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2011-12-10 09:06:53 PM
Here's what I figure:

Conservatives know that life isn't fair, and they're okay with that.

Liberals know that life isn't fair, and that pisses them off.

/at least that's how it is for me
 
2011-12-10 09:24:35 PM
Because Jesus is going to come back any minute.

Who wouldn't be happy?
 
2011-12-10 09:26:44 PM
rather, happier people are conservative
 
2011-12-10 09:37:50 PM
Then why do conservatives spend all their time hating minorities and poor people? Is that what makes them happy?
 
2011-12-10 09:42:49 PM

OgreMagi: Seabon: They compared liberal protesters to conservative think tank employees? I would guess one group is gainfully employed and the other is not. After which, they only got a difference of .5 on a 1-4 scale?

Methinks the methodology could use some work.

Where are you going to find employed liberal protesters to make an equivalent comparison?


You could try conservative protesters vs liberal protesters or conservative think tank employees vs liberal think tank employees. You could hold employment status constant in the study. You could do a lot if you weren't trying to half-fast a political point.
 
2011-12-10 09:45:31 PM

Chameleon: Jim_Callahan: //Conservative, right-leaning socialist, if anyone hasn't picked up on that from my bad habit of regularly posting around here.

Okay, I really have to ask...how the fark does that work??


Yeah, I heard a needle dragged across a record when I read that.

I assume it's, "I grew up with people who called themselves conservatives, and made fun of 'thosethe hippies.' So I've always called myself a conservative, just one who thinks all people should benefit from society, not just those on top, and maybe we should spend more on health and education than military etc."
 
2011-12-10 09:47:14 PM
it's sort of unexpected, too. there's research in neuroscience that indicates positive affect is related to global and exploratory thinking, where negative affect is related to local and detail-oriented thinking.

Carver, 2003 (new window)

Then again, there's the whole regulatory argument, that a person's brain is constantly trying to move them to a state of neutral.

also, i'm not making much sense cause i'm a little drunked.
 
2011-12-10 09:47:47 PM

Elmo Jones: Because "fark you, I got mine" is a comforting ethos. Not right, but comforting.


At least it's an ethos.
 
2011-12-10 09:53:20 PM
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2011-12-10 09:56:37 PM
Sartre and the existentialists would say liberals feel the anguish of responsibility for their fellow man and aren't running from their freedom like conservatives are.
 
2011-12-10 09:59:38 PM
No white guilt, don't feel like they are to blame for the rest of the populations condition, and Jesus
 
2011-12-10 10:00:13 PM
Dostoevsky had it in the book - Letters from the Underground --

Stupid people are happy , smart people suffer

Smart people relive past failures thinking on how it could have gone different or what they could have done different and foresee future dangers . If things do go wrong they think of all the alternate things that the could have done . The question things and ponder if they are wrong ,

Stupid people chug along dumb as a bag of hammers with out the constant introspection or questioning . They blame others if things go wrong and do not have the capacity to reason if they maybe wrong or they might have the wrong information ,,
 
2011-12-10 10:00:50 PM

El Pachuco: Chameleon: Jim_Callahan: //Conservative, right-leaning socialist, if anyone hasn't picked up on that from my bad habit of regularly posting around here.

Okay, I really have to ask...how the fark does that work??

Yeah, I heard a needle dragged across a record when I read that.

I assume it's, "I grew up with people who called themselves conservatives, and made fun of 'thosethe hippies.' So I've always called myself a conservative, just one who thinks all people should benefit from society, not just those on top, and maybe we should spend more on health and education than military etc."


I would guess that he may be referring to the political compass meanings: He's socially conservative (and hence right-leaning), but at the same time all for social welfare (which he incorrectly labels as socialism)... which is how any real christian should be to begin with: Disapprove of the sin, but love the sinner (and be all about helping the poor).
 
2011-12-10 10:04:21 PM
I know the ignorance has been dropped at the feet of the conservatives, but I have another idea.

Empathy. Liberal minded people generally care about others. Conservatives are "the fark you I got mine" mindset.

Example time:

Liberal and conservative eating a hamburger in a burger joint. They both look up to see a hungry kid peering in the window looking at them.

The liberal feels bad and gives the kid half his hamburger because he knows shared joy is halfed.

The conservative locks eyes with the kids and then over dramatizes every bit of the burger and how delicious it is. He then licking his sausage like fingers waddles past the starving kid and says "Get a job you hippy. Doesn't your school have a pre-school to work program!"
 
2011-12-10 10:05:55 PM
JOY should be sorrow.

/Sorry Spider Robinson for misquoting ya.
 
2011-12-10 10:06:29 PM
Liberals watch the Daily Show, conservatives listen to angry rants on AM radio and Fox.

Therefore, liberals hate laughing and conservatives love to be angry.
 
2011-12-10 10:17:18 PM

duppy: "Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities."


No shiat, really?

Conservatives are the problem with society.
 
2011-12-10 10:28:36 PM
Being self-centered pricks who screw over everyone else for their own gain makes people happy. Who would have thought?

People who see self-centered pricks screwing over everyone else and try to stop it, only to be screwed over because the self-centered pricks own all the money tend to be less satisfied with life.

Who would have thought?
 
2011-12-10 10:33:36 PM
Anonymous gay sex while on meth does tend to produce happy conservatives.
 
2011-12-10 10:37:47 PM
Is voltOhm a known conservatroll or something? Because when I read his post, it sounded exactly like good satire to me. The "no higher power" / "mercy of superstitions" juxtaposition was two bonus points.

And yet so many of you are biting.
 
2011-12-10 10:39:38 PM

DemonEater: Is voltOhm a known conservatroll or something? Because when I read his post, it sounded exactly like good satire to me. The "no higher power" / "mercy of superstitions" juxtaposition was two bonus points.

And yet so many of you are biting.


Poe's law
 
2011-12-10 10:40:19 PM
Because money really does buy happiness.

If I had enough money to destroy an economy and get off scott free I'd probably be happier too.
 
2011-12-10 10:41:38 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?


Being constantly in the wrong is depressing?
 
2011-12-10 10:42:06 PM
Liberals tend to include a lot of typically disenfranchised or historically persecuted groups. Gays, blacks, women, Jews, Muslims, and Latinos are all typically on the side of liberals and the Democratic Party in the States and I can't imagine some of these groups are always all that happy.

An openly gay man or a blue collar Latino worker, for example, have probably not led as comfortable or as happy a life as your typical WASP.

I'm sure there are plenty of other nuanced reasons, but this one springs to mind.
 
2011-12-10 10:43:29 PM

Wayne 985: Liberals tend to include a lot of typically disenfranchised or historically persecuted groups. Gays, blacks, women, Jews, Muslims, and Latinos are all typically on the side of liberals and the Democratic Party in the States and I can't imagine some of these groups are always all that happy.

An openly gay man or a blue collar Latino worker, for example, have probably not led as comfortable or as happy a life as your typical heterosexual WASP.

I'm sure there are plenty of other nuanced reasons, but this one springs to mind.



There we go. I wish there were an "edit" button.
 
2011-12-10 10:51:49 PM

make me some tea: cc_rider: Although, it's hard to believe they are actually happier, given their miserable, hateful attitudes towards anything they don't understand, and how their miserable, hateful leaders act when they don't get their way

Honestly, it's that sort of thing that makes them happy.


I'm afraid you may be right. I just now read a couple posts in my local rag's website in which a person who has previously stated that Michele Bachmann would make a good president, just compared Obama to Hitler, Stalin, and Lenin.

I shiat you not.

I haz a sad for humanity. :/
 
2011-12-10 10:54:38 PM

Virulency: indylaw: make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?

Done in one.

if anything is wrong they can either blame something else, or say its a test...


Absolutely; the world is as good as it can be; anything wrong is due to foreigners/nonbelievers/liberals, and if something they say is stupid/hateful/ignorant they protest that people "don't have a sense of humor."

But basically yeah, d1 in 1.
 
2011-12-10 10:56:44 PM

Chameleon: Jim_Callahan: //Conservative, right-leaning socialist, if anyone hasn't picked up on that from my bad habit of regularly posting around here.

Okay, I really have to ask...how the fark does that work??


I'm a big supporter of the co-op movement, which is essentially the local, voluntary version of communism (i.e. the one that actually usually works instead of failing spectacularly), and various social programs and pooled-resource schemes at the national level. Thus, socialist.

I'm conservative in that I err on the side of preferring the way things are done currently over trying something new unless the current method is demonstrably a total failure or the reasoning behind the change is exceptionally compelling in some way.

On various specific policy issues I tend to lean right more often than left. I'm more or less OK with our aggressive international policy when it's executed properly, favor relaxed gun control, am against the various censorship proposals that pop up mostly from the left end of US politics, have no problem with regulations largely favoring industry in general (though specific things the GOP has done, like trying to neuter the EPA, are still retarded), think illegal immigrants can go fark themselves (in general, my specific positions are a bit more nuanced).

None of it really conflicts, especially since the fact that I fall right of center is kind of an average effect rather than a hard and fast rule and I have some positions that are straight-up off the left end of the scale as well (abolishing prohibition, single-payer health care, etc). I'm also a Rochdale (i.e. "hey, let's try this, I bet it gives our company/product a competitive advantage") socialist, not a Marx (i.e. BURN THE RICH AND EDUCATED WE DONT NEED NO STINKIN ELITIST biatchES BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD) socialist, so that helps too.
 
2011-12-10 10:59:20 PM

James F. Campbell: duppy: "Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities."

No shiat, really?

Conservatives are the problem with society.


You're oversimplifying but you got the right point. Progress in culture occurs in fits and starts. It takes time for concepts such as acceptance of difference religions/races/sexual preferences/hair length/music can percolate into societies. Conservatives traditionally fight it; progressives traditionally push it via the courts/protests/coups/etc. This is the way nature, history and even science gets done.

I forget which scientist/physicist/biologist remarked that new truths don't usually get accepted via their cogency, just that the old guard of politicians/scientists who resist them die off.
 
2011-12-10 11:06:46 PM

Flaming Yawn:
You're oversimplifying but you got the right point. Progress in culture occurs in fits and starts. It takes time for concepts such as acceptance of difference religions/races/sexual preferences/hair length/music can percolate into societies. Conservatives traditionally fight it; progressives traditionally push it via the courts/protests/coups/etc. This is the way nature, history and even science gets done.


To be fair, presenting it as a universally good thing is pretty grossly misleading. The progressives winning out with their newfangled fascism thing in the face of those outdated, conservative constitutional parliamentarians didn't go so well in the first part of the century, nor did the flat-out populist takeover of the triumverate against the protests of the conservative "representative democracy" fools in ancient Rome really end in a stunning victory for civil rights.

The new, ostensibly populist idea isn't always the better idea. Now, I'd agree that in general the specific conflict between the US religious right and other groups best summarized as "the sane people" is a pretty clear case of evil versus good, but assuming any change is good change in general is a trap and you shouldn't fall for it.
 
2011-12-10 11:10:36 PM

make me some tea: voltOhm: Because liberals believe the world is out of resources, that the world is gonna die, that we're going to run out of water and we'll have to start eating each other. They don't trust humanity to take care of itself and they believe we are on our own in the universe with no higher power watching out for us. No wonder they are hopeless. They are at the mercy of their superstitions.

Conservatives know none of these things are true, and we have a basic faith in humanity and God. Life is good as long as you work to make it so.

Thus proving my point.


You made no point except to stereotype and condescend. I love how liberals condescend to the industrious while wallowing in mediocrity (at best.) "Hi, I've done nothing with my life so please get sucked into my vortex of negativity!"
 
2011-12-10 11:21:02 PM
And do you know who else was a happy conservative?

/Ah, fark it.
//make me some tea did it better.
 
2011-12-10 11:24:55 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?


I'm going to pretend the hundreds of comments in this thread are all THIS.
 
2011-12-10 11:25:57 PM

CorporatePerson: Then why do conservatives spend all their time hating minorities and poor people? Is that what makes them happy?


I guess Hitler was a very joyous person, and Stalin must have been having orgasms every five minutes.
 
2011-12-10 11:27:47 PM
The conservatives are happiest when they are shiatting their pants in fear of things. So yeah, they're pretty much happy 24/7 with Obama in the White House.
 
2011-12-10 11:30:32 PM
"Our research suggests that inequality takes a greater psychological toll on liberals than on conservatives," the researchers write in the June issue of the journal Psychological Science, "apparently because liberals lack ideological rationalizations that would help them frame inequality in a positive (or at least neutral) light."

Is it just me or is there not an ironic equivocation being made here between inequality and inequity, all in the interest of impartial "rationalizing" of conservative rationalizations of inequity.
 
2011-12-10 11:32:25 PM
many white liberals are just plain terrified of life. many feel like they have no control over their lives, and anyone who thinks they do have control are fooling themselves. this is why they are so intent on subordinating themselves and everyone else to a utopian government that will make everything alright and care for them. I've seen pew research that showed that poor white republicans and independents were much more optimistic about their future prospects than poor white liberals and generally all independents and republicans more often believe that they can succeed if they put forth effort than democrats do. of course your belief that you can change your circumstances and succeed if you try surely has an effect on your ability to actually succeed. liberals are just not as well adjusted to life as everyone else, relatively speaking. fear is literally driving most of your politics.it's why you vote the way you do.

the question should be what is wrong with white liberals. why are they so scared all the time.
 
2011-12-10 11:33:15 PM
Maybe a feeling of contentment in your place in the world and the feeling that others are where they should be through their own volition or fate is responsible for the feeling of happiness. Maybe that tends to make you feel that change would be bad, ergo likely to hold conservative views.
 
2011-12-10 11:40:35 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?

I'm going to pretend the hundreds of comments in this thread are all THIS.


times a googolplex
 
2011-12-10 11:42:37 PM

relcec: many white liberals conservatives are just plain terrified of life. many feel like they have no control over their lives, and anyone who thinks they do have control are fooling themselves. this is why they are so intent on subordinating themselves and everyone else to a utopian an authoritarian government that will make everything alright and care for them protect them from the scary homos and muslins. I've seen pew research that showed that poor white republicans and independents were much more optimistic about their future prospects than poor white liberals and generally all independents and republicans more often believe that they can succeed if they put forth effort than democrats do Fox news viewers are some of the least informed people in the country. of course your belief that you can change your circumstances and succeed if you try surely has an effect on your ability to actually succeed. liberals conservatives are just not as well adjusted to life as everyone else, relatively speaking. fear of gay people, religions other than christianity, sustainable taxes, and science is literally driving most of your politics.it's why you vote the way you do.

the question should be what is wrong with white liberals conservatives. why are they so scared all the time?.


nice projection. fixed that for ya.
 
2011-12-10 11:44:45 PM
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Hmmm, maybe it's because we liberals know that "conservatives*" are the direct cause of so much suffering and horror in the world?

*conservatives in any country-- typified by greediness, selfishness, short-sightedness, xenophobia/tribal hate, jingoism, etc etc.

Hitler-- conservative
Stalin-- conservative
Bush-- conservative
Obama-- conservative
 
2011-12-10 11:50:51 PM

Friction8r: You made no point except to stereotype and condescend. I love how liberals condescend to the industrious while wallowing in mediocrity (at best.) "Hi, I've done nothing with my life so please get sucked into my vortex of negativity!"


I'm not entirely sure whether you're talking to me or the other guy. I'll assume the other guy because it fits better.
 
2011-12-10 11:53:05 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?


Liberals are cursed (new window)
 
2011-12-10 11:53:41 PM

Primum: [zojojojo.files.wordpress.com image 600x409]

Hmmm, maybe it's because we liberals know that "conservatives*" are the direct cause of so much suffering and horror in the world?

*conservatives in any country-- typified by greediness, selfishness, short-sightedness, xenophobia/tribal hate, jingoism, etc etc.

Hitler-- conservative
Stalin-- conservative
Bush-- conservative
Obama-- conservative


Yeah Obama's a real monster like the other 3. Maybe you should go punch a pillow or something, dude.
 
2011-12-10 11:56:07 PM

Primum:
Hitler-- conservative
Stalin-- conservative
Bush-- conservative
Obama-- conservative


Naziism and Stalinist Communism were both initially radical populist movements that displaced the entire existing system of government and murdered most of it. If you're calling them "conservative" I'm not sure you know what the word means. Even if you're (stupidly) conflating liberal and conservative with left and right, Stalin was way the hell on the left end and Hitler/Mussolini way the hell on the right. In fact, that's most of what defines the scale.
 
2011-12-10 11:59:44 PM
Conservatives believe this is the best of all possible worlds.

Liberals fear this might be true.
 
2011-12-10 11:59:52 PM

relcec: many white liberals are just plain terrified of life. many feel like they have no control over their lives, and anyone who thinks they do have control are fooling themselves. this is why they are so intent on subordinating themselves and everyone else to a utopian government that will make everything alright and care for them. I've seen pew research that showed that poor white republicans and independents were much more optimistic about their future prospects than poor white liberals and generally all independents and republicans more often believe that they can succeed if they put forth effort than democrats do. of course your belief that you can change your circumstances and succeed if you try surely has an effect on your ability to actually succeed. liberals are just not as well adjusted to life as everyone else, relatively speaking. fear is literally driving most of your politics.it's why you vote the way you do.

the question should be what is wrong with white liberals. why are they so scared all the time.


Were you aware that, in composing that eloquent and insightful post, you perfectly described WHIDBEY?
 
2011-12-11 12:15:00 AM
I love it when trolls find the comfort in other trolls.
 
2011-12-11 12:17:36 AM
Duh
 
2011-12-11 12:18:30 AM

Altair: Sartre and the existentialists would say liberals feel the anguish of responsibility for their fellow man and aren't running from their freedom like conservatives are.


Only philosophy majors give a shiat about what an existentialist says. But it's philosophy majors biatching about not being able to find a decent paying job to pay off their student loans.
 
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