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It's all over, nothing more to see here folks.

That kid's face is pleasantly generic. I hope he never is groped or gropes anybody.

Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

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It's all over, nothing more to see here folks.

Let me just add this one real quick.

Send him away for 3 million years!!

What a smeghead might look like

2 rape threads greenlit in a row... Fark must like rape.

I'm sure some lawyers will come to find him. He won't get any money out of this but the lawyers will get his legal bill wiped clean and deportation stopped. Its good PR for the lawyers.

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It's all over, nothing more to see here folks.

Let me just add this one real quick.

[www.doobybrain.com image 600x451]

Oh shiat, that looks like me.

Satanic_Hamster: fusillade762: Begoggle: shanrick: [img716.imageshack.us image 420x315]

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It's all over, nothing more to see here folks.

Let me just add this one real quick.

[www.doobybrain.com image 600x451]

Oh shiat, that looks like me.

There's no point in running son, you're never gonna get anywhere in that wheel.

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KABC 7(Ric Romero's station) Marc Brown-that was my green, yo!

PyroStock: 2 rape threads greenlit in a row... Fark must like rape.

very dissappoint - was expecting you to say rape three times.

U8D1EyedSnake: Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

For those that need a more easily understood translation:

Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

Allen262: I'm sure some lawyers will come to find him. He won't get any money out of this but the lawyers will get his legal bill wiped clean and deportation stopped. Its good PR for the lawyers.

He's still an illegal alien but only the FEDs can deport him not some local New York cops he was never in any real danger of deportation.

Allen262: I'm sure some lawyers will come to find him. He won't get any money out of this but the lawyers will get his legal bill wiped clean and deportation stopped. Its good PR for the lawyers.

The deportation did stop and it's his lawyers giving him the legal bill. He's all set it only cost him a few grand and a few months of his life because of a backlog of forensic testing.

Mr Giraldo handed himself in to clear his name... he did not call a lawyer

What an idiot.

that picture of the dunkin donuts was so necessary to the story.

Never Talk to the police!! Not without a lawyer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Even if you have nothing to hide, it is their JOB to attempt to get you to confess.. or slip up.. or twist your words. Also if you admit to anything unrelated to the case, but could result in charges pressed, they WILL do it. It is their JOB.

ArcadianRefugee said it best!!

If the police ever came for me, I'd ask for a lawyer before they could even get the cuffs on.

fark the cops.

I'll take the rapists for 800

ArcadianRefugee: U8D1EyedSnake: Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

For those that need a more easily understood translation:

Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

Now see, you need to have some context in your statement there. Take me for example. I live in a village of 16 people which is the district seat (which means the sheriff is one of those 16 people). Say for instance I'm at the riverside and grilling some steaks with Len (the sheriff) and he asks, "are the steaks ready yet?" C'mon he's both my mate and I need to tell him just a Jiffy more. Now however, say I've tossed down a few pints at the next village (8 people) and am headed home -- he stops me and says, "have you been drinking?" I'd say nothing but, "am I free to go?" It'd work out for the best.

/CMBSB

smooshie: Mr Giraldo told the New York Daily News: 'I don't have anything to hide, so why not go over there and clear my name. I told them I have nothing do to with this.

Famous last words. Understand that the police and prosecutors would rather arrest and punish the wrong guy than no one. Proceed from there.

What's wrong with rape?

drjekel_mrhyde: What's wrong with rape?

I dunno but I hear the Canadians have whole fields of the stuff. *shudder*

So, will the next thread be about Sandusky to complete the trifecta?

PyroStock: 2 rape threads greenlit in a row... Fark must like rape.

"Fark said rape twice..." would be the meme.

U8D1EyedSnake: Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

This, a million times this, infinity times this. Plus one.

If you are ever arrested, the one thing you must understand above all else is this: you cannot talk or explain your way out of it. The police are not investigating a crime, they are trying to get a confession. Let me repeat: the police are not interviewing you to investigate a crime, they are trying to get you to confess to it. They don't have the slightest interest in why you might not be involved; they only care about convincing a prosecutor, and then a jury, that you are involved.

The police are legally permitted to lie to you to get you to confess. They will tell you they already have witnesses against you. They will tell you that codefendants have already confessed. They will tell you that if you just tell them what they want to hear, they'll make sure the judge knows and you can get less time. They will tell you that your family will be in trouble if you don't admit what they already know you did. They will tell you that they're just trying to "clear this up" and they aren't really interested in throwing the book at you. You're a small time player, you're not the one they're really after. They really want to help you, but they can't do anything for you unless you first "help yourself."

It's all lies, 100% of it, because the minute you say what they want to hear--or a reasonable facsimile of what they think is a confession--the interview is over, they run off to the prosecutor to get the prosecution started, and suddenly all that help they talked about evaporates. But it's too late for you, because you've confessed, and now they have it recorded, or you signed some statement they "helped" you write. Or they don't even bother to make a record, they just rely on their own cop memory to relate accurately everything they think they remember you saying.

But even if you maintain you're innocent until the bitter end, it does not matter. Your protestation of innocence, your explanations are the best proof against you. Normal people make mistakes, but arrestees give inconsistent statements. Normal people forget things, but arrestees conceal information. Normal people are imprecise, arrestees lie. Normal people might not know someone's name, but arrestees are trying to protect someone. Normal people just hang out at home sometimes, but arrestees can't prove where they were. Normal people have friends, arrestees have "associates." It never ends.

So, yeah, never talk to the police. Ever.

Hydra: culebra: Famous last words. Understand that the police and prosecutors would rather arrest and punish the wrong guy than no one. Proceed from there.

Genuine question: are prosecutors, DAs, and police compensated more for a higher arrest/incarceration/conviction rate/cases closed?

/not a lawyer

I don't think there is an actual quota system in place most of the time or anything. However, prosecutors (many of whom endeavor to become judges) build their careers on convictions and basically do so with impunity. Misconduct on the part of prosecution is hard to prove, so many prosecutors proceed with little fear. If it turns out the guy was innocent all along, the prosecution doesn't lose a wink of sleep because he will rarely be punished or fired. There is literally no incentive for prosecutors to be anything but overzealous assholes....and this actually benefits us in some cases.

As for the police, the more productive they seem the more likely they are to get funding. Often times it comes down to boredom. A mistaken arrest is still something to break up the monotony and maybe break out the new taxpayer-funded toys.

They don't even need quotas when so often they perceive the populace as the enemy.

cepson: U8D1EyedSnake: Get a lawyer. Never talk to the police. Police are not your friends and they will use whatever you say against you.

This, a million times this, infinity times this. Plus one.

If you are ever arrested, the one thing you must understand above all else is this: you cannot talk or explain your way out of it. The police are not investigating a crime, they are trying to get a confession. Let me repeat: the police are not interviewing you to investigate a crime, they are trying to get you to confess to it. They don't have the slightest interest in why you might not be involved; they only care about convincing a prosecutor, and then a jury, that you are involved.

The police are legally permitted to lie to you to get you to confess. They will tell you they already have witnesses against you. They will tell you that codefendants have already confessed. They will tell you that if you just tell them what they want to hear, they'll make sure the judge knows and you can get less time. They will tell you that your family will be in trouble if you don't admit what they already know you did. They will tell you that they're just trying to "clear this up" and they aren't really interested in throwing the book at you. You're a small time player, you're not the one they're really after. They really want to help you, but they can't do anything for you unless you first "help yourself."

It's all lies, 100% of it, because the minute you say what they want to hear--or a reasonable facsimile of what they think is a confession--the interview is over, they run off to the prosecutor to get the prosecution started, and suddenly all that help they talked about evaporates. But it's too late for you, because you've confessed, and now they have it recorded, or you signed some statement they "helped" you write. Or they don't even bother to make a record, they just rely on their own cop memory to relate accurately everything they think they remember you saying.

But even if you maintain you're innocent until the bitter end, it does not matter. Your protestation of innocence, your explanations are the best proof against you. Normal people make mistakes, but arrestees give inconsistent statements. Normal people forget things, but arrestees conceal information. Normal people are imprecise, arrestees lie. Normal people might not know someone's name, but arrestees are trying to protect someone. Normal people just hang out at home sometimes, but arrestees can't prove where they were. Normal people have friends, arrestees have "associates." It never ends.

So, yeah, never talk to the police. Ever.

You sound paroled.

culebra: Hydra: culebra: Famous last words. Understand that the police and prosecutors would rather arrest and punish the wrong guy than no one. Proceed from there.

Genuine question: are prosecutors, DAs, and police compensated more for a higher arrest/incarceration/conviction rate/cases closed?

/not a lawyer

I don't think there is an actual quota system in place most of the time or anything. However, prosecutors (many of whom endeavor to become judges) build their careers on convictions and basically do so with impunity. Misconduct on the part of prosecution is hard to prove, so many prosecutors proceed with little fear. If it turns out the guy was innocent all along, the prosecution doesn't lose a wink of sleep because he will rarely be punished or fired. There is literally no incentive for prosecutors to be anything but overzealous assholes....and this actually benefits us in some cases.

As for the police, the more productive they seem the more likely they are to get funding. Often times it comes down to boredom. A mistaken arrest is still something to break up the monotony and maybe break out the new taxpayer-funded toys.

They don't even need quotas when so often they perceive the populace as the enemy.

I think the reason police and prosecutors don't seem to care whether they have the right person has little to do with compensation for convictions or even criticism for not closing cases. I think they have such a cynical view of their job, coupled with such an inflated opinion of their own capabilities, that they simply can't imagine that they could be wrong.

Part if the reason is that they are so often right. It's not that hard to solve most crimes. Criminals tend to be dumb, and they leave evidence and witnesses all over the place. So most of the time, the cops arrest the right person without having to do any real investigation, and the confession and lineup are mere formalities. It's a sad fact that most people who are arrested are, in fact, guilty. And a lot of guilty people confess, and a lot of guilty people claim they're innocent, and a lot of guilty people can give a pretty convincing imitation of innocence, and a lot of guilty people couldn't lie their way out of a paper bag. And even an open and shut case is always going to have some weird information associated with it that no one can explain.

It's my experience that guilty people and innocent people are pretty hard to tell apart if you just go by what they say. Some people are very convincing liars, and some innocent people have a lot of trouble just making a simple declaratory statement. So the police may not have a clue whether the person they're talking to is innocent or guilty, but what they do know is that the odds are that he is, in fact, guilty. So no matter what he says, no matter what contradictory evidence they get, there is nothing about the case that suggests to them that this is any different from the 200 other cases they've investigated.

So basically, innocent people are arrested and prosecuted because law enforcement types aren't any better than anyone else at distinguishing between the guilty and the innocent. But they think they are, and they don't like to be told otherwise.

I have an idea. Video surveillance footage cannot be used in court unless it is taken with a HD camera from an angle that shows more than bald spots and foreheads.

Surprised no one has posted this yet: former criminal defense attorney tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police [without a lawyer] (new window, YouTube link)