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(ESPN)   So, that's how he won the NL MVP. Ryan Braun tested positive for PEDs   (espn.go.com) divider line 164
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2011-12-10 09:56:17 PM

bhcompy:
You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it

I would. Fark California. I'll stay in the enchanted land of beer and cheese.
 
2011-12-10 09:56:33 PM

bhcompy: So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!

Well, the Astros are in the AL West now, so you have that.


...which is where Pujols is now with the Angels, meaning even when the Cardinals suffer devestating losses, they still screw us up the arse

/Astros fan
//shoot me now
 
2011-12-10 09:56:53 PM
corngoblin.files.wordpress.com

/go cards
 
2011-12-10 09:57:33 PM
*
 
2011-12-10 09:58:03 PM

plastic_cow: Yanks_RSJ: plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...

Location: Oshkosh, WI

Gee, I wonder why you feel that way. Your boy Ryan is now part of the A-Rod/Ortiz/Manny club. Deal with it.

Yeah, because with an investigation ongoing that does mean guilty.
Besides, it's not like Matt Kemp had anything better to do in October.


files.sharenator.com
 
2011-12-10 10:02:15 PM

plastic_cow: bhcompy:
You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it
I would. Fark California. I'll stay in the enchanted land of beer and cheese.


www.mchalesirishpub.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
images.icanhascheezburger.com

You were saying?
/the beer is much better in particular
 
2011-12-10 10:02:19 PM

IlGreven: Well, they also have zero credibility on drug testing. Maybe if they had nipped it in the bud like the NFL did after Lyle Alzado, they might have something.


Glad to find out the NFL hasn't had any PED issues since Alzado. They occur every season in the NFL with the requisite suspensions and the public just doesn't care.
 
2011-12-10 10:02:40 PM

FriarReb98: And sadly, in about thirty or forty years, if not sooner, the scene of Mantle in the hospital, rotting away and warning people not to do what he did will be repeated over and over again.


That's not the same thing, though. Mantle poisoned himself with alcohol, which is by no means a performance enhancer. He didn't drink because he thought it would give him a competitive edge.

Let's not confuse recreational drug use with PED's. They're two completely different issues.
 
2011-12-10 10:03:00 PM
Tom Haudricourt is saying he was re-tested after getting the results, and it came back negative, so he may be innocent. If he isn't, fark him. This coming from a Brewers and Braun fan.
 
2011-12-10 10:04:11 PM

machoprogrammer: Tom Haudricourt is saying he was re-tested after getting the results, and it came back negative, so he may be innocent. If he isn't, fark him. This coming from a Brewers and Braun fan.


It doesn't matter if he's innocent. Just the positive, even if disproven, will rake him across the coals. For a while, anyway.
 
2011-12-10 10:05:01 PM

Nefarious: IlGreven: Well, they also have zero credibility on drug testing. Maybe if they had nipped it in the bud like the NFL did after Lyle Alzado, they might have something.

Glad to find out the NFL hasn't had any PED issues since Alzado. They occur every season in the NFL with the requisite suspensions and the public just doesn't care.


Because they don't let it fester for 20 years before finally doing something about it and finding out all the best players are on PEDs and going after records. Who's the highest profile player in the NFL hit with a PED suspension recently? Shawne Merriman? Barry Bonds and A-Rod are worlds apart from Shawne Merriman and Brian Cushing
 
2011-12-10 10:05:06 PM
So beast mode was just another name for roid rage. Who knew?
 
2011-12-10 10:06:45 PM

ATRDCI: bhcompy: So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!

Well, the Astros are in the AL West now, so you have that.

...which is where Pujols is now with the Angels, meaning even when the Cardinals suffer devestating losses, they still screw us up the arse

/Astros fan
//shoot me now


you still have the 2012 season to enjoy not seeing Pujols hit HR's to Galveston
 
2011-12-10 10:07:30 PM

bhcompy: plastic_cow: bhcompy:
You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it
I would. Fark California. I'll stay in the enchanted land of beer and cheese.

[www.mchalesirishpub.com image 271x198]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x176]
[images.icanhascheezburger.com image 425x301]

You were saying?
/the beer is much better in particular


California cheese sucks. There is a reason people want Wisconsin cheese.
 
2011-12-10 10:09:50 PM

machoprogrammer: bhcompy: plastic_cow: bhcompy:
You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it
I would. Fark California. I'll stay in the enchanted land of beer and cheese.

[www.mchalesirishpub.com image 271x198]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x176]
[images.icanhascheezburger.com image 425x301]

You were saying?
/the beer is much better in particular

California cheese sucks. There is a reason people want Wisconsin cheese.


You going for the rare "Cheese Snob" thread jack?
 
2011-12-10 10:10:57 PM

machoprogrammer: bhcompy: plastic_cow: bhcompy:
You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it
I would. Fark California. I'll stay in the enchanted land of beer and cheese.

[www.mchalesirishpub.com image 271x198]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x176]
[images.icanhascheezburger.com image 425x301]

You were saying?
/the beer is much better in particular

California cheese sucks. There is a reason people want Wisconsin cheese.


Ya, but he's right about the beer. No other state compares, unfortunately.
 
2011-12-10 10:11:07 PM
Quick and Dirty:

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2011-12-10 10:15:03 PM

The_Synergism: ATRDCI: bhcompy: So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!

Well, the Astros are in the AL West now, so you have that.

...which is where Pujols is now with the Angels, meaning even when the Cardinals suffer devestating losses, they still screw us up the arse

/Astros fan
//shoot me now

you still have the 2012 season to enjoy not seeing Pujols hit HR's to Galveston


Yeah I guess, but even if Crane does everything perfect 2012 is still a rebuilding year, meaning the best case scenario is that the team turns around just in time for the Rangers and the Pujols lead Angels to knock them back down

/At least we play the Mariners then as well
//Sorry I am so down, but its a bit difficult to always stay positive when the only competent teams in the city either have their moves vetoed by an arsehole commissioner who should have left already, or have enough injuries to fill a season of M*A*S*H
///exception being the Dynamo, who just ended their season losing in the MLS Cup final to David Beckham
 
2011-12-10 10:15:32 PM
How long until this news of a Milwaukee player using PEDs is connected to the packers going undefeated?

nimg.sulekha.com

www.thesportsbank.net

onmilwaukee.com

Looking like pretty close friends...
 
2011-12-10 10:15:38 PM
I'm drunk and ca

bhcompy: plastic_cow: bhcompy:
You were saying?
/the beer is much better in particular

First, quality comes from Wisconsin:
www.ratebeer.com
capbrew.hitsinabox.pro
www.unionstarcheese.com
Also, we have a lot of bars. A lot. (new window)

I eagerly await the day California falls into the ocean. It's my runner up to New Jersey in state-related hatred.
/I'm off to the basement for more spotted cow, and I'll wipe my tears with my Braun bobble-head, still in denial.
 
2011-12-10 10:16:54 PM
So if the results are upheld, will MLB disqualify him for the MVP award?
 
2011-12-10 10:20:01 PM

ScreamingViking: Does anyone still buy the ignorance defense? At the highest level of competition, with the most elite athletes, the best they can come up with was, "I didn't know?"


Anybody over the age of 12 shouldn't buy it.

Wish they could take the MVP, but I don't see how they could do it.
 
2011-12-10 10:21:36 PM

machoprogrammer: Tom Haudricourt is saying he was re-tested after getting the results, and it came back negative, so he may be innocent. If he isn't, fark him. This coming from a Brewers and Braun fan.


You mean after he had time to stop using and get masking agents?

Sorry, but that wouldn't prove squat. That's why they have B samples for the re-test.
 
2011-12-10 10:23:11 PM

browneye: So if the results are upheld, will MLB disqualify him for the MVP award?


According to the Yahoo article, the BBWAA has never revoked an MVP award and it would be entirely up to them to make a judgment call on it.
 
2011-12-10 10:26:56 PM

bhcompy: browneye: So if the results are upheld, will MLB disqualify him for the MVP award?

According to the Yahoo article, the BBWAA has never revoked an MVP award and it would be entirely up to them to make a judgment call on it.


They have never removed any award. I believe it's actually their policy to not mess with the past.
 
2011-12-10 10:26:58 PM
The 28-year-old Braun had to provide a urine sample for testing during the playoffs, and he was notified of the positive test sometime in late October -- about a month before he was named the National League's most valuable player.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-10 10:30:45 PM
ATRDCI: the Cubs will always be the Cubs,

www.midwestsportsfans.com

May have something to say about that.
 
2011-12-10 10:30:51 PM
He's on the Jewce?
 
2011-12-10 10:32:37 PM
Penn State's football program also tested positive for pedos.

/Sorry.
 
2011-12-10 10:32:54 PM
every time whitey gets a positive test Barry Bonds walks toward the HOF sorry haters. I know ESPN tried really hard in their hate campaign but it won't matter.
 
2011-12-10 10:33:48 PM

WhyteRaven74: ATRDCI: the Cubs will always be the Cubs,

[www.midwestsportsfans.com image 298x285]

May have something to say about that.


Going to be a lot harder to find juicers that can stick around for long enough to win a championship
 
2011-12-10 10:37:12 PM
varifrank.com

So do I, Luke. So do I.
 
2011-12-10 10:40:15 PM

plastic_cow: They have never removed any award. I believe it's actually their policy to not mess with the past.


You start to open up some real sh*t if you start taking away awards now, so I'll be surprised if they do.

The media and the fans can create their own asterisk around last season's MVP award, and while I'm sure Kemp would appreciate the hardware, his undeniably ridiculous season helped land him an extension that I think required 3 armored trucks to deliver...so...I'm sure he's okay.
 
2011-12-10 10:42:50 PM

Killer Cars: plastic_cow: They have never removed any award. I believe it's actually their policy to not mess with the past.

You start to open up some real sh*t if you start taking away awards now, so I'll be surprised if they do.

The media and the fans can create their own asterisk around last season's MVP award, and while I'm sure Kemp would appreciate the hardware, his undeniably ridiculous season helped land him an extension that I think required 3 armored trucks to deliver...so...I'm sure he's okay.


Consider that the media is who gave the award out in the first place.
 
2011-12-10 10:47:54 PM

Killer Cars: You start to open up some real sh*t if you start taking away awards now


I honestly don't know how many awards were given out a month AFTER a player had learned he had tested positive for drug use.
 
2011-12-10 10:48:10 PM

FriarReb98: You know, I used to be hardcore against the whole PED thing. A lot of it came from hating Barry and his utter disregard for the rules, and an ego that made his head look tiny. (And don't get me wrong; I still hate Barry for most of the same reasons.)

But the more people it happens to, whether it's on my favorite team, my least favorite team, or the Brewers, the more indifferent I get to it. I think if anything I'm madder because I'm under the impression that the side effects making coming off of it devastating physically, and it's gonna suck to see a skinny, old-looking post-retirement hero of the past. I'm not saying it's good, but to use the Giants fan mentality of the Barry era, there's so much more that goes into pitching and hitting than how strong you are that the benefits and detriments to the game itself from PEDs are just... I don't know.

I think, in the end, it should be treated more like any other drug issue than an OMG CHEATER!! issue. And sadly, in about thirty or forty years, if not sooner, the scene of Mantle in the hospital, rotting away and warning people not to do what he did will be repeated over and over again.


I don't care and I've never cared, for many of the same reasons. All the steroids in the world won't help me hit a baseball, and they have to suffer with the consequences of their actions. The whole "fairness" thing is ridiculous. If life were fair we wouldn't be paying millions to a bunch of man-childs to play a game. If life were fair you'd be the starting center fielder for the Yankees.

I hope they all take them, I'd rather see the absolute limits of human achievement than a "fair" contest that is anything but except in the minds of fans that pretend that it is.
 
2011-12-10 10:48:38 PM

bhcompy: Consider that the media is who gave the award out in the first place.


Is there some "mulligan" clause the MVP voters can cite after the fact I don't know about, or are you implying they had knowledge of this?
 
2011-12-10 10:54:20 PM

Killer Cars: bhcompy: Consider that the media is who gave the award out in the first place.

Is there some "mulligan" clause the MVP voters can cite after the fact I don't know about, or are you implying they had knowledge of this?


There's no mulligan in the Heisman, either, but they asked Bush for his back
 
2011-12-10 10:55:12 PM
Does Kemp have an MVP bonus in his contact? If so, the Brewers should do the right thing and pay it.

/yes, the Brewers
 
2011-12-10 10:55:34 PM
As Craig Ferguson said recently

"Rock stars are like baseball players, except less drugs and more Satan"
 
2011-12-10 11:09:43 PM
If I'm a betting man, this comes out as a FALSE POSITIVE.

Have any of you LOOKED at footage of Ryan Braun? Does he look like someone who's been juicing?

And look at his career stats on Baseball Reference. There is nothing there to suggest he's been juicing; consistent across the board, even in the typical dips here and there.

If you really look at this, I can't imagine this being anything but a false positive. The only other way to explain his numbers is if he's been juicing since '07 and was never caught. Which is nigh-on IMPOSSIBLE.
 
2011-12-10 11:17:07 PM
Probably just a false positive from OTCs he took to cure the shpilkis in his genechtagazoink.
 
2011-12-10 11:19:50 PM

FiendishFellow05: Have any of you LOOKED at footage of Ryan Braun? Does he look like someone who's been juicing?


Alex Sanchez, popped for steroids years ago, is listed at 5'10 and 180, and always looked more slender than that.
 
2011-12-10 11:23:27 PM

FiendishFellow05: If I'm a betting man, this comes out as a FALSE POSITIVE.

Have any of you LOOKED at footage of Ryan Braun? Does he look like someone who's been juicing?

And look at his career stats on Baseball Reference. There is nothing there to suggest he's been juicing; consistent across the board, even in the typical dips here and there.

If you really look at this, I can't imagine this being anything but a false positive. The only other way to explain his numbers is if he's been juicing since '07 and was never caught. Which is nigh-on IMPOSSIBLE.


Of course he was caught in the playoffs. This was the Brewers last hurrah with Fielder, so maybe he went all out
 
2011-12-10 11:24:05 PM
Keep in mind that taking steroids that late in the year isn't for bulking up(you bulk up during the offseason), it's for recovery.
 
2011-12-10 11:28:14 PM
is 50 games now the punishment for the first offense? because it wasnt before, which would mean he tested positive before. but I assume this was the first time.

I was actually shocked when I saw this, did not expect it from him. bah, theyre all cheaters except Maddux, Frank Thomas and Griffey.
 
2011-12-10 11:28:42 PM
A MLB player tests positive for PEDs...

thegoutkiller.com
 
2011-12-10 11:29:22 PM

picodenico: They just broke this story on local news here in Milwaukee, and needless to say, the reporters were absolutely stunned.

This is absolutely shocking, and I don't see how anybody who is a fan of MLB can be happy about this.


I dont think anyone even believes it yet since hes not the body type you equate with steroids at all.

Killer Cars: Alex Sanchez, popped for steroids years ago, is listed at 5'10 and 180, and always looked more slender than that.


Yes and there is a reason for that, if you are small and have slow wrists then you need to bulk up to get an advantage, if you are small and have quick wrists you can stay in the majors for a while.
 
2011-12-10 11:31:10 PM
This sucks, but like others have mentioned I'm glad to see that MLB isn't sweeping it under the rug. I've been wondering if MLB would have the balls to suspend a superstar who everyone seems to love. Suspending an over-the-hill and nearly universally despised Manny along with some minor leaguers and Alex Sanchez types is easy. There had to be a moral dilemma somewhere behind the scenes here. I can't imagine that hiding these results wasn't considered. I'm glad to see they didn't, even if it is going to tarnish the reputation of one of the most talented and popular players in the sport.
 
2011-12-10 11:32:17 PM
a lot those dudes listed in the 2003 report didnt have bulked up bodies. Brian Roberts, Petitte, even A-Rod doesnt look like a "juicer". so, quit trotting out that bullshiat.
 
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