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2011-12-10 10:06:53 PM  
30.media.tumblr.com

Can we finally make use of the Fail-22s we have and use them in real combat and shoot down some of Stupidstans left over Cold War fighters?
 
2011-12-10 10:07:36 PM  

ThisNameSux: Somebody is still pissed that they got caught hiding Bin Laden.


It wasnt really Bin Laden.
 
2011-12-10 10:08:39 PM  

proton: Bio-nic: So... bout their nukes...

Last I heard they were carting them around in trucks on a daily basis....ever since Bin Laden was killed.

Link (new window)
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8148893


Yeah, it's even more scary that they haven't just dropped those off in the terrorists dens and walked away whistling innocently and pointing at the US.

They really do have us by the short hairs tbh. If we withdraw support from them, the nukes fall to the terrorists, if we keep supporting them, they get to build MORE nukes...
 
2011-12-10 10:09:57 PM  
Am I the only one noticing the difference in quality between this drone and the one shot down last week in Iran? It's like they're using two different manufacturers - one's drones cost $1,000,000,000 and the other costs $19.95 at Target.
 
2011-12-10 10:10:14 PM  
It's the way to say I love you in Urdu

No, that would be: mai aap say pyaar karta hoo

See for yourselves
 
2011-12-10 10:11:28 PM  

Allen262: [30.media.tumblr.com image 363x310]

Can we finally make use of the Fail-22s we have and use them in real combat and shoot down some of Stupidstans left over Cold War fighters?


COPY PASTA:

WASHINGTON - Pakistan has started moving its nuclear weapons in low-security vans on congested roads to hide them from U.S. spy agencies, making the weapons more vulnerable to theft by Islamist militants, two magazines reported Nov. 4.

The Atlantic and National Journal, in a joint report citing unnamed sources, wrote that the U.S. raid on May 2 that killed al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden at his Pakistani compound reinforced Islamabad's longstanding fears that Washington could try to dismantle the country's nuclear arsenal.

As a result the head of the Strategic Plans Divisions (SPD), which is charged with safeguarding Pakistan's atomic weapons, was ordered to take action to keep the location of nuclear weapons and components hidden from the United States, the report said.

Khalid Kidwai, the retired general who leads SPD, expanded his agency's efforts to disperse components and sensitive materials to different facilities, it said.

But instead of transporting the nuclear parts in armored, well-defended convoys, the atomic bombs "capable of destroying entire cities are transported in delivery vans on congested and dangerous roads," according to the report.

The pace of the dispersal movements has increased, raising concerns at the Pentagon, it said.

Pakistan has long insisted its nuclear arsenal is safe and the article quotes an unnamed official from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency saying: "Of all things in the world to worry about, the issue you should worry about the least is the safety of our nuclear program."

The Pentagon declined to comment on the article but a senior U.S. military official told reporters in Washington that the United States remains confident Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure.

"I believe the Pakistan military arsenal is safe at this time, well guarded, well defended," said the military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The article, based on dozens of interviews, said the U.S. military has long had a contingency plan in place to disable Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the event of a coup or other worst-case scenario.

U.S. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has for years trained for a potential "disablement campaign" that its forces would lead and that would require entering more than a dozen nuclear sites and seizing or defusing atomic weapons, it said.

The operation would use sensitive radiological detection devices that can pick up trace amounts of atomic material, and JSOC has even built mock Pashtun villages with hidden mock nuclear-storage depots at a site on the East Coast to train elite Navy SEAL and Delta Force commandos, the report said.

Although Pakistan has suggested it might shift towards China and forsake its ties to Washington, Chinese officials have reached an understanding in secret talks with U.S. representatives that Beijing would raise no objections if the United States opted to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons, said the report, citing unnamed U.S. sources.
 
2011-12-10 10:12:10 PM  
It is okay people, stop freaking out. We have Obama, he will fix everything.
 
2011-12-10 10:12:24 PM  

8 inches: Am I the only one noticing the difference in quality between this drone and the one shot down last week in Iran? It's like they're using two different manufacturers - one's drones cost $1,000,000,000 and the other costs $19.95 at Target.


Or the one that was shot down in Iran was a LRO drone that goes for thousands of miles and the one in Pakistan was one of the local recon drones that the marines can throw up in the air to get low orbit intel on targets.
 
2011-12-10 10:12:26 PM  
Have not idea why this picture
msnbcmedia.msn.com
makes me think of this
cdn.randomfunnypicture.com
 
2011-12-10 10:12:45 PM  
Oh sorry on the mis quote, my prior post was for SoCalSurfer
 
2011-12-10 10:13:41 PM  
I thought they were supposed to be like this after being shot down:
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2011-12-10 10:14:05 PM  
Pakistan? Is that even a real country?

No seriously...their military is afraid to travel in half the country, and they aren't even sure where their borders lie.
 
2011-12-10 10:14:23 PM  

fusillade762: MeinRS6: taurusowner: Now that we've successfully given them hundreds of millions of dollars we don't have, can we please stop calling this enemy nation "ally" now?

Try billions and billions every year.

We should just give some of that money to Uzbeckibeckibeckistan.


Nah. Too many vowels. We need to find someplace that is all consonants all the time.
 
2011-12-10 10:16:15 PM  

dbrunker: I thought they were supposed to be like this after being shot down:
[farm8.staticflickr.com image 500x316]


WTF is that holding on the wings? Bondo? Mighty-PuttyTM?
 
2011-12-10 10:16:34 PM  
Bad timing. We're drawing down in Iraq and Afghanistan. The beast still needs feeding.
 
2011-12-10 10:16:45 PM  
I'll bite: who the hell is going to sell Pakistan enough spears to down a US drone?
 
2011-12-10 10:17:15 PM  
<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/6805202/73589363#c73589363">give me doughnuts</a>:</b> <i>dbrunker: I thought they were supposed to be like this after being shot down:
[farm8.staticflickr.com image 500x316]

WTF is that holding on the wings? Bondo? Mighty-PuttyTM?</i>
i think it white duct tape.
 
2011-12-10 10:17:16 PM  
Pakistan is not a monolithic entity. The government of Pakistan does not always share the same view as the population of Pakistan. I have no doubt that most everyone in the government realizes the U.S. is a necessary ally but most of the population don't exactly take kindly to us. It's a rather big tightrope walk that has resulted in a couple uprisings already.
 
2011-12-10 10:17:37 PM  

Bucky Katt: Unexpected this is. And unfortunate.


No, it isn't. They've been talking about this for months.
 
2011-12-10 10:18:13 PM  

NEWJERSEYFARKTAG: We should have invaded Pakisan, not Iraq.


WTF? We shouldn't invade either.

The US has got to let these guys saber rattle all they want. They are all farking losers, so it's all they got. You can't take their "We will make you swim in rivers of blood! Allah Ackbar!" away from them. You don't want to take all of the loud mouth bluster out of a 3rd world muslim. Then all he would have left is his mud hut, hairy wife, and 10 kids to beat on. So for the sake of the kids, you gotta let'um cut loose with a "By Allah we will hack your limbs off!" every now and then.

The US knew that the ISI was in cahoots with the Taliban before we even sent anyone into Afghanistan a decade ago. The US needed Pakistan to further our goals in Afghanistan(whether those goals are foolish or not is beside the point here) and we didn't bother to try to change the way all muslims think in Pakistan, fix all tribal feuds along the borders, teach Pakistan how to govern all of the people inside its borders, or change the internal culture of the ISI first. Hell, if we tried to do all that first, we still wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan yet. The US went with what we had. We paid people off and got the best results we could.

Now we can pay some people off and keep flying UAVs over Pakistan, as long as we don't make a ton of public messes. Even if we do that, the Pakistanis can do a week in the press of "We will hack your women to pieces for flying your UAVs over our holy land!" and then we are back in business. That is - if we want to maintain the current retarded status quo anyway.
 
2011-12-10 10:18:14 PM  

jayg22: How dare them protect their sovereign airspace.


This is very true. Pakistan - regardless of its deals with bin Laden and obvious association with the Taliban - has the right to remove United States drones from its airspace. The US basically has no legal grounds to object (unless there's some treaty I'm missing saying Pakistan can't do this).

On the other hand, I foresee no good will come of this.
 
2011-12-10 10:18:41 PM  
teslkoreanews.com

Coming in to resolve the situation.
 
2011-12-10 10:19:07 PM  

proton: Allen262: [30.media.tumblr.com image 363x310]

Can we finally make use of the Fail-22s we have and use them in real combat and shoot down some of Stupidstans left over Cold War fighters?

COPY PASTA:

WASHINGTON - Pakistan has started moving its nuclear weapons in low-security vans on congested roads to hide them from U.S. spy agencies, making the weapons more vulnerable to theft by Islamist militants, two magazines reported Nov. 4.

The Atlantic and National Journal, in a joint report citing unnamed sources, wrote that the U.S. raid on May 2 that killed al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden at his Pakistani compound reinforced Islamabad's longstanding fears that Washington could try to dismantle the country's nuclear arsenal.

As a result the head of the Strategic Plans Divisions (SPD), which is charged with safeguarding Pakistan's atomic weapons, was ordered to take action to keep the location of nuclear weapons and components hidden from the United States, the report said.

Khalid Kidwai, the retired general who leads SPD, expanded his agency's efforts to disperse components and sensitive materials to different facilities, it said.

But instead of transporting the nuclear parts in armored, well-defended convoys, the atomic bombs "capable of destroying entire cities are transported in delivery vans on congested and dangerous roads," according to the report.

The pace of the dispersal movements has increased, raising concerns at the Pentagon, it said.

Pakistan has long insisted its nuclear arsenal is safe and the article quotes an unnamed official from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency saying: "Of all things in the world to worry about, the issue you should worry about the least is the safety of our nuclear program."

The Pentagon declined to comment on the article but a senior U.S. military official told reporters in Washington that the United States remains confident Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure.

"I believe the Pakistan military arsenal is safe at this time, well guarded, well defended," said the military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The article, based on dozens of interviews, said the U.S. military has long had a contingency plan in place to disable Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the event of a coup or other worst-case scenario.

U.S. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has for years trained for a potential "disablement campaign" that its forces would lead and that would require entering more than a dozen nuclear sites and seizing or defusing atomic weapons, it said.

The operation would use sensitive radiological detection devices that can pick up trace amounts of atomic material, and JSOC has even built mock Pashtun villages with hidden mock nuclear-storage depots at a site on the East Coast to train elite Navy SEAL and Delta Force commandos, the report said.

Although Pakistan has suggested it might shift towards China and forsake its ties to Washington, Chinese officials have reached an understanding in secret talks with U.S. representatives that Beijing would raise no objections if the United States opted to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons, said the report, citing unnamed U.S. sources.


Hmmm, why would china be for that? That means india will be stronger and can focus more energy on the chinese

/thank god countries doct act like theyre playing civ 5.....maybe
 
2011-12-10 10:19:33 PM  
Right, because we are in a great place economically to sustain yet another war in a country we can never hope to control that is no real threat to us as a nation but who can control what happens in their mountains about as well as we did in the mountains of Afghanistan. Yeah, third quagmire is the charm...

/am I the only one wondering about the timing of this with the scary 2012 National Defence Act?
 
2011-12-10 10:19:48 PM  
Didn't we fly two helicopters into Pakistan, hung out for 45 minutes, crashed one, and they still didn't know? We will be able to fly drones at will and they won't be able to do a damn thing about it.
 
2011-12-10 10:22:48 PM  
Instead of spending all this money, why don't we just remind the world of the Ohio-class submarines; we might as well use them before they get retired in 2029.

14 nuclear-powered subs with 24 Trident-II missiles each;
each Trident-II missile carries eight multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs);
14x24x8=2688 warheads.

Add the 30+ Virginia class subs with 40 weapons each;
Add the SDI stuff in the sky that we don't know about;

I would say that's GAME OVER, WORLD! STFU!
 
2011-12-10 10:24:14 PM  
t1.gstatic.com

Shot down in his prime. A tragedy.
 
2011-12-10 10:24:20 PM  

Oznog: [teslkoreanews.com image 640x480]

Coming in to resolve the situation.


I was waiting for someone to post this.

/the little behbeh death machine always makes me teehee
 
2011-12-10 10:24:32 PM  
Cut off the military funds, continue the drone atacks, decimate their troops if they can not restrain themselves at the border of Afghanistan, and let the military decide if they want to continue in that vein.

Meanwhile, the Taliban will escalate the civilian bombings and a lot of Pakistani's will die; the Taliban suicide bombers kill a lot of Pakistani's on purpose and that seems to be a reasonable risk for most of the citizens. We screw up and kill 20 some and that pisses folks off?

Color me confused...
 
2011-12-10 10:24:32 PM  

maniac64: Didn't we fly two helicopters into Pakistan, hung out for 45 minutes, crashed one, and they still didn't know? We will be able to fly drones at will and they won't be able to do a damn thing about it.


Some much this!
 
2011-12-10 10:26:16 PM  

lurkey: Instead of spending all this money, why don't we just remind the world of the Ohio-class submarines; we might as well use them before they get retired in 2029.

14 nuclear-powered subs with 24 Trident-II missiles each;
each Trident-II missile carries eight multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs);
14x24x8=2688 warheads.

Add the 30+ Virginia class subs with 40 weapons each;
Add the SDI stuff in the sky that we don't know about;

I would say that's GAME OVER, WORLD! STFU!


What if an incumbent president says f**k it and launches a strike during his lame duck period after he loses an election

If a nuke goes off in the middle east and there's no media to report it and Kim kardashian just gave a bj to trump, does anyone care?
 
2011-12-10 10:27:55 PM  
Here I sit broke and just farted. Love to see India and Pakistan to be dearly departed.

/Nuclear death is so special.
//Kanada still waiting to be invaded by the U.S. police force(agreement being signed by Kanadas republican in charge to allow full access to get at Kanadas population), for supplying them both with Nuke reactors(candu).
 
2011-12-10 10:28:24 PM  
So we'll back India and China will back Pakistan.

Lovely. We'll sell plenty of armaments, sign plenty of treaties then go nuclear against China over two Asian countries. Just lovely.

/farking China is still at war with India already
 
2011-12-10 10:28:35 PM  

Get Lost: Here I sit broke and just farted. Love to see India and Pakistan to be dearly departed.

/Nuclear death is so special.
//Kanada still waiting to be invaded by the U.S. police force(agreement being signed by Kanadas republican in charge to allow full access to get at Kanadas population), for supplying them both with Nuke reactors(candu).


whatthefarkamireading.jpg
 
2011-12-10 10:29:03 PM  

RanDomino: and all it took was killing 27 of their soldiers.


and 1 bin laden. who'd a thunk?
we should leave. its a waste of time with them. they all drink the same kool aid.
let 'em kill themselves in their fuedal regional wars.

/vet
//mission accomplished
 
2011-12-10 10:29:34 PM  

NEWJERSEYFARKTAG: We should have invaded Pakisan, not Iraq.


Iraq
30 million people
170,000 sq miles
All nice, flat land.

Pakistan
180 million people
310,000 sq miles
Half the country is mountains

Yea, I'm not the best military planner, but I would not think its a good idea to send ground troops to invade a country of 200 million people, especially one twice as large as Iraq and containing more mountains than Switzerland
 
2011-12-10 10:31:11 PM  

Clash City Farker: ThisNameSux: Somebody is still pissed that they got caught hiding Bin Laden.

It wasnt really Bin Laden.


you model glue came in today, your mom put it by your bed in the basement.
she said open those windows for good ventilation.
 
2011-12-10 10:31:53 PM  
It's hard to argue that they have the right to defend their airspace. I'd shoot down a Mexican drone in a hot minute. And before y'all go all racist on me about the Mexican Air Force, you know good and well a Mexican drone would go twice as far on half as much money. And do the flights that American drones didn't want to do.
 
2011-12-10 10:34:04 PM  

The Grasshopper: RanDomino: and all it took was killing 27 of their soldiers.

and 1 bin laden. who'd a thunk?
we should leave. its a waste of time with them. they all drink the same kool aid.
let 'em kill themselves in their fuedal regional wars.

/vet
//mission accomplished


I like this idea.

fireclown: It's hard to argue that they have the right to defend their airspace. I'd shoot down a Mexican drone in a hot minute. And before y'all go all racist on me about the Mexican Air Force, you know good and well a Mexican drone would go twice as far on half as much money. And do the flights that American drones didn't want to do.


Lol...... Oh....
 
2011-12-10 10:35:31 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Can we raid their nuclear weapons dump and bounce? F**k that part of the world.


Covert reactions and you never saw me, a glass parking lot in the American Dream. (new window)
 
2011-12-10 10:35:47 PM  

The Grasshopper: Clash City Farker: ThisNameSux: Somebody is still pissed that they got caught hiding Bin Laden.

It wasnt really Bin Laden.

you model glue came in today, your mom put it by your bed in the basement.
she said open those windows for good ventilation.


He does kind of hint obliquely at a good point, though. Wouldn't it be handy, from a foreign policy point of view, to have an Emmanuel Goldstein - an anathematic enemy who will never die? Probably not what happened here, but it's a spin worth looking at in the case of any similar future incidents.
 
2011-12-10 10:37:42 PM  

proton: Allen262: [30.media.tumblr.com image 363x310]

Can we finally make use of the Fail-22s we have and use them in real combat and shoot down some of Stupidstans left over Cold War fighters?

COPY PASTA:

WASHINGTON - Pakistan has started moving its nuclear weapons in low-security vans on congested roads to hide them from U.S. spy agencies, making the weapons more vulnerable to theft by Islamist militants, two magazines reported Nov. 4.

The Atlantic and National Journal, in a joint report citing unnamed sources, wrote that the U.S. raid on May 2 that killed al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden at his Pakistani compound reinforced Islamabad's longstanding fears that Washington could try to dismantle the country's nuclear arsenal.

As a result the head of the Strategic Plans Divisions (SPD), which is charged with safeguarding Pakistan's atomic weapons, was ordered to take action to keep the location of nuclear weapons and components hidden from the United States, the report said.

Khalid Kidwai, the retired general who leads SPD, expanded his agency's efforts to disperse components and sensitive materials to different facilities, it said.

But instead of transporting the nuclear parts in armored, well-defended convoys, the atomic bombs "capable of destroying entire cities are transported in delivery vans on congested and dangerous roads," according to the report.

The pace of the dispersal movements has increased, raising concerns at the Pentagon, it said.

Pakistan has long insisted its nuclear arsenal is safe and the article quotes an unnamed official from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency saying: "Of all things in the world to worry about, the issue you should worry about the least is the safety of our nuclear program."

The Pentagon declined to comment on the article but a senior U.S. military official told reporters in Washington that the United States remains confident Pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure.

"I believe the Pakistan military arsenal is safe at this time, well guarded, well defended," said the military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The article, based on dozens of interviews, said the U.S. military has long had a contingency plan in place to disable Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the event of a coup or other worst-case scenario.

U.S. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has for years trained for a potential "disablement campaign" that its forces would lead and that would require entering more than a dozen nuclear sites and seizing or defusing atomic weapons, it said.

The operation would use sensitive radiological detection devices that can pick up trace amounts of atomic material, and JSOC has even built mock Pashtun villages with hidden mock nuclear-storage depots at a site on the East Coast to train elite Navy SEAL and Delta Force commandos, the report said.

Although Pakistan has suggested it might shift towards China and forsake its ties to Washington, Chinese officials have reached an understanding in secret talks with U.S. representatives that Beijing would raise no objections if the United States opted to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons, said the report, citing unnamed U.S. sources.


look, i am drinkin'. if you could sum this up, you would be a real pal.
my patience dies as my tolerance rises! he
 
2011-12-10 10:37:58 PM  
Or we could just leave. Afghanistan can destroy itself just fine without our help and with the decimation of Al-Qaeda we can claim vengeance for 9/11 and stop throwing money at occupying countries with populations hostile to us.
 
2011-12-10 10:38:29 PM  

fireclown: It's hard to argue that they have the right to defend their airspace. I'd shoot down a Mexican drone in a hot minute. And before y'all go all racist on me about the Mexican Air Force, you know good and well a Mexican drone would go twice as far on half as much money. And do the flights that American drones didn't want to do.


i.imgur.com

+1
 
2011-12-10 10:39:21 PM  
It's all fun and games now, but when your economy crashes, and taxpayers can no longer fund wars, you will finally see just how much the military industrial complex cares about you.
 
2011-12-10 10:42:15 PM  

WTF Indeed: Switch all military aid to civil aid, and start training Indian forces.


tvcrazy.net
Hekawis very brave warriors, except for one thing...........We *faint* a lot.
 
2011-12-10 10:42:46 PM  
Damn evil George Bush!

Wait.....
 
2011-12-10 10:44:31 PM  

Barakku: Let's take all the aid we give Pakistan to India instead.


or better yet, lets keep it! Kegger!!!
 
2011-12-10 10:44:40 PM  

KarmicDisaster: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 380x253]

Keep your guns on it men!


It reminds me of the apes looking at the monolith 2001. Savages havent seen something more advanced than a coffee maker before that.
 
2011-12-10 10:45:27 PM  
I'm a big fan of India. Hardworking and not prone to aggressive moves versus their neighbors. I wish the US would make a strategic alliance with India.
 
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