I worked with a 50 something guy that played for the Redskins for several years. He ate at IHOP every single day....so yeah there was brain trauma.

Reading part of that article reminded me of how I hate Cris Collinsworth.

neuroflare: Reading part of that article reminded me of how I hate Cris Collinsworth.

Yes, he has smarmy on maximum.

Mike_LowELL: Remember kids: MMA and boxing are the violent sports. Football, you just need to tough it out.

Any sport will give you aches and pains, even baseball. Basketball is worse on the knees than football in general, it's just that football generates a few more freak injuries to the knees. As far as physicality, form goes a long way towards protecting yourself and protecting your foe.

Note to self: If I ever find a magic lamp and one of my wishes is to have a Hall of Fame NFL career, remember to specify punter or kicker.

bhcompy: Basketball is worse on the knees than football in general, it's just that football generates a few more freak injuries to the knees.

The problem is every other part of the body.

29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

Of course, I'm sure Brandon Roy wishes he played football right about now.

mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.

From the article: "Head trauma Seventeen players (44%) said they have memory loss, ranging from forgetting what they had for dinner the previous night to forgetting a conversation they just had. Thirteen (33%) reported daily headaches and believe they stem from football."

The New York Times recently did a three part story describing the impact repeated head trauma had on Derek Boogaard and other NHL "enforcers". Depressing as all get out.

puffy999: Of course, I'm sure Brandon Roy wishes he played football right about now.

Brandon Roy's knees are shot, but he still has his spine, brain, shoulders, hips and eyesight. Basketball is awful on the knees, ankles and feet, but you still leave with cognitive ability. With NBA players results may vary.

bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.

I was only including injuries that happened on the field. I believe it was also a tally of 12 years of soccer, 6 cross country, and 3 of wrestling. Surmise it to say I will not let any future children of mine play back to back to back sports before they are 16.

And all my injuries in football came when I was playing QB. I never got hurt hitting someone.

bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

myinternetname: Note to self: If I ever find a magic lamp and one of my wishes is to have a Hall of Fame NFL career, remember to specify punter or kicker.

You'd have to be a pretty damned good punter or kicker.

/currently zero punters and one kicker who were full time in their position

SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Goddamnit man, couldn't you have waited a few minutes and at least see if I could get a couple of bites!

*shakes tiny fist*

mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Let me try again.

What are you some sort of little science geek who does not appreciate the forging that a man gets through physical contact? I bet you where one of those little virgins crying when we where taking taking the cheerleaders home. Pathetic!!!

mopar1956: mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Let me try again.

What are you some sort of little science geek who does not appreciate the forging that a man gets through physical contact? I bet you where one of those little virgins crying when we where taking taking the cheerleaders home. Pathetic!!!

You must have a small penis, suffer from repressed homosexuality, be some sort of sociopath as you seem to find gratification in inflicting pain on others, or are entertained watching others permanently maimed for life by participating in these neanderthal like exhibitions. Do you also like showering with other dudes? The costs that society has to bear for the long term care of people stupid enough to willingly engage in harmful, and sometimes permanently crippling or fatal, activities is heinous! Congress should tax the shiat of this to discourage people from participating in such barbaric spectacles masquerading as "contact sports", if not ban them out right!

I bet you drive a muscle car too!

/ahhh... what could have been
// LMFAO

SDRR: mopar1956: mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Let me try again.

What are you some sort of little science geek who does not appreciate the forging that a man gets through physical contact? I bet you where one of those little virgins crying when we where taking taking the cheerleaders home. Pathetic!!!

You must have a small penis, suffer from repressed homosexuality, be some sort of sociopath as you seem to find gratification in inflicting pain on others, or are entertained watching others permanently maimed for life by participating in these neanderthal like exhibitions. Do you also like showering with other dudes? The costs that society has to bear for the long term care of people stupid enough to willingly engage in harmful, and sometimes permanently crippling or fatal, activities is heinous! Congress should tax the shiat of this to discourage people from participating in such barbaric spectacles masquerading as "contact sports", if not ban them out right!

I bet you drive a muscle car too!

/ahhh... what could have been
// LMFAO

Just what i thought another namby pamby mommas boy who hides behind a computer in his mother basement. We where real men, You where just to scared to get in the showers with men, scared your little bird chests and noodle dicks would be exposed.

Muscle car? Pffttt... I drive a sports car baby. 03 z28 and i'm now the midnight assistant manager at CVS. Tell me sports don't pay. Nerd.

mopar1956: SDRR: mopar1956: mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Let me try again.

What are you some sort of little science geek who does not appreciate the forging that a man gets through physical contact? I bet you where one of those little virgins crying when we where taking taking the cheerleaders home. Pathetic!!!

You must have a small penis, suffer from repressed homosexuality, be some sort of sociopath as you seem to find gratification in inflicting pain on others, or are entertained watching others permanently maimed for life by participating in these neanderthal like exhibitions. Do you also like showering with other dudes? The costs that society has to bear for the long term care of people stupid enough to willingly engage in harmful, and sometimes permanently crippling or fatal, activities is heinous! Congress should tax the shiat of this to discourage people from participating in such barbaric spectacles masquerading as "contact sports", if not ban them out right!

I bet you drive a muscle car too!

/ahhh... what could have been
// LMFAO

Just what i thought another namby pamby mommas boy who hides behind a computer in his mother basement. We where real men, You where just to scared to get in the showers with men, scared your little bird chests and noodle dicks would be exposed.

Muscle car? Pffttt... I drive a sports car baby. 03 z28 and i'm now the midnight assistant manager at CVS. Tell me sports don't pay. Nerd.

"I'd do it again in a minute," says Ray Horton, a cornerback on the Bengals and now the Cardinals' defensive coordinator. Horton, 51, retired after the 1992 season, his 10th, with one significant knee injury, a torn left ACL (he chose not to have surgery) and feels no daily football-related pain. "[The NFL] affords a great lifestyle. Are there inherent risks? Yeah, but those coal miners in West Virginia and down in Chile, they have an inherent risk in their jobs. The soldiers who go over to Afghanistan, they have an inherent risk in what they do. Firefighters have an inherent risk. Are you kidding me? To play a sport I love the whole time and to just lose a knee-guys come back from Afghanistan with no legs."

At least somebody put it in the proper perspective.

SDRR: mopar1956: SDRR: mopar1956: mopar1956: SDRR: bhcompy: mopar1956: 29 here. I only played pee-wee through 2 years on the practice squad of a D1 college program. It's hard for me to explain why I groan and crack so much. My tally: shoulder, wrist, elbow, knee and foot surgeries.

28 myself.. Played same duration with three sports(baseball/football/wrestling). All of my significant injuries or ones that still affect today are from wrestling(severely strained lower back, recurs so goddamned easily), baseball(torn meniscus, moderately strained MCL, broken wrist), rec league basketball(shoulder/rotator cuff injury), and smear the queer(torn quad), and I played fullback, NT/DT, and center.

Football was the most physical, but the sport that did the least amount of damage to me oddly enough. That said, I was also heavily padded(kind of have to as an FB/Lineman if you want to stay ambulatory): cowboy collar/neck roll, extended mask, air helmet, lineman gloves, knee braces, foot/ankle wraps, neoprene elbow sleeves, ribcage vest, tall hip pads, hard cup(most of my teammates switched to soft cups as they got older for some ungodly reason), etc.


I think all contact sports should be banned because of the undue costs / burden it places on our health care system. It's not fair for everyone to share in the costs of the long term injuries that could easily have been prevented by not participating in such activities.

Troll..

Let me try again.

What are you some sort of little science geek who does not appreciate the forging that a man gets through physical contact? I bet you where one of those little virgins crying when we where taking taking the cheerleaders home. Pathetic!!!

You must have a small penis, suffer from repressed homosexuality, be some sort of sociopath as you seem to find gratification in inflicting pain on others, or are entertained watching others permanently maimed for life by participating in these neanderthal like exhibitions. Do you also like showering with other dudes? The costs that society has to bear for the long term care of people stupid enough to willingly engage in harmful, and sometimes permanently crippling or fatal, activities is heinous! Congress should tax the shiat of this to discourage people from participating in such barbaric spectacles masquerading as "contact sports", if not ban them out right!

I bet you drive a muscle car too!

/ahhh... what could have been
// LMFAO

Just what i thought another namby pamby mommas boy who hides behind a computer in his mother basement. We where real men, You where just to scared to get in the showers with men, scared your little bird chests and noodle dicks would be exposed.

Muscle car? Pffttt... I drive a sports car baby. 03 z28 and i'm now the midnight assistant manager at CVS. Tell me sports don't pay. Nerd.

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HAHAHAHA. Well played sir.

What part of the Wang do you reside in?

mopar1956: What part of the Wang do you reside in?

Tampa, but I am originally from Ft. Myers.

St. Pete. the better side of the bay. Woot!!!!

mopar1956: St. Pete. the better side of the bay. Woot!!!!

Yea, if you're into busted hips and blue hair!

;-)


But then again you do have the beach.

SDRR: mopar1956: St. Pete. the better side of the bay. Woot!!!!

Yea, if you're into busted hips and blue hair!

;-)


But then again you do have the beach.

Don't forget the Rays. A beer for you next you come over the bridge.

mopar1956: SDRR: mopar1956: St. Pete. the better side of the bay. Woot!!!!

Yea, if you're into busted hips and blue hair!

;-)


But then again you do have the beach.

Don't forget the Rays. A beer for you next you come over the bridge.

10-4, enjoy your Sunday. Maybe the Bucs can actually win a freaking game today!

I know it's a minor nit to pick, but it's pretty sad that Peter King doesn't even get the first sentence correct. You don't treat sleep apnea with oxygen, you treat it with air pressure. It's just air, not oxygen.

WhackingDay: I know it's a minor nit to pick, but it's pretty sad that Peter King doesn't even get the first sentence correct. You don't treat sleep apnea with oxygen, you treat it with air pressure. It's just air, not oxygen.

I assume you aren't a medical professional, but it depends. Obstructive sleep apnea is treated with a constant positive air pressure device (CPAP). However not all sleep apnea is obstructive. In fact the type associated with brain damage/neurological disorders is central sleep apnea (things like heart failure also can cause central apnea). For central apnea, oxygen is an indicated treatment.

zamboni: myinternetname: Note to self: If I ever find a magic lamp and one of my wishes is to have a Hall of Fame NFL career, remember to specify punter or kicker.

You'd have to be a pretty damned good punter or kicker.

/currently zero punters and one kicker who were full time in their position

Are you doubting the power of my genie?

myinternetname: zamboni: myinternetname: Note to self: If I ever find a magic lamp and one of my wishes is to have a Hall of Fame NFL career, remember to specify punter or kicker.

You'd have to be a pretty damned good punter or kicker.

/currently zero punters and one kicker who were full time in their position

Are you doubting the power of my genie?

Check and mate.

Makes me think maybe the linemen should be the ones getting the multi-million dollar contracts.

It's gonna take a lot more than a Sports Illustrated article to make me sober, Subby.

*hic*

Wow. Remembering some of these guys after 25 years... lot of good players on that team. They had amazing depth at WR.

A really somber article, and yet the one thing I want to ask is if Mike Martin remembers winning the NFL Talent Challenge by singing a Bobby Brown song, beating Reggie White's Clint Eastwood imitation.

For all you Collinsworth haters out there; a few years ago my son played aginst his son in a knothole game. CCwaited until the game started, walked over with his chair and sat down and watched the game. He didn't yell or make a scene throughout, just sat there minding his own business talking to the people around him. After the game he went to our coach and asked for permission to say a few words to our kids. He talked to them for maybe twenty minutes, the whole time being very positive, polite and pleasant. Seemed like a decent guy.

Shadow Blasko: says Ken Anderson, 62, who was Esiason's backup in '86, his 16th and final NFL season.


Cruelest thing ever said about Kenny Anderson. Right there.

As a sportscaster, Esiason is an annoying dick. As a QB, there were many worse. Some better, too, of course. He was better than maybe 2/3 of the other starters at the time. Anderson had probably been washed up for about 4 years in '86. It's similar to castigating Mark Brunell, who wasn't half-bad in his prime, because he can't get off the bench at the twilight of his career, and he's playing behind a guy who makes Esiason look like Aaron Rodgers.