Wow. Just...wow.

Reject the two-state solution if you will, but that is an incredibly ignorant and dangerous thing to say.

Can you see this asshole conducting diplomacy?

If the US were Israel and the Palestinians were native Americans, how many New Yorkers would walk away from their properties in the name of peace? After all, they gave away a land to us (like the Arab coalition countries did in the 1940's with the expectation of driving the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. Oops! The Israelis kicked their rears and carved out a nice nation. Now the losers are wanting it back.

So when we, the US, give all the assets we stole from the natives back, then we can preach to Israel that this is a good idea.

You know who else thought a Semitic people weren't really people?

That's like claiming that black South Africans are an invented people while the Afrikaners are the rightful inhabitants of the land.

Blatant Israel whoring, exactly what we need more of. Thanks Newt. So, how exactly are they an invented people when they lived in what is now Israel for centuries?

EnviroDude: If the US were Israel and the Palestinians were native Americans, how many New Yorkers would walk away from their properties in the name of peace? After all, they gave away a land to us (like the Arab coalition countries did in the 1940's with the expectation of driving the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. Oops! The Israelis kicked their rears and carved out a nice nation. Now the losers are wanting it back.

So when we, the US, give all the assets we stole from the natives back, then we can preach to Israel that this is a good idea.

That's a highly tenuous analogy. And again, not to sound like a girl, it's not necessarily what Gingrich said but how he said it. And, I'm sorry, if he really believes the Palestinians are "invented" he needs to turn in his history degrees.

This is just further evidence of either:

1) He's really not running. He's energizing the base in light of a dismal slate of candidates.
2) His overwhelming megalomania makes him believe he can say whatever he wants without consequences.

EnviroDude: If the US were Israel and the Palestinians were native Americans, how many New Yorkers would walk away from their properties in the name of peace? After all, they gave away a land to us (like the Arab coalition countries did in the 1940's with the expectation of driving the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. Oops! The Israelis kicked their rears and carved out a nice nation. Now the losers are wanting it back.

So when we, the US, give all the assets we stole from the natives back, then we can preach to Israel that this is a good idea.

That's a special kind of stupid right there.

Diogenes: That's a highly tenuous analogy.

It's not highly tenuous. It's just f*cking terrible and demonstrates extreme ignorance about history, both Middle Eastern and American.

The creation of Israel bears no resemblance whatsoever to the creation of the United States.

The shocking thing here is that someone running for president spoke the truth. Newt's a historian. He knows how these Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, etc became known as "Palestinians", even if many others do not.

Of course, Newt is also a politician, so he knows that this is a very undiplomatic thing to say. Not sure if that really matters though.

MeinRS6: The shocking thing here is that someone running for president spoke the truth. Newt's a historian. He knows how these Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, etc became known as "Palestinians", even if many others do not.

It's actually really similar to how Jews from Europe, the USSR, and North America came to the Middle East to become Israelis.

MeinRS6: The shocking thing here is that someone running for president spoke the truth. Newt's a historian. He knows how these Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, etc became known as "Palestinians", even if many others do not.

Of course, Newt is also a politician, so he knows that this is a very undiplomatic thing to say. Not sure if that really matters though.

Not if he's not in it to win it, as I said.

And yes, it is true that the Palestinians are unwanted by many of the neighboring states. And the pisser is when those same states use the Palestinians as their proxy in their arguments with Israel. But is an Israeli any less an invented person than a Palestinian by the same standards? Nomadic, unwanted, and desiring of a land that's part of their history and culture.

I don't think they have any right to be recognized as a nation until they are willing to recognize Israel as a nation.

violentsalvation: I don't think they have any right to be recognized as a nation until they are willing to recognize Israel as a nation.

They have since 1993. That's what was so big about the Oslo Accords.

Aarontology: MeinRS6: The shocking thing here is that someone running for president spoke the truth. Newt's a historian. He knows how these Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, etc became known as "Palestinians", even if many others do not.

It's actually really similar to how Jews from Europe, the USSR, and North America came to the Middle East to become Israelis.

It's nothing like that. Read a history book. Jeezus.

The pretend that these arabs from several neighboring states showed up to create a "Palestinian state" is absurd. I mean, you're not even trying.

MeinRS6: It's nothing like that. Read a history book. Jeezus.

I studied history at the same university Gingrich did. WHAT NOW?

Diogenes: But is an Israeli any less an invented person than a Palestinian by the same standards?

Do you know if there was ever a Jewish state on this land in history? We know that there was never a state formed by the made up Pals. That's the difference. There have always been arabs in the neighborhood though. No one is denying that. No one called them "Palestinians" until a certain agenda started and that's what Newt is talking about when he says they were "invented".

Aarontology: violentsalvation: I don't think they have any right to be recognized as a nation until they are willing to recognize Israel as a nation.

They have since 1993. That's what was so big about the Oslo Accords.

PLO does, or did, the majority Hamas does not.

MeinRS6: Aarontology: MeinRS6: The shocking thing here is that someone running for president spoke the truth. Newt's a historian. He knows how these Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, etc became known as "Palestinians", even if many others do not.

It's actually really similar to how Jews from Europe, the USSR, and North America came to the Middle East to become Israelis.

It's nothing like that. Read a history book. Jeezus.

The pretend that these arabs from several neighboring states showed up to create a "Palestinian state" is absurd. I mean, you're not even trying.

The notion that there was absolutely nobody living in Israel before 1947 is just absurd. I mean, you're not even trying.

MeinRS6: Diogenes: But is an Israeli any less an invented person than a Palestinian by the same standards?

Do you know if there was ever a Jewish state on this land in history? We know that there was never a state formed by the made up Pals. That's the difference. There have always been arabs in the neighborhood though. No one is denying that. No one called them "Palestinians" until a certain agenda started and that's what Newt is talking about when he says they were "invented".

The Israeli state is invented. All states are artificial constructions. Not the people. An Arab Israeli by any other name....

violentsalvation: I don't think they have any right to be recognized as a nation until they are willing to recognize Israel as a nation.

What's left of their country shouldn't be recognized because they don't respect their oppressors?

Aarontology: MeinRS6: It's nothing like that. Read a history book. Jeezus.

I studied history at the same university Gingrich did. WHAT NOW?

Time for you to hit the books again, if you honestly believe what you posted above.

violentsalvation: PLO does, or did, the majority Hamas does not.

And? We don't recognize Hamas. We recognize the PLO.

MeinRS6: Time for you to hit the books again, if you honestly believe what you posted above.

Let me check with Gingrich on it. I'm sure his dissertation on Belgian education policies in the Congo will shed some light on the subject.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: MeinRU486: We know that there was never a state formed by the made up Pals.

September 26, 1923 - formation of the British Mandate of Palestine by the League of Nations. I'm assuming that it's inhabitants were called Palestinians, but they could have all been called "Greg".

Alright, I laughed and now my cubicle neighbor thinks I'm weird.

Aarontology: MeinRS6: It's nothing like that. Read a history book. Jeezus.

I studied history at the same university Gingrich did. WHAT NOW?



ROLL WAVE! We got Newt and Jerry Springer!

Nabb1: ROLL WAVE! We got Newt and Jerry Springer!

Don't forget Jeb and one of the Yahoo (I think it's Yahoo) guys.

You know, yesterday I would have said it was impossible for anyone to argue that Palestine doesn't exist because it's simply too stupid of a position for even a Republican to take, but this thread is really proving me wrong.

Nabb1: ROLL WAVE! We got Newt and Jerry Springer!

I didn't know Newt was a Tulane alum.

That's something else we have in common, in addition to a predilection for banging robots.

Aarontology: Don't forget Jeb and one of the Yahoo (I think it's Yahoo) guys.

yeah there aren't any Palestinians because nobody called that land Palestine before 1948, right?



"Palestine in the time of Saul." From Atlas of the Historical Geography of the Holy Land. Smith, George Adam. London, 1915.



From "A Classical Atlas, to Illustrate Ancient Geography; Comprised in Twenty-Five maps, Showing the Various Divisions of the World as Known to the Ancients; Composed from the Most Authentic Sources." by Alexander G. Findlay, F.R.G.S. 1849.

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: ROLL WAVE! We got Newt and Jerry Springer!

I didn't know Newt was a Tulane alum.

That's something else we have in common, in addition to a predilection for banging robots.

If banging robots is wrong, well, I don't wanna be right.

Nabb1: gilgigamesh: Nabb1: ROLL WAVE! We got Newt and Jerry Springer!

I didn't know Newt was a Tulane alum.

That's something else we have in common, in addition to a predilection for banging robots.

If banging robots is wrong, well, I don't wanna be right.

I think they spray something onto the students during orientation in McAllister that makes them want to bang robots, because I do too.

Aarontology: You know who else thought a Semitic people weren't really people?

Israelis are the only Semitic people. That's why "anti-Semite" only refers to "anti-Jew".

/waiting......

Smart move submitting this thread after sundown on a Friday, by the way.

cameroncrazy1984: Smart move submitting this thread after sundown on a Friday, by the way.

This is the calmest and friendliest Israel thread I've ever seen.

hillbillypharmacist: This is the calmest and friendliest Israel thread I've ever seen.

F*ck you, Hitler.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: MeinRU486: We know that there was never a state formed by the made up Pals.

September 26, 1923 - formation of the British Mandate of Palestine by the League of Nations. I'm assuming that it's inhabitants were called Palestinians, but they could have all been called "Greg".

One of my Hebrew School teachers was a Palestinian... He was born in Palestine in 1941.

sigdiamond2000: F*ck you, Hitler.

Oh hey, I need to borrow some money.

hillbillypharmacist: cameroncrazy1984: Smart move submitting this thread after sundown on a Friday, by the way.

This is the calmest and friendliest Israel thread I've ever seen.

Look who isn't in here yet.

Invented people.... So Palestinians are Smurfs and Israel is the evil Jewish magician?

Ahmadinejad: Iran has no gay people

Gingrich: Israel has no Palestinian people.

MeinRS6: o one called them "Palestinians" until a certain agenda started and that's what Newt is talking about when he says they were "invented".

From conservapedia (so you know it's trustworthy):

The breakup of the Ottoman Empire after their defeat in World War I saw the region come under the control of Great Britain. While there was always a Jewish remnant who never left, Jewish re-emigration to the area increased under the tolerant eyes of the British. This increased after the atrocities of World War II and the areas were given their independence with Palestine being divided into separate Jewish and Arab nations, the Jewish nation being called Israel and the Arab Palestine.

EnviroDude: If the US were Israel and the Palestinians were native Americans, how many New Yorkers would walk away from their properties in the name of peace? After all, they gave away a land to us (like the Arab coalition countries did in the 1940's with the expectation of driving the Israelis into the Mediterranean Sea. Oops! The Israelis kicked their rears and carved out a nice nation. Now the losers are wanting it back.

So when we, the US, give all the assets we stole from the natives back, then we can preach to Israel that this is a good idea.

That's a false analogy. We committed genocide on the Indians fair and square. A dead man makes no claims.

"Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. We have invented the Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs and are historically part of the Arab people, and they had the chance to go many places."

It's like.. Derpception.

wait, this is important: what kind of robots are we talking about banging here? like, assembly plant robotic arms, or like metal robotic androids?

Marcus Aurelius: We committed genocide on the Indians fair and square. A dead man makes no claims.

It's horrific, but it's perfectly true.