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(ESPN)   So, that's how he won the NL MVP. Ryan Braun tested positive for PEDs   (espn.go.com) divider line 164
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2011-12-10 07:54:27 PM
This needs to be combined with a Manny headline somehow but I don't know how, both are happening at the same time
 
2011-12-10 07:56:03 PM

neuroflare: This needs to be combined with a Manny headline somehow but I don't know how, both are happening at the same time


If he fake-retires, I wonder if MLB will cut the suspension in half.
 
2011-12-10 07:59:26 PM
That's not the Brewer I expected in a positive drug test.
 
2011-12-10 08:01:50 PM
Gives a new definition to Beast Mode. Yeah that's somewhat of a stretch.
 
2011-12-10 08:05:24 PM
They just broke this story on local news here in Milwaukee, and needless to say, the reporters were absolutely stunned.

This is absolutely shocking, and I don't see how anybody who is a fan of MLB can be happy about this.
 
2011-12-10 08:11:44 PM

picodenico: They just broke this story on local news here in Milwaukee, and needless to say, the reporters were absolutely stunned.

This is absolutely shocking, and I don't see how anybody who is a fan of MLB can be happy about this.


Yeah, this is a major setback. People were starting to think that maybe the drug era was over and maybe we can believe in honest training again. That was just wiped out.
 
2011-12-10 08:19:33 PM

GAT_00: picodenico: They just broke this story on local news here in Milwaukee, and needless to say, the reporters were absolutely stunned.

This is absolutely shocking, and I don't see how anybody who is a fan of MLB can be happy about this.

Yeah, this is a major setback. People were starting to think that maybe the drug era was over and maybe we can believe in honest training again. That was just wiped out.


I don't think it's a setback at all. This makes Ryan Braun look bad, not MLB. If anything this shows to fans that the league isn't afraid to punish stars that cheat.
 
2011-12-10 08:21:17 PM

GAT_00: Yeah, this is a major setback. People were starting to think that maybe the drug era was over and maybe we can believe in honest training again. That was just wiped out.


Exactly. He has done so much for the game in general, that this, if it holds up, will be a major black eye on a sport finally getting back to major national prominence.

Although with any accusation of a superstar using PEDs, it's going to hurt a lot anyways, whether the usage was intentional or not.
 
2011-12-10 08:23:25 PM
Does anyone still buy the ignorance defense? At the highest level of competition, with the most elite athletes, the best they can come up with was, "I didn't know?"
 
2011-12-10 08:24:08 PM

mjoven1975: I don't think it's a setback at all. This makes Ryan Braun look bad, not MLB. If anything this shows to fans that the league isn't afraid to punish stars that cheat.


No, it is a setback for MLB. People were starting to believe that PEDs were hopefully in a past era, of Sosa, McGwire, A-Rod and Ramirez, players who were in their prime 10-15 years ago. Braun is young, only been in the league for 5 years. This is a bad, bad night for MLB and the young MLB superstars who are bringing the game back.
 
2011-12-10 08:25:06 PM
Oh f*ck...this is big.
 
2011-12-10 08:26:50 PM

picodenico: mjoven1975: I don't think it's a setback at all. This makes Ryan Braun look bad, not MLB. If anything this shows to fans that the league isn't afraid to punish stars that cheat.

No, it is a setback for MLB. People were starting to believe that PEDs were hopefully in a past era, of Sosa, McGwire, A-Rod and Ramirez, players who were in their prime 10-15 years ago. Braun is young, only been in the league for 5 years. This is a bad, bad night for MLB and the young MLB superstars who are bringing the game back.


People that believe that players won't try to cheat are very naive. Cheating has been going on as long as the game has been played. I find it very reassuring as a fan to know that MLB isn't afraid to lay the hammer down on anybody, whether they are an MVP or not. This is a bad night for Ryan Braun, not Major League Baseball.
 
2011-12-10 08:28:11 PM
"There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program."

This is known as the David Ortiz defense. Or in layman's terms: complete bullshiat
 
2011-12-10 08:29:20 PM
Also, who else expected Fielder before Braun? Maybe that's just me, or maybe that's because all the old problems were the big home run hitters, but that makes this a double shock to me.
 
2011-12-10 08:34:33 PM
It seems odd that he would request a second test after testing positive if he's taking PEDs
 
2011-12-10 08:36:43 PM
Crap. C'mon guys, quit doing that sh*t.
 
2011-12-10 08:38:12 PM

plastic_cow: It seems odd that he would request a second test after testing positive if he's taking PEDs


He knows the second one won't be positive now.
 
2011-12-10 08:40:53 PM
jackass.
 
2011-12-10 08:42:27 PM

plastic_cow: It seems odd that he would request a second test after testing positive if he's taking PEDs


False positives happen.

mjoven1975: People that believe that players won't try to cheat are very naive. Cheating has been going on as long as the game has been played. I find it very reassuring as a fan to know that MLB isn't afraid to lay the hammer down on anybody, whether they are an MVP or not. This is a bad night for Ryan Braun, not Major League Baseball.


Not saying it hasn't, and obviously it'll continue. All I'm saying is that after the strike season, and then the steroid era of 10-15 years ago, MLB had a lot to get back with a new generation of stars, and they had. Without any problem. Braun is without a doubt, one of the best, and best known of these young stars. And now he's been accused of doing just about the worst thing a player can do. Obviously this looks bad for him, I'm not disputing that, and it upsets me greatly. But if you are going around and thinking that the other management in MLB, their fans, and their players are not completely shocked, saddened, and as I'm sure most of my fellow Brewers fans are currently, devastated by this news, you're probably not actually seeing the bigger picture of this news.
 
2011-12-10 08:43:06 PM

Rex_Banner: "There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program."

This is known as the David Ortiz defense. Or in layman's terms: complete bullshiat


God I wish I could believe him, like maybe he has some degenerative disease which required him using crazy drugs. I mean, that would be bad, but I just dont want any more cheating.
 
2011-12-10 08:58:29 PM

DamnYankees: Rex_Banner: "There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program."

This is known as the David Ortiz defense. Or in layman's terms: complete bullshiat

God I wish I could believe him, like maybe he has some degenerative disease which required him using crazy drugs. I mean, that would be bad, but I just dont want any more cheating.


Yeah, I wish I could believe him too. And I also hope that some reasonable explanation comes out that clears him. That's a real long shot though.
 
2011-12-10 09:01:43 PM
Thus the truth, that Matt Kemp deserved the award, has been shown.
 
2011-12-10 09:02:33 PM

Rex_Banner: And I also hope that some reasonable explanation comes out that clears him.


Why should anyone believe it?
 
2011-12-10 09:11:26 PM
It's not true, not true, nope, not true, not even remotely
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2011-12-10 09:13:02 PM

GAT_00: Why should anyone believe it?


Because his entire career he's been tested, and always been clean, nothing at all on him. His fellow MLB players have spoken out in very positive lights putting him on a pedestal about drug free playing, and his character is entirely clean. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but his entire career and life before him should play somewhat of a role before people immediately pile on him.
 
2011-12-10 09:13:53 PM

picodenico: GAT_00: Why should anyone believe it?

Because his entire career he's been tested, and always been clean, nothing at all on him. His fellow MLB players have spoken out in very positive lights putting him on a pedestal about drug free playing, and his character is entirely clean. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but his entire career and life before him should play somewhat of a role before people immediately pile on him.


Baseball has zero credibility on drug test denials. Absolute zero.
 
2011-12-10 09:15:00 PM
too too bad. i was a huge ryan braun fan. he was all-star caliber right out of the gate. his was lighting up the homers and average from day one, he had a monster rookie season.

maybe the PED's explain his 'runaway bride' jennifer wilbanks eyes.
 
2011-12-10 09:15:56 PM

GAT_00: picodenico: GAT_00: Why should anyone believe it?

Because his entire career he's been tested, and always been clean, nothing at all on him. His fellow MLB players have spoken out in very positive lights putting him on a pedestal about drug free playing, and his character is entirely clean. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but his entire career and life before him should play somewhat of a role before people immediately pile on him.

Baseball has zero credibility on drug test denials. Absolute zero.


While I can't disagree with you, each player is an individual. It is not "baseball" who denies these things, but in each case a specific individual doing so. I don't think its fair to tar each with the crimes of the others, though I certainly share your skepticism.
 
2011-12-10 09:18:14 PM
You know, I used to be hardcore against the whole PED thing. A lot of it came from hating Barry and his utter disregard for the rules, and an ego that made his head look tiny. (And don't get me wrong; I still hate Barry for most of the same reasons.)

But the more people it happens to, whether it's on my favorite team, my least favorite team, or the Brewers, the more indifferent I get to it. I think if anything I'm madder because I'm under the impression that the side effects making coming off of it devastating physically, and it's gonna suck to see a skinny, old-looking post-retirement hero of the past. I'm not saying it's good, but to use the Giants fan mentality of the Barry era, there's so much more that goes into pitching and hitting than how strong you are that the benefits and detriments to the game itself from PEDs are just... I don't know.

I think, in the end, it should be treated more like any other drug issue than an OMG CHEATER!! issue. And sadly, in about thirty or forty years, if not sooner, the scene of Mantle in the hospital, rotting away and warning people not to do what he did will be repeated over and over again.
 
2011-12-10 09:19:42 PM

DamnYankees: While I can't disagree with you, each player is an individual. It is not "baseball" who denies these things, but in each case a specific individual doing so. I don't think its fair to tar each with the crimes of the others, though I certainly share your skepticism.


But there's too much history for even someone who has never been tested positive before to be believed, and this is coming from a baseball fan.
 
2011-12-10 09:22:21 PM

GAT_00: DamnYankees: While I can't disagree with you, each player is an individual. It is not "baseball" who denies these things, but in each case a specific individual doing so. I don't think its fair to tar each with the crimes of the others, though I certainly share your skepticism.

But there's too much history for even someone who has never been tested positive before to be believed, and this is coming from a baseball fan.


Can't disagree.
 
2011-12-10 09:30:45 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Thus the truth, that Matt Kemp deserved the award, has been shown.


Truth. They need to strip Braun of that bullshiat MVP and give it to the real winner. Kemp had an unbelievable year and deserved it.
 
2011-12-10 09:46:22 PM
Why did this only go green after another thread for it went green?

Either way, very sad.
 
2011-12-10 09:46:42 PM
I have no problem with this, in fact, it would make it easier if they required everyone to take PED's, I'm here to be entertained, If the players don't give a shiat about their own health, why should I?
 
2011-12-10 09:47:35 PM

vegaswench: AdolfOliverPanties: Thus the truth, that Matt Kemp deserved the award, has been shown.

Truth. They need to strip Braun of that bullshiat MVP and give it to the real winner. Kemp had an unbelievable year and deserved it.


Thirdeded.

Give it to Kemp then the Dodgers sign Fielder just to rub it in the Brewers, who will now go nowhere faster than before.
 
2011-12-10 09:47:45 PM
farking cheaters.
 
2011-12-10 09:48:22 PM
I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...
 
2011-12-10 09:48:31 PM
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hay ryan howz it goin???
 
2011-12-10 09:49:40 PM
Put me in the camp that thinks this is good for baseball. The MLB doesn't give a flying fark who you are. If you cheat you will be caught and there will be hell to pay.
 
2011-12-10 09:50:26 PM

plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...


They do things like fake urine, flushing your system, etc to avoid testing positive
 
2011-12-10 09:51:00 PM
So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!
 
2011-12-10 09:51:40 PM

plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...


Location: Oshkosh, WI

Gee, I wonder why you feel that way. Your boy Ryan is now part of the A-Rod/Ortiz/Manny club. Deal with it.
 
2011-12-10 09:52:00 PM

ATRDCI: So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!


Hey, the Pirates did pretty good the first half of last y-pfffffffhehehe....

/Sorry I couldn't finish it
 
2011-12-10 09:52:39 PM

plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...


Even if he is innocent, you get a positive and even if you get cleared clear as day, the stigma won't leave.
 
2011-12-10 09:53:12 PM

Yanks_RSJ: plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...

Location: Oshkosh, WI

Gee, I wonder why you feel that way. Your boy Ryan is now part of the A-Rod/Ortiz/Manny club. Deal with it.

 
2011-12-10 09:53:29 PM

ATRDCI: So, the Cardinals lose Pujols, the Brewers MVP used steroids, the Cubs will always be the Cubs, the Reds are irrelevant and the Astros/Pirates just suck.

HOOOORAY NL CENTRAL!!!!!!


Well, the Astros are in the AL West now, so you have that. The Reds will probably win the division next year. The have the best offense in it at least now
 
2011-12-10 09:53:36 PM

Yanks_RSJ: plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...

Location: Oshkosh, WI

Gee, I wonder why you feel that way. Your boy Ryan is now part of the A-Rod/Ortiz/Manny club. Deal with it.


Yeah, because with an investigation ongoing that does mean guilty.
Besides, it's not like Matt Kemp had anything better to do in October.
 
2011-12-10 09:54:34 PM
Still no HGH test. Even the one being put in effect next year has no in season testing. Until sports leagues do regular blood testing, I assume everyone cheats.

Then again, I really don't care if they do or not. This doesn't change my opinion of Braun at all.
 
2011-12-10 09:55:18 PM

plastic_cow: Yanks_RSJ: plastic_cow: I really believe he's innocent. He's been so anti-PED his whole career. I'm going on the record as Matt Kemp did it.
Also, the other news is saying his second test was negative.. testosterone doesn't go away overnight...

Location: Oshkosh, WI

Gee, I wonder why you feel that way. Your boy Ryan is now part of the A-Rod/Ortiz/Manny club. Deal with it.

Yeah, because with an investigation ongoing that does mean guilty.
Besides, it's not like Matt Kemp had anything better to do in October.


You think anyone would voluntarily travel to Milwaukee in October when they live in Los Angeles? I wouldn't even involuntarily do it
 
2011-12-10 09:55:53 PM

GAT_00: picodenico: GAT_00: Why should anyone believe it?

Because his entire career he's been tested, and always been clean, nothing at all on him. His fellow MLB players have spoken out in very positive lights putting him on a pedestal about drug free playing, and his character is entirely clean. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but his entire career and life before him should play somewhat of a role before people immediately pile on him.

Baseball has zero credibility on drug test denials. Absolute zero.


Well, they also have zero credibility on drug testing. Maybe if they had nipped it in the bud like the NFL did after Lyle Alzado, they might have something.
 
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