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(PBS)   Study after study shows that conservatives are happier than liberals. Why do you suppose this is?   (pbs.org) divider line 178
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2011-12-10 07:50:42 PM

voltOhm: Because liberals believe the world is out of resources, that the world is gonna die, that we're going to run out of water and we'll have to start eating each other. They don't trust humanity to take care of itself and they believe we are on our own in the universe with no higher power watching out for us. No wonder they are hopeless. They are at the mercy of their superstitions.

Conservatives know none of these things are true, and we have a basic faith in humanity and God. Life is good as long as you work to make it so.


In other words, ignorant conservatives placate themselves with feel-good bullsh*t. Got it.

/not all Conservatives, just the ignorant ones. Like you, for an example.
 
2011-12-10 07:51:28 PM
The "God has a Plan" people scare the crap outta me.

No joke.
 
2011-12-10 07:51:38 PM

part of the problem: Study as reported leaves too much unanswered....

People who self report as Liberal or Conservative could mean any number of things and these might also influence their understanding of happiness.

"Rationalizing inequality" dosent mean anything except as a cheap shot at conservatives. A person who loses a limb and learns to cope with it is "rationalizing inequality."

It might be more accurate to suggest that the current usage of the term "liberal" has more to do with identity and victim politics than with the normal continuim of left to right ideology. Likewise, "conservative" more and more refers to a set of social norms than ideology.

Liberals can't admit they are happy as they would then have to lighten up and not be in a constant state of grievance. For them, being unhappy brings meaning to their lives.

Consrevatives cant admit they are unhappy as they would then have to admit being "bootstrappy" 24/7 dosent work any better than being angry at the man does in bringing meaning to your life.

Study still looks seriously flawed.


Good points, actually.
 
2011-12-10 07:52:02 PM

MBrady: conservatives know that most things are not broke


OW! MY VOTER ID!
 
2011-12-10 07:52:58 PM

MBrady: conservatives know that most things are not broke and that there are no free handouts in life prefer to have their heads in the sand.


FTFY
 
2011-12-10 07:54:14 PM

part of the problem: Study as reported leaves too much unanswered....

People who self report as Liberal or Conservative could mean any number of things and these might also influence their understanding of happiness.

"Rationalizing inequality" dosent mean anything except as a cheap shot at conservatives. A person who loses a limb and learns to cope with it is "rationalizing inequality."

It might be more accurate to suggest that the current usage of the term "liberal" has more to do with identity and victim politics than with the normal continuim of left to right ideology. Likewise, "conservative" more and more refers to a set of social norms than ideology.

Liberals can't admit they are happy as they would then have to lighten up and not be in a constant state of grievance. For them, being unhappy brings meaning to their lives.

Consrevatives cant admit they are unhappy as they would then have to admit being "bootstrappy" 24/7 dosent work any better than being angry at the man does in bringing meaning to your life.

Study still looks seriously flawed.


You sir, win the rational well reasoned portion of the thread.

/goes back to continuing to be a lousy conservative
 
2011-12-10 07:54:25 PM
Because gay also means happy and someone got confused?
 
2011-12-10 07:54:29 PM

Jim_Callahan: Because "conservative" literally means that your position is to defend the current policy/tradition/whatever, and that would be a really odd position to take if you weren't more or less fine with said current conditions?

Whereas "liberal" is generally incorrectly conflated with "radical", meaning that you favor policies that are new in some way, which would likewise be an odd position to take if you were content with how things are going?

Just saying, I think there's some measure of the cause and effect being backward in the very question the analysis is asking, here. They just assume causation goes one way in explaining the correlation, which is sloppy science at best.

//Conservative, right-leaning socialist, if anyone hasn't picked up on that from my bad habit of regularly posting around here.
//Going to forego the usual gripe about the actual meaning of "liberal" versus the colloquial usage and grudgingly accept that I knew what TFA meant when they used the word.


This. Thx Jim Couldn't have said it better. All of it.
 
2011-12-10 07:54:40 PM
They compared liberal protesters to conservative think tank employees? I would guess one group is gainfully employed and the other is not. After which, they only got a difference of .5 on a 1-4 scale?

Methinks the methodology could use some work.
 
2011-12-10 07:56:05 PM

voltOhm: Because liberals believe the world is out of resources, that the world is gonna die, that we're going to run out of water and we'll have to start eating each other. They don't trust humanity to take care of itself and they believe we are on our own in the universe with no higher power watching out for us. No wonder they are hopeless. They are at the mercy of their superstitions.

Conservatives know none of these things are true, and we have a basic faith in humanity and God. Life is good as long as you work to make it so.


Trollololol.

Well played.
 
2011-12-10 07:56:28 PM

Fista-Phobia: MBrady: conservatives know that most things are not broke

OW! MY VOTER ID!


I'd be pretty damn happy if I could delude myself into thinking voter id was the biggest problem in this world.
 
2011-12-10 07:57:07 PM
potatoe?
 
2011-12-10 07:57:08 PM
Life is nice when you make your own reality.
 
2011-12-10 07:57:50 PM

part of the problem: "Rationalizing inequality" dosent mean anything except as a cheap shot at conservatives. A person who loses a limb and learns to cope with it is "rationalizing inequality."


Your post simultaneously argues that there is nothing wrong with rationalizing inequality, while claiming that the statement "conservatives rationalize inequality" is a cheap shot at conservatives.

You seem to be confused. Is rationalizing inequality good or bad? And if it's good, why is it a "cheap shot" to say conservatives rationalize inequality?

Keep in mind the definition of "rationalize" as you defend your incoherence:

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-10 07:59:22 PM

Virulency: indylaw: make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?

Done in one.

if anything is wrong they can either blame something else, or say its a test...


That and a large group of them are evangelicals who have their religious escape hatch. Why worry about the sorry state of the planet when any minute they could get raptured and go play with Jesus?
 
2011-12-10 08:01:55 PM

voltOhm: They are at the mercy of their superstitions.


First you say this. And then you say this:

voltOhm: we have a basic faith in humanity and God


LOL

And we're at the mercy of our superstitions? you people can't tie your shoes without asking Jesus for permission.
 
2011-12-10 08:05:26 PM
Okay, maybe a little out of context, but it was the first thing I though of when I read the headline:

ALVY
(He moves up the sidewalk to a young trendy-looking couple, arms wrapped around each other)
You-you look like a really happy couple. Uh, uh ... are you?

YOUNG WOMAN
Yeah.

ALVY
Yeah! So ... so h-h-how do you account for it?

YOUNG WOMAN
Uh, I'm very shallow and empty and I have no ideas and nothing interesting to say.

YOUNG MAN
And I'm exactly the same way.

ALVY
I see. Well, that's very interesting. So you've managed to work out something, huh?

YOUNG MAN
Right.

YOUNG WOMAN
Yeah.

ALVY
Oh, well, thanks very much for talking to me.
 
2011-12-10 08:07:19 PM
Because conservatives know they only helping hand they can count on is at the end of their arm, and they're good with that?

/If you hinge your happiness on outside factors the inevitable helplessness that you feel leads to depression.
 
2011-12-10 08:13:29 PM
Because conservatives tend lie to themselves.
 
2011-12-10 08:18:36 PM
Bugonarug: Points for insisting on proper verb usage and syntax agreement. Fark is a contact sport and I'll bring my helmet.

I'm looking at the study as a social scientist so I'm going very narrow on this.

I suggest it is a cheap shot because it's usage implies moral callousness. This is a fact not in evidence. It "might" be true, but seems a poor conclusion from the tiny data set given in the article.

Rationalizing inequality may be good (for example, if applied to yourself) or bad (if applied to moral wrong done to others) but the question was whether people were happy, not good.

Hypothetically....Given a large enough data set you might be able to establish that conservatives are evil and evil is correlated with happiness...but not here.
 
2011-12-10 08:19:49 PM
No brain, no headache.
 
2011-12-10 08:19:51 PM
It's hard to be happy when you're chronically being offended by the natural order of things.
 
2011-12-10 08:21:01 PM
Because "fark you, I got mine" is a comforting ethos. Not right, but comforting.
 
2011-12-10 08:22:28 PM

CheetahOlivetti: No brain, no headache.


Bill Frist disagrees.
 
2011-12-10 08:23:12 PM

quoinguy: Because conservatives know they only helping hand they can count on is at the end of their arm, and they're good with that?

/If you hinge your happiness on outside factors the inevitable helplessness that you feel leads to depression.


Actually, a belief in a greater force controlling one's life rather than oneself controlling it (i.e, "helplessness", "faith") has been shown time and time again to increase happiness and is something of a meme in religious studies Link (new window). This helps the data make sense since, on the whole, conservatives tend to be more religious and spiritual than liberals. Therefore, they are generally happier.

On a personal level, I tend to agree with this theory as well. The happiest people I know in my life are religious conservatives. Liberals tend to be a mixed bag, ranging from pretty happy and cheerful people to bitter and cynical dicks. However, the hands-down most miserable and douchetastic borderline-sociopath assholes I know are almost always self-described libertarian conservatives (see also, 90% of FARK's right-wing trolls). They get the worst of both worlds: they lack both empathy AND faith.
 
2011-12-10 08:23:39 PM
You could have fooled me, given the hateful rhetoric you hear their leaders use.
 
2011-12-10 08:27:54 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?

www.threadbombing.com
You am a winner!

/And so quickly.
 
2011-12-10 08:29:12 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?


Done in one.

Although, it's hard to believe they are actually happier, given their miserable, hateful attitudes towards anything they don't understand, and how their miserable, hateful leaders act when they don't get their way
 
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2011-12-10 08:30:53 PM

voltOhm: Because liberals believe the world is out of resources, that the world is gonna die, that we're going to run out of water and we'll have to start eating each other. They don't trust humanity to take care of itself and they believe we are on our own in the universe with no higher power watching out for us. No wonder they are hopeless. They are at the mercy of their superstitions.


Really? Why are the conservative gun related sites filled with survival food supplies, storage systems, self defense and EOTW (End of The World) advice?

The "End Times" concept is almost entirely a conservative Christian culture in America.
 
2011-12-10 08:32:54 PM

jcooli09: Because conservatives tend lie to themselves and everyone else.



/FTFY
 
2011-12-10 08:38:34 PM
I'll also suggest the following:

Liberals have an easier time rationalizing actions

Conservatives have an easier time rationalizing situations
 
2011-12-10 08:38:43 PM
There was a reason for coining the phrase "happier than a pig in sh*t."
 
2011-12-10 08:39:25 PM
The problem with self-reporting is it doesn't always reflect the actuality of the situation. For instance, take some of the guys I work with. They come into a counseling session, reporting difficulties with irritability and anxiety. When I ask how tense they are, they usually report something low, like a 2 or a 3. The remarkable aspect is when they're saying this when every muscle in their neck and arms are clamped down, their shoulders are around their necks, and I can watch their teeth being ground down in real time from tension.

To put it bluntly, baseline happiness for these mental midgets is being thankful that there was some lube when they were forcibly sodomoized. Liberals dare to dream of a world where they don't have to suffer through it.
 
2011-12-10 08:41:40 PM

SamFlagg: I'll also suggest the following:

Liberals have an easier time rationalizing actions

Conservatives have an easier time rationalizing situations


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Or they are stark raving mad.
 
2011-12-10 08:41:43 PM
Done in one. We were all thinking it. Well, not the conservatives but you get it.
 
2011-12-10 08:46:16 PM

cc_rider: Although, it's hard to believe they are actually happier, given their miserable, hateful attitudes towards anything they don't understand, and how their miserable, hateful leaders act when they don't get their way


Honestly, it's that sort of thing that makes them happy.
 
2011-12-10 08:47:02 PM

thamike: SamFlagg: I'll also suggest the following:

Liberals have an easier time rationalizing actions

Conservatives have an easier time rationalizing situations

This is probably very close to the truth.

 
2011-12-10 08:47:31 PM

Seabon: They compared liberal protesters to conservative think tank employees? I would guess one group is gainfully employed and the other is not. After which, they only got a difference of .5 on a 1-4 scale?

Methinks the methodology could use some work.


Where are you going to find employed liberal protesters to make an equivalent comparison?
 
2011-12-10 08:48:19 PM
Also: it's interesting that none of the trolls have bothered to dispute my statement.
 
2011-12-10 08:50:50 PM
Symptom of delusional thinking?

/but that would mean...
 
2011-12-10 08:51:16 PM

make me some tea: Also: it's interesting that none of the trolls have bothered to dispute my statement.


I don't think they understand it.
 
2011-12-10 08:54:31 PM
If only there were some old saying that could be quoted to sum this up. Something, for instance, relating ignorance and bliss.
 
2011-12-10 08:55:16 PM
Liberals believe in striving for a better world, which can be intimidating, and improving the self, which can take a lot of time, and adjusting their opinions, which can be difficult. Conservatives already know they're right about everything.

To paraphrase a philosopher, I'd rather be a depressed man than a happy pig in shiat.
 
2011-12-10 08:58:10 PM
If conservatives are so happy why are their hosts always bitter and angry?
 
2011-12-10 08:58:21 PM
www.arnizachariassen.com
 
2011-12-10 08:58:29 PM

Elmo Jones: make me some tea: Also: it's interesting that none of the trolls have bothered to dispute my statement.

I don't think they understand it.


Probably, yeah.
 
2011-12-10 08:58:57 PM

sparkeyjames: jcooli09: Because conservatives tend lie to themselves and everyone else.


/FTFY


I started to say that, but reconsidered.

Conservatives have a tendency to believe what they're told by someone they see as an authority, so when they regurgitate it it isn't a lie to them.

The lie they tell themselves is that the voice is telling the truth, or that the truth is simple.

As I keep telling my children, there is a difference in being wrong and lying.
 
2011-12-10 09:00:21 PM

make me some tea: Ignorance is bliss?


I'll take that a step further and note that evil people enjoy being evil.
 
2011-12-10 09:01:09 PM

Jim_Callahan: //Conservative, right-leaning socialist, if anyone hasn't picked up on that from my bad habit of regularly posting around here.


Okay, I really have to ask...how the fark does that work??
 
2011-12-10 09:05:34 PM

make me some tea: MBrady: conservatives liberals know that most things are not broke and that there are no free handouts in life prefer to have their heads in the sand.

FTFY


FTFY
 
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