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2011-12-10 11:19:15 AM
Reunite Gondwanaland!
 
2011-12-10 11:20:11 AM

Amos Quito: Your little racist/ethnocentrist game called "Zionism" has filled many glasses with the blood of Jew and Gentile alike - and you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Acclaimed historian Martin Gilbert writes that David Ben Gurion (ultra Zionist and the first Prime Minister of Israel) saw the Holocaust as a "beneficial disaster"; "a relatively modest catastrophe that his Zionist concept defined as suitable for exploitation.'

Maybe you can get what you want, if you're willing to pay the price.

Have you counted the cost, lately?


/Mind that looming balloon payment, Porous Horace


Again with this out-of-context edited quote debunked and explained in detail for you in this thread (search for "out-of-context quote").

At least try to come up with new anti-semitic bullshiat, your old material stinks.
 
2011-12-10 11:30:23 AM

Amos Quito: So either the region was known as "Palestine" (and its inhabitants as Palestinians"), or His Majesty promised the Zionists a chunk of land that "never existed".


And if you weren't clueless as you are you would know that a century ago the word "palestinians" was used to describe the jews living there. The modern palestinian nationality as we know it today came about in 1967.

There was never a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological find nor coins. The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history.
 
2011-12-10 11:48:53 AM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Your little racist/ethnocentrist game called "Zionism" has filled many glasses with the blood of Jew and Gentile alike - and you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Acclaimed historian Martin Gilbert writes that David Ben Gurion (ultra Zionist and the first Prime Minister of Israel) saw the Holocaust as a "beneficial disaster"; "a relatively modest catastrophe that his Zionist concept defined as suitable for exploitation.'

Maybe you can get what you want, if you're willing to pay the price.

Have you counted the cost, lately?


/Mind that looming balloon payment, Porous Horace

Again with this out-of-context edited quote debunked and explained in detail for you in this thread (search for "out-of-context quote").



Debunked? If you keep saying that often enough, maybe it will magically become true? And isn't that the thread where you claimed that the famous Jewish historian Sir Martin John Gilbert was a "British playwright"? LOL!


TappingTheVein: At least try to come up with new anti-semitic bullshiat, your old material stinks.


On the contrary, the "old material" sheds important light on the pernicious mindset of the murderous band of bastards known as "Zionists" that worked so hard and sacrificed the lives of so many for the sake of placing as many Jews as possible in a perpetual state of war in the hellhole we now call "Israel".

Keep flapping your arms, TappingTheVein.
 
2011-12-10 11:53:01 AM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: So either the region was known as "Palestine" (and its inhabitants as Palestinians"), or His Majesty promised the Zionists a chunk of land that "never existed".

And if you weren't clueless as you are you would know that a century ago the word "palestinians" was used to describe the jews living there. The modern palestinian nationality as we know it today came about in 1967.

There was never a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological find nor coins. The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history.


How do you explain the Balfour Declaration that Amos Quintos pasted in full, wherein it clearly refers to Palestine as a place, and furthermore, a place with a significant amount of people living there who aren't Jews?

I'm just curious.
 
2011-12-10 11:55:49 AM

hubiestubert: I think that the worst thing possible for Newt is if he GOT the nomination. Let alone the office. It would really cut into his book signings and speaking tours. Let along what it would do as an "analyst" for various groups. This is a nice way to tank himself without making too obvious.


From Thursday's Wall Street Journal (online):
"...a pro-Israel position does not appeal only to Jews. Just as [liberals] have a disaffection for Israel, most ordinary Americans have an affection for it. Israel is a country very much like America--a free nation with a sometimes messy democracy, a land of immigrants that conceives of itself as an exceptional country. There's also a great deal of overlap between Israel's enemies and America's--and between the two countries' internal critics."
source:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020341330457708660088468 7 254.html
 
2011-12-10 12:01:02 PM

Amos Quito: Debunked? If you keep saying that often enough, maybe it will magically become true? And isn't that the thread where you claimed that the famous Jewish historian Sir Martin John Gilbert was a "British playwright"? LOL!


If you keep ignoring the fact that you used an out-of-context quote to present your brilliant theory that the Holocaust is a jewish conspiracy, it won't make it disappear. Yes, debunked, as 'proven you used an out-of-context quote' debunked. Very clearly so.

I was referring to Jim Allen as the playwright in question, which is very clearly posted in that thread but i guess you ignored that part as well.

Amos Quito: On the contrary, the "old material" sheds important light on the pernicious mindset of the murderous band of bastards known as "Zionists" that worked so hard and sacrificed the lives of so many for the sake of placing as many Jews as possible in a perpetual state of war in the hellhole we now call "Israel".


I see, so the Holocaust was a jewish conspiracy orchestrated by the jews for the creation of Israel.
this is some new level of crazy right there. i think it's unprecedented even for anti-semite turds like you and I've been here a while.
 
2011-12-10 12:05:00 PM

starsrift: How do you explain the Balfour Declaration that Amos Quintos pasted in full, wherein it clearly refers to Palestine as a place, and furthermore, a place with a significant amount of people living there who aren't Jews?


'Palestine' was indeed a place, where jews lived as well. There was never a palestinian nationality and like i said, the word 'palestinians' at that time meant the jewish inhabitants. The palestinian nationality as we know it today was invented in 1967. I also suggest you read about the partition Plan since it's very relevant to the 'significant amount of people living there who aren't Jews'.

The British mandate of Palestine actually extended beyond what is now Israel and included all the area of Jordan as well.
 
2011-12-10 12:09:46 PM

WorldCitizen: I like how the Republicans, generally such nationalists at heart, have basically handed American sovereignty in foreign policy over to the Israeli government. Whatever Israel wants, we will stand behind them. Whatever they determine to be in their national interests, we candidates pledge, as president, we will blindly follow regardless without consideration of broader, independent American national interests. And all because they believe that Israel needs to exist otherwise an omnipotent deity won't get around to bringing on an apocalypse upon humanity to which they eagerly look forward. Yay!


Ron Paul? Is that you?
 
2011-12-10 12:10:48 PM
the romans named the area after the enemy of the jews, as an insult to the jews.

if we conquer some island and name it dickhead, it doesn't then become the official and historical homeland for dickheads.
 
2011-12-10 12:14:15 PM

TappingTheVein: starsrift: How do you explain the Balfour Declaration that Amos Quintos pasted in full, wherein it clearly refers to Palestine as a place, and furthermore, a place with a significant amount of people living there who aren't Jews?

'Palestine' was indeed a place, where jews lived as well. There was never a palestinian nationality...


Oh, okies, fair enough.

and like i said, the word 'palestinians' at that time meant the jewish inhabitants...

Oh, but Balfour's Declaration disagrees there. Hmmm, well plenty of possible reasons for that. Okay, thanks though.
 
2011-12-10 12:18:16 PM

starsrift: Oh, but Balfour's Declaration disagrees there.


I meant that when people were talking about 'palestinians' they meant the jewish residents at that time. The palestinian nationality as we know it today came about much later. Balfour's Declaration never explicitly mentions the palestinian people, he mentions the place.
 
2011-12-10 12:41:42 PM

Amos Quito: expressions of vile racism, hatred

Your posts are full of hatred and racism.

See, you're full of antisemitic propaganda.
No one condoned what Baruch Goldstein did, yet you try to make it out as if he was supported by other Jews.

And speaking of vileness, your country has way more bloodshed on its hands. Or is what went on in Central and South America also the fault of the Jews?

/Have a nice day
I will, being a Jew and all.

You go on being a whatever it is you are, and keep spitting vile racisms on the Internet in your paroxysms of powerlessness.
 
2011-12-10 12:45:01 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Debunked? If you keep saying that often enough, maybe it will magically become true? And isn't that the thread where you claimed that the famous Jewish historian Sir Martin John Gilbert was a "British playwright"? LOL!

If you keep ignoring the fact that you used an out-of-context quote to present your brilliant theory that the Holocaust is a jewish conspiracy, it won't make it disappear. Yes, debunked, as 'proven you used an out-of-context quote' debunked. Very clearly so.

I was referring to Jim Allen as the playwright in question, which is very clearly posted in that thread but i guess you ignored that part as well.



At this point I'm having a bit of difficulty discerning whether you are truly delusional, or simply lying as usual, TappingTheVein.


TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: On the contrary, the "old material" sheds important light on the pernicious mindset of the murderous band of bastards known as "Zionists" that worked so hard and sacrificed the lives of so many for the sake of placing as many Jews as possible in a perpetual state of war in the hellhole we now call "Israel".

I see, so the Holocaust was a jewish conspiracy orchestrated by the jews for the creation of Israel.
this is some new level of crazy right there. i think it's unprecedented even for anti-semite turds like you and I've been here a while
.



Of course these are your words. I never said anything of the sort. You must be quite desperate to resort to such writhing, twisting and squirming in the hopes of discrediting the quotes and facts I've brought to light here.

If you are that ashamed of the dastardly deeds of the Zionists - past and present - maybe you should reconsider your position of unconditionally supporting them?

/Just a suggestion
 
2011-12-10 01:00:34 PM

Amos Quito: At this point I'm having a bit of difficulty discerning whether you are truly delusional, or simply lying as usual, TappingTheVein.


You're right. This thread where i debunked your bullshiat and out-of-context quote (search for "out-of-context quote") doesn't exist.

Amos Quito: Of course these are your words. I never said anything of the sort.


No, you never said so explicitly, only provided the theory in your *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* method, for example:

"Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?

Frankly, I don't see how.
"

And of course right here you don't deny the idea of the Holocaust being a jewish conspiracy orchestrated by the jews for the creation of Israel. You could have done so in a single sentence.


Amos Quito: If you are that ashamed of the dastardly deeds of the Zionists


Are you referring to the lies you wrote here ? like for example claiming that Begin murdering 91 people (your own words), never mind it was an organization (irgun) against a military target (Headquarters of the British Forces) and as Prime Minister he brogutht he first peace treaty with an arab country ? or your anti-semitic drivel and conspiracy theories ?

Amos Quito: maybe you should reconsider your position of unconditionally supporting them?


You mean like how the majority of israelis, like myself, consider Baruch Goldstein to be a murderous lunatic ?
 
2011-12-10 01:22:40 PM
Amos Quito:

thank you for speaking the truth.
 
2011-12-10 01:26:45 PM

TappingTheVein: starsrift: Oh, but Balfour's Declaration disagrees there.

I meant that when people were talking about 'palestinians' they meant the jewish residents at that time. The palestinian nationality as we know it today came about much later. Balfour's Declaration never explicitly mentions the palestinian people, he mentions the place.


Wikipedia has a number of articles upon the name of "Palestine" and "Palestinian", and they all disagree with you. Notably, Assaf Likhovski, a professor of law and legal history at Tel Aviv university, specifically disagrees with you, and someone who's field is legal history, I think he's an authority on the subject in question.

Given "random Israeli on the internet" and "Israeli scholar who publishes papers and is endorsed by Israeli university (and therefore state)", I'm gonna go with the scholar. No offense intended.
 
2011-12-10 01:33:42 PM

starsrift: Wikipedia has a number of articles upon the name of "Palestine" and "Palestinian", and they all disagree with you. Notably, Assaf Likhovski, a professor of law and legal history at Tel Aviv university, specifically disagrees with you, and someone who's field is legal history, I think he's an authority on the subject in question.


Did he travel back in time and invented the modern palestinian nationality ? what exactly is he saying ?
 
2011-12-10 01:36:43 PM
Um...well, wasn't Israel invented back in the '40s? One might claim it was invented earlier, but really, the Israelis are also an invented people.
 
2011-12-10 01:44:04 PM

starsrift: Wikipedia has a number of articles upon the name of "Palestine" and "Palestinian", and they all disagree with you


The also seem to disagree with themselves ("The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement").

Care to discuss anything specific ?
 
2011-12-10 01:46:30 PM

TappingTheVein: starsrift: Wikipedia has a number of articles upon the name of "Palestine" and "Palestinian", and they all disagree with you. Notably, Assaf Likhovski, a professor of law and legal history at Tel Aviv university, specifically disagrees with you, and someone who's field is legal history, I think he's an authority on the subject in question.

Did he travel back in time and invented the modern palestinian nationality ? what exactly is he saying ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians
Last paragraph before the contents listing. According to legal historian Assaf Likhovski, the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century. (Likhovski, Assaf (2006). Law and identity in mandate Palestine. The University of North Carolina Press. p. 174. ISBN 978-0807830178.) -- probably can get the same work from a more local publisher in Hebrew, for yourself, or at a library.
 
2011-12-10 01:56:33 PM

Amos Quito:
who whine incessantly about how they have been persecuted and oppressed throughout history, and slaughtered in the Holocaust "just for being who they are", even as they persecute, oppress and slaughter those whose presence they find irritating in the here and now - just because of who they are.


Jews haven't been persecuted throughout history?
Your statement about "whining" is false. Often, anti-Jews and stormfronters make that claim. Show me the whining.
Also, what you say about "whose presence they find irritating in the here and now" is false and disingenuous. You're twisting things in order to support your narrative of hatred.

In fact, Jews and their Gentile neighbors got along quite well
How do you know how well they got along and that there were no confilicts? What about the Arabs who were aligned with Hitler?

Had the Muslim population of Palestine the single minded goal of "killing all Jews" as you claim, they could easily have done so.
How could they have easily done so? They couldn't when they tried several times after 1948.

The tensions in Palestine are not and have never been caused by Arab "intolerance"
Yeah, Arab intolerance doesn't exist. Just try being a Christian in, oh, let's say, Egypt. Then there are the countries that expelled all their Jews and are happy to be ""Judenrein".

The funniest thing, though is your cry of "Oh Mommy, I was 'threatened' by a Jew! It's like Der Giftpilz all over again!"
 
2011-12-10 02:36:36 PM

Bauer: Amos Quito:

thank you for speaking the truth.



And thanks to you.

This is a very complex issue that is loaded with prejudice and misconceptions, and thanks to generations of being inculcated one-sided propaganda, few people grasp the intrigue, manipulation and murderous skulduggery that the Zionists have undertaken to birth and maintain the Zionists State.

"Normative history" glosses over or buries many of the details that might help to clarify the methods and motives of all parties involved, and only after years of study have I begun to see a clearer picture of the events that have brought us to where we are today.

Unfortunately, theses days most people get their "education" in the form of sound bites and slogans, and distilling a century of the clandestine activities of the Zionists and their supporters into a one or two paragraph article suited to the attention span of the typical Farker is no easy task.

Then of course there are always the troops of howler monkeys that crawl up from the cracks with their standard tactics of squirm, squeal, dodge, and subterfuge - hurling epithets and false accusations in the hopes of directing the conversation away from the topics that they find "uncomfortable".

Why bother with this subject at all? Because the Middle East is a festering boil at the center of world conflict, and the Zionists State is the poisonous thorn that is THE source of that infection. Left alone, it would would be of little relevance to humanity as a whole, but unfortunately the US and much of the West has taken to supporting the Zionists in their self-destructive insanity - and if it continues, the possibility of their machinations sparking a worldwide conflagration are all too real.

Apparently the Zionists and their supporters have no problem with the possibility of yet another World War - IF it will suit their narcissistic interests.

Sorry, but I disagree, and will continue to do my best to broaden the perspectives of others.
 
2011-12-10 02:42:21 PM

starsrift: According to legal historian Assaf Likhovski, the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century


The prevailing view by whom ? the palestinians themselves ? why didn't they call for the creation of a palestinian state ? why did the PLO themselves claim that the palestinian nationality is an artificial construct with a specific goal ?
 
2011-12-10 03:20:02 PM
So much ignorance and bigotry here: the folks calling themselves "Palestinians" are actually Arabs, which was Gingrich's point. As for choosing "Palestinian" of all names to apply to oneself to make some claim to an area, the word means "Immigrant." The Philistines were pirates from Cyprus raiding the east coast of the Mediterranean and decided to stay (like pirates sometimes do--see Vikings in england c.900).
So according to their own words, THE PALESTINIANS are the ones who should go back to Europe for their own homeland. Heh, just taking them at their word.
 
2011-12-10 03:47:51 PM

danielpauldavis: So much ignorance and bigotry here: the folks calling themselves "Palestinians" are actually Arabs, which was Gingrich's point. As for choosing "Palestinian" of all names to apply to oneself to make some claim to an area, the word means "Immigrant." The Philistines were pirates from Cyprus raiding the east coast of the Mediterranean and decided to stay (like pirates sometimes do--see Vikings in england c.900).
So according to their own words, THE PALESTINIANS are the ones who should go back to Europe for their own homeland. Heh, just taking them at their word.



Where do you get this crap?

Palestinian - Etymology (new window)

QUOTE

The Greek toponym Palestini (Παλαιστίνη), with which the Arabic Filastin (فلسطين) is cognate, first occurs in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, active in the middle of the 5th century BCE, where it denotes generally[28] the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt.[29][30] Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the 'Syrians of Palestine' or 'Palestinian-Syrians',[31] an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians referring to the Aramaeic Samaritans led by Sanbalat and appointed by the Persian kings and the Arabs in Jerusalem referred to also by Ezra (the Bible).[32] The word bears comparison to a congeries of ethnonyms in Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian Plst or flst, Assyrian as Palastu, and the Old Hebrew as Plishtim, the latter term used in the Bible to signify the Philistines.[33]

Syria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[34] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE.[35]

During the British Mandate of Palestine, the term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship".[36] Other examples include the use of the term Palestine Regiment to refer to the Jewish Infantry Brigade Group of the British Army during World War II, and the term "Palestinian Talmud", which is an alternative name of the Jerusalem Talmud, used mainly in academic sources.


people.uwec.edu

Congratulations, danielpauldavis, you're as smart as a Newt.
 
2011-12-10 04:56:56 PM
Palestinians may not have called it 'Palestine' for very long, but they and their families did call some part of the land of modern Israel or the occupied territories 'home'.

These semantics are about pulling up the roots of families and destroying their rights to the land that fed their families for generations. Whatever imperial regime was in control at the time, the common law rights remain. These and related arguments are about disowning a people from their rightful claims. Calling them Jordanians is a sophistic or legalistic trick.
 
2011-12-10 06:33:14 PM
I wonder if Amos Quito could write a single sentence with out using the word "zionist"?

I'm sure he has a rational reason for his hatred. Maybe teh joos are hiding under his bed?
 
2011-12-10 06:50:54 PM
I don't know why we continually stick our nose in a conflict that has been around for as long as recorded history in the first place. But, to denounce a group of people as "invented" is just farking stupid. THIS is the prime example of our politicians being out of touch and worthless.
 
2011-12-10 06:59:01 PM
Newt in this case is absolutely correct.
 
2011-12-10 07:44:34 PM
"Palestinians" are ALL farking terrorists. I mean who the hell carries a slingshot around while masked (^)? Of course they deserve to be shot in the face with a tear gas canister by armed-to-the-hilt people in camo behind tanks!

And ALL "Palestinians" are Muslims AND extremists(^). There is NO voice of reason among "Palestinians".

And even Albert Einstein (^) wanted all the farking Palestinians kicked out of the land of Israel.

And Mahatma Gandhi completely supported the Zionist quest (^) for a Jewish homeland carved out of a disputed area.

ALL Israelis were born in Israel: Golda Meir (^), Menachem Begin (^), etc...

In fact, anytime a Jewish person was born in lands with Arab and Muslim majorities (^), they would strangle the infants at birth or drive them out to the sea (^) so they would have to sing about the hardships encountered in said lands. I shed a tear for Enrico Macias every time I hear his song, "I left my country (^)".

But what would I know? I'm simply a peace-loving French and Arabic speaking drinking Muslim of North African origin who lived in Saudi Arabia, whose grandfather's life was saved by his Jewish friend and whose family in turn protected a lot of Algerian Jews.

All of you in flyover land who elect people like Gingrich and Perry know A LOT more about the Middle East, Europe and North Africa than I ever will.
 
2011-12-10 08:28:03 PM

The Saint of Killers: I wonder if Amos Quito could write a single sentence with out using the word "zionist"?

I'm sure he has a rational reason for his hatred. Maybe teh joos are hiding under his bed?



I wonder why Xionist apologists always insist on pretending that "Zionist" and "Jew" are synonyms?

Actually, I don't wonder at all - Zionist apologist try to conflate the two in the hopes of silencing critics via name-calling, character assassination and and hominem attacks. The know that dirty history of Zionism is indefensible, so why try to defend when you can obfuscate?

Anyway, here is an answer to your Jews = Zionism allegation:

First, historic views held by Jews WRT Zionism: (new window)

QUOTE:

In the 19th century, a current in Judaism supporting a return to Zion grew in popularity,[29] particularly in Europe, where antisemitism and hostility towards Jews were also growing, although this idea was rejected by the conferences of rabbis held in that epoch. Nonetheless, individual efforts supported the emigration of groups of Jews to Palestine, pre-Zionist Aliyah, even before 1897, the year considered as the start of practical Zionism.[30]

The Reformed Jews rejected this idea of a return to Zion. The conference of rabbis, at Frankfurt am Main, 15-28 July 1845, deleted from the ritual all prayers for a return to Zion and a restoration of a Jewish state. The Philadelphia conference, 1869, followed the lead of the German rabbis and decreed that the Messianic hope of Israel is "the union of all the children of God in the confession of the unity of God". The Pittsburg conference, 1885, reiterated this Messianic idea of reformed Judaism, expressing in a resolution that "we consider ourselves no longer a nation, but a religious community; and we therefore expect neither a return to Palestine, nor a sacrificial worship under the sons of Aaron, nor the restoration of any of the laws concerning a Jewish state".[31]

END QUOTE


As you can see, the yearning for a return to the "homeland" under a Zionist banner was far from universal among Jews.

But what about Jews today? Aren't they all Zionists?

Zionism and Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Judaism (new window)

QUOTE

Most Haredi Orthodox organizations do not belong to the Zionist movement; they view Zionism as secular, reject nationalism as a doctrine and consider Judaism to be first and foremost a religion. However, some Haredi movements such as Shas do openly affiliate with the Zionist movement.

Some Haredi rabbis do not consider Israel to be a halachic Jewish state because it is secular. However, they generally consider themselves responsible for ensuring that Jews maintain religious ideals and since most Israeli citizens are Jews they pursue this agenda within Israel. Others reject any possibility of a Jewish state, since according to them a Jewish state is completely forbidden by Jewish law, and a Jewish state is considered an oxymoron.

Two Haredi parties run in Israeli elections. They are sometimes associated with views that could be regarded as nationalist or Zionist, and have shown a preference for coalitions with more nationalist Zionist parties, probably because these are more interested in enhancing the Jewish nature of the Israeli state.

The Sephardi-Orthodox party Shas rejected association with the Zionist movement, however in 2010 it joined the World Zionist Organization, its voters also generally regard themselves as Zionist and Knesset members frequently pursue what others might consider a Zionist agenda. Shas has supported territorial compromise with the Arabs and Palestinians but generally opposes compromise over Jewish holy sites.

The Ashkenazi Agudat Israel/UTJ party has always avoided association with the Zionist movement and usually avoids voting on or discussing issues related to peace because its members do not serve in the army. The party does work towards ensuring that Israel and Israeli law are in tune with the halacha, on issues such as Shabbat rest.

Many other Hasidic groups, most famously the Satmar Hasidim as well as the larger movement they are part of in Jerusalem, the Edah HaChareidis, are strongly anti-Zionist. One of the best known Hasidic opponent of all forms of modern political Zionism was Hungarian rebbe and Talmudic scholar Joel Teitelbaum. In his view, the current State of Israel, which was founded by people that included some anti-religious personalities in seeming violation of the traditional notion that Jews should wait for the Jewish Messiah, is seen as contrary to Judaism. The core citations from classical Judaic sources cited by Teitelbaum in his arguments against modern Zionism are based on a passage in the Talmud, Rabbi Yosi b'Rebbi Hanina explains (Kesubos 111a) that the Lord imposed "Three Oaths" on the nation of Israel: a) Israel should not return to the Land together, by force; b) Israel should not rebel against the other nations; and c) The nations should not subjugate Israel too harshly. According to Teitelbaum, the second oath is relevant concerning the subsequent wars fought between Israel and Arab nations.

Other opponent groups included in the Edah HaChareidis include Dushinsky, Toldos Aharon, Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok, Spinka, and others, numbering tens of thousands in Jerusalem, and hundreds of thousands worldwide.

The Neturei Karta, an orthodox Haredi religious movement, strongly oppose Zionism and Israel; it considers the latter a racist regime.[16] The movement equates Zionism to Nazism, stating "Apart from the Zionists, the only ones who consistently considered the Jews a race were the Nazis."[17] Naturei Carta believes that Zionist ideology is totally contrary to traditional Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah[18] and that Zionism promotes antisemitism.[19]

The Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic movement has traditionally not identified itself as Zionist, although in recent years it has adopted a nationalist agenda and opposed any territorial compromise.

END QUOTE

Sorry about the wall of text, and about destroying your argument that criticism of / opposition to Zionism = anti-Semitism.

Personally I agree that Political Zionism has done irreparable harm to Judaism and Jews - unless of course your goal was to increase hatred and disdain for your people, and to provoke wars, suffering and bloodshed among Jews and Gentiles alike - because if that be the case, Zionism has been a smashing success.

Shalom
 
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