I was just looking at the interactive map on The Guardian about how much each country pollutes. We're #1! We're #1!

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Since it's the natural cycle of nature & not man made there's nothing they can do anyway.

What climate change?

Hey, hand me that oil pipeline, would ya? I'm feeling like a snack.

I suppose smoking causes cancer, too.

Gyrfalcon: Ha

I'd say "careful what you wish for" but you are full on china shop rampaging here...:D

Ooh! Ooh! I got dibs on "fark-all"!

For most of earths history there were no ice caps and the climate was much warmer. The time we live in is an aberration. Let's let the earth return to its normal state. (like we have a choice)

adiabat: Since the climate has been changing since long before mankind ...

Forest fires have been around long before man. Therefore, no forest fires are anthropogenic.

Climate change has been around long before man. Therefore, climate change is never anthropogenic.

We will all die on this rock for the sake of greed without ever colonizing space.

By the time the climate changes enough to adversely affect my life I'll be long gone.So who gives a flying fark?

/Turns up the thermostat

Yeah I guess the right to endlessly burn hydrocarbons for fun and profit won out.

We should just accept that people are idiots and start working on how to live with the changes at this point.

It's snowing right outside my window RIGHT NOW subby.
I bet you feel stupid now.

So, tell me, when everything goes to shiat and we're all farked, how will the Neo-Con blame it on the "Liberal Elite"? Cause you know they are going to do it, I just am curious how.

It's 10 degrees F outside.

Where's global WARMING now?!

I honestly want to care about this stuff, but when China and India are both going, "Fark you! We has developing nation status, lulz," while probably accounting for 1/4 of the world population between them, it sort of makes the point moot.

/fark it, I recycled a box of paper today

Gyrfalcon: You know, I've reached the point where I'm just saying "LET climate change happen. Let's let the world warm up; in fact, let's do whatever we can to accelerate it!" I'd like to see permafrost thaw in my lifetime, and half of Florida collapse into huge sinkholes, and the final retreat of all the world's glaciers.

I can deal with the upcoming droughts, insect-borne plagues, food shortages, and other calamities fine; being an anthropologist I know what's coming. So for everyone who's in denial: Screw you. And for everyone who's still running around counting carbon credits and pointing fingers: Screw you. I'll be up in the Sierras eating rats and pine nuts and drinking snow melt while you all die from resurgent malaria and yellow fever. Ha!

Sadly, THIS, I guess. What's the farking point of caring anymore? biatch all we want, seriously, there aren't enough people in the right places doing the right things.

Pff...You really expect me to believe humans could cause some kind of large-scale damage that would kill off the ocean plants that produce most of the oxygen we breathe?

For that to happen you'd have to like, drill a huge hole in the floor of the ocean and release tons of toxic chemicals and cut down most of the forests on the planets surface.

It's ludicrous to believe humans have any ability to do anything whatsoever and it shows your lack of faith in Superjesus.

I prefer to get my science from celebrities and P.R. firms hired by multinational corporations.

Geoengineering. Learn to love it.

adiabat: Since the climate has been changing since long before mankind or countries existed, perhaps the headline should read: What can countries do to tackle climate change? It ranges from "jack shiat" to "not much"

7/10

Climate change is happening because 14 million illegal aliens all came north at about the same time and at a low estimate average of 100.bs each, which is 1.4 billion pounds, that's a lot of weight and it threw off the earth's rotation just enough. Same thing happened 10,000 years ago when they crossed the land bridge from Asia and populated North America. They threw off the rotation of the earth and that's how the ice age ended.

cryinoutloud: I was just looking at the interactive map on The Guardian about how much each country pollutes. We're #1! We're #1!

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gg china

Does anyone here realize there is a cycle of arguments on Fark? Climate change is one, what exactly started the Civil War is another, etc.....Does anyone think anything is actually being accomplished with these debates? Has anyone's mind been changed? Honestly, I would like to know if anyone went from denying to seeing things the way they are, or the other way around....


/Frustrated by Sagan's word about beautiful dreams and horrible nightmares...
//Possibly drunk to take with a grain of salt...

So let me see if I've got this right.

One group of people want an apocalypse because they think that Jeebus will come out to play once enough shiat hits the fan.

Another bunch will reject anything told to them by quote liberals unquote.

Another bunch will fark over tomorrow to put a meal on the table today.

Another bunch will be apathetic since apathy is "cool" and doing stuff is not.

A few will genuinely believe nothing is wrong and ridicule anything not fitting that view.

A very few will know that things they do are making the situation worse but they are making so much money making things worse they don't care or feel they'll have enough cash to live somewhere nice while the hoi polloi rots.

Finally there are a few who see the problem and are starting to get scared by the implications. These people are suffering from the Cassandra Syndrome where the more truth they speak the more people will ignore them.

fark me, what a species.

/and yeah, I'm getting scared of the implications. We ain't seen nothing yet.

dudemanbro: Whatever, we're dead. It would be nice if some people cared, but they don't.

i sure dont give a shiat. it's not my farking problem.

Watching the human race over the past decade, especially America, has left me wishing climate change would hurry up. Humanity doesn't really deserve to continue in its present form. Global destabilization and the conflict that will ensue will actually make the humans that survive appreciate what they've got instead of being biatchy about being asked to pay for what they've taken.

dudemanbro: Whatever, we're dead. It would be nice if some people cared, but they don't.

not in my lifetime

farbles: So let me see if I've got this right.

One group of people want an apocalypse because they think that Jeebus will come out to play once enough shiat hits the fan.

Another bunch will reject anything told to them by quote liberals unquote.

Another bunch will fark over tomorrow to put a meal on the table today.

Another bunch will be apathetic since apathy is "cool" and doing stuff is not.

A few will genuinely believe nothing is wrong and ridicule anything not fitting that view.

A very few will know that things they do are making the situation worse but they are making so much money making things worse they don't care or feel they'll have enough cash to live somewhere nice while the hoi polloi rots.

Finally there are a few who see the problem and are starting to get scared by the implications. These people are suffering from the Cassandra Syndrome where the more truth they speak the more people will ignore them.

fark me, what a species.

/and yeah, I'm getting scared of the implications. We ain't seen nothing yet.

You forgot about the "So Vote Republican" crowd.

/time to batten down the hatches, we're heading for a serious course correction as a species.
//Anyone got the odds on plague vs famine as the herd thinning mechanism?

cryinoutloud: I was just looking at the interactive map on The Guardian about how much each country pollutes. We're #1! We're #1!

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Yeah, but that is to produce 30% of everything. Go put that in relation to what is produced, then go after the countries that waste 3x as much to produce the same item.

SoxSweepAgain: Whaddya suppose was the calamity that formed the backdrop for Carmac McCarthy's The Road?

The massive earthquakes in my mind suggested an asteroid or something akin to that....It's the only explanation I could come up with, but this is Fark and the place has surprised the shiat out of me before so...Good question..

Thirty years ago the "experts" said if we did not do something now in twenty years the planet will be in crisis. The cry of "In twenty years we are screwed" is now over thirty years old. There has been a small amount of warming, but the temperature is still less than recent (within a thousand years) highs.

It is normal for the climate to change, 12,000 years ago the Sahara Desert was lush and green. When you look at the ice age cycle we are on an ascending trend and have been for thousands of years and temperatures are below the highs of the last peek.

The real question, "Is the current temperature rise caused by man?" has not been answered.

Wert789: The real question, "Is the current temperature rise caused by man?" has not been answered.

It's been answered pretty damn well. We know that the cause of the current warming is increased greenhouse gas concentration in the atmosphere, and we know that humans are the cause.

What do you suggest as an alternative? And no, solar cycles don't count, we know it isn't those.

Watching the human race over the past decade, especially America, has left me wishing climate change would hurry up. Humanity doesn't really deserve to continue in its present form. Global destabilization and the conflict that will ensue will actually make the humans that survive appreciate what they've got instead of being biatchy about being asked to pay for what they've taken.

I'm afraid that the humans best equipped to survive the calamity will mostly be the very vermin who attenuated and denied and obstructed and consigned us to this fate.

some places that are already hot, like california, will become vast deserts; other places that are precariously near the ocean, like new orleans, will submerge like atlantis; however, a few select places, like canada, will only benefit from global warming. it's cold here. i don't mind if it heats up

Wert789: The real question, "Is the current temperature rise caused by man?" has not been answered.

Considering that we know the effect of carbon dioxide on solar radiation, and we know that the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased dramatically in modern times, and we know that the primary source of that carbion dioxide increase is humans, the question HAS been answered.

I could stand a little global warming just for the time being. It's cold as a well digger's ass outside right now.

/throws another tire on the fire...

Wert789: Thirty years ago the "experts" said if we did not do something now in twenty years the planet will be in crisis. The cry of "In twenty years we are screwed" is now over thirty years old. There has been a small amount of warming, but the temperature is still less than recent (within a thousand years) highs.

It is normal for the climate to change, 12,000 years ago the Sahara Desert was lush and green. When you look at the ice age cycle we are on an ascending trend and have been for thousands of years and temperatures are below the highs of the last peek.

The real question, "Is the current temperature rise caused by man?" has not been answered.

12000 years ago, the the Sahara Desert was much closer to groundwater. The shift in climate in the Sahara has nothing to do with the man made climate change currently being discussed.