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2011-12-09 03:04:42 PM

Tyee: Jackson Herring: fark you, tyee, you thumb-dicked ballgargling shill. Seriously, fark you.

This is how I know I am making sense.


Those of us who live near the Ogallala Aquifer would beg to differ.
 
2011-12-09 03:05:55 PM

watson.t.hamster: Another is that so far the things Obama has liked have been horrible


Indeed. Those poor Al Qaeda should have been left to their own devices.

The idea of improving the economy and children being able to have access to more medical care outside of an emergency? Horrendous ideas!
 
2011-12-09 03:06:04 PM
Everyone is freaking out about the Ogallala Acquifer, which is a joke, really.

Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 km3 (21,000,000 acre·ft) in 2000. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253,000,000 acre feet (312 km3).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6] (new window)

It'll be empty soon enough, and won't be fully recharged for another 2.5 million years or so. Besides, it's just been raided in the interest of making money by using up the similarly non-renewable topsoil which overlays it in order to force-feed an unsustainable human population bubble. It's kind of silly to be worried about the acquifer at this point, isn't it?
 
2011-12-09 03:06:15 PM

HeadLever: Wendy's Chili: That's just the past two years. And it's an incomplete list. But yeah, I'm sure nothing will happen will happen with the pipeline being constructed over the nation's largest underground aquifer, that happens to provide water for millions of people and a third of our nation's crops. I don't know what these hippies are so worried about.

Most of these in your examples are natural gas, which are used in distribution networks for heating in nearly every community in the US (think hundreds of thousands of miles of these pipelines). Trying to compare these pipes to a crude pipeline (which is a transmission line and not a distribution network) is not really the same.

Yes, things can happen.


There are plenty of crude accidents in there too.
 
2011-12-09 03:06:34 PM

The Why Not Guy: GAT_00: At the moment, it appears to be not at all.

If it hasn't started by now that means we'll only get a third stringer anyway. If a thread is important, the spin starts right in within the first five posts.


No, any derpublican worth his salt would be able to defend anything they do, I'm sure a real heavy hitter will be alo...

Tyee: The pipeline will keep energy cost down, create lots of jobs and the "citing environmental and safety concerns" is bullshiat. Pipelines are a very well known entity Mr Obama. Obama is the one playing politics here. He's afraid he'll lose an environmental base for his election if he helps to keep energy costs down for the masses. Pipelines are the safest way to transport massive amounts of cheap energy and create a huge amount of jobs.
He is so disingenuous. Somehow congress could cram a gigantic, extremely complicated, with many unknown details Obamacare bill through congress before Christmas, but a simple, safe pipeline requires lots of time and study? Please, we have built many of pipelines before. I see your bullshiat Obama! So do the unemployed looking for work.



Nevermind. They sent Ponch. Well played.
 
2011-12-09 03:07:11 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Tyee: blackminded: It goes across a major aquifier, and a spill would basically contaminate the water supply for all of the Western United States.

Make believe problem. We have hundreds of pipelines over tha aquifer right now!


No. No we don't. We very specifically don't because it would basically destroy agriculture in the United States. See the big white area in Western Nebraska ..... that's the heart of Ogallala.


Ogallala:
[i234.photobucket.com image 410x600]

Pipelines in the U.S.:
[i234.photobucket.com image 640x428]


Thank you.

All of you people who think water magically appears at your faucets should bow down to those who worked so hard to give us this amazing and powerful thing: clean running water. And anyone who wants to disturb that only cares about their own wallet. Without clean water, we are India. We are China. We are less than 3rd world. We NEED clean water to be a better country. Those of us in the West should understand this. We get, on average, less rain in a year than most east coasters get in a month.
 
2011-12-09 03:08:01 PM

canyoneer: Everyone is freaking out about the Ogallala Acquifer, which is a joke, really.

Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 km3 (21,000,000 acre·ft) in 2000. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253,000,000 acre feet (312 km3).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6] (new window)

It'll be empty soon enough, and won't be fully recharged for another 2.5 million years or so. Besides, it's just been raided in the interest of making money by using up the similarly non-renewable topsoil which overlays it in order to force-feed an unsustainable human population bubble. It's kind of silly to be worried about the acquifer at this point, isn't it?


touche'
 
2011-12-09 03:08:57 PM

whidbey: If you're even supporting continuing the use of fossil fuels at this point, knowing how finite a resource it is and how there are far better opportunities than just putting belch into our environment, you're doing it wrong.


So much irony considering all the fossil fuels used to make this opinion known to others.
 
2011-12-09 03:11:05 PM

watson.t.hamster: Serious Black: SphericalTime: FTA: "Frankly, the fact that the president doesn't like it makes me like it even more," said Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, a leader of House conservatives, who added he had supported an earlier version, as well.

Classy. Very classy. Can't you tell how serious he takes his job to work toward the benefit of all Americans?

He might as well just come out and say that he doesn't like the fact that we have a ni-BONG in the White House at this point.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is that so far the things Obama has liked have been horrible for this country so he makes a pretty good gauge one whether a policy has merit or not. Going by his trackrecord if Obama is for it chances are it's wise to be against it.

/accusations of racism kinda lose meaning when you use them constantly in every scenario. Here's a little story that explains this concept.



You think so? Maybe you're a glass half-empty sort of person.

Because when I see the President of the United States, I see:

The first black man to hold the Office of the President, in the middle of the worst recession of the technological age. I see a man who has extended services and pay for the poor and unemployed. I see a man who is helping fix America's image to the rest of the world. I see a man who has helped hunt down Osama bin Laden, who has helped the America people through natural disasters, who has extended healthcare for hundreds of thousands, who has help reform finance laws and even increased 2nd Amendment rights on federal lands. And that man did all that, and more, in front of the most obstructing Congress the United States has had in its entire history.

So yea, this Republican is again voting for the ni-*BONG*.
 
2011-12-09 03:12:35 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: whidbey: If you're even supporting continuing the use of fossil fuels at this point, knowing how finite a resource it is and how there are far better opportunities than just putting belch into our environment, you're doing it wrong.

So much irony considering all the fossil fuels used to make this opinion known to others.


whid toes the party line without fail.
 
2011-12-09 03:13:28 PM

The Why Not Guy: Cat Food Sandwiches: The unions support the pipeline because it creates thousands of jobs. So Obama will have to choose between two lovers, the environmental whack-jobs, or the thugs.

Told you we'd get the third string.


Yeah well smarty pants, you didn't tell us it would be the third string of the WWF.
 
2011-12-09 03:14:04 PM
I love it when trolls find that other trolls are the only ones who agree with them.
 
2011-12-09 03:14:20 PM

nevirus: I hope the Dems stay strong. The Republicans will suffer if they fail to extend this payroll tax cut. Even the teabaggiest of the teabaggers would hate to see their taxes go up just because the Republicans didn't get an unrelated oil pipeline. Even Norquist would roast Republicans for that.


Not everyone in America is retarded enough to ignore that removing funds from ss hurts its solvency on the long run. Not all of us are children who want short term gratification at the expense of long term stability. Bit you go ahead and be one of those people.
 
2011-12-09 03:14:25 PM

hinten: Look at all these jobs. Look at all the hustling, trading, buying and selling going on. And do you know how many workers it takes to put up a couple of tubes? Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.

[www.phongpo.com image 448x284]

[canadiancriminallaw.net image 612x340]


So, let me get this straight-- in your logic, the fact that there's no one along a given 100-m stretch of barbed wire in a given day means that there's no such thing as a cowboy and there's no one in the US that trades in beef?

Because that may be the new topper on the mental file of stupid assertions I've seen on the internet if you're really going to stick with that.

//Sister's dating a guy who sells pipeline equipment, just got out of undergrad. The industry actually is kind of chronically short on manpower and almost always hiring.
 
2011-12-09 03:14:28 PM
When are the GOP going to get around to changing their mascot to something more in line with their policies and general attitudes towards their fellow Americans?

fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net
 
2011-12-09 03:14:49 PM

watson.t.hamster: Another is that so far the things Obama has liked have been horrible for this country so he makes a pretty good gauge one whether a policy has merit or not. Going by his trackrecord if Obama is for it chances are it's wise to be against it.


Yeah.

Killing bin Laden... totally bad for the country.

Withdrawling from Iraq... yeah, they started invading us already.

Stimulus... the private sector has totally not grown for the last 2 years.

Repeal DADT... everyone is gay now. Everyone.

Intervention in Libya... biggest boondoggle since Vietnam.

Auto bailout... total waste of money. Just look how shiatty they're doing.

Health care bill... oh, sorry gotta go. It's my turn before the death panel.
 
2011-12-09 03:16:02 PM

nevirus:
Like I said... if the Republicans do not vote to extend this payroll tax cut, they will suffer, and I think they know that. They're just trying to attach Republican pet projects to see what else they can get. I hope the Dems don't give them shiat.


I agree there are a ton of moderates out there (myself being one) that love the fiscal conservativeness of the Republican party but had just enough of their idiocy and really the "fiscal conservativeness of the Republican party" part just isn't there anymore. Well maybe some Tea Party people may truly be fiscal conservative but that pendulum swings way WAY too right for me because that baggage is weighted down with a bunch of pro-life, anti gay, in your fave religious crap.

Anyways I think you're right and also I think Obama will eventually do the pipeline on his own terms and get credit for the jobs created.
 
2011-12-09 03:16:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Those of us in the West should understand this. We get, on average, less rain in a year than most east coasters get in a month.


How about we get the pipeline if we send you Uhauls so you can move to where the water is?
 
2011-12-09 03:17:03 PM

hinten: Look at all these jobs. Look at all the hustling, trading, buying and selling going on. And do you know how many workers it takes to put up a couple of tubes? Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.


You really don't know what you're talking about. This is what's going on INSIDE of the pipeline...

www.stepneyct.org

Thousands upon thousands of jobs.
 
2011-12-09 03:18:04 PM

whidbey: I love it when trolls find that other trolls are the only ones who agree with them.


Still killing the planet with your fossil fueled posts? Why do hate the Earth?
 
2011-12-09 03:18:20 PM

canyoneer: Everyone is freaking out about the Ogallala Acquifer, which is a joke, really.

Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 km3 (21,000,000 acre·ft) in 2000. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253,000,000 acre feet (312 km3).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6] (new window)

It'll be empty soon enough, and won't be fully recharged for another 2.5 million years or so. Besides, it's just been raided in the interest of making money by using up the similarly non-renewable topsoil which overlays it in order to force-feed an unsustainable human population bubble. It's kind of silly to be worried about the acquifer at this point, isn't it?


Euthanasia is the only solution. Richtig, Herr Schluchteer?
 
2011-12-09 03:19:13 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: whidbey: I love it when trolls find that other trolls are the only ones who agree with them.

Still killing the planet with your fossil fueled posts? Why do hate the Earth?


Honestly, dude. You didn't have to respond. Now we all know I was talking about you two. :)
 
2011-12-09 03:19:23 PM

Saiga410: Nadie_AZ: Those of us in the West should understand this. We get, on average, less rain in a year than most east coasters get in a month.

How about we get the pipeline if we send you Uhauls so you can move to where the water is?


No, we are good. We just have to continue to share. Oh ... right ... that's against the ethos of 1 political party.
 
2011-12-09 03:19:59 PM

nevirus: if the Republicans do not vote to extend this payroll tax cut, they will suffer


They did. It is the democrats that are voting against the extension of the payroll tax.
 
2011-12-09 03:20:49 PM

colon_pow: Snowflake Tubbybottom: whidbey: If you're even supporting continuing the use of fossil fuels at this point, knowing how finite a resource it is and how there are far better opportunities than just putting belch into our environment, you're doing it wrong.

So much irony considering all the fossil fuels used to make this opinion known to others.

whid toes the party line without fail.


Yep, he's like a super-unpleasant Keith Olbermann with extra flatulence.
 
2011-12-09 03:20:59 PM
Honestly I'm on board with building this pipeline.

I'm not on board with them holding up other unrelated legislation because of it.
 
2011-12-09 03:21:08 PM

Wendy's Chili: canyoneer: Everyone is freaking out about the Ogallala Acquifer, which is a joke, really.

Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 km3 (21,000,000 acre·ft) in 2000. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253,000,000 acre feet (312 km3).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6] (new window)

It'll be empty soon enough, and won't be fully recharged for another 2.5 million years or so. Besides, it's just been raided in the interest of making money by using up the similarly non-renewable topsoil which overlays it in order to force-feed an unsustainable human population bubble. It's kind of silly to be worried about the acquifer at this point, isn't it?

Euthanasia is the only solution. Richtig, Herr Schluchteer?


I'm honestly surprised he isn't complaining about how the Mexicans are going to ruin the SW by using up all the water supply. Maybe that proved to be a bit too controversial, even for Fark...
 
2011-12-09 03:21:23 PM

hinten: Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.


hmmmm.... tubey or not tubey?
 
2011-12-09 03:21:48 PM

HeadLever: Wicked Chinchilla: The route passes over the largest aquifer in the midwest is the primary issue, IIRC.

So does a multitude of other oil pipelines. Yes, it is a concern but that can be mitigated.

Overall, I like the fact that this pipeline will allow us to get oil from a good neighbor and may just cut down a little on our dependence on OPEC. If we have to spend money for imports, why not send it up to America's Hat?


"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The United States is awash in gasoline. So much so, in fact, that the country is exporting a record amount of it.
The country exported 430,000 more barrels of gasoline a day than it imported in September, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. That is about twice the amount at the start of the year, and experts and industry insiders say the trend is here to stay."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/05/news/economy/gasoline_export/index.ht m l

Yes we desperately need more. We are producing so much gas we are exporting it at record levels. This pipeline is not an urgent issue, it won't bring down gas prices. We have time to explore alternative routes.
 
2011-12-09 03:22:10 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: This just in: if you think that your political opponent really wants something you've shown to go along with in the past you can ask for something you would like too, especially when it does create jobs.

Compromise and debate... how does it work.


What, you think that the GOP is just going to do the right thing without getting paid to do it? Their votes are GOLD and they're not going to give them away for nothing.

Some people go to jail for that kind of wheeling and dealing. Other people do not.
 
2011-12-09 03:23:04 PM

Saiga410: It is the democrats that are voting against the extension of the payroll tax.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-09 03:24:04 PM

Headso: hinten: Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.

hmmmm.... tubey or not tubey?


That is not the question! ;)

It's about jobs but to Obama jobs means raising taxes on small businesses or as he calls them "rich people".
 
2011-12-09 03:24:12 PM

Jim_Callahan: hinten: Look at all these jobs. Look at all the hustling, trading, buying and selling going on. And do you know how many workers it takes to put up a couple of tubes? Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.

[www.phongpo.com image 448x284]

[canadiancriminallaw.net image 612x340]

So, let me get this straight-- in your logic, the fact that there's no one along a given 100-m stretch of barbed wire in a given day means that there's no such thing as a cowboy and there's no one in the US that trades in beef?

Because that may be the new topper on the mental file of stupid assertions I've seen on the internet if you're really going to stick with that.

//Sister's dating a guy who sells pipeline equipment, just got out of undergrad. The industry actually is kind of chronically short on manpower and almost always hiring.


So what you're saying is that the industry DOESN'T need jobs.
 
2011-12-09 03:25:05 PM
Just give them the pipeline, if not they are just going to screw over the middle class until they get it. The Republicans will win on this one, if they don't they will make sure most Americans lose.
 
2011-12-09 03:26:05 PM

YELLOL: Headso: hinten: Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.

hmmmm.... tubey or not tubey?

That is not the question! ;)

It's about jobs but to Obama jobs means raising taxes on small businesses or as he calls them "rich people".


Did I stumble into a wormhole to Fox News Disqus?
 
2011-12-09 03:26:12 PM

whidbey: Snowflake Tubbybottom: whidbey: I love it when trolls find that other trolls are the only ones who agree with them.

Still killing the planet with your fossil fueled posts? Why do hate the Earth?

Honestly, dude. You didn't have to respond. Now we all know I was talking about you two. :)


Yeah, sorry about that. It's just when possibly the dumbest thing ever posted on Fark, nay the internet, I do sometimes feel compelled to comment.

But please continue to express your views that merely supporting the use of fossil fuels while electronically sharing said view on what is almost entirely powered by fossil fuels and viewed on machines which contain large amounts of fossil fuel byproducts. So please carry on, it's really amusing.
 
2011-12-09 03:26:28 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Tyee: blackminded: It goes across a major aquifier, and a spill would basically contaminate the water supply for all of the Western United States.

Make believe problem. We have hundreds of pipelines over tha aquifer right now!


No. No we don't. We very specifically don't because it would basically destroy agriculture in the United States. See the big white area in Western Nebraska ..... that's the heart of Ogallala.


Ogallala:
[i234.photobucket.com image 410x600]

Pipelines in the U.S.:
[i234.photobucket.com image 640x428]


Did you even look at the two images? The pipe line map contradicts your claim directly.
 
2011-12-09 03:27:18 PM

kapaso: Just give them the pipeline, if not they are just going to screw over the middle class until they get it. The Republicans will win on this one, if they don't they will make sure most Americans lose.


Or, wait til Jan 2013 and the Bush tax cuts expire and we get more money returning to the coffers to help with the debt and economy.
 
2011-12-09 03:27:43 PM
hinten

From those pics, it looks like they want to install an internet.
 
2011-12-09 03:28:20 PM

CPennypacker: Did I stumble into a wormhole to Fox News Disqus?


not enough racism for it to be a fox news thread.
 
2011-12-09 03:28:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: No, we are good. We just have to continue to share. Oh ... right ... that's against the ethos of 1 political party


You know the base joke that I always think of when people are complaining about a scarity of a basic necessity resouce where they live really is not that obscure.
 
2011-12-09 03:31:18 PM
Bad pipeline. Bad.

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-09 03:31:47 PM

Nadie_AZ: All of you people who think water magically appears at your faucets should bow down to those who worked so hard to give us this amazing and powerful thing: clean running water. And anyone who wants to disturb that only cares about their own wallet.


You realize that there are tens of thousands of septic system sitting on top of that aquifer right now dumping nitrates and phosphorus and all sorts of pharmaceuticals into this aquifer as we speak? Do you want to inventory the number of abandoned and existing gas stations that are leaking and have dumped thousands of gallons of hydrocarbons into the aquifer? Do you want to know more about the railroads that did not worry about collecting used oil and other chemicals and instead just dumped them on the ground for the first 100 years of their existence?

If you want to ever get rid of anything that can possibly pollute the aquifer, there are much bigger fish to fry than this little pipeline.
 
2011-12-09 03:32:03 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: whidbey: If you're even supporting continuing the use of fossil fuels at this point, knowing how finite a resource it is and how there are far better opportunities than just putting belch into our environment, you're doing it wrong.

So much irony considering all the fossil fuels used to make this opinion known to others.


I love this argument.

www.arlingtoncemetery.net

"How ludicrous to propose the use of steam ships?! A sailboat brought you to this very conference!"
 
2011-12-09 03:34:03 PM

Saiga410: Nadie_AZ: No, we are good. We just have to continue to share. Oh ... right ... that's against the ethos of 1 political party

You know the base joke that I always think of when people are complaining about a scarity of a basic necessity resouce where they live really is not that obscure.


I do. And I loved his stand up routines.
 
2011-12-09 03:34:30 PM

Meanniss: The United States is awash in gasoline. So much so, in fact, that the country is exporting a record amount of it.


Crude is not gasoline.

We are NOT awash in crude. In fact we spend about $420 billion each year on imported oil and about $170 Billion of that goes to OPEC.
 
2011-12-09 03:34:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: kapaso: Just give them the pipeline, if not they are just going to screw over the middle class until they get it. The Republicans will win on this one, if they don't they will make sure most Americans lose.

Or, wait til Jan 2013 and the Bush tax cuts expire and we get more money returning to the coffers to help with the debt and economy.


The same tax cuts that were renewed when Democrats had majorities in both the House and the Senate?

Their is no real opposition to the Republican agenda, I doubt those tax cuts are going anywhere.
 
2011-12-09 03:35:23 PM
I don't see what the big deal about this pipeline is. Isn't the ultimate goal of this pipeline to send it to Houston so they can ship it overseas to places like China.

I thought I heard up to 25% of the oil that travels through that pipeline through the US won't even be used in the US.

Maybe someone else knows more about that than I do but that's what I heard.
 
2011-12-09 03:35:37 PM

dahmers love zombie: Jim_Callahan: hinten: Look at all these jobs. Look at all the hustling, trading, buying and selling going on. And do you know how many workers it takes to put up a couple of tubes? Thousands and thousands, especially if you want them to put up all the tubes all at the same time.

[www.phongpo.com image 448x284]

[canadiancriminallaw.net image 612x340]

So, let me get this straight-- in your logic, the fact that there's no one along a given 100-m stretch of barbed wire in a given day means that there's no such thing as a cowboy and there's no one in the US that trades in beef?

Because that may be the new topper on the mental file of stupid assertions I've seen on the internet if you're really going to stick with that.

//Sister's dating a guy who sells pipeline equipment, just got out of undergrad. The industry actually is kind of chronically short on manpower and almost always hiring.

So what you're saying is that the industry DOESN'T need jobs.


What I mean is that the funding could go to building highways. It is well know that highways are the epidome of job creation projects, especially if every mile of new highway gets build all at the same time.And think about how many streetsweepers it takes to keep them clean? I mean, just look at the hustle and bustle going on:

www.ridelust.com

us.123rf.com
 
2011-12-09 03:35:50 PM

kapaso: Nadie_AZ: kapaso: Just give them the pipeline, if not they are just going to screw over the middle class until they get it. The Republicans will win on this one, if they don't they will make sure most Americans lose.

Or, wait til Jan 2013 and the Bush tax cuts expire and we get more money returning to the coffers to help with the debt and economy.

The same tax cuts that were renewed when Democrats had majorities in both the House and the Senate?


YES. THOSE.

Their is no real opposition to the Republican agenda, I doubt those tax cuts are going anywhere.

And I'll raise you one- I think both sides wouldn't care much about making them permanent.
 
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