Mugato: pseudowho: Mugato: Sadly? I would love to have a conversation with someone like that!

Google "mark of the beast chip" and I'm sure you can find someone to talk about it with...

Well may have exaggerated a bit. I would like to observe someone like that.

Too late, we signed you up for a lifetime of Chick tracts.

Looks like a gun nut to me

Don't be silly.

The batteries needed to run a GPS device are still way too large to implant in your body.

They attach the GPS devices to your car instead.

The Obama administration is urging the Supreme Court to allow the government, without a court warrant, to affix GPS devices on suspects' vehicles to track their every move.

The Justice Department, saying "a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in his movements (.pdf) from one place to another," is demanding the justices undo a lower court decision that reversed the conviction and life sentence of a cocaine dealer whose vehicle was tracked via GPS for a month without a court warrant.

IIRC, a beard like that on a man in Jesus' time meant he was gay. Not kidding.

What's the frequency, Obama?

Not GPS chips, you morons. Barcodes

6 6 6

It's on every single thing you buy.

Mugato: Why would the government need to install GPS devices into people's bodies? Everyone has a phone. That's pretty much all the government needs.

Pretty sure that the day the cell phone was invented is celebrated as a holiday at the National Security Agency. Imagine a bug that you don't have to plant, gives an involuntary video and audio feed in addition to a gps signal to within a few feet, and the best part? The target pays for the whole thing.

The day Facebook went online is the twin to this day of days, when they pop champagne and toast to everybody writing their own security dossier, AND they even constantly update them!

pseudowho: A sadly large number of people seem to be convinced that an implanted GPS is/will be the Mark of the Beast.

Dunno why some people are so eager to see the end of the world...

Heh this idea was brought to my attention when I was in 6th grade (1997ish). I had a friend that grew up in a VERY religious home and he was home schooled. He didn't know much of anything except religion and evils of the world. Such as this mark of the beast that was supposed to already happen by now.

So are you a conspiracy nut when the Government actually is attaching GPS devices to people's cars without a warrant?



A California student got a visit from the FBI this week after he found a secret GPS tracking device on his car, and a friend posted photos of it online. The post prompted wide speculation about whether the device was real, whether the young Arab-American was being targeted in a terrorism investigation and what the authorities would do.

It took just 48 hours to find out: The device was real, the student was being secretly tracked and the FBI wanted its expensive device back, the student told Wired.com in an interview Wednesday.

The answer came when half-a-dozen FBI agents and police officers appeared at Yasir Afifi's apartment complex in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday demanding he return the device.

Afifi, a 20-year-old U.S.-born citizen, cooperated willingly and said he'd done nothing to merit attention from authorities. Comments the agents made during their visit suggested he'd been under FBI surveillance for three to six months.

An FBI spokesman wouldn't acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi's house.

The only nutty thing here is thinking they have GPS devices small enough to hide on your person

/Yet

mark of the beast or not, there will be the mark of a baseball bat on anybody's forehead who tries to plant a chip on B.Bleep.

...seeking a judicial order that Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez undergo a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation....

Waterboarding?

some.old.lady.: Many years ago, with the introduction of the UPC, the fundies went wild with the idea that the UPC was The Mark Of The Devil.

It was a derpfest of epic proportions.

If my memory serves correctly, even Chick got in on that one (I am too lazy to google tonight).

Who, Chick from Bob and Tom?

Jarhead_h: Mugato: Why would the government need to install GPS devices into people's bodies? Everyone has a phone. That's pretty much all the government needs.

Pretty sure that the day the cell phone was invented is celebrated as a holiday at the National Security Agency. Imagine a bug that you don't have to plant, gives an involuntary video and audio feed in addition to a gps signal to within a few feet, and the best part? The target pays for the whole thing.

The day Facebook went online is the twin to this day of days, when they pop champagne and toast to everybody writing their own security dossier, AND they even constantly update them!

And for some reason they sing "Auld Lang Syne", since it makes no sense and thus goes with anything.

BullBearMS: So are you a conspiracy nut when the Government actually is attaching GPS devices to people's cars without a warrant?

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A California student got a visit from the FBI this week after he found a secret GPS tracking device on his car, and a friend posted photos of it online. The post prompted wide speculation about whether the device was real, whether the young Arab-American was being targeted in a terrorism investigation and what the authorities would do.

It took just 48 hours to find out: The device was real, the student was being secretly tracked and the FBI wanted its expensive device back, the student told Wired.com in an interview Wednesday.

The answer came when half-a-dozen FBI agents and police officers appeared at Yasir Afifi's apartment complex in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday demanding he return the device.

Afifi, a 20-year-old U.S.-born citizen, cooperated willingly and said he'd done nothing to merit attention from authorities. Comments the agents made during their visit suggested he'd been under FBI surveillance for three to six months.

An FBI spokesman wouldn't acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi's house.

The only nutty thing here is thinking they have GPS devices small enough to hide on your person

/Yet

You think after three to six months of watching him going to and from school they would have said, "this guy's not up to anything" and given up on it.

Considering recent political developments in the House and Senate with the NDAA and the attaching of GPS equipment to vehicles I don't think he's that far afield.

5 years ago I would have told you that Alex Jones was absolutely, completely, nuts. Now I'm not so sure.

BTW, the House overwhelming voted to have their version of the NDAA committee debates done in secret. Because transparency in government is bad.

Bucky Katt: Mugato: Why would the government need to install GPS devices into people's bodies? Everyone has a phone. That's pretty much all the government needs.

Religion leads to other forms of mental illness. These people need treatment.

Good to see the Fark Anti-Theists^TM have already shown up.

I remember when I was a kid and would read the weekly world news and they always had stories about this. I'm pretty sure TLC has done some pseudo-history shows with this crap, albeit interesting crap, back in the day. The problem is that guys like alex jones don't understand and/or care that it's sometime a poor idea to make a chemically unbalanced person feel cornered. But hey, maybe you should just put all your savings in gold because there's no way that could end poorly.

Marine1: You think after three to six months of watching him going to and from school they would have said, "this guy's not up to anything" and given up on it.

Hey now. His father was Egyptian.

/Racial profiling
//How does it work?

They'd do it if it wouldn't start an uprising.

BullBearMS: Marine1: You think after three to six months of watching him going to and from school they would have said, "this guy's not up to anything" and given up on it.

Hey now. His father was Egyptian.

/Racial profiling
//How does it work?

Yeah, but that's a long time to get absolutely nothing from a lead. A long-ass time.

Well, the thing about crazy government conspiracy theories is that they're true, they're all true, and you should write the authorities NOW and TELL them that you KNOW about their evil plans and you're not going to stand for it any further.

Marine1: Yeah, but that's a long time to get absolutely nothing from a lead. A long-ass time.

Nobody ever said the FBI was competent/and or actually interested in catching real criminals and not spying on normal citizens for information to abuse.

"let his hair and beard grow long so that he would look like Jesus Christ"





Not a bad effort.

m2313: Marine1: Yeah, but that's a long time to get absolutely nothing from a lead. A long-ass time.

Nobody ever said the FBI was competent/and or actually interested in catching real criminals and not spying on normal citizens for information to abuse.

I probably do give them too much credit.

Marine1: You think after three to six months of watching him going to and from school they would have said, "this guy's not up to anything" and given up on it.

It takes lots of expensive investigation to gather enough evidence to reach a firm conclusion that you have nothing.

/and then that needs double checking

By next July the SCOTUS will rule that the government can track anybody it wants to, without warrant, only limited by what current technology allows. That means coming onto private or public property to implant a GPS device on your vehicle. Or being able to remotely access a phone company's system to find out where a subscriber's phone is currently located either through tower multilateration or remotely turning on the phone's GPS receiver and having the coordinates sent to the phone company's systems. In fact, I'd be shocked if the later isn't already in place and being used. When it comes to the increasing power of government surveillance, history has shown that it's first done in secret then only later codified into law.

Jarhead_h: Mugato: Why would the government need to install GPS devices into people's bodies? Everyone has a phone. That's pretty much all the government needs.

Pretty sure that the day the cell phone was invented is celebrated as a holiday at the National Security Agency. Imagine a bug that you don't have to plant, gives an involuntary video and audio feed in addition to a gps signal to within a few feet, and the best part? The target pays for the whole thing.

The day Facebook went online is the twin to this day of days, when they pop champagne and toast to everybody writing their own security dossier, AND they even constantly update them!

I find it interesting that the government still allows or even allowed pay as you go type phones to begin with. Dirt cheap phones with no real identification of the owner of said phone. $15 and you have a phone, do what you need to do, and then you can toss it (if you want).

When I got my TS/SCI/GAMMA ... clearances, ugh it's a long list, the investigator doing my background check couldn't find a 3 year period to my existence after I graduated high school. There was absolutely NO information on me because I cut myself off from all of my friends and such. I used cash, had no employment, no bills, etc. Mind you, I had a pay as you go cell phone and I was living at home but I could have been anywhere. This was a pain in the ass to the investigator because he tried looking for a connection all over town but my parents were the only ones that knew where I was the whole time. (at their house). The only time my name resurfaced after high school was when I started filling out paperwork for the Air Force.

/Just saying it's still possible to stay off the grid these days ;)

However if ya'll keep pissing your freedoms away it should be soon.

You'll barely notice by that time.

/oblig

BullBearMS: The Justice Department, saying "a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in his movements (.pdf) from one place to another," is demanding the justices undo a lower court decision that reversed the conviction and life sentence of a cocaine dealer whose vehicle was tracked via GPS for a month without a court warrant.

I have no idea why Justice is complaining about this. its not like they don't have a plethora of pushover judges who will sign anything they want at any time.

Tracking devices on everybody would have a lot of positives. The two biggest being no unsolved crimes and no missing persons.

firefly212: I haven't been active in the politics threads of late, are we allowed to call him a christian terrorist, or is that still verboten?

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist. That guy who assassinated an abortion doctor was a Christian terrorist. THIS GUY is just plain nuts.

Ortega-Hernandez fired a volley of shots at the White House with a semiautomatic rifle from about 750 yards away on the night of Nov. 11 because he wanted to kill Obama, according to an FBI criminal complaint. Several of the bullets struck the exterior of the residential floors on the mansion's south side, authorities said.

OK so apparently one can fire an AK 47 or AR-15 into the WH and apparently no one fires back. How is he still alive with no apparent injuries? I thought the agents protecting the WH are hardcore and pretty good shots.

Man On Fire: BullBearMS: The Justice Department, saying "a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in his movements (.pdf) from one place to another," is demanding the justices undo a lower court decision that reversed the conviction and life sentence of a cocaine dealer whose vehicle was tracked via GPS for a month without a court warrant.

I have no idea why Justice is complaining about this. its not like they don't have a plethora of pushover judges who will sign anything they want at any time.

When you want to do these sorts of things on a massive scale, you don't have time to get every single case rubber stamped by your pet court.

Senator Wyden on the Senate intelligence committee has been trying to warn people for some time now that your Government doesn't feel compelled to follow the rule of law when it comes to the Fourth Amendment.

You think you understand how the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on its citizens. Sen. Ron Wyden says it's worse than you know.

Wyden (D-Oregon) says that powers they grant the government on their face, the government applies a far broader legal interpretation - an interpretation that the government has conveniently classified, so it cannot be publicly assessed or challenged.
But one prominent Patriot-watcher asserts that the secret interpretation empowers the government to deploy "dragnets" for massive amounts of information on private citizens; the government portrays its data-collection efforts much differently.

"We're getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says," Wyden told Danger Room in an interview in his Senate office. "When you've got that kind of a gap, you're going to have a problem on your hands."

What exactly does Wyden mean by that? As a member of the intelligence committee, he laments that he can't precisely explain without disclosing classified information. But one component of the Patriot Act in particular gives him immense pause: the so-called "business-records provision," which empowers the FBI to get businesses, medical offices, banks and other organizations to turn over any "tangible things" it deems relevant to a security investigation.

"It is fair to say that the business-records provision is a part of the Patriot Act that I am extremely interested in reforming," Wyden says. "I know a fair amount about how it's interpreted, and I am going to keep pushing, as I have, to get more information about how the Patriot Act is being interpreted declassified. I think the public has a right to public debate about it."

Wyden says he "can't answer" any specific questions about how the government thinks it can use the Patriot Act. That would risk revealing classified information - something Wyden considers an abuse of government secrecy. He believes the techniques themselves should stay secret, but the rationale for using their legal use under Patriot ought to be disclosed.

"The FISA Court is a pretty permissive body, so that suggests something novel or particularly aggressive, not just in volume, but in the nature of the request," says Michelle Richardson, the ACLU's resident Patriot Act lobbyist. "No one has tipped their hand on this in the slightest. But we've come to the conclusion that this is some kind of bulk collection. It wouldn't be surprising to me if it's some kind of internet or communication-records dragnet."

The FBI deferred comment on any secret interpretation of the Patriot Act to the Justice Department. The Justice Department said it wouldn't have any comment beyond a bit of March congressional testimony from its top national security official, Todd Hinnen, who presented the type of material collected as far more individualized and specific: "driver's license records, hotel records, car-rental records, apartment-leasing records, credit card records, and the like."

But that's not what Udall sees. He warned in a Tuesday statement about the government's "unfettered" access to bulk citizen data, like "a cellphone company's phone records." In a Senate floor speech on Tuesday, Udall urged Congress to restrict the Patriot Act's business-records seizures to "terrorism investigations" - something the ostensible counterterrorism measure has never required in its nearly 10-year existence.

Indeed, Hinnen allowed himself an out in his March testimony, saying that the business-record provision "also" enabled "important and highly sensitive intelligence-collection operations" to take place. Wheeler speculates those operations include "using geolocation data from cellphones to collect information on the whereabouts of Americans" - something our sister blog Threat Level has reported on extensively.

It's worth noting that Wyden is pushing a bill providing greater privacy protections for geolocation info.

"I'm talking about instances where the government is relying on secret interpretations of what the law says without telling the public what those interpretations are," Wyden says, "and the reliance on secret interpretations of the law is growing."

The number and scope of our Government's unconstitutional power grabs recently should give any sane person pause.

They want to have access to all your personal business records, banking records, communications records, and location records based on cell phone triangulation or GPS. Our most active defender of Civil Liberties in the Senate since we lost Russ Feingold is warning people as loudly as he can that our Government has a secret interpretation of the law that already lets them do all these things without bothering to get a warrant.

TFA dude sounds schizophrenic, but with the recent actions of our Government, you can't really call him crazy just because he thinks the Government is spying on him.

SuperNinjaToad: OK so apparently one can fire an AK 47 or AR-15 into the WH and apparently no one fires back. How is he still alive with no apparent injuries? I thought the agents protecting the WH are hardcore and pretty good shots.


He was in a car and did a half assed drive by. Even if he had been hiding in a bush, it's not like there are snipers stationed on the roof.