I concur entirely with your sentiment. In a country that requires a heavy service economy for survival, people working service jobs should kill themselves when they're no longer able to work. Their former managers could stack their bodies like Lincoln Logs and burn them for heat, so that would at least let them live a few years pretending their lives were meaningful.

Why doesn't she take the money and get a space heater?

tomWright: "Families in New England, where the winters are long and cold and people rely heavily on costly oil heat, are expected to be especially hard hit. Many poor and elderly people on fixed incomes struggle with rising heating bills that can run into thousands of dollars. That can force them to cut back on other necessities like food or medicine."

But let's NOT develop U.S. natural gas and oil reserves so we can feel good abut our selves and act all self-righteous about dubious environmental concerns.

So a few people freeze, it's a gentle death, unlike the hell-fire of global warming that will certainly ensue at some uncertain, unknowable, unverifiable future date, that will consume us all in a blistering hailstorm of heat, flood and icy snow..

Want to know how I know that you don't know what a commodities market is?

Adding the marginal amount of US oil to the global market will have a negligible effect. Unless you're proposing that we keep it for ourselves, but that sounds suspiciously like... OMGSOCIALISM!11!

God forbid the tart actually planned for her retirement, huh?

Also too bad humans have not learned to use fire.

She could buy a small, electric space heater....that will not burn her mobile home down or jack up her electric...20 or 30 bucks at WalMart would save her a lot of $$$ and she will not freeze to death

And, buy some warm clothes.

I understand she is elderly...but there are so many ways to remedy heating bills. It is sure a lot more comfortable than trying to save $$$ on electricity in warm months in Florida

_...Families can expect to pay, on average, about $3,300 to heat a home with oil this winter in New England._

Say October through March, six months...that's $550 per month.

Are oil furnaces really inefficient? When I had a house in Michigan, we never had a $500 gas bill. Maybe $385 tops.

Thunderpipes: God forbid the tart actually planned for her retirement, huh?

Also too bad humans have not learned to use fire.


Nice screw-the-poor attitude there.

what did sam kinison say, "send them trailers"

so, move.

Something about history repeating itself, not learning from it, and so on........

Wonder if any of these idiots slashing this aid remember the coal barons (I believe it was during the depression (not 100% positive on this tho)) who drove up the prices to the point where individuals in the city were literally buying one lump of coal at a time for warmth because that was all they were able to afford. And as for those that could not afford that lump of coal, they simply froze to death.....and this was not exactly any small number

It's about 75 or 80 in my house right now so I am really getting a kick out of these replies. Wood heat ftw! obviously though some old lady can't use a wood stove. You could do and do-do worse with our tax money fartbama.

so a few people freeze, die slow deaths, etc., remember, their sacrifices help the rest of us continue on living.

And besides, she's 80. If she hasn't saved enough due to living beyond her means, hard cheese for her. Shoulda spent less and saved more. Kids aren't a requirement, neither is traveling or eating out. Be thrifty, self-sufficient, and grow your own food. The government isn't going to be able to support us much longer.

Jason

When did sociopathy become a virtue to strive for in this country?

vestona22: From the article: In fall 2008, amid concerns about rising fuel prices, the government nearly doubled fuel assistance, releasing $5.1 billion to states for the following winter.

But last February, President Barack Obama proposed cutting the program nearly in half, calling for about $2.5 billion.


So Bush raised the level of assistance and Obama wants to slash it.

Why do Democrats want old people to die?

That was during the "Let's just use the Republican proposals and watch them say, 'No!' to that, too" phase.

UCFRoadWarrior: She could buy a small, electric space heater....that will not burn her mobile home down or jack up her electric...20 or 30 bucks at WalMart would save her a lot of $$$ and she will not freeze to death

And, buy some warm clothes.

I understand she is elderly...but there are so many ways to remedy heating bills. It is sure a lot more comfortable than trying to save $$$ on electricity in warm months in Florida

Uhm..electricity is way more expensive than oil or gas.

At least it's been relatively mild so far. Hopefully it means oil needed over the winter.

Happy Hours: Her heating aid help this year will drop from $1,035 to $685.

I don't know what heat costs in Boston, but that would cover my gas bill for the entire year in what is undoubtedly a larger place where the average temperature is much lower. I also rarely let it get below 70 degree either.

Seems reasonable to me.

If you had read the article a little more closely, you'd see that most homes in the northeast are heated by home heating oil, which a quick google search tells me is running $3.69-$3.72 a gallon right now, with a heating value per gallon of 138,000 BTU (your gas is 100k BTU per therm). My gas bill says gas is about $0.53/Therm. See the problem?

I am kind of surprised she is heating a trailer with oil though. Where is the big tank being stored? Would it be cheaper to just rent a trailer with propane or electric heat? I believe lot fees are generally less than that she pays for heat.

BumpInTheNight: What do you mean a career in waitressing doesn't prepare you for a comfortable retirement?!

Wow, way to go... Criticizing a widow.
"...Who worked as a cashier and waitress until she was 80..." may not necessarily mean her entire job lifetime. Ever heard the saying "When push comes to shove?"

IamPatSajak: Where is the big tank being stored?

outside

somewhere, along the way, we lost our way

macaddict0: When did sociopathy become a virtue to strive for in this country?

When it was the selfish generation's turn to be the dominant segment of the population.

BumpInTheNight: What do you mean a career in waitressing doesn't prepare you for a comfortable retirement?!

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Maybe everybody in the US should be a doctor or lawyer? That way we can all treat each others medical conditions and then sue each other for malpractice. After all, who really needs a diversified economy? See how well things have gone for the US after we off shored all of our manufacturing?

Happy Hours: I don't know what heat costs in Boston, but that would cover my gas bill for the entire year in what is undoubtedly a larger place where the average temperature is much lower. I also rarely let it get below 70 degree either.

I'm living in Switzerland right now, and temperatures are cool (lows just below freezing, highs in the 40s and low 50s) and my wife and I have yet to turn on the heat for the apartment. Indeed, we have to turn on a small oscillating fan at night lest it get too warm. We used to live in Arizona, so we're quite sensitive to cold weather.

Why haven't we needed the heat yet? I suspect it has something to do with the building being built for the climate (thick walls, good insulation) and having no drafts (all the windows and doors, including the door to the interior hallway and stairwell have rubber gaskets).

The lady in the article lives "lives in a drafty trailer". Trailers aren't exactly known for their good insulation, and the drafts could probably be fixed for $5 in caulk and a good Samaritan to help seal up the gaps around the windows and doors. She's in a tough situation, and I hope she's able to get the assistance she needs.

I have no problem with heating assistance for the needy, but I wonder how much unnecessary heating could be avoided if people had better insulation and fixed their drafty windows.

EZ1923: tomWright: "Families in New England, where the winters are long and cold and people rely heavily on costly oil heat, are expected to be especially hard hit. Many poor and elderly people on fixed incomes struggle with rising heating bills that can run into thousands of dollars. That can force them to cut back on other necessities like food or medicine."

But let's NOT develop U.S. natural gas and oil reserves so we can feel good abut our selves and act all self-righteous about dubious environmental concerns.

So a few people freeze, it's a gentle death, unlike the hell-fire of global warming that will certainly ensue at some uncertain, unknowable, unverifiable future date, that will consume us all in a blistering hailstorm of heat, flood and icy snow..

Want to know how I know that you don't know what a commodities market is?

Adding the marginal amount of US oil to the global market will have a negligible effect. Unless you're proposing that we keep it for ourselves, but that sounds suspiciously like... OMGSOCIALISM!11!

Any increase in supply affects pricing. Natural gas produced locally from the Marcellus formation that runs across PA, NJ and NY would do a lot for NG prices in the N.E., as NG is lass transportable than many other commodities, since it needs to have pipelines built, which limit where it can be distributed, or be compressed into LNG for transport, which is not the cheapest thing to do.

While we should not believe everything the corps involved in fracking say, (by a mile. When profit or politics is involved truth suffers), the outright ban that the enviros want is insane, as are the tales of flaming water supplies.

The same goes for oil from shale and sands that exists in the Midwest and Canada. (except the compressing part)

All these can be developed safely, if we want it to happen and we hold those developing these areas accountable for being clean to begin with, and cleanup after the fact, and other problems, and do NOT subsidize them.

jaytkay: _...Families can expect to pay, on average, about $3,300 to heat a home with oil this winter in New England._

Say October through March, six months...that's $550 per month.

Are oil furnaces really inefficient? When I had a house in Michigan, we never had a $500 gas bill. Maybe $385 tops.

I am confused about this as well. My FIL who works in the pipeline industry says he would have 2 or 4 jobs a decade where they would lay a huge pipeline to the New England area for oil. Why not just use natural gas?

When you have an income of @ $12K a year, it's impossible to get ahead of the curve and actually purchase an alternate heating source.

Wood stove? It will run about $750 plus installation fees. Electric? I have electric heat and have a budget with PPL: $475 a month for a house under 2000 square feet w/ keeping the temperature at 65 degrees.

As far as moving to a warmer climate - come on. That's not going to happen when you're poor and elderly.

Fissile: Maybe everybody in the US should be a doctor or lawyer?

yep, if everyone in America just gets a high paying job we won't have poor people any more!

EZ1923: tomWright: "Families in New England, where the winters are long and cold and people rely heavily on costly oil heat, are expected to be especially hard hit. Many poor and elderly people on fixed incomes struggle with rising heating bills that can run into thousands of dollars. That can force them to cut back on other necessities like food or medicine."

But let's NOT develop U.S. natural gas and oil reserves so we can feel good abut our selves and act all self-righteous about dubious environmental concerns.

So a few people freeze, it's a gentle death, unlike the hell-fire of global warming that will certainly ensue at some uncertain, unknowable, unverifiable future date, that will consume us all in a blistering hailstorm of heat, flood and icy snow..

Want to know how I know that you don't know what a commodities market is?

Adding the marginal amount of US oil to the global market will have a negligible effect. Unless you're proposing that we keep it for ourselves, but that sounds suspiciously like... OMGSOCIALISM!11!

Also, what third world shiathole still uses oil for heat? Develop a real energy source.

Thunderpipes: God forbid the tart actually planned for her retirement, huh?

I know plenty of people like her, that drank the progressive kool-aide about social security and the government being there for them. SURPRISE!

Also too bad humans have not learned to use fire.

I am sitting here next to my Jotul 550 getting a kick....

jayday: Something about history repeating itself, not learning from it, and so on........

Wonder if any of these idiots slashing this aid remember the coal barons (I believe it was during the depression (not 100% positive on this tho)) who drove up the prices to the point where individuals in the city were literally buying one lump of coal at a time for warmth because that was all they were able to afford. And as for those that could not afford that lump of coal, they simply froze to death.....and this was not exactly any small number

"But last February, President Barack Obama proposed cutting the program nearly in half, calling for about $2.5 billion."

No, Idiot Obama is probably too young to remember this.

Probably_From_Texas: Why not just use natural gas?

There are plenty of people up here that use natural gas but up until the past 8 years or so oil has been about the same if not cheaper than natural gas. So you have some lady who is 72 doing fine with her oil heat and now 8 years later it is breaking her budget.

vestona22: From the article: In fall 2008, amid concerns about rising fuel prices, the government nearly doubled fuel assistance, releasing $5.1 billion to states for the following winter.

But last February, President Barack Obama proposed cutting the program nearly in half, calling for about $2.5 billion.


So Bush raised the level of assistance and Obama wants to slash it.

Why do Democrats want old people to die?

Just wanted this to be seen again. Where is the outrage from the Obama flock?