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2011-12-10 12:58:07 PM
I'm glad we've brought the power of science to a goofy speech mannerism.
 
2011-12-10 02:19:03 PM
That's the noise made by chronic complainers. I don't know anyone who talks like that. Maybe my mom.

Now... people whose voices RISE and sound like they're asking a question at the end of every sentence? I've heard a lot of that.
 
2011-12-10 02:47:02 PM
FishyFred: That's the noise made by chronic complainers. I don't know anyone who talks like that. Maybe my mom.

Now... people whose voices RISE and sound like they're asking a question at the end of every sentence? I've heard a lot of that.


Everyone realizes that sounds stupid- even people who do it. I wonder if the increase in vocal fry might be an unconscious reaction to that. That might be an interesting study.

(Or perhaps American speech is becoming just one big vowel movement.)
 
2011-12-10 03:25:28 PM
I blame Bill Hicks.

Vocal Fry (new window)
 
2011-12-10 04:30:15 PM
That's the sound I make when I don't know the answer to a question.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what is Big Trouble in Little China, Alex?
 
2011-12-10 04:34:30 PM
The .mp3 sample of the vocalization... needs more O face.

www.uncoached.com
 
2011-12-10 04:37:27 PM
Did anyone else think of this first:

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-10 04:39:10 PM
i.imgur.com

THAT'S RIGHT BILLY
I'M BAKED AND I WANT YOU
 
2011-12-10 04:39:44 PM
This is more annoying to me than any other speech affectation. If I hear someone talking like this, (usually on TV/rarely IRL), I want to immediately stop hearing it (changing channel/ending conversation).

/shudder
 
2011-12-10 04:51:53 PM
Stevie Nicks made a career out of it
 
2011-12-10 05:18:02 PM
What a vocal fry may look like

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-10 05:23:25 PM
Farking chicks do that all the time and it's not just from sitting on the cords. It's a grinding nasality, up through the naso-pharynx, that stretches out syllables foreverrrrrrr. Bloody horrendous sound. They also spread the vowels by dropping the jaw excessively. ""The haiirrr on your haaaaad is all raaaaad. Did you just get out of baaaad?"

Terrible farking noise. Shut Up.

This thread needs some Lauren Bacall.
 
2011-12-10 05:42:43 PM
Article needs more Screamo. Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaa!
 
2011-12-10 06:21:05 PM
Yet another reason to hate anyone under twenty five (like I didn't have enough already).
 
2011-12-10 06:28:18 PM
 
2011-12-10 06:34:45 PM
barefoot in the head: Farking chicks do that all the time and it's not just from sitting on the cords. It's a grinding nasality, up through the naso-pharynx, that stretches out syllables foreverrrrrrr. Bloody horrendous sound. They also spread the vowels by dropping the jaw excessively. ""The haiirrr on your haaaaad is all raaaaad. Did you just get out of baaaad?"

Well, I'm glad to know I wasn't imagining this. I've been hearing this kind of noise from young women for years now. Nice to know it has a name.
 
2011-12-10 07:35:51 PM
Inigo: [i.imgur.com image 620x473]

THAT'S RIGHT BILLY
I'M BAKED AND I WANT YOU


I tip my hat to you good sir.
 
2011-12-10 07:40:59 PM
i200.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-10 07:47:01 PM
Needs a pic of that guy in the young republican club from Family Guy.
 
2011-12-10 07:51:39 PM
They're just trying to be sexy, and it works on me. That audio sample made it move a little.
 
2011-12-10 07:53:42 PM
images.wikia.com
 
2011-12-10 08:03:16 PM
i233.photobucket.com

Fark, you're all slipping.
 
Skr
2011-12-10 08:14:46 PM
Never knew that was called vocal fry before I read this article.
It reminds me of An old TWIX commercial that had a very exaggerated example of it.
 
2011-12-10 08:16:15 PM
images.kaneva.com
 
2011-12-10 08:27:34 PM
I think I may edit that audio sample and make it one of my ringtones.

Then I'll call myself from my landline and just let it ring while I nap in my bunk.
 
2011-12-10 09:17:06 PM
34 people is enough to draw any conclusion?
 
2011-12-10 09:24:35 PM
FriarReb98: Fark, you're all slipping.

It was in the headline, what more do you want?
 
2011-12-10 09:25:37 PM
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [i200.photobucket.com image 600x450]

Well done. I wish to add Lundberg to the list.
 
2011-12-10 09:58:54 PM
knbwhite: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [i200.photobucket.com image 600x450]

Well done. I wish to add Lundberg to the list.


Lumbergh? Yeahhh.....

l.yimg.com
 
2011-12-10 10:05:23 PM
Skr: Never knew that was called vocal fry before I read this article.
It reminds me of An old TWIX commercial that had a very exaggerated example of it.


I'd guess that you're a bit younger than me if that reminds you of a Twix commercial and not Ferris Bueller.
 
2011-12-10 10:15:35 PM
huntingothers.com
 
2011-12-10 10:36:21 PM
SoundOfOneHandWanking: 34 people is enough to draw any conclusion?

Sure. For example, I conclude there may be a small sample bias.
 
2011-12-10 10:37:10 PM
I've actually heard this alot in the girls I know. Was wondering if there was a term for it. You can really hear it in the sample when the voice says registers and pitches.

Don't really hear it much in people above 40.
 
2011-12-10 10:56:16 PM
...also known as the default register of Bill Clinton impersonators.
 
2011-12-10 11:05:35 PM
I came to say that I never would have been aware of this except for a previous thread here where someone was complaining about it.

Since then, I can't watch a single episode of Criminal Minds without noticing two or three of the female characters doing it, as well as Reed (Matthew Gray Gubler) doing it on just about every line.

Outside of that, I really don't find it annoying except when it's to the point that I notice it constantly. I catch myself doing it sometimes and I think that's ok sometimes.

ClintonKun: I've actually heard this alot in the girls I know. Was wondering if there was a term for it. You can really hear it in the sample when the voice says registers and pitches.

Don't really hear it much in people above 40.


I'm 31. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I started noticing girls 2 or 3 years younger than me (usually the attractive ones) speaking with harsher, throatier voices. I kinda thought it was attractive, but I couldn't figure out why so many "popular" girls were talking that way. I think it's only a few years later that it seems to have settled to this "vocal fry" at the ends of words.

IlGreven: ...also known as the default register of Bill Clinton impersonators.

You may be onto something there, too. We had a president for 8 years that had this "vocal fry" at the end of nearly every sentence, especially when he was trying to be emphatic, charming, or convincing. That may be part of the influence, at least among Americans.
 
2011-12-10 11:33:54 PM
Holy hell.

I know two women I work with that do this ALL THE FARKING TIME.

It is easily the most irritating affectation EVER. I just didn't know it had a name.

THANK YOU FARK, NOW I KNOW WHAT TO CALL WHAT I'M MAD AT.
 
2011-12-10 11:50:07 PM
jonny_q:

ClintonKun: I've actually heard this alot in the girls I know. Was wondering if there was a term for it. You can really hear it in the sample when the voice says registers and pitches.

Don't really hear it much in people above 40.

I'm 31. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I started noticing girls 2 or 3 years younger than me (usually the attractive ones) speaking with harsher, throatier voices. I kinda thought it was attractive, but I couldn't figure out why so many "popular" girls were talking that way. I think it's only a few years later that it seems to have settled to this "vocal fry" at the ends of words.



I'm 26. I haven't really started to notice it until recently, when I was wondering what English sounds like to foreigners and I noticed that the vocal fry isn't present much outside of North America. To me, it sounds kinda cute, and at least the harshness is fairly mild and usually comes at the end of certain words and sentences, and they don't sound like Tom Waits or something.

Wonder how it came about though, because it sounds natural rather than forced. Might be the natural evolution of the North American accents or something, like how people in Britain in the past few decades started saying "er" rather than "a" at the end of words, like "Americer".
 
2011-12-11 01:32:51 AM
Thank you, barefoot in head, for getting what the author didn't:

It's vocal cords, not vocal "chords."

Jeez, I've seen some highly-placed classical/opera writers screw that one up.......
 
2011-12-11 01:37:40 AM
Forgetting Sarah Marshall was just on. I realized that Mila Kunis talks EXACTLY like the girls I was referring to earlier - the constantly harsher throaty voice - I bet she's a horrible singer, but it's a fairly sexy voice. She's also right smack in the age group I was referring to.

However, the other actresses I referred to - Criminal Minds especially - are older, and they mainly just have the milder "fry" on the ends of phrases.

My guess on the fry is that it's a form a humility (or sometimes faux humility) and politeness to try not to sound too assertive.

That and there's something about making a sound when you speak that similar to sounds you make at other times...
 
2011-12-11 02:29:03 AM
some.old.lady.: This is more annoying to me than any other speech affectation. If I hear someone talking like this, (usually on TV/rarely IRL), I want to immediately stop hearing it (changing channel/ending conversation).

/shudder


American women with pinched, squeaky, nasal accents are the absolute worst.
 
2011-12-11 05:35:55 AM

A comment from the Science short that TFA was ripped off from:

"Maybe this is a reaction to "valley girl" speech which ends sentential phrases with a pitch rise.

[ Valtalk while originating in the 1970 in the San Fernando valley still exists today mainly in colleges, particularly sororities, where women learn it as an in-group thing and then mostly drop it after graduation. You can hear traces of Valtalk in Megan McCain, Sen. McCain's daughter ] "
 
2011-12-11 12:27:03 PM
Gordon Bennett: American women with pinched, squeaky, nasal accents are the absolute worst.

www.kentfeiler.com
 
2011-12-11 12:45:41 PM
barefoot in the head: Farking chicks do that all the time and it's not just from sitting on the cords. It's a grinding nasality, up through the naso-pharynx, that stretches out syllables foreverrrrrrr. Bloody horrendous sound. They also spread the vowels by dropping the jaw excessively. ""The haiirrr on your haaaaad is all raaaaad. Did you just get out of baaaad?"

Terrible farking noise. Shut Up.

This thread needs some Lauren Bacall.


HOLY SHIAT! The women around you are allowed to talk?
 
2011-12-11 04:21:29 PM
FishyFred: That's the noise made by chronic complainers. I don't know anyone who talks like that. Maybe my mom.

Now... people whose voices RISE and sound like they're asking a question at the end of every sentence? I've heard a lot of that.


Those people are called "Canadians."
 
2011-12-11 05:54:20 PM
halB: barefoot in the head: Farking chicks do that all the time and it's not just from sitting on the cords. It's a grinding nasality, up through the naso-pharynx, that stretches out syllables foreverrrrrrr. Bloody horrendous sound. They also spread the vowels by dropping the jaw excessively. ""The haiirrr on your haaaaad is all raaaaad. Did you just get out of baaaad?"

Terrible farking noise. Shut Up.

This thread needs some Lauren Bacall.

HOLY SHIAT! The women around you are allowed to talk?


Don't mistake strong opinion for narrow-mindedness. I love a voice with pleasant timbre and at least passably good articulation. I hate a nasal, hurried squawk. It foreshadows more than meets the ear.
 
2011-12-13 12:04:55 PM
Listen to non-news programming on NPR and you'll hear this a lot. I just marked it up to bored-with-life urban douchebag syndrome.

Lookin' at you, Ira.
 
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