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2011-12-09 02:47:47 PM  

Michael10101: My original post was merely to poke at how easily women can claim rape, when really regret is the reality.

This ad, as previously stated numerous times, has a very valid point. The person most responsible for your actions is you. Take steps to avoid putting yourself into situations where you can become a victim. A girl drunk in a bar wearing a shirt that says "sperm receptacle," and a mini skirt w/o underwear flashing everybody while screaming, "I want something in here," whilst pointer to her crotch doesn't deserve to be raped. But if she is, I'm going to feel a little less bad about her versus the girl who was walking home from the library. If I go out of town and leave a solid gold bar on my drive way with a sign saying "Do not touch." Are you gonna feel bad for me when I come home and it's gone?



Ah. I see. I actually feel equally as bad for the skeezy flooze as I do for the cautious, reserved girl. The point that rape is or is not more or less acceptable depending on the actions of the woman. The point is that it happens, it's disgusting, it's horrific but there are ways to lessen the risk. Getting drunk and rowdy with friends you know and trust in a safe environment like someones home or a non sh*thole bar with concerned staff and security is the way to go. Going on a pub crawl by yourself or with people you don't know and getting pants sh*ttingly drunk is just irresponsible and stupid. Hell, it's even stupid for a GUY to do that. Many a dude has woken up in a bathtub missing a kidney that way.
 
2011-12-09 02:49:02 PM  
I've always wondered... if one of Jabba's thugs completes a contract while Jabba has Leia enslaved and the thug decides to take a night with Leia in lieu of his payment, is it considered rape? I mean, I'm no expert on Huttese law but I'm fairly certain that slavery is an accepted practice in their culture and that Leia technically was his property at the time. Would that night retroactively become a rape after Leia won her freedom? Could she ever tell Han what she had to endure? Is she really sure that the twins are really his?
 
2011-12-09 02:49:23 PM  

This text is now purple: Forensic evidence.

You do see the occasional situation where both parties get charged with rape. That's something of a Solomonic argument, though.


Forensic evidence is only really useful if the victim is passed-out drunk and some degree force was used (that is, the victim was not interacting).

We're talking about a situation where by all external appearances (that is, if an outside observer came into the situation fresh) the sex was consensual, but legally it was not.
 
2011-12-09 02:49:54 PM  

here to help: The point isn't that rape is or is not more or less acceptable depending on the actions of the woman.


oops
 
2011-12-09 02:50:10 PM  
So the logic of this is?????

Case 1: Girl gets drunk and maybe has sex with some dude she normally wouldn't have.. It's then rape.... because there is no way she could consent due to her being drunk.

Cast 2. Girl gets drunk and then drives and gets caught.... she is charged with a the crime of DUI or DWI or some such... and she it totally responsible for her actions?

Right?
 
2011-12-09 02:51:07 PM  

evilsearat: I've always wondered... if one of Jabba's thugs completes a contract while Jabba has Leia enslaved and the thug decides to take a night with Leia in lieu of his payment, is it considered rape? I mean, I'm no expert on Huttese law but I'm fairly certain that slavery is an accepted practice in their culture and that Leia technically was his property at the time. Would that night retroactively become a rape after Leia won her freedom? Could she ever tell Han what she had to endure? Is she really sure that the twins are really his?


What's more interesting is that every one of the women who cosplay Slave Leia must give Internet SJ activists aneurisms by the bucket-load every time there's a gallery of them, given what the costuming/character implies.
 
2011-12-09 02:51:26 PM  

FrylockMastershake: seriously this argument is full retard, NEVER GO FULL RETARD
again, if drunks cannot give consent then why are you prosecuting people that drink and drive when they cannot consent to driving.


According to Com vs Childs, 2 Pittsb 365: If a man, by giving a woman drugs or liquors, renders her insensible, and then has a connection with her in that state, it is then rape."
 
G2V
2011-12-09 02:54:22 PM  
If I go for a ride with my drunk friend and he rolls the car, killing me, I'm not at fault for his drunkenly rolling the car. But I was still a dumbass putting myself in the situation.

Getting drunk is not responsible drinking, and it facilitates bad thingstm. It's not blaming the victim to suggest a reasonable safety precaution, i.e. don't get wasted.
 
2011-12-09 02:56:10 PM  

Michael10101: According to Com vs Childs, 2 Pittsb 365: If a man, by giving a woman drugs or liquors, renders her insensible, and then has a connection with her in that state, it is then rape."


I wonder what the legal definition of "insensible" is.

Doesn't sound like walkin-around drunk to me.
 
2011-12-09 02:56:39 PM  

Knara: evilsearat: I've always wondered... if one of Jabba's thugs completes a contract while Jabba has Leia enslaved and the thug decides to take a night with Leia in lieu of his payment, is it considered rape? I mean, I'm no expert on Huttese law but I'm fairly certain that slavery is an accepted practice in their culture and that Leia technically was his property at the time. Would that night retroactively become a rape after Leia won her freedom? Could she ever tell Han what she had to endure? Is she really sure that the twins are really his?

What's more interesting is that every one of the women who cosplay Slave Leia must give Internet SJ activists aneurisms by the bucket-load every time there's a gallery of them, given what the costuming/character implies.


Forgive me but google has failed me... what's an SJ activist?
 
2011-12-09 03:00:28 PM  
Here's another tip:

EVERYONE, DON'T HAVE SEX WHILE DRUNK:
1. Most importantly, you lose sensation.
2. You're less likely to have safe sex.
3. Your judgement is impaired= you're less likely to have sex with someone you want to have sex with.
4. Due to judgement impairment while drunk, how can you be sure they didn't say no! Stop! You're not my boy(girl)friend?!
5. Babies made from drunk conception have a higher chance of being born from fetal alcohol syndrome.
This is an all around bad idea.
 
2011-12-09 03:04:16 PM  

G2V: Getting drunk is not responsible drinking


Getting wet isn't responsible swimming?
 
2011-12-09 03:05:55 PM  
Has Whoopi made a statement yet? The world awaits breathlessly...

/Is there "drunk" and "drunk drunk"?
 
2011-12-09 03:07:21 PM  

raggtopp: G2V: Getting drunk is not responsible drinking

Getting wet isn't responsible swimming?


You imply consuming 1 drink => falling down drunken behavior.

There is such a thing as tipsy on the scale of drunkenness...
 
2011-12-09 03:08:11 PM  

evilsearat: Knara: evilsearat: I've always wondered... if one of Jabba's thugs completes a contract while Jabba has Leia enslaved and the thug decides to take a night with Leia in lieu of his payment, is it considered rape? I mean, I'm no expert on Huttese law but I'm fairly certain that slavery is an accepted practice in their culture and that Leia technically was his property at the time. Would that night retroactively become a rape after Leia won her freedom? Could she ever tell Han what she had to endure? Is she really sure that the twins are really his?

What's more interesting is that every one of the women who cosplay Slave Leia must give Internet SJ activists aneurisms by the bucket-load every time there's a gallery of them, given what the costuming/character implies.

Forgive me but google has failed me... what's an SJ activist?


Well, on it's face, social justice (new window) is a pretty laudable idea.

But, on the Internet it turns (new window) into (new window) this (new window):
 
2011-12-09 03:09:15 PM  

tlars699: There is such a thing as tipsy on the scale of drunkenness...


I've been informed many times by the nice man on the TV PSAs that drunk and buzzed are the same thing.
 
2011-12-09 03:10:42 PM  

Knara: GhettoWinter: I'm not saying it's right or that I agree. But, the way i interpret it, its just like a 14 y/o girl legally can not give consent. Without consent it's rape, be it statutory, date, or otherwise.

The driving comments and men comments are invalid.

Nah, they're not invalid.

First off, the "men comments" are obviously valid since what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Logically, if both parties are drunk, then the two participants did indeed rape each other, as, legally, neither was able to give consent due to their drunkenness which resulted in their (legal) inability to make rational, well-reasoned decisions about their actions.

This is different than age of consent, since the (modern) rationale is that those under the age of consent don't have the experience to make good decisions about having sex (nevermind the modifications where people under the age can have sex with others under the age in some jurisdictions).

So logically, if I am drunk and choose to drive, that cannot be an action that I am responsible for, because I was clearly not in a state of mind to make rational, well-reasoned decisions about my actions.

Of course, the legal code is not required to be consistent with itself. But we should aspire for it to be, nonetheless.


The choosing to drive = choosing to give consent analogy doesn't work.
I'm not saying that being drunk absolves you of decision making or consequences. I'm saying specifically for women, consent cannot be given to have sex in an intoxicated state.
 
2011-12-09 03:12:40 PM  

GhettoWinter: The choosing to drive = choosing to give consent analogy doesn't work.
I'm not saying that being drunk absolves you of decision making or consequences. I'm saying specifically for women, consent cannot be given to have sex in an intoxicated state.


And the reason why?

It's because their intoxication makes them incapable of making well-reasoned decisions.

Or so the legal theory goes.

/that's why it contradicts DUI theory
 
2011-12-09 03:15:40 PM  
Which is why I said that they are two different things, and handled differently. Don't have time to do proper research, but here's a wikipedia quote.

Consent is also considered invalid if obtained under duress, or from a person who does not have the ability to understand the nature of the act, due to factors such as young age, mental disability, or substance intoxication.[4]
 
2011-12-09 03:16:38 PM  

tlars699: raggtopp: G2V: Getting drunk is not responsible drinking

Getting wet isn't responsible swimming?

You imply consuming 1 drink => falling down drunken behavior.

There is such a thing as tipsy on the scale of drunkenness...


And using that term...drunkenness....means that tipsy still = drunk because tipsy is "part of drunkenness."

I know, we're mincing words and such....but that why I made my comment.
 
2011-12-09 03:20:53 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Drunk man wakes up naked next to 300 pound woman: "Yikes, that was a mistake. I should drink less."

Drunk woman wakes up naked next to 300 pound man: "Yikes, that was a mistake. If I say I was raped and ruin this guy's life I won't feel like such an idiot."


This.

Also amusingly:

Girl gets drunk, bangs guy = rape, guy's fault.
Girl gets drunk, crashes car into guy = girl's fault.

Can't have it both ways.
 
2011-12-09 03:21:21 PM  

Knara: It's because their intoxication makes them incapable of making well-reasoned decisions.


If you can only give consent when capable of making well-reasoned decisions, when are women ever able to give consent?
 
2011-12-09 03:21:53 PM  

chaositect


If you do not want to be crushed by a girder, do not hang out on a construction site. If you have to because you work there, then wear a goddamned hard hat. I do not understand why this is so hard for people to understand.


Gotta love that 21st-century hard hat technology! Girders just bounce right off and totally won't crush the person wearing the hat!

:-|
 
2011-12-09 03:22:53 PM  

raggtopp: And using that term...drunkenness....means that tipsy still = drunk because tipsy is "part of drunkenness."

I know, we're mincing words and such....but that why I made my comment.


I suspect that in this particular sort of conversation, there's a significant number of people who are considering "drunk girl" to be in a state that is more properly termed "passed-out drunk girl" or "pukey-drunk girl".

The difference between walk-in around tipsy and walk-in around drunk is pretty subjective at best, and impossible to tell at worst.
 
2011-12-09 03:23:58 PM  

Honest Bender: If you can only give consent when capable of making well-reasoned decisions, when are women ever able to give consent?


While I know you're being flippant, there's actually some bit of discussion to be had there, but it's for a different thread. :D
 
2011-12-09 03:27:22 PM  
Driving is not an act that requires consent.

Consent - Permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.
 
2011-12-09 03:36:49 PM  
+1 to Thaeteus for dropping his troll and disappearing in the first few posts.
 
2011-12-09 03:40:56 PM  

mooseyfate: This. And I'm not talking about alleged rape where the victim and her rapist were last seen making out in a dark room. I'm talking about rape-rape, where the victim was threatened, beaten, or held at knife point by the rapist. There is absolutely no part of that scenario where the victim is at fault. Bad neighborhood or not, intoxicated or not, there's no way any human being can sit there with a straight face and say it was the victims fault. If you can, I demand that you go to a rape victim counseling group and tell all those women it was their fault that someone decided to fark them against their will. Please bring someone with you to record video of you very deservedly getting your teeth kicked in by a group of angry women.

/people that try to blame the victim are just as bad as the rapists, IMHO
//you can't blame the victim, even a little, without condoning, even a little, the actions of the rapist


Normally I'd give you, maybe 2/10 for that, but I sense that this was not really a troll attempt.

So... Tipsy McDrinksalot gets totally wasted, to the point that she's yelling "Take me drunk! I'm home!" and grabbing Ivor Biggun's thinking machine for balance and support, and she has absolutely no responsibility for what happens next. But Loudmouth bin D-Bagg goes to a rape victim counseling center and suggests that there are certain simple strategies that women can implement to minimize their risk of being raped, and he deserves (your word) the physical violence that rains down upon him? Is that your position? Doesn't seem quite consistent to me.
 
2011-12-09 03:42:34 PM  

TheSneakerWhore: Harry Zach OBalls: "She didn't want to do it, but she couldn't say no"...Because she was drunk???

I've been all kinds of F'ed up and and never had a problem telling some one to fark off.

/I am a dude, but I don't think that matters

I've sadly seen friends black-out drunk do stupid shiat...next day they had no idea they fought a cactus/farked a fatty/broke their hand. It can happen, especially if you mix pharmaceuticals in there.


So now people that are intentionally trying to break their ability to deal with the real world are called victims?

I don't farking think so. You do something stupid (like drinking too much and mixing in other drugs), and there may very well be consequences.

Maybe, take a little responsibility for yourself. Just a thought.
 
2011-12-09 03:57:24 PM  

WindBreaker: mooseyfate: This. And I'm not talking about alleged rape where the victim and her rapist were last seen making out in a dark room. I'm talking about rape-rape, where the victim was threatened, beaten, or held at knife point by the rapist. There is absolutely no part of that scenario where the victim is at fault. Bad neighborhood or not, intoxicated or not, there's no way any human being can sit there with a straight face and say it was the victims fault. If you can, I demand that you go to a rape victim counseling group and tell all those women it was their fault that someone decided to fark them against their will. Please bring someone with you to record video of you very deservedly getting your teeth kicked in by a group of angry women.

/people that try to blame the victim are just as bad as the rapists, IMHO
//you can't blame the victim, even a little, without condoning, even a little, the actions of the rapist

Normally I'd give you, maybe 2/10 for that, but I sense that this was not really a troll attempt.

So... Tipsy McDrinksalot gets totally wasted, to the point that she's yelling "Take me drunk! I'm home!" and grabbing Ivor Biggun's thinking machine for balance and support, and she has absolutely no responsibility for what happens next. But Loudmouth bin D-Bagg goes to a rape victim counseling center and suggests that there are certain simple strategies that women can implement to minimize their risk of being raped, and he deserves (your word) the physical violence that rains down upon him? Is that your position? Doesn't seem quite consistent to me.


A) You're trying WAY too hard to be funny.

B) You're not.

C) Yes, I believe that if you try to tell a RAPE VICTIM that their rape was their own damn fault, you deserve every bit of hell that rains down on your head.

I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting. Keep your "helpful suggestions" shoved up your ass, because no amount of precaution would have kept those sick farks from raping. They just would have raped someone else.
 
2011-12-09 03:58:00 PM  
Honestly... i read the title and expected pics of girls pulling their panties down. None in the thread. Sad.
 
2011-12-09 04:14:47 PM  

mooseyfate: WindBreaker: mooseyfate: This. And I'm not talking about alleged rape where the victim and her rapist were last seen making out in a dark room. I'm talking about rape-rape, where the victim was threatened, beaten, or held at knife point by the rapist. There is absolutely no part of that scenario where the victim is at fault. Bad neighborhood or not, intoxicated or not, there's no way any human being can sit there with a straight face and say it was the victims fault. If you can, I demand that you go to a rape victim counseling group and tell all those women it was their fault that someone decided to fark them against their will. Please bring someone with you to record video of you very deservedly getting your teeth kicked in by a group of angry women.

/people that try to blame the victim are just as bad as the rapists, IMHO
//you can't blame the victim, even a little, without condoning, even a little, the actions of the rapist

Normally I'd give you, maybe 2/10 for that, but I sense that this was not really a troll attempt.

So... Tipsy McDrinksalot gets totally wasted, to the point that she's yelling "Take me drunk! I'm home!" and grabbing Ivor Biggun's thinking machine for balance and support, and she has absolutely no responsibility for what happens next. But Loudmouth bin D-Bagg goes to a rape victim counseling center and suggests that there are certain simple strategies that women can implement to minimize their risk of being raped, and he deserves (your word) the physical violence that rains down upon him? Is that your position? Doesn't seem quite consistent to me.

A) You're trying WAY too hard to be funny.

B) You're not.

C) Yes, I believe that if you try to tell a RAPE VICTIM that their rape was their own damn fault, you deserve every bit of hell that rains down on your head.

I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting. Keep your "helpful suggestions" shoved up your ass, because no amount of precaution would have kept those sick farks from raping. They just would have raped someone else.


I think that's his point. They themselves would have avoided being raped. Right?
 
2011-12-09 04:16:51 PM  
Too bad they pulled the ad. This is exactly what happens on college campuses every week.

After working for eight years at a small, midwestern college as a campus safety officer, I can say with absolutely certainty that all of the sexual assaults I dealt with involved alcohol. Either one or both parties were intoxicated. I worked the weekends third shift. In every incident where the female was drunk, her capacity to say no to the male was diminished and this was a major factor in the assault.

Alcohol is the ultimate date rape drug. Young men for centuries have been using alcohol to get a girl drunk and get a little "sumthin sumthin". If people, like that stupid coont blogger, want to bury their heads in the sand, so be it. It is still the truth.
 
2011-12-09 04:20:08 PM  

GhettoWinter: mooseyfate: WindBreaker: mooseyfate: This. And I'm not talking about alleged rape where the victim and her rapist were last seen making out in a dark room. I'm talking about rape-rape, where the victim was threatened, beaten, or held at knife point by the rapist. There is absolutely no part of that scenario where the victim is at fault. Bad neighborhood or not, intoxicated or not, there's no way any human being can sit there with a straight face and say it was the victims fault. If you can, I demand that you go to a rape victim counseling group and tell all those women it was their fault that someone decided to fark them against their will. Please bring someone with you to record video of you very deservedly getting your teeth kicked in by a group of angry women.

/people that try to blame the victim are just as bad as the rapists, IMHO
//you can't blame the victim, even a little, without condoning, even a little, the actions of the rapist

Normally I'd give you, maybe 2/10 for that, but I sense that this was not really a troll attempt.

So... Tipsy McDrinksalot gets totally wasted, to the point that she's yelling "Take me drunk! I'm home!" and grabbing Ivor Biggun's thinking machine for balance and support, and she has absolutely no responsibility for what happens next. But Loudmouth bin D-Bagg goes to a rape victim counseling center and suggests that there are certain simple strategies that women can implement to minimize their risk of being raped, and he deserves (your word) the physical violence that rains down upon him? Is that your position? Doesn't seem quite consistent to me.

A) You're trying WAY too hard to be funny.

B) You're not.

C) Yes, I believe that if you try to tell a RAPE VICTIM that their rape was their own damn fault, you deserve every bit of hell that rains down on your head.

I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting. Keep your "helpful suggestions" shoved up your ass, because no amount of precaution would have kept those sick farks from raping. They just would have raped someone else.

I think that's his point. They themselves would have avoided being raped. Right?


I think his point was more along the lines of, "I'm so clever mcfunny because I joke about rape like it's not a problem for the victims and those dummy women should listen to me because then no one would get raped". When the sad fact is that when a rapist wants to force himself on someone, no amount of precaution on the woman's part short of an electrified vagina will stop them from being raped. That's why it's called rape.
 
2011-12-09 04:21:44 PM  
Kay... just cracked a beer. Ya'll try not to rape me.
 
2011-12-09 04:25:34 PM  
I don't see the joke anywhere. I don't see stopping everyone from getting raped in there. I see presented a logical option to help you avoid possibly being raped. Why is that such a bad thing?
 
2011-12-09 04:26:42 PM  

GhettoWinter: Why is that such a bad thing?


Because, penis are bad.
 
2011-12-09 04:33:43 PM  

here to help: Kay... just cracked a beer. Ya'll try not to rape me.


if someone a man gave that to you then they are trying to rape you
 
2011-12-09 04:37:31 PM  

FrylockMastershake: here to help: Kay... just cracked a beer. Ya'll try not to rape me.

if someone a man gave that to you then they are trying to rape you


I KNEW that liquor store guy was up to something!

*calls police*
 
2011-12-09 04:38:50 PM  
This is a thing because it was not very long ago at all that a woman who had ever had sex with anyone outside of marriage or who dressed in anything but the most conservative clothing or who made eye contact with her attacker COULD NOT REPORT THE RAPE because she would be blamed. Many of you farkers are young - you might never have heard of such cases. But trust me. The victim was the one on trial, and was absolutely TRASHED in court. Anything and everything was fair game to discredit her. It was awful, and understandably very few women wanted to put themselves through it.

Read Lucky by Alice Sebold. (new window) She was walking home one night and was grabbed and violently raped by a total stranger. The guy was a known criminal and a skuzbucket. And not-white which I only mention because the criminal justice system was more racist then than it is today, which is saying something. She was a white college student.

Even so, white girl raped by a known not-white nasty criminal type, she went through hell to get the case to court, and even more hell to get a conviction. (He had a really good, scuzzy lawyer)

THIS is why so many are so insistant on not blaming the victim. Because in the past, victims were blamed. And it was awful.
 
2011-12-09 04:40:56 PM  

mooseyfate: I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting.


I agree with you, and so does everyone else in the thread, but that's not what we're talking about. Duh.
 
2011-12-09 04:58:12 PM  
I feel like we're in some weird Poe's Law zone with mooseyfate.
 
2011-12-09 05:05:13 PM  

namegoeshere: THIS is why so many are so insistant on not blaming the victim. Because in the past, victims were blamed. And it was awful.


Those are great points and I completely agree with you but that ad was not blaming victims. In fact it's helping women be informed of one of the ways to STAY in control of their bodies. The feminists should be applauding it, not trying to ban it.
 
2011-12-09 05:07:00 PM  

oh_please: mooseyfate: I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting.

I agree with you, and so does everyone else in the thread, but that's not what we're talking about. Duh.


Then what are we talking about? 'cause I totally thought we were talking about how shiatty it is to blame rape victims for being raped.
 
2011-12-09 05:11:18 PM  

mooseyfate: oh_please: mooseyfate: I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting.

I agree with you, and so does everyone else in the thread, but that's not what we're talking about. Duh.

Then what are we talking about? 'cause I totally thought we were talking about how shiatty it is to blame rape victims for being raped.


No, neither the thread nor the ad was blaming the victims.

It was just the hyper overreactionaries that were asserting that, and people responding (perhaps foolishly) to their aggressively offered misconceptions.
 
2011-12-09 05:18:46 PM  
So we all agree that bleary drunk guy + bleary drunk girl, with regrets next morning= not rape.

B.) Guy* + passed out chick=rape. We want to avoid that type of rape. (Buffy made a good episode with this, PSA attempted this)

*Obviously Sober guy leads to rapey-rape in this situation, and we all agree.
Drunk guy leads to irresponsible douche-baggery sure, but in this specific situation, would it be rape?

Personally, I would think if lady is incapable of saying yes or moving, yes, this would be rape.

C. What about the girls who drank soda at the party, hosted by nameless sports famous people, and ended up drugged and not so happy on a bathroom floor?
Personally, that the ad specifically targets situation B and completely avoids C is wreckless.
If you want a good target:

You don't have to drink at a drinking party to get hurt.
When people are drinking to excess, they're not going to help keep you from harm.

When you drink your judgement is clouded. Can you be sure she really said "yes"?
 
2011-12-09 05:19:15 PM  

mooseyfate: oh_please: mooseyfate: I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting.

I agree with you, and so does everyone else in the thread, but that's not what we're talking about. Duh.

Then what are we talking about? 'cause I totally thought we were talking about how shiatty it is to blame rape victims for being raped.


I think you've missed all the posts people said about preventive actions do not reduce the culpability of the attacker, but preventative actions do reduce the incidence of the attack.

There is absolutely zero reason to reduce or ignore education to increase the prevention of the attack, unless of course you like there to be as many victims as possible.

The attacker bears the blame, the victim however should be given as many tools and as much knowledge as possible to reduce the number of possible attacks to occur.

Basically what many and you seem to be saying is that to provide tools and knowledge is to blame and insult the victim and assuming that all who do so want to restrict and bring down said victims. While there are likely those who DO such things to a negative impact, there are many who would rather see victims empowered to take control of a poor situation and cease being victims and instead be one who defended themselves or avoided a situation and can not have to endure the problems that come with being 'just another victim' that so many seem to want people to remain.
 
2011-12-09 05:20:26 PM  

Knara: mooseyfate: oh_please: mooseyfate: I'm not talking about chicks that farked a guy while drunk and regretted it. I'm talking about victims that were raped, often brutally and sometimes more than once in one sitting.

I agree with you, and so does everyone else in the thread, but that's not what we're talking about. Duh.

Then what are we talking about? 'cause I totally thought we were talking about how shiatty it is to blame rape victims for being raped.

No, neither the thread nor the ad was blaming the victims.

It was just the hyper overreactionaries that were asserting that, and people responding (perhaps foolishly) to their aggressively offered misconceptions.


We also talked about how liqour store guy is trying to rape Here to Help
 
2011-12-09 05:21:19 PM  
"Never stick your dick in crazy." Everyone understands that rule. Anyone who breaks that rule expects that there will be negative consequences as a result. The rule is generally accepted.

"Never stick your dick in drunk." Some people understand that rule. Many who break that rule are surprised that there may be negative consequences as a result. The rule is debated ad nauseam on fark.

It's basically the same rule for the same reason in both cases. Just follow the rule and the world will be a much better place.
 
2011-12-09 05:23:51 PM  

tlars699: What about the girls who drank soda at the party, hosted by nameless sports famous people, and ended up drugged and not so happy on a bathroom floor?


I dunno about in the US, but a recent study in the UK of 1000+ ER admissions where the presenting suspected they had been drugged at a party via a drink resulted in not a single instance where the bloodwork showed any sort of foreign substance.

Does this mean that it never happens? Surely not. But it certainly seems to be rather uncommon.

That said, why anyone would accept a drink from someone they don't know, man or woman, in a situation where it would be a one-on-one risk, is beyond my ability to comprehend.
 
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