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2011-12-08 04:46:47 PM
God is trying to tell you something, coont.
 
2011-12-08 04:48:43 PM
*snert*

+1
 
2011-12-08 04:50:10 PM
First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.
 
2011-12-08 04:50:31 PM
+1
 
2011-12-08 04:55:50 PM
God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.
 
2011-12-08 04:57:20 PM
Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?
 
2011-12-08 04:58:29 PM
 
2011-12-08 05:04:49 PM
Ok, even I think that's too far.
 
2011-12-08 05:05:49 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?


Well it's clear god hates them as he killed their baby.

Welcome to the message you were waiting for.
 
2011-12-08 05:06:13 PM
These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?
 
2011-12-08 05:06:58 PM
I don't know whether to feel sad.
 
2011-12-08 05:16:34 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


THESE
 
2011-12-08 05:17:02 PM
This is not sad.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:03 PM

inkblot: I don't know whether to feel sad.


Sad is for people unable to have kids, not someone already has 19 and is almost certain to drop a waterhead because she's 45 years old.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:16 PM
Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:41 PM
Nice headline, would LOL again.
 
2011-12-08 05:18:13 PM
No worries, check the oil and gun that engine for another lap.
 
2011-12-08 05:18:36 PM
What the fark is the matter with these people?
 
2011-12-08 05:18:41 PM
At least we don't have to hear about Octo[name redacted to reduce fame chances]
 
2011-12-08 05:18:43 PM
The stars of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting previously weathered a medical ordeal with their youngest daughter, Josie, who was born in December 2009

FTFY TLC
 
2011-12-08 05:18:56 PM
according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?
 
2011-12-08 05:19:27 PM
Murderer.
 
2011-12-08 05:19:35 PM
So technically an abortion occurred
 
2011-12-08 05:19:59 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


....darn you for making me laugh at that...
 
2011-12-08 05:20:25 PM
I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.
 
2011-12-08 05:20:39 PM

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


God's a murderer!
 
2011-12-08 05:20:53 PM
It's all a part of God's plan.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:18 PM

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


An abortion performed by God himself.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:22 PM
I don't take joy in this, But Goddamit, everything wears out if you overuse it.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:27 PM
I have one daughter age 9. I would eat a bullet with any more than that. Best friend has 4 kids and his life is hell. Multiply that times five and you're obviously breeding a cult.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:49 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Jim Bob looks like Dr. Zaius a little? Jim Bob...
 
2011-12-08 05:21:55 PM
maybe now they will finally, finally cease blastin' babies out of that cavernous sin pit as fast as they farkin can. shiats probably starting to look like a sarlacc.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:36 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


Seconded.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:40 PM
If a miscarriage started the crazy, will a miscarriage end the crazy?
 
2011-12-08 05:22:55 PM

Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan.

B
 
2011-12-08 05:22:56 PM

bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids


It's a movement, and we've discussed Quiverfull a number of times before on Fark.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:58 PM
Mercy subby, Mercy! I feel dirty for laughing so hard.
 
2011-12-08 05:23:16 PM
As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.
 
2011-12-08 05:23:38 PM

tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?


Not unless she was doing something suspect with a wire hanger. In this case GOD is the murderer. The great eye in the sky is going all old testament again. About time, I say - let the smiting commence!
 
2011-12-08 05:23:57 PM

tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?


No, it makes God a murderer. Unless it was a Job-deal where Satan was allowed to kill the baby to test their faith, in which Satan's the murderer and God's the accomplice. Jesus was the bag-man and the Holy Spirit drove the getaway car. Alternately it could be a Super-blessing 'cause the kid would have been a non-believer and brought shame upon his mother's hair and his father's head and thus God stopped the baby from poisoning the Duggerwell. Then again it may be the child was SO pure that God called it home pre-birth to sing special Hymns and Praises along with the seraphim and cherabim and Living Creatures and terrifying wheel-in-the-sky beasts from Ezekial.

It's a holy mystery, really.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:03 PM

radarlove: I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.


This.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:08 PM
You know... I just can't gloat about something like this but maybe they'll take this as a sign from "God" that the clown car is ready to be put up on blocks.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:20 PM
Her p*ssy was heard saying "Enough...ough...ough...ough!"
 
2011-12-08 05:24:24 PM
HOTY
 
2011-12-08 05:24:53 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Awesome.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:03 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


I agree on all counts. I have a friend who miscarried in the second trimester. It was devestating for her.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:45 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Third, stop it already.


This.

// I mean really, she's 45 and has 19 of them already.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:47 PM

gilgigamesh: Sad is for people unable to have kids, not someone already has 19 and is almost certain to drop a waterhead because she's 45 years old.


I laughed, and I feel terrible.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:22 PM
While I disagree and generally loathe these people, I feel bad for them here.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:44 PM
I'm not saying it was aliens...
 
2011-12-08 05:26:48 PM

jthan9: Her p*ssy was heard saying "Enough...ough...ough...ough!"


Doubt it could say anything at this point. Most people who've lost muscle control in their mouths merely end up drooling on themselves.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:51 PM
Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.
 
2011-12-08 05:27:03 PM

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


Appropriately, my browser aborted trying to read this article.

/what a mess
 
2011-12-08 05:27:39 PM
The actual event? Tragic.

Some of the comments in this thread? Hilarious. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find my handbasket.
 
2011-12-08 05:27:41 PM
This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.

+1 subs
 
2011-12-08 05:28:14 PM

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


You're glad? You find joy in this? Nice. Real nice.
 
2011-12-08 05:28:21 PM
The giant clam that couldn't
 
2011-12-08 05:28:28 PM
Giver her a few weeks and the car will be gassed up again.
 
2011-12-08 05:28:33 PM

I should be in the kitchen: You know... I just can't gloat about something like this but maybe they'll take this as a sign from "God" that the clown car is ready to be put up on blocks.


Forget the damn blocks, part it out and make into a damn cube already.

//although I wouldn't wish a miscarriage on anyone
/mine was brutal enough
 
2011-12-08 05:28:36 PM
Great headline and some really funny comments. Thanks for the laugh, I've been feeling depressed lately.
 
2011-12-08 05:29:31 PM
I LOL'd way more than I should have at that headline.
+1 subby
images.cheezburger.com


/mother of 2 and former certified auto mechanic
 
2011-12-08 05:29:41 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


Yeah, part of me says they brought this coverage upon themselves but seriously? A People Mag article? This is farking sickening.
 
2011-12-08 05:29:41 PM
Funeral procession in progress:

www.picassodreams.com


/sorry
 
2011-12-08 05:30:01 PM
I had to sit through an episode or two of their Euro trip. The wife strikes me as relatively intelligent (at least level-headed), but dumb enough to fall for her husband's religious brainwashing. Jim Bob, however, seems like he's just above being functionally retarded. Holy crap, it was embarrassing to watch him talk to people.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:10 PM

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


Onward Christian Soldiers?
 
2011-12-08 05:30:12 PM
55 posts and nothing?

I am disappoint.

farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2011-12-08 05:30:25 PM
Subby you magnificent bastard. Top score!
 
2011-12-08 05:30:26 PM

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


She actually really lucky a miscarriage is all that happened. She's lucky she didn't die.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:32 PM
The tranny may be shot, but I'm betting the tailpipe is still working.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:51 PM
That's headline of the damn year right there
 
2011-12-08 05:31:08 PM
Loose curtains in front of an open window can't keep out the wind.
 
2011-12-08 05:31:28 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Oh gawd.... best laugh in a week!
 
2011-12-08 05:31:34 PM
I know what a normal uterus looks like and somehow I imagine hers looks like an old pair of sweatpants by now
 
2011-12-08 05:31:41 PM

TeddyBallGame: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Yeah, part of me says they brought this coverage upon themselves but seriously? A People Mag article? This is farking sickening.


Why? The Duggars chose to be famous. They chose to go to the press about this miscarriage. It's not People's fault.
 
2011-12-08 05:32:32 PM
Around 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. She's had two out of 21 pregnancies. That's 9.5%.

She's batting well above average.
 
2011-12-08 05:32:46 PM
Anybody notice that it's OK when the fetus decides to chuck it, but not when the host does?
 
2011-12-08 05:33:13 PM

SmackLT: I know what a normal uterus looks like


Really? Cuz I find the fact that you know this to be a little farked up.
 
2011-12-08 05:33:36 PM
www.sigcis.org
 
2011-12-08 05:33:43 PM

sgilman: 55 posts and nothing?

I am disappoint.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 400x500]


The headline was the meme. You didn't even have to look in the thread, you could just move along satisfied.
 
2011-12-08 05:33:50 PM
I am most certainly ticketed to Hell in a first class window seat for laughing at that headline. Brilliant work, subby, whoever you are.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:20 PM
The only thing img1.fark.net is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:30 PM
I cannot understand all the hate. Even on Fark. It is depressing. The world is large and loving. If only every couple could have 19 kids. There would be so much happiness and peace in the world. We would have want for nothing. This woman is doing her part - what about you? And she obviously loves being a mother. I'm sure every child gets to have a meaningful interaction with her/his parents. Think of all the attention these children get! I am sure they will all go the best college.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:55 PM

laid back w/bud light: I have one daughter age 9. I would eat a bullet with any more than that. Best friend has 4 kids and his life is hell. Multiply that times five and you're obviously breeding a cult.


That's the beauty of individual choice...some of us like no kids at all, some of us like big families. Don't blame his 4 kids on his life being "hell," blame his parenting or his inability to decide when it was right to stop.

I have no issue with the Duggars. They are obviously good parents, raising their children in a way none of us ourselves have chosen. They feed, clothe, educate (well, that one maybe not as much as I'd like to see, even as a homeschooling mom myself) and are involved in their childrens' lives.

The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....and the minute they let themselves in for so much publicity, they bought into the scrutiny and the condemnation.

Second trimester miscarriages are awful. There's nothing to be vicious about here.
 
2011-12-08 05:35:17 PM
Stop. Having. Kids!
 
2011-12-08 05:35:19 PM
Nice headline. +1
 
2011-12-08 05:35:26 PM
If corporations are people, and People is a corporation.... (head assplode)
 
2011-12-08 05:35:44 PM

Misch: bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids

It's a movement, and we've discussed Quiverfull a number of times before on Fark.


It's a movement and a mental disease!

/New Shimmer!
 
2011-12-08 05:35:49 PM
1) This is sad, it's always sad when this happens, no matter who it is



2) +2 headline subby
3) They told her not to cough


/one please
//I'll get my sunglasses
 
2011-12-08 05:36:00 PM
i wonder what their thoughts on God are now. not what they told People, but what their true thoughts are.
 
2011-12-08 05:37:04 PM
im-ok-with-this.jpeg
 
2011-12-08 05:37:16 PM
Let's get our medical jargon right here. This was not a spontaneous abortion (commonly called a miscarriage). This was a preterm loss. The baby was only 4 weeks away from viability. And at least the family could feed, cloth and educated their children.
 
2011-12-08 05:37:24 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?

No, it makes God a murderer. Unless it was a Job-deal where Satan was allowed to kill the baby to test their faith, in which Satan's the murderer and God's the accomplice. Jesus was the bag-man and the Holy Spirit drove the getaway car. Alternately it could be a Super-blessing 'cause the kid would have been a non-believer and brought shame upon his mother's hair and his father's head and thus God stopped the baby from poisoning the Duggerwell. Then again it may be the child was SO pure that God called it home pre-birth to sing special Hymns and Praises along with the seraphim and cherabim and Living Creatures and terrifying wheel-in-the-sky beasts from Ezekial.

It's a holy mystery, really.


What color would you like on my favorites list?
 
2011-12-08 05:38:16 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Voting enabled, please.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:27 PM
It's amazingly sad to read these peoples media quotes whenever they have conceived in the past. It usually goes something like "We are so surprised and blessed to find out we are pregnant again, God is truly blessing us." Oh really? You are grown adults who still haven't comprehended the fact that if you shoot your loads into your wife her eggs will become fertilized. You are two healthy adults still in child-bearing age and you are surprised that (Jesus imposed) unprotected sex continues to result in pregnancy? I don't know who's sadder, the Duggars, or the millions of middle-aged Christian woman who watch this ridiculous show, desperately wishing they could still have children at home, trying to find some sort of meaning to their pathetic lives.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:35 PM
A late entry for HOTY.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:46 PM
They don't use birth control so maybe its time for daddy to pull out. Or have another miscarriage. But hey, at least they aren't on welfare.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:50 PM
I am sure they will all go the best college.

Brigham Young has a volume discount. What other college is there?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:02 PM
She was taking oral birth control during her second pregnancy and miscarried? Isn't this the exact reason there are warnings against taking birth control while preggers?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:32 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Mrs. Duggar also ignored the UFC mixed martial arts-gloved hand that came out of her birth canal and started to furiously tap out.
 
2011-12-08 05:39:33 PM

StanTheMan: The only thing [img1.fark.net image 54x11] is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.


No way, they are constantly being used.
 
2011-12-08 05:39:39 PM

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


What was he trying to tell her the other 19 times?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:46 PM

lohphat: +1


More like -1 amirite?
 
2011-12-08 05:40:08 PM

lohphat: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

God's a murderer!


that's sort of been known for awhile. there's even this big old book that describes god's love of killin' and abortin'. seriously, god's an abortionist. this i know because the bible tells me so...
 
2011-12-08 05:40:22 PM

Michael10101: Let's get our medical jargon right here. This was not a spontaneous abortion (commonly called a miscarriage). This was a preterm loss. The baby was only 4 weeks away from viability. And at least the family could feed, cloth and educated their children.


THIS.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:22 PM

Freelance alcoholic: They don't use birth control so maybe its time for daddy to pull out. Or have another miscarriage. But hey, at least they aren't on welfare.


Don't they wind up with a lot of freebies from their church, community, and from their TV Deal?
 
2011-12-08 05:40:29 PM

mjoven1975: This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.


December 2011 headlines go into the 2012 contest.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:32 PM
I see a resemblance.

ronniedigital.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-12-08 05:40:39 PM
Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

i.imgur.com

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:47 PM
Subby is a magnificent basterd.

+1
 
2011-12-08 05:40:55 PM

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


+1

Karma Curmudgeon: Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan. B


Nice :)
 
2011-12-08 05:40:59 PM

Rann Xerox: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

Mrs. Duggar also ignored the UFC mixed martial arts-gloved hand that came out of her birth canal and started to furiously tap out.


So... Michelle Duggar is Mae Young?
 
2011-12-08 05:41:53 PM

jiaxiaobo: I cannot understand all the hate. Even on Fark. It is depressing. The world is large and loving. If only every couple could have 19 kids. There would be so much happiness and peace in the world. We would have want for nothing. This woman is doing her part - what about you? And she obviously loves being a mother. I'm sure every child gets to have a meaningful interaction with her/his parents. Think of all the attention these children get! I am sure they will all go the best college.


Yeah, we'd all want for nothing. Except for, you know: food, potable water, various minerals, energy, space...that sort of thing.

This isn't the dark ages. We no longer need to force out a giant brood in the hopes that some of our genetic material survives.

People need to stop thinking about themselves to much.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:28 PM

NightOwl2255: StanTheMan: The only thing [img1.fark.net image 54x11] is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.

No way, they are constantly being used.


Well I don't know about you guys, but after this, I'm praying for ovarian.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:28 PM
Marky, Ricky, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, Tommy, Joey, Robby, Johnny, and Brian.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:45 PM
Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby
 
2011-12-08 05:43:12 PM
Once, it was a clown car. Now, it's a hearse.
 
2011-12-08 05:43:33 PM
That woman is barking mad.
 
2011-12-08 05:43:41 PM

Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife,


I am so sorry.
 
2011-12-08 05:44:17 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

www.kyru.net
 
2011-12-08 05:44:30 PM
"It has been a real sad disappointment."

Because there are so many happy disappointments.

I can't say I'm surprised it happened, but I'm sad for them. Second trimester miscarriages are not nice.
 
2011-12-08 05:45:32 PM

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P
 
2011-12-08 05:46:04 PM

mjoven1975: This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.

+1 subs


THIS!!! I lol'd out loud in my cube and still lol'ing....
 
2011-12-08 05:46:16 PM
HOTY candidate. Well done, subby, well done.
 
2011-12-08 05:46:32 PM

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


It's called Christianity.
 
2011-12-08 05:46:36 PM
Amazing Headline.
Feel bad for the family. They can have 100 kids as long as I don't have to pay for them.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:28 PM
Time to call it a day, honey.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:43 PM
I know everyone likes to make fun of them but I think they are a really sweet family. They obviously take good care of their children, and the fact that they can do that with 19 of them when so many families can't do it with one or two says a lot about their dedication to family.

I'm sorry for their loss. I can't imagine a second trimester loss. How awful.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


No it couldn't, their religion prohibits using any kind of contraception, It also considers a man who "spills his seed" to be a sinner. In other words, In these peoples minds the only sexual outlet is to have unprotected sex, and whatever happens in considered to be "God's Plan". I have no doubt that they will chalk this miscarriage up to "God's Will" and continue their delusional lifestyle.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:29 PM
FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:39 PM
I can usually see the funny in most tragic occurances but getting just a few posts into the thread has made me throatpunch so many people. I guess I have some unresolved issues on this subject.

/welcome to fark.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:40 PM

granolasteak: Second trimester miscarriages are awful. There's nothing to be vicious about here.


Their doctors warned them about any more pregnancies after the last one's complications.

This is self-inflicted stupidity -- sometimes public ridicule serves a purpose to have them think twice about doing it again.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:47 PM

radarlove: I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.

 
2011-12-08 05:49:13 PM
I don't support what they are doing, but as someone who has gone through a miscarriage twice, I can sympathize with them for their loss.
 
2011-12-08 05:49:14 PM
spectacular subby!
 
2011-12-08 05:49:40 PM

granolasteak: The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....


No, the sad part is these folks are irresponsible on multiple levels whether they're on national television or not. These folks are horders only instead of newspaper or milk jugs they're hording people.
 
2011-12-08 05:49:47 PM
headline could have just been: 19... and two thirds.
 
2011-12-08 05:50:05 PM

Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


While I have sympathy for what you and your wife have been through, perhaps you should realize it is not so much the miscarriage but that the Woman in question is a FRIGGING HUMAN PEZ DISPENSER!

Now that I have said that

cdn.inquisitr.com
 
2011-12-08 05:51:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

www.kyru.net


What can I say, it's been a few years since my last green. Plus, it is a clown car with roast beef gullwing doors.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:15 PM

granolasteak: Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife,

I am so sorry.


His wife was stillborn? That's horrible.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:22 PM
If I knew I was going to enter the world kid #20 to bat-shiat insane parents I would have hanged myself on my own umbilical cord too.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:24 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Once, it was a clown car. Now, it's a hearse.


It can be both. Behold, the clown car hearse:

www.blogcdn.com
 
2011-12-08 05:53:16 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


It was a very good headline.
 
2011-12-08 05:53:20 PM

AbbeySomeone: God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.


Isn't that the divine goal? To go before God? Does she want to go first or her kids? Well....in this case, that question was answered for her. Sadly, I think her faith is clouding acceptance of biology, in which, if biology is of divine creation, this should be putting her on notice....before the next one kills her.
 
2011-12-08 05:53:43 PM

Jixa: FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.


Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

There are vastly more important things in this universe than humping like bunnies and pooping out babies.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:04 PM

Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard


From your linked article: "Bill Gothard is also big on handing out advice to parents, especially in the "Quiverfull" movement--including to none other than the very poster-children of "Quiverfull", the Duggar clan--already up to seventeen little God Warrior sproglets."

I drove past a mosque once and heard a call to prayer. Guess I'm a radical Muslim terrorist now.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:11 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


Keep trying. God may intend for you to have 20 headlines greened.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:38 PM
They should name the baby Pubert.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:51 PM
I'm suspecting the sad tag is only so Subby doesn't look like an ass. cause really, everyone here's making fun of her
 
2011-12-08 05:54:54 PM
She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?
 
2011-12-08 05:55:01 PM
Oh dear God, Dad Dugger just hung a sock on the bedroom doorknob.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:14 PM

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


She's like a fleshy flak 88.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:42 PM
Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:43 PM

Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse"


Wait, are we talking about the WHOLE bible, or just the New Testament? The NT wouldn't sound that painful, but the OT is pretty damn heavy.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:49 PM
Jeez, I hate to be an asshole, but GOOD.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:52 PM

bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Or maybe it's a form of hoarding.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:56 PM

Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....

No, the sad part is these folks are irresponsible on multiple levels whether they're on national television or not. These folks are horders only instead of newspaper or milk jugs they're hording people.


She's a whore for her faith? that's how I see it.
 
2011-12-08 05:56:07 PM
I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.
 
2011-12-08 05:56:10 PM
Better than the likely short bus alternative.

www.aafp.org
 
2011-12-08 05:56:29 PM
time to use the butt
 
2011-12-08 05:56:34 PM

Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P


Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.
 
2011-12-08 05:57:43 PM
Maybe god was too busy ensuring Tebow would win football games? I mean God only has so much time to devote to clown car repairs.
 
2011-12-08 05:58:11 PM

zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?


www.photobasement.com
 
2011-12-08 05:58:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The tranny may be shot, but I'm betting the tailpipe is still working.


I thought doing a tranny means working through the tailpipe.

/Hate getting a re-manned tranny.
//Prefer trannies with a nice long shift
 
2011-12-08 05:58:21 PM

Poison Appleseeds: This could have been avoided.

No it couldn't, their religion prohibits using any kind of contraception, It also considers a man who "spills his seed" to be a sinner. In other words, In these peoples minds the only sexual outlet is to have unprotected sex, and whatever happens in considered to be "God's Plan". I have no doubt that they will chalk this miscarriage up to "God's Will" and continue their delusional lifestyle.




Actually, Michelle Duggar stops nursing at 6 months with each child, just so she can get pregnant again. So, yes, it could have been avoided. Most QF families are not against breastfeeding as birth control.
 
2011-12-08 05:59:35 PM

Lunchlady: That's headline of the damn year right there


It's good that they offer headline writers up to two chances for a good headline every year.
 
2011-12-08 06:00:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse"

Wait, are we talking about the WHOLE bible, or just the New Testament? The NT wouldn't sound that painful, but the OT is pretty damn heavy.


OK, I should clarify here--we're talking not so much literally beating someone with the Bible, but more of systematic forms of abuse (generally spousal abuse and child abuse) that claim to use the Bible as the basis. (And generally the groups that do promote religiously motivated domestic abuse tend to use the Old Testament, and specifically various "scripture twistings" of either Levitican law or other books from the Old Testament.)
 
2011-12-08 06:02:07 PM
Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.
 
2011-12-08 06:02:49 PM

GAT_00: Ok, even I think that's too far.


I think it's not too far enough.
 
2011-12-08 06:03:26 PM
Whats 18 inches long and makes a woman cry?


/runs
 
2011-12-08 06:03:52 PM

FirstNationalBastard: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

[www.photobasement.com image 500x374]


No, at this stage, a cigar box would do.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:05 PM

Lone Stranger: They should name the baby Pubert.


You know, if I was shooting for 26, I'd name each one starting with a different letter of the alphabet. Aleysha, Booleemya, Chlamidya, and so on.

So # 20 would have been Tondaleo or something like that.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:27 PM

inkblot: I don't know whether to feel sad.


I'm not.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:29 PM

mjoven1975: Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.


That's what I thought when I heard they were having a funeral for a fetus.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:41 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


You're now flirting with addiction buddy. Careful.
 
2011-12-08 06:05:11 PM

zabadu: FirstNationalBastard: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

[www.photobasement.com image 500x374]

No, at this stage, a cigar box would do.


Isn't that what it just came out of?

www.politicalquote.net
 
2011-12-08 06:05:13 PM

zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?


Or they could just go with "Pat".
 
2011-12-08 06:05:18 PM
Is Sad tag for the fact that I knew exactly what this article was about based on that headline?

+1 Subby
 
2011-12-08 06:05:28 PM

zabadu: mjoven1975: Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.

That's what I thought when I heard they were having a funeral for a fetus.


"Funeral for a Fetus"?

They're not gonna get Elton John to go all Princess Di on another song, are they?
 
2011-12-08 06:05:38 PM
I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.
 
2011-12-08 06:05:41 PM

RidersOfLohan: time to use the butt


This
 
2011-12-08 06:06:37 PM
I approve of this headline. Those farking weirdos made a spectacle of their stupid choices, I heartily approve mocking them for it.
 
2011-12-08 06:06:45 PM

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Yes, they're part of a "Quiverful" movement that hopes to out-breed the heathens. it's disgusting and wasteful of resources -- and worse, it puts more indoctrinated asshats into play.
 
2011-12-08 06:07:00 PM
Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

**Snert**
Funniest thing I've read all day!
 
2011-12-08 06:07:39 PM
I was just thinking that before Old Joe Bob works one minute he already has a minimum of 75K in tax deductions, and most over 125K when all is said and done!

Remember this the next time someone goes on about how they receive no Govt. Assistance,
 
2011-12-08 06:07:44 PM

radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.


witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...
 
2011-12-08 06:08:05 PM

MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.


Or perhaps it isn't harder for them since they define their whole existence upon the Mrs. spewing the contents of her vagina into the public square, they already have 19 children, and that she's also miscarried before.

Your sympathy would be much better spent on the children who are being murdered in Syria, but then again, they don't have their own reality show.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:11 PM
She stopped a beating heart. She murdered the preborn citizen in her womb.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:14 PM

Da Bum: FirstNationalBastard: ...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

www.kyru.net

What can I say, it's been a few years since my last green. Plus, it is a clown car with roast beef gullwing doors.


LOL! You need to write more headlines.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:28 PM
I think I found their family portrait:

www.pbs.org
 
2011-12-08 06:09:06 PM
To beat the record, she has 13 more years in which to give birth.

Think about it. 13 more years.
 
2011-12-08 06:09:31 PM

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.
 
2011-12-08 06:09:33 PM

MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.


I am so sorry for your losses. Thank you for being a voice for sanity in this generally disdainful and rude thread.

My daughter is 20 weeks pregnant right now. Were she to spontaneously abort (miscarry), it would be no less of a loss to us than were she to birth a stillborn baby in 20 more weeks. I completely understand their desire for a funeral service and to name their baby.
 
2011-12-08 06:10:20 PM

Chariset: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

....darn you for making me laugh at that...


second.
 
2011-12-08 06:10:28 PM

A Fark Handle: radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...


Now THAT's a picture I didn't want in my head.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:15 PM
Well this confirms it.

You guys are assholes.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:19 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.


I'm sure it was immaculate.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:25 PM

Great Porn Dragon: /full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement


NLQ was my first thought; the story of the lady who wanted a simple little garden statue as a monument for her lost children, and the husband who said no...

So sad. I feel bad for them on an emotional level but there's so much "COMMON SENSE" I want to scream at them. I'm not going to be surprised if they try again...
 
2011-12-08 06:11:25 PM

A Fark Handle: radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...


I actively promote the use of many holes for many different situations. This is one of them, yes.

/remember kids, it's only onanism if it gets on the ground!
 
2011-12-08 06:11:34 PM

granolasteak: MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.

I am so sorry for your losses. Thank you for being a voice for sanity in this generally disdainful and rude thread.


Oh please.

 
2011-12-08 06:11:41 PM

jst3p: Really? Cuz I find the fact that you know this to be a little farked up.


You're unable to do a GIS for uterus? It's a body part, same as a stomach or kidney. I also know what those look like.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:51 PM

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


And that it's perfectly fine to get married at 19, and to have the women be completely dependent upon the husband.
 
2011-12-08 06:12:11 PM

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?
 
2011-12-08 06:13:20 PM
She fumbled that baby.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:23 PM
INGREDIENTS FOR THIS WOMAN TO MISCARRY: A strong wind and a skirt.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:44 PM

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?



Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


It's a tragedy for you and your wife because she probably hasn't had 19 other kids already. For the Duggars, a miscarriage is a statistic.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:54 PM

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.



While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:12 PM

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


Done in one.

The whole reason these two nimrods turned her vagoo into a clown car in the first place is because of the first miscarraige which they blamed on the (not entirely effective, apparently) birth control she was taking at the time. They took it as a sign from God that birth control was the Devil's work and to have as many children as possible.

So if miscarraige = sign from God, what's he telling you this time?
 
2011-12-08 06:14:18 PM

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: I don't take joy in this, But Goddamit, everything wears out if you overuse it.


yeah, i am curious if the rate of miscarriage increases rapidly after x number of pregnancies. eh, it could just be age alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:27 PM
While I would not wish a miscarriage on anyone, I have to say that when you've been warned that the pregnancy is dangerous, when you've abused your womb by pounding out two baseball teams already, and when you put adherence to a destructive ideology above common sense and medical advice..... well, you've accepted a certain risk there, haven't you?

And I can only wonder how long it'll be before she attempts another.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:55 PM
When I was 31 my husband and I moved to the country where our only neighbors were Amish. The closest family had 14 kids (and counting) and they were the same age as my husband and myself. We had one child. They since have went on to have several more. I never discussed with her their views on birth control as it seemed they had none. I was struck by the fact that had my parents been of a different faith I could have been her ((shudder)). Just one of those wow moments life gives us.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:15 PM

1derful:

Or perhaps it isn't harder for them since they define their whole existence upon the Mrs. spewing the contents of her vagina into the public square, they already have 19 children, and that she's also miscarried before.

Your sympathy would be much better spent on the children who are being murdered in Syria, but then again, they don't have their own reality show.


I've been pregnant over half a dozen times and have two living children. Losing a wanted baby does not get easier. End of story.

Also, this thread is about the Duggars. I was commenting on the topic at hand. Just because I feel sympathy for any woman who has lost a pregnancy does not mean I do not care about other tragedies.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:32 PM
Sorry all, but the loss of a kid is the worst thing that can happen.
Been there/done that Please no joke about the situation.
 
m3h
2011-12-08 06:16:47 PM

AbbeySomeone: God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.


That would fix the problem for the future.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:53 PM

granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?
 
2011-12-08 06:17:16 PM

larrimo: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.


THIS
 
2011-12-08 06:17:42 PM

demonfaerie: Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.


You have a spray booth big enough to fit a uterus clown car in? Very nice.
 
2011-12-08 06:17:50 PM
Came for Clevon Family tree, leaving disappoint
 
2011-12-08 06:17:55 PM

granolasteak: So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't..they adopt on of those?


FTFY
 
2011-12-08 06:19:05 PM

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.
 
2011-12-08 06:19:57 PM

Mike Chewbacca: But they knew this was a very real possibility, and at some point you have to realize that you can spare yourself pain by not doing stupid things. That includes not getting pregnant for the 21st time at the age of 46. She's lucky she didn't die as well.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:20:00 PM
Can somebody with time and skill photoshop a damaged clown car and caption it "that'll buff out"? I'd give up my 1st class ticket to hell and sit in coach to see that
 
2011-12-08 06:20:01 PM
I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:20:12 PM
And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:06 PM

albuquerquehalsey: They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.



QFT

Because god wants more children on an overpopulated planet at the risk of the mother's life.

Crazy is as crazy does.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:43 PM

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.
 
2011-12-08 06:23:37 PM
i1097.photobucket.com

Happy Britney Spear's Speculum (sic)?
 
2011-12-08 06:23:52 PM
FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.
 
2011-12-08 06:24:02 PM

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.



To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'
 
2011-12-08 06:24:23 PM

markie_farkie: This seems appropriate (new window)


As does this
 
2011-12-08 06:24:49 PM

zabadu: We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.


Well when your sky wizard mandates tithing, how else are you going to increase the bottom line?
 
2011-12-08 06:26:01 PM

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


True enough. If your desire to produce warriors for god trumps your desire to parent your existing kids, I'm questioning your thought process.
 
2011-12-08 06:26:06 PM

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:27:08 PM
mediaho: I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:27:12 PM

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


I have a lot more respect for these people.
http://www.debolts.com/history.html
 
2011-12-08 06:27:30 PM

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


Yeah, and I'm sure if I suggested that gay people raising kids were weird or a reason for public ridicule, Id get my rear handed to me on fark. I bet people would wonder why I care so much about other people's families when they seem to be doing fine, and I'm sure they'd suggest it unethical and backward that I place judgment on the choices that other people make. In fact, farkers might even wonder if was even healthy that I take such an interest in the family structure of complete strangers, and is there some kind of mental hangup characterized by putting too much thought into the sexual and reprodctive activities of other people?

Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.
 
2011-12-08 06:28:29 PM

misanthropic1: I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?


Well, as an atheist, homeschooling, former EMT/Firefighting mom of MANY children, yes, I think it's odd that you can't see many points of view on Fark.

Fark is not your personal political site. It's here to share ideas, and sometimes laugh at silliness in the world. ("We don't make news, we mock it.")

HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.
 
2011-12-08 06:29:37 PM

lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT


Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:00 PM
Has anyone mentioned how much of a glorious bastard subby is for the headline, yet?
 
2011-12-08 06:31:21 PM
If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:48 PM

granolasteak: HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.


Well. Bye.

/father who knows the difference between tragedy and self-inflicted vain stupidty
 
2011-12-08 06:32:02 PM

Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT

Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.


Q'ingFT the QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:32:22 PM

granolasteak: Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P

Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.


Not all Quiverfull families are into Gothard, true, but there IS plenty of documented evidence that the Duggars are Gothard acolytes:

Info from a pro-Quiverfull site explicitly noting the fact the Duggars are Gothard acolytes
Explicit discussion of the fact the Duggars are Gothardites (including commentary from pro-Quiverfull writers who see Gothard's tactics as profoundly harmful)
Article noting that Jim Duggar likely got recruited into the Gothard cult via an Institute on Biblical Life Principles "financial seminar" (which is a VERY common method of recruitment by the Gothardites)
A whole discussion forum on Gothard and his relationship with the Duggars on Discovery's forum re the Duggars' TLC show--spawned in large part because they have been very open about being Gothardites on the show
Statement re the Duggars' relationship with Bill Gothard from an antidominionist conservative Christian forum (yes, they do exist!)
No less than the National Enquirer has also reported on the relationship between the Duggars and Gothard--including notably pointing out how Gothard runs a coercive group (oddly enough, the National Enquirer does tend to be careful about its sources as they were hit with a lawsuit in the 80s; stuff they've reported on has often been found to be legitimate when followed up by mainline non-tabloid press)
Discussion by Vyckie Garrison, an ex-Quiverfull walkaway, on the relationship with the Duggars and Gothard (of note: Vyckie used to be one of the big names in the Quiverfull movement before she walked away, and now operates the No Longer Quivering walkaway forum)

Or if that's not good enough, how about from the Duggars themselves?

Internet Archive post from the Duggars' own site where they're explicitly promoting Gothard (this, along with Wikipedia entries re Gothard and the Duggars, were expurgated when it came out that Gothard is a major promoter of religiously motivated domestic abuse; fortunately, Internet Archive and Wikipedia history hold the unexpurgated versions)
More Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion from the Duggars (including, among other things, promotion of the Gothard "homeschool" program--considered so educationally insufficient that some state boards consider kids educated with this program alone to be legally truant)
And still more Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion by the Duggars (this time, in "Faith Building Tools")

(Of note: the Duggar family's website seems to have gone largely flash-based as of 2011, but you can STILL see promotion of Bill Gothard material on the present website by mousing over the "Family Favorites" link--which includes links to the Gothardite "Basic Life Principles Seminar". So this isn't a case where they've recently walked away.)

I do not make the statement they're involved with the Gothard cult lightly, and not without a fair amount of evidence--a goodly part of it from the horse's mouth, at that.

(Now, it's also my opinion that Quiverfull as a movement and completely aside from Gothard is also an inherently abusive movement, but Gothard is one of the prime examples of its abusiveness (along with Michael and Debi Pearl and THEIR little religiously motivated domestic abuse "advice" empire that has led to multiple deaths). But that may be something we have to agree to disagree on.)
 
2011-12-08 06:32:58 PM

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.


If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.
 
2011-12-08 06:33:38 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


I gasped. I. Actually. Gasped.

/then I laaauuughed...
 
2011-12-08 06:33:57 PM

jbuist: Around 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. She's had two out of 21 pregnancies. That's 9.5%.

She's batting well above average.


Actually she's only had 19 pregnancies. There are 2 sets of twins in there.
 
2011-12-08 06:34:00 PM

dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.


Second removed... 19 is enough.
Don't question gods motives
 
2011-12-08 06:34:12 PM
Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:28 PM

Persnickety: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'


Two words: Peer pressure.

It works both ways.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:33 PM
Smited.

You dun broke da oven.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:37 PM

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.

You have a spray booth big enough to fit a uterus clown car in? Very nice.


Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:56 PM

Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.


It does if you want the species to continue.
 
2011-12-08 06:36:18 PM
This headline is farking brilliant.
 
2011-12-08 06:36:39 PM
This couple had a baby and after waiting a while, the doctor came back into the room holding the baby. The couple started to smile, and the doctor said, "I have great news for you both. Your baby can fly." The couple kind of looked at eachother confused, and the doctor said, "no really! I'll prove it!" and he released the baby. The baby fell to the ground and hit the floor with a sickening thud. The parents started to freak out, but the doctor said, "wow, I don't know what that was about. But trust me, your baby can seriously fly! here, let me try again". The doctor threw the baby, the baby hit the wall and fell to the floor with a sickening thud. The parents were really starting to get upset at this point. The father was starting to cuss at the doctor, and the doctor said, "okay last chance, this time I'll really prove it. I'm so serious, your baby can really fly!". The doctor went to the window, and held the baby out the window. The parents stood up as the doctor dropped the baby. The baby fell all the way and hit the cement 9 stories below with a sickening thud. At this point, the father ran at the doctor with his arms out and his teeth bared. The doctor took a step back, grinned, and said, "I'm just kidding! Your baby was still-born".

/isle seat please
 
2011-12-08 06:36:44 PM

Chariset: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

....darn you for making me laugh at that...


THIS.
 
2011-12-08 06:37:28 PM
BRAVO SUBMITTER!!!
 
2011-12-08 06:37:44 PM

Ed Grubermann: Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.

It does if you want the species to continue.


The sad part is it's the smart ones having one or two kids and the brainwashed sky wizard soldiers having the broods.
 
2011-12-08 06:37:50 PM

demonfaerie: Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.


I've built cars out of canvas and wood before. They catch on fire. Something about the fuel soaking into the fibres of the engine.
 
2011-12-08 06:38:13 PM

Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.


Some of us are just so damn awesome we are obligated to make sure our genetic material stays in the gene pool. To do otherwise would be a disservice to humanity.
 
2011-12-08 06:38:36 PM

puppetmaster745: Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.


I'm pretty sure each pregnancy after #2 added about a million dollars + of health care costs that their insurance took care of. Insurance that other, more responsible people also pay into and expect to be there when they get sick.

The last kid was in the NICU for a few weeks. The NICU ain't cheap my friend.
 
2011-12-08 06:39:02 PM

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Icing on an amazing headline cake!

/thank you, may we please have another?
 
2011-12-08 06:39:38 PM

albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.


More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).
 
2011-12-08 06:39:55 PM
Time to stop? No? Carry on then, and maybe prepare for another funeral or two.
 
2011-12-08 06:40:00 PM

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.

I've built cars out of canvas and wood before. They catch on fire. Something about the fuel soaking into the fibres of the engine.


Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.
 
2011-12-08 06:40:03 PM
What's with all the sympathy? Freaking clown car should've been black-flagged years ago.

If the silly coont loves kids so much she should adopt and save us from the tragedy of her loinfruit.

Nice work subby :)
 
2011-12-08 06:40:19 PM

jst3p: Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.

Some of us are just so damn awesome we are obligated to make sure our genetic material stays in the gene pool. To do otherwise would be a disservice to humanity.


HAHA! Fair enough!
 
2011-12-08 06:40:27 PM

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


And we're done in 1.

/+1 Subby
 
2011-12-08 06:41:08 PM

Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.


'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?
 
2011-12-08 06:41:56 PM

puppetmaster745: Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.


When they get out of the public eye, I will.
 
2011-12-08 06:42:07 PM

Great Porn Dragon: albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.

More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).


I bet when a woman's entire existence is defined by her ability to make babies, she's emotionally, mentally, and spiritually destroyed when she can't have any more. That's probably a huge part of why Michelle wants to keep making babies.
 
2011-12-08 06:42:26 PM

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.


Actually, no. If another farker failed to produce their 20th farking kid, we would still be less than sympathetic to them. You know why? Because trying to make that many babies is batshiat crazy, and making a public spectacle of it leaves you even less deserving of being treated as a human being.

This is brutally sad for the Duggars, sure. But not for humanity as a whole.

Also, I want to introduce you to something called "logic." You are impling that we who are not butthurt about a complete stranger's miscarriage are somehow less capable of dealing with tragedy that directly affects us. Wouldn't it make more sense for the people who are saddened by this article to be the ones who can't handle it, seeing as how they are apparently less callous in general?
 
2011-12-08 06:42:31 PM

lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT


As George Carlin once said, "Why don't any of these people go to the hospital and adopt an abandoned crack baby. Noooooo, that's too much like something Christ would actually do."
 
2011-12-08 06:42:50 PM
Nope. Not laughing at a (pre) child's death no matter how stupid, dogmatic and possibly crazy these people are.

Of course if she was aware of this possibility, it rests on their shoulders.
 
2011-12-08 06:43:10 PM
I found out today that a friend of mine miscarried. Unfortunately she had the d&c to remove the leftovers at a Catholic hospital. They gave her a birth certificate to take home so she could name it, and offered her burial services. At six weeks, the fetus is approximately a quarter of an inch in size, and they're offering her a farking coffin for a "modest donation". I couldn't find out how much they wanted, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Hail Satan
 
2011-12-08 06:43:52 PM

granolasteak: misanthropic1: I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?

Well, as an atheist, homeschooling, former EMT/Firefighting mom of MANY children, yes, I think it's odd that you can't see many points of view on Fark.

Fark is not your personal political site. It's here to share ideas, and sometimes laugh at silliness in the world. ("We don't make news, we mock it.")

HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.


Sorry, you seem to have missed my point. From my utilitarian view these people are mentally ill and actively trying to make the world a more anti-intellectual and totalitarian place for my/our potential children (you seem ok with this). Hence, the failure of their poorly conceived endeavor in no way troubles me; quite the opposite. I don't feel sorry for idiots that get drunk and wreck their car or shoot themselves by accident, either.

/also they're media whores and this is a humor forum
 
2011-12-08 06:44:16 PM

obamadidcoke: 'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?


Nope, I deride people who get paid to go on tv to spout their rhetoric about ruining the planet because of some agenda they have.
 
2011-12-08 06:44:57 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Great Porn Dragon: albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.

More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).

I bet when a woman's entire existence is defined by her ability to make babies, she's emotionally, mentally, and spiritually destroyed when she can't have any more. That's probably a huge part of why Michelle wants to keep making babies.


That pretty much IS it in a nutshell, at least according to ex-Quiverfull folks I've talked to; their whole reason for existence is making babies, and when they can't make babies or raise babies, they have nothing to live for and even their very faith comes into question :P

(Interestingly, it's usually been either the woman being found sterile or having her health wrecked by having so many kids that causes the "crisis of faith" that leads them to walk away.)
 
2011-12-08 06:45:34 PM
God murdered her fetus. Conservative outrage in 3-2-1- - - - - - Where the f*ck is the conservative outrage???

/Soylent Green stocks soar.
 
2011-12-08 06:45:39 PM

demonfaerie: Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.


Hmmmm... you might be onto something. Maybe I should draw up some plans for the Spruce Coupe II....
 
2011-12-08 06:46:10 PM
I've never seen the show and what I know about this family is basically from Fark and Wikipedia. Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled? I've always heard that risk increases with age and statistics aren't in her favor.

Also, the dad's a real estate investor and reportedly can support a family of 20 debt-free. Having known some real estate investors in today's market, this seems highly implausible to me. Do they have another source of funding? I don't know if TLC secures sponsors for the family like they did for the building of their house.
 
2011-12-08 06:47:01 PM

obamadidcoke: Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.

'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?


Really? You want to play that game?

Obviously God decided that this 20th kid's life wasn't valuable enough.
 
2011-12-08 06:48:22 PM

granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.
 
2011-12-08 06:49:26 PM
Having suffered through three miscarriages - yes, it is a tragedy, and no, it's not something that you ever really get over. However. She has nineteen farkin' kids, what the hell did she expect?! It's a miracle that her Baby Jesus Pez Dispenser doesn't simply dangle inside-out between her legs.

/Laughed at the headline.
//If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at?
 
2011-12-08 06:49:27 PM

safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?


I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.
 
2011-12-08 06:49:37 PM

granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


Instead of squirting out 20... excuse me, 19 kids of their own, why didn't they just adopt 19 abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted kids?
 
2011-12-08 06:49:58 PM

Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.


Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .
 
2011-12-08 06:50:24 PM

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.

Hmmmm... you might be onto something. Maybe I should draw up some plans for the Spruce Coupe II....


Dooooo it, make sure a lit of glitter is involved.
 
2011-12-08 06:50:50 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Having suffered through three miscarriages - yes, it is a tragedy, and no, it's not something that you ever really get over. However. She has nineteen farkin' kids, what the hell did she expect?! It's a miracle that her Baby Jesus Pez Dispenser doesn't simply dangle inside-out between her legs.

/Laughed at the headline.
//If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at?


crosebrough.typepad.com
 
2011-12-08 06:51:06 PM
QUICK! Try the biatch for murder!
 
2011-12-08 06:51:21 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: *snert*

+1


Not going search the thread to see if someone said it already, but technically for the story it would be a -1.
 
2011-12-08 06:51:34 PM

Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.


The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.
 
2011-12-08 06:51:49 PM
www.academicperspective.com

/Most appropriate pic I could find

fark that family.
 
2011-12-08 06:52:14 PM

Great Porn Dragon: granolasteak: Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P

Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.

Not all Quiverfull families are into Gothard, true, but there IS plenty of documented evidence that the Duggars are Gothard acolytes:

Info from a pro-Quiverfull site explicitly noting the fact the Duggars are Gothard acolytes
Explicit discussion of the fact the Duggars are Gothardites (including commentary from pro-Quiverfull writers who see Gothard's tactics as profoundly harmful)
Article noting that Jim Duggar likely got recruited into the Gothard cult via an Institute on Biblical Life Principles "financial seminar" (which is a VERY common method of recruitment by the Gothardites)
A whole discussion forum on Gothard and his relationship with the Duggars on Discovery's forum re the Duggars' TLC show--spawned in large part because they have been very open about being Gothardites on the show
Statement re the Duggars' relationship with Bill Gothard from an antidominionist conservative Christian forum (yes, they do exist!)
No less than the National Enquirer has also reported on the relationship between the Duggars and Gothard--including notably pointing out how Gothard runs a coercive group (oddly enough, the National Enquirer does tend to be careful about its sources as they were hit with a lawsuit in the 80s; stuff they've reported on has often been found to be legitimate when followed up by mainline ...


Reading all these links right now, thank you for responding.

I am absolutely sure the Pearls are guilty of multiple murders via their parenting advice, and I'm interested in knowing more about Gothard and his little cult. If indeed the Duggars are abusing their children, then that changes my perspective on how they parent, but not on why they should not be ridiculed for having a large family.

Knowing as many fundamentalist Christians as I do, I know it can be hard for the more peace-loving among them to find a voice or a style when raising their children. There is a presumption that large families mean stricter, more cruel and abusive households, more restrictions regarding privacy and more intent on producing g-dly children (by whatever means necessary).

There are voices for peaceful parenting of large families out there, as obviously you know. Not all large families are of the "Pearl advice" type.

Thanks again for the links.
 
2011-12-08 06:52:24 PM
GOOD!
 
2011-12-08 06:52:38 PM

Mike Chewbacca: safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?

I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.


Did you account for the older brother effect in your calculations?

fresnelmusic: Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


I'm sure having a nationally broadcast cable show based on your reproductive prowess helps pay a few bills. Especially since each person would be getting some kind of payment for being on TV. Part of that deal, of course, is that you open your lives to public scrutiny. And whether it's fair or not... they're getting scrutiny.
 
2011-12-08 06:53:00 PM

fresnelmusic: Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".
 
2011-12-08 06:53:07 PM

fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


No, they're just whoring their family out to the media.
 
2011-12-08 06:53:52 PM
On a personal level I feel bad for them and their loss. On the other hand I think the Duggars are incredibly irresponsible and selfish to keep trying for more babies at her age with as many children as they already have. You have 19 kids, it's potentially life threatening for you to continue to have more kids, depriving your existing children of a mother because you love babies is selfish to say nothing of the resources more kids will need. Yes I know your current kids are fine well cared for etc. part of the reason using your older kids to take care of the newbies and in betweens maybe your older kids don't have the lifelong dream of being nannies for their younger siblings, it's selfish that you as a parent expect that of your child. People shouldn't have kids they can't adequately care for and I don't think 2 people can adequately parent 19 kids. Back in the day kids were a resource to exploit. Children are no longer an economic necessity. If you are going to bring more people into the world when bringing those people into the world is completely and totally a choice you need to exercise some judgement about what type life those new people are going to have, not just what you as the bringer in wants. Also they aren't totally supporting those kids either they have government subsidized healthcare as part of Jim Bob's seperation from his state legislative job. Birth defects go up as maternal (and father's although to a lesser degree) age increases. If you are 45 and have just one kid and want another that's a little more defensible although in that age range if you want to have a kid I think ideally you should adopt.
 
2011-12-08 06:54:39 PM

Mike Chewbacca: fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .

No, they're just whoring their family out to the media.


Exactly. And what is this g-d stuff? Can we not just say God?
 
2011-12-08 06:54:58 PM

Mercutio74: Mike Chewbacca: safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?

I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

Did you account for the older brother effect in your calculations?


What calculations? I totally pulled that number out of my ass. I do know that the number of older brothers a boy has is directly related to his chances of being gay. But I haven't bothered to try and figure that out in this case. I don't actually know how many sons this family has.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:24 PM

lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.


My money is on some sort of Jonestown scenario.

Or a Lizzie Borden scenario.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:33 PM

dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.


Twentieth-ed.

My husband worked with one of these people- the husband. His wife also almost died popping out kids. A few co-workers actually took him aside to ask him why they were trying for another when he almost lost her. He seemed genuinely stumped. He figured that -no shiatting you- God was working and that god would take care of it. Many of the co-workers were Christians, and put the question to him that maybe that's not the way it works. What was he going to do if she died- with 5 kids and no family nearby to help.
I swear the man must never have considered it. He actually took the counseling to heart, and actually asked questions about birth control, etc.
He was just uninformed and really dumb. He was a level 11 professional working for the govt. Not a stupid man, he was a good professional, has a degree. Only thing odd, though- she was much younger than he, so it was figured she just fell into what he thought was best. Good on my husband&co-workers, they probably saved her life.

It's baffling what religious belief can do to you. I hope for this particular family, this will wake them up, and they stop. Honestly, that's a farking quiverfull already.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:47 PM
This time no victory lap on TLC.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:38 PM

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Not at all. They are hoarders. Instead of cats or tchatchkes, though, they have kids.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:53 PM

demonfaerie: Dooooo it, make sure a lit of glitter is involved.


I'm worried that the mention of clown car and adding "fabulous" trappings might attract the attention of Ted Haggard. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but my clowns tell me that a meth fuelled evangelists make them nervous.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:56 PM

Knara: lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.

My money is on some sort of Jonestown scenario.

Or a Lizzie Borden scenario.


Christ, can you imagine the length of the poem for that? It would put a Homeric Epic to shame!
 
2011-12-08 06:57:08 PM

fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


so, they don't file a tax return?
 
2011-12-08 06:57:24 PM

jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".


In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.
 
2011-12-08 06:58:03 PM

DrExplosion: obamadidcoke: Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.

'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?

Really? You want to play that game?

Obviously God decided that this 20th kid's life wasn't valuable enough.


So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God
 
2011-12-08 06:58:11 PM
images.clipartof.com
 
2011-12-08 06:58:28 PM
Always find it amusing that people will laugh at all kinds of sick humor, tragedy, etc until it hits them personally and then they get all butthurt. First noticed that listening to O&A when some tranny called in upset about their mockery. Mocking gays, blacks, asians, stutterers, etc was funny until they mocked trannies.

To all you farkers who ever lost a child whether a miscarriage or after, I'm sorry for your loss. But if this is a sensitive subject for you, maybe you should stay out of the comments section cuz unless you're a n00b, you know better.
 
2011-12-08 06:58:36 PM

Mike Chewbacca: What calculations? I totally pulled that number out of my ass. I do know that the number of older brothers a boy has is directly related to his chances of being gay. But I haven't bothered to try and figure that out in this case. I don't actually know how many sons this family has.


Oh, it's a real thing... and it's fabulously fascinating (new window)...
 
WGJ
2011-12-08 06:58:36 PM
img2.timeinc.netonemansblog.com

Smiling (Jim) Bob says "Enzyte really works."
 
2011-12-08 06:58:38 PM

TheMysticS: dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.

Twentieth-ed.

My husband worked with one of these people- the husband. His wife also almost died popping out kids. A few co-workers actually took him aside to ask him why they were trying for another when he almost lost her. He seemed genuinely stumped. He figured that -no shiatting you- God was working and that god would take care of it. Many of the co-workers were Christians, and put the question to him that maybe that's not the way it works. What was he going to do if she died- with 5 kids and no family nearby to help.
I swear the man must never have considered it. He actually took the counseling to heart, and actually asked questions about birth control, etc.
He was just uninformed and really dumb. He was a level 11 professional working for the govt. Not a stupid man, he was a good professional, has a degree. Only thing odd, though- she was much younger than he, so it was figured she just fell into what he thought was best. Good on my husband&co-workers, they probably saved her life.

It's baffling what religious belief can do to you. I hope for this particular family, this will wake them up, and they stop. Honestly, that's a farking quiverfull already.


Almost as though conditioned to be a functional member of society without the capacity for logical thought or critical analysis...

/but who would that benifit?
 
2011-12-08 06:59:00 PM

lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.


So is neglecting our teeth to the point that they fall out by 35, but we don't have to do that anymore either.
 
2011-12-08 06:59:01 PM

jvowles: While I would not wish a miscarriage on anyone, I have to say that when you've been warned that the pregnancy is dangerous, when you've abused your womb by pounding out two baseball teams already, and when you put adherence to a destructive ideology above common sense and medical advice..... well, you've accepted a certain risk there, haven't you?

And I can only wonder how long it'll be before she attempts another.


Next week.
 
2011-12-08 06:59:10 PM

lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.


Yeah, but so was 2/3 of your kids dying before age 5. Things are different now. How successful can you be as a parent if you're actually only raising 4 of your 19 kids?
 
2011-12-08 07:00:10 PM

Mike Chewbacca: fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .

No, they're just whoring their family out to the media.


That's why they're not on public assistance. They're getting paid to be AWs. And we're the dupes.
 
2011-12-08 07:00:14 PM

fresnelmusic: It was our 5th child. does that mean we deserved less sympathy too?


I sympathize, and if I can offer a bit of advice, when the horse bucks you off, you get right back on it. As sad as that miscarriage may have been for you and your wife, do not let that pain stop you from continuing to produce children. Use that pain instead to motivate your efforts, I'm sure your wife has a least 5 children left that she could give birth two, maybe more. You shouldn't let things like age, prior pregnancy problems, health issues, and so on keep you from being fruitful and multiplying no matter what Farkers or doctors might say.
 
2011-12-08 07:00:27 PM

Spass_Taschen: Always find it amusing that people will laugh at all kinds of sick humor, tragedy, etc until it hits them personally and then they get all butthurt. First noticed that listening to O&A when some tranny called in upset about their mockery. Mocking gays, blacks, asians, stutterers, etc was funny until they mocked trannies.


Damn straight!

img2.timeinc.net
 
2011-12-08 07:00:40 PM

DrExplosion:
Obviously God decided that this 20th kid's life wasn't valuable enough.


No, no, no, this child was so special that it was sent directly to Heaven to be with God instead of spending time in this sinful place.

Right? This is how they justify it?
 
2011-12-08 07:01:03 PM

Smeggy Smurf: [www.sigcis.org image 500x375]


I'm guessing "All of the above" will be their response.
 
2011-12-08 07:01:23 PM

FirstNationalBastard: granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

Instead of squirting out 20... excuse me, 19 kids of their own, why didn't they just adopt 19 abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted kids?


I'll gladly accept this logic if we can apply it equally to every other parent that's ever chosen to have biological children when there were children waiting to be adopted.

We have 3 daughters. We've gone through the adoption process, and it was time consuming and emotionally draining. My husband got orders to another state before we finished the homestudy and have never attempted it again. Several times in the last few years we've come across distant relatives and friends of friends who were raising their grandkids out of necessity when their kids farked up. We've always made it clear that our home was open if they found they couldn't raise the kids. This will be the closest to adoption we're going to get, because I don't have what it takes to go through the state to adopt again.

I always kind of shake my head at the "go adopt kids" argument. God I really wish it were that easy.
 
2011-12-08 07:02:08 PM
This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Stop having fornicating and see how many more kids God gives you.
 
2011-12-08 07:02:09 PM
I want this woman's uterus to fall out, slowly and painfully. And I wanna see her stupid f*ckin' kids pray her to death. Then maybe one of them will experiment with mushrooms growing in cow shiat and go postal on his entire family.

The father is a complete douche and I hope he goes first, in front of all of them.

2 or 3 of them can plan this, and they can keep the hot sisters to f*ck and rape in the barn.

/1, please
//oh yeah
.lh6.googleusercontent.com
..lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2011-12-08 07:02:27 PM

obamadidcoke: So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God


None after the 1st two live births.

You only need to replace yourselves.
You don't need to add people to the planet.
 
2011-12-08 07:03:14 PM

Guidette Frankentits: I'm pretty sure each pregnancy after #2 added about a million dollars + of health care costs that their insurance took care of. Insurance that other, more responsible people also pay into and expect to be there when they get sick.

The last kid was in the NICU for a few weeks. The NICU ain't cheap my friend.

Snippet:

One part of the Duggar's claim, their lack of government assistance, will change. All premature babies who weigh less than 1,200 g at birth, like Josie, are automatically eligible for Medicaid for their first year of life. Without this Medicaid most parents, even with insurance, are unable to meet the costs of such a medically fragile child.


Link

Either way, they have government assistance. They get a tax credit for every child, and all money they send to their church is tax-deductible. They also receive that back from the church in the form of aid, which is also tax-free.
 
2011-12-08 07:03:24 PM

jst3p: lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.

So is neglecting our teeth to the point that they fall out by 35, but we don't have to do that anymore either.


I wasn't making a value judgement, just citing facts.

Here's another one:

When anthropologists dig up early European skeletons, the teeth are in pretty good shape. It's the development of refined sugars that doomed oral hygiene until recently where we learned about the causal relationship between sugar and dental caries.
 
2011-12-08 07:04:45 PM

Mercutio74: Mike Chewbacca: What calculations? I totally pulled that number out of my ass. I do know that the number of older brothers a boy has is directly related to his chances of being gay. But I haven't bothered to try and figure that out in this case. I don't actually know how many sons this family has.

Oh, it's a real thing... and it's fabulously fascinating (new window)...


Yeah, I've read about this before. John Barrowman did a tv news thing about why he was gay, and it turns out his mom had had a miscarriage of a boy before she'd had John.
 
2011-12-08 07:04:46 PM
Meh, no big deal. Same as droppig an egg on the floor while making breakfast. Who cares? Amirite?
 
2011-12-08 07:05:12 PM

Knara: Or a Lizzie Borden scenario.


lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2011-12-08 07:05:22 PM

lohphat: jst3p: lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.

So is neglecting our teeth to the point that they fall out by 35, but we don't have to do that anymore either.

I wasn't making a value judgement, just citing facts.

Here's another one:

When anthropologists dig up early European skeletons, the teeth are in pretty good shape. It's the development of refined sugars that doomed oral hygiene until recently where we learned about the causal relationship between sugar and dental caries.


Fair enough, that was not a valid example. Someone else made the same point with better support after me.
 
2011-12-08 07:05:33 PM

Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

None after the 1st two live births.

You only need to replace yourselves.
You don't need to add people to the planet.


Thanks Dr. Ehrlich.

How about a little action on the future availability of commodities.
 
2011-12-08 07:05:37 PM
Wow, this thread is a mess...
 
2011-12-08 07:05:51 PM

Nishu: FirstNationalBastard: granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

Instead of squirting out 20... excuse me, 19 kids of their own, why didn't they just adopt 19 abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted kids?

I'll gladly accept this logic if we can apply it equally to every other parent that's ever chosen to have biological children when there were children waiting to be adopted.

We have 3 daughters. We've gone through the adoption process, and it was time consuming and emotionally draining. My husband got orders to another state before we finished the homestudy and have never attempted it again. Several times in the last few years we've come across distant relatives and friends of friends who were raising their grandkids out of necessity when their kids farked up. We've always made it clear that our home was open if they found they couldn't raise the kids. This will be the closest to adoption we're going to get, because I don't have what it takes to go through the state to adopt again.

I always kind of shake my head at the "go adopt kids" argument. God I really wish it were that easy.


That's something I've always heard of and just don't understand... there are facilities full of kids to be adopted, but it seems as if the state doesn't want to let them go.

I understand that they need to be sure that the kids don't go to some abusive psycho nutjob. But is the adoption process so horribly drawn out and complicated that it goes above and beyond making sure the child will be placed in a decent home?

I'm sincerely curious about this, and you might be able to provide answers... exactly how farked up and difficult is the adoption process?
 
2011-12-08 07:05:58 PM

BadAdviceGuy: fresnelmusic: It was our 5th child. does that mean we deserved less sympathy too?

I sympathize, and if I can offer a bit of advice, when the horse bucks you off, you get right back on it. As sad as that miscarriage may have been for you and your wife, do not let that pain stop you from continuing to produce children. Use that pain instead to motivate your efforts, I'm sure your wife has a least 5 children left that she could give birth two, maybe more. You shouldn't let things like age, prior pregnancy problems, health issues, and so on keep you from being fruitful and multiplying no matter what Farkers or doctors might say.


Actually, a year after the loss of Quinn, we had another on the way. Scared the hell out of us because we found out was the reason for Quinn's passing was that he had Downs. Zack was born perfectly healthy and he is a little terror of a 2 yr old now that is completely spoiled by his 4 older sisters. FWIW, we knew he would be our last when in the 3rd trimester we started fretting about waking up in the middle of the night for diapers and feedings.
 
2011-12-08 07:05:58 PM

jst3p: having so many kids you have to outsource


I'll give you a big ol' THIS as well. I can't imagine how much it would suck wanting to live the life of a normal teen like every other kid out there, only to be drafted into shiatty nappies being part of your life for all your schooling years. Want to go out with your friends? Date that Girl? see a movie? can't can't can't. nobody can tell me that's healthy for any child.
 
2011-12-08 07:06:19 PM

Guidette Frankentits: None after the 1st two live births.


I don't know about you, but I'm usually full after the first two anyway.
 
2011-12-08 07:07:04 PM

Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.

Yeah, but so was 2/3 of your kids dying before age 5. Things are different now. How successful can you be as a parent if you're actually only raising 4 of your 19 kids?


Define "success" -- if you're able to provide food and shelter and the older kids help with the younger ones, who cares? Where is it written that only the parents are allowed to raise the kids. Also, define "raising". Are they just changing diapers? Feeding? Heck, I do that with my friends' kids, does that mean they're bad parents?
 
2011-12-08 07:07:05 PM

Spartan_Manhandler: Either way, they have government assistance. They get a tax credit for every child, and all money they send to their church is tax-deductible. They also receive that back from the church in the form of aid, which is also tax-free.



So. Much. This.
 
2011-12-08 07:07:18 PM

BadAdviceGuy: Guidette Frankentits: None after the 1st two live births.

I don't know about you, but I'm usually full after the first two anyway.


Unless the baby is Chinese.... cuz you know...
 
2011-12-08 07:08:04 PM
Had to Google Quiverfull, in short:

i.imgur.com

Also, this is full of win.
 
2011-12-08 07:08:35 PM

FarkingAussie: I'll give you a big ol' THIS as well. I can't imagine how much it would suck wanting to live the life of a normal teen like every other kid out there, only to be drafted into shiatty nappies being part of your life for all your schooling years. Want to go out with your friends? Date that Girl? see a movie? can't can't can't. nobody can tell me that's healthy for any child.


If they're the kind of religious they claim to be, the kids wouldn't be allowed to date anyhow or engage in any kind of activity that's not sanctioned by dad. Plus they're all essentially just automatons for the father to command (sometimes indirectly through the wife).
 
2011-12-08 07:08:56 PM
Be fruitful and multiply? Kiss my fanny.

Poor little Josie ... :- {
 
2011-12-08 07:09:35 PM
She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Maybe she should leave the number of children you have up to herself and the guy that keeps shooting his load inside of her.

How helpless can a person get?
 
2011-12-08 07:10:42 PM

lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.

Yeah, but so was 2/3 of your kids dying before age 5. Things are different now. How successful can you be as a parent if you're actually only raising 4 of your 19 kids?

Define "success" -- if you're able to provide food and shelter and the older kids help with the younger ones, who cares? Where is it written that only the parents are allowed to raise the kids. Also, define "raising". Are they just changing diapers? Feeding? Heck, I do that with my friends' kids, does that mean they're bad parents?


Part of my definition of success involves being a role model to my children such that later in life they will have an idea about what a healthy parenting relationship looks like. They fail on this regard. Your post makes it seem that so long as they are feed clothed and have their basic needs met that is "successful" child rearing. I think there is a lot of research on children raised in orphanages that would undermine your premise.
 
2011-12-08 07:11:19 PM
He looks happy in the photo. She looks tired and is just smiling because it's expected.

I am sorry for their loss, but I seriously think God is trying to tell them something. Problems with #19 resulting in a premature delivery. Miscarriage with #20. I have a feeling that if they don't stop, they are going to experience death of mom and baby with #21.

Hey, Mr. & Mrs. Dugar... God gave you brains. How about using them?
 
2011-12-08 07:11:22 PM

obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God


Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers
 
2011-12-08 07:11:24 PM

lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".

In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.

Yeah, but so was 2/3 of your kids dying before age 5. Things are different now. How successful can you be as a parent if you're actually only raising 4 of your 19 kids?

Define "success" -- if you're able to provide food and shelter and the older kids help with the younger ones, who cares? Where is it written that only the parents are allowed to raise the kids. Also, define "raising". Are they just changing diapers? Feeding? Heck, I do that with my friends' kids, does that mean they're bad parents?


The Duggars have to schedule one on one time with their kids because they have to many kids to just have it happen naturally. Yeah, that sounds totally healthy (and successful!) to me.
 
2011-12-08 07:12:33 PM
Will they televise the burial?
Will the fetus be burried in an empty 19 Kids and Counting DVD box set?
 
2011-12-08 07:13:27 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Will they televise the burial?


As a warning to the next fetus, gestate full term or your ass is buried!
 
2011-12-08 07:13:37 PM
Time to shut down the baby factory. It sounds like her body has outsourced her reproductive system to china and it's now producing inferior clones.
 
2011-12-08 07:13:52 PM

Gleeman: Had to Google Quiverfull, in short:

[i.imgur.com image 512x384]

Also, this is full of win.


From the link: Lifestyles are expensive, not kids.

cache.ohinternet.com
 
2011-12-08 07:15:35 PM
actually, she snarted and the wee tyke fell out ahead of schedule
 
2011-12-08 07:17:07 PM

jst3p: Part of my definition of success involves being a role model to my children such that later in life they will have an idea about what a healthy parenting relationship looks like. They fail on this regard. Your post makes it seem that so long as they are feed clothed and have their basic needs met that is "successful" child rearing. I think there is a lot of research on children raised in orphanages that would undermine your premise.


I hold no premise. I simply asked what the definition of "successful parenting" is.

By your measure some people would interpret that gay parents are not good parents by definition because they woudn't be able to say "later in life they will have an idea about what a healthy parenting relationship looks like" because ther wasn't one woman and one man as parents.

I'm simply trying to point out that there are no strict definitions. There are gross assumptions but even between families and cultures they vary quite a lot.

Then factor in single parents, mixed race/religions, missing parents, foster parents, grandparents and aunt/uncles as stand-in "parents".

Trying to define what is and is not a "healthy" family is the conservative playbook for restricting options and freedom.

We should be talking about outcomes not methodologies. Good kids come from bad homes and vice versa.
 
2011-12-08 07:17:56 PM
I thought this thread was going to be something political when I initially read the headline.

I bet her vagina has the structural integrity of a thrice bondod Chevette quater panel.
 
2011-12-08 07:19:44 PM

Mike Chewbacca: The Duggars have to schedule one on one time with their kids because they have to many kids to just have it happen naturally. Yeah, that sounds totally healthy (and successful!) to me.


Some kinds are loners, some kids need more attention.

If we follow your line of argument, then orphanages and classrooms where there are too many kids per adult need to be changed.

I'm not disagreeing with you in concept, but it's a slippery slope to try to define and restrict what constitutes a "proper" arrangement.
 
2011-12-08 07:20:31 PM

Mercutio74: FarkingAussie: I'll give you a big ol' THIS as well. I can't imagine how much it would suck wanting to live the life of a normal teen like every other kid out there, only to be drafted into shiatty nappies being part of your life for all your schooling years. Want to go out with your friends? Date that Girl? see a movie? can't can't can't. nobody can tell me that's healthy for any child.

If they're the kind of religious they claim to be, the kids wouldn't be allowed to date anyhow or engage in any kind of activity that's not sanctioned by dad. Plus they're all essentially just automatons for the father to command (sometimes indirectly through the wife).


This is what the people like that Granola chick further up in the thread don't get. These kids are getting screwed over by their own parents, but apparently thats all good.
 
2011-12-08 07:20:44 PM
images.travelpod.com
 
2011-12-08 07:22:23 PM

lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: The Duggars have to schedule one on one time with their kids because they have to many kids to just have it happen naturally. Yeah, that sounds totally healthy (and successful!) to me.

Some kinds are loners, some kids need more attention.

If we follow your line of argument, then orphanages and classrooms where there are too many kids per adult need to be changed.

I'm not disagreeing with you in concept, but it's a slippery slope to try to define and restrict what constitutes a "proper" arrangement.


Um...
 
2011-12-08 07:22:59 PM

DrExplosion: obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers


I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.
 
2011-12-08 07:24:24 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


I loved the headline.

I feel zero sympathy for someone who was told not to have any more kids and then went ahead and got pregnant again and lost the baby. My sister is a quiverful. fark every last one of them.
 
2011-12-08 07:26:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Nishu: FirstNationalBastard: granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

Instead of squirting out 20... excuse me, 19 kids of their own, why didn't they just adopt 19 abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted kids?

I'll gladly accept this logic if we can apply it equally to every other parent that's ever chosen to have biological children when there were children waiting to be adopted.

We have 3 daughters. We've gone through the adoption process, and it was time consuming and emotionally draining. My husband got orders to another state before we finished the homestudy and have never attempted it again. Several times in the last few years we've come across distant relatives and friends of friends who were raising their grandkids out of necessity when their kids farked up. We've always made it clear that our home was open if they found they couldn't raise the kids. This will be the closest to adoption we're going to get, because I don't have what it takes to go through the state to adopt again.

I always kind of shake my head at the "go adopt kids" argument. God I really wish it were that easy.

That's something I've always heard of and just don't understand... there are facilities full of kids to be adopted, but it seems as if the state doesn't want to let them go.

I understand that they need to be sure that the kids don't go to some abusive psycho nutjob. But is the adoption process so horribly drawn out and complicated that it goes above and beyond making sure the child will be placed in a decent home?

I'm sincerely curious about this, and you might be able to provide answers... exactly how farked up and difficult is the adoption process?


We had to start with a few weeks of nightly classes. The classes were over general parenting and parenting kids with abuse history. There was more information than I ever wanted to know about sexual abuse. Classes about adoption and foster care laws. Classes about first aid. Classes where they taught us about home requirements. I'm not sure they do it in ever state, but I haven't checked. My husband was in college at the time and we had time to do that stuff back in the day, but there's no way we'd ever have time now.

After the classes, there's interviews and home inspections. Lots of them. Long, drawn out conversations about whether or not you're a decent human being and fit to have kids. These were the worst part for me. I always found them to be nerve wracking. They inspect your home, do a background check, take references and call your friends and family. They want financial information, medical histories, personal statements...

They ask you very detailed questions about exactly what kind of medical and behavioral problems you'll accept. Will you accept a child that's been sexually abused? What if that child acts out sexually toward other kids? Would you accept a child with down syndrome? Would you accept a child that's black, white, hispanic or biracial? Can you accept a child that has developmental delays, fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, or physical disabilities? It's important to understand your limits, and it's not reasonable to expect everyone to be able to accept every severe medical condition that a child might possibly have, but you still can't fill out these questions without feeling like a major dick. And the majority of these children do have special needs that need to be addressed. The well adjusted, misunderstood kids on the heartwarming after school specials are the type that get adopted by the foster home. Foster parents get first chance to adopt, so if a kid is easy, young, well adjusted, they'll probably get adopted by the foster family. A lot of people choose to go this route, by fostering first, but we never thought we'd be able to love a child and then let him go.

It probably doesn't sound that bad, but this entire processes can take months and during that time it's just all consuming. You don't really get to pick the kids, they have to be placed with you. You can request information about certain kids, but the caseworkers basically decide who would be a good fit with your family. To go through this process and then basically wonder whether or not you're going to get approved, and whether you'll get a placement, and how long that will take... it's difficult to deal with.
 
2011-12-08 07:27:25 PM
I didn't read through all of the comments, so forgive me if this has been said.

Every woman has a monthly cycle, and during the month there are really only a handful days that a woman is fertile and able to get pregnant. These are the days right before ovulation. Once the woman ovulates, and the egg is not fertilized, it's too late and two weeks later the unfertilized egg is let out of body with the uterine lining during a woman's period. After the period, the egg is maturing and not ready to be fertilized. So basically what I'm saying is that a woman's body gives off signs that ovulation is approaching. And if a woman tracks her periods and cycles, she can predict when she will ovulate. Knowing this, based on whether or not you wanna get knocked up, you can either have or not have sex during these fertile days. If she just gets familiar with her cycles they can refrain from sex during the fertile days and not most likely not get pregnant. And then have all the sex they want during her non fertile days.

It's not an exact science and apologies if I didn't explain it well. The point is - this is a terrible loss and she needs to realize that maybe it's time to do something about not getting pregnant. I can only imagine more pain and heartbreak if they continue this Russian roulette of baby making.
 
2011-12-08 07:27:56 PM
I didn't see this thread going this direction, but I'm proud to have created this clusterfark. Thanks for the tf gift FA.
 
2011-12-08 07:28:12 PM

obamadidcoke: DrExplosion: obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers

I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.


So you'd morn for the hypothetical loss of baby Hitler and Stalin?

/yeah, I went there
 
2011-12-08 07:29:16 PM
What does God need with an army of blithe and sheltered sycophants?
 
2011-12-08 07:30:13 PM

AISI: He looks happy in the photo. She looks tired and is just smiling because it's expected.

I am sorry for their loss, but I seriously think God is trying to tell them something. Problems with #19 resulting in a premature delivery. Miscarriage with #20. I have a feeling that if they don't stop, they are going to experience death of mom and baby with #21.

Hey, Mr. & Mrs. Dugar... God gave you brains. How about using them?


Why start now?
 
2011-12-08 07:30:47 PM
First and foremost, this is surely bad and sad and all that. I've just got to ask at what point will some one accept that they have repeatedly been warned that going through with pregnancies like this is incredibly dangerous and will very likely result in miscarriages and even death.

If some one says 'don't do this, you could very well lose an unborn child' and you say 'nah, it's cool, god wants us to', and then you lose the child... I mean, listen to your damn doctor, don't just keep shopping for crazier and crazier ones who want that sweet reality TV money.
 
2011-12-08 07:30:49 PM
Just in general I would think this a pretty sorrowful thing to happen.

Judging by the impression I have of the Duggar family I think it is especially sorrowful. They are quite a gang. I'm sure they will all pull together. Well maybe not all at the same time or same direction but I'll bet with a family like theirs you could always find a buddy to help get you through just about anything.
 
2011-12-08 07:31:19 PM

moonshadow210: I didn't read through all of the comments, so forgive me if this has been said.

Every woman has a monthly cycle, and during the month there are really only a handful days that a woman is fertile and able to get pregnant. These are the days right before ovulation. Once the woman ovulates, and the egg is not fertilized, it's too late and two weeks later the unfertilized egg is let out of body with the uterine lining during a woman's period. After the period, the egg is maturing and not ready to be fertilized. So basically what I'm saying is that a woman's body gives off signs that ovulation is approaching. And if a woman tracks her periods and cycles, she can predict when she will ovulate. Knowing this, based on whether or not you wanna get knocked up, you can either have or not have sex during these fertile days. If she just gets familiar with her cycles they can refrain from sex during the fertile days and not most likely not get pregnant. And then have all the sex they want during her non fertile days.

It's not an exact science and apologies if I didn't explain it well. The point is - this is a terrible loss and she needs to realize that maybe it's time to do something about not getting pregnant. I can only imagine more pain and heartbreak if they continue this Russian roulette of baby making.


All of this assumes that a woman has a regular cycle. Which is not always the case. Actually, for a little over 30% of women this is not the case.
 
2011-12-08 07:31:20 PM
The only sad thing about this is that she has 19 little shiats that are starting their own litters.
 
2011-12-08 07:31:55 PM

Da Bum: I didn't see this thread going this direction, but I'm proud to have created this clusterfark. Thanks for the tf gift FA.


Your most welcome.

/Best thread i've seen in a few months. You should feel proud.
 
2011-12-08 07:33:01 PM

Braindeath: My sister is a quiverful. fark every last one of them.


Curious - how did she come to accept this as a 'normal' existence?
 
2011-12-08 07:33:22 PM

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


This, plus its just plain irresponsible. She was told of the danger to the baby AND herself. She has 19 other farking kids. What an irresponsible couple of idiots. Just as bad as those kids on the Teen Mom show in the "irresponsible as all hell" department. fark the Duggers for now giving a shiat about their kids or their baby.
 
2011-12-08 07:34:33 PM
img2.timeinc.netupload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-12-08 07:36:47 PM
I was having a shiatty day and this made my week.
 
2011-12-08 07:37:08 PM

ConConHead: Braindeath: My sister is a quiverful. fark every last one of them.

Curious - how did she come to accept this as a 'normal' existence?


No más pantalones!
 
2011-12-08 07:39:28 PM

obamadidcoke:
I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.


I'm not so cruel as to rub their noses in it personally, but I'm not going to go out of my way to pretend that I care over the Internet. If someone posts a mean, but clever, joke in a thread like this, I'm going to laugh at it.

Personally, I feel like there are too many people in the world already. I don't see the failure to add another one as an especially tragic event in the grand scheme of things. I'm even less concerned when the person would most likely have been another mindless Jesus-drone.

/Seen actual children blown the fark up
//Honest enough with myself to realize and admit that they're not in my monkeysphere
 
2011-12-08 07:40:27 PM

Michael10101: Let's get our medical jargon right here. This was not a spontaneous abortion (commonly called a miscarriage). This was a preterm loss. The baby was only 4 weeks away from viability. And at least the family could feed, cloth and educated their children.


Thanks to generous donations from other bible thumpers. He sure doesn't provide enough for 19 kids alone.
 
2011-12-08 07:41:58 PM

radarlove: Jixa: FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.

Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

There are vastly more important things in this universe than humping like bunnies and pooping out babies.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2011-12-08 07:42:04 PM

Fista-Phobia: ConConHead: Braindeath: My sister is a quiverful. fark every last one of them.

Curious - how did she come to accept this as a 'normal' existence?

No más pantalones!


I see what you did there.
 
2011-12-08 07:43:53 PM

Calm Down You Spaz: I'm suspecting the sad tag is only so Subby doesn't look like an ass. cause really, everyone here's making fun of her


Should have went with the HERO tag, as in god is a hero for snuffing that one out.
 
2011-12-08 07:44:36 PM

error 303: First and foremost, this is surely bad and sad and all that. I've just got to ask at what point will some one accept that they have repeatedly been warned that going through with pregnancies like this is incredibly dangerous and will very likely result in miscarriages and even death.

If some one says 'don't do this, you could very well lose an unborn child' and you say 'nah, it's cool, god wants us to', and then you lose the child... I mean, listen to your damn doctor, don't just keep shopping for crazier and crazier ones who want that sweet reality TV money.


Really, why even go to the doctor at all if you're just going to "leave it up to God?"
 
2011-12-08 07:45:00 PM

misanthropic1: obamadidcoke: DrExplosion: obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers

I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.

So you'd morn for the hypothetical loss of baby Hitler and Stalin?

/yeah, I went there


Yes, but the adult Hitler and Stalin not so much

www.fpp.co.uk
 
2011-12-08 07:45:45 PM
God tried to tell you something when you were infertile, you twits.
 
2011-12-08 07:46:41 PM

Da Bum: I didn't see this thread going this direction, but I'm proud to have created this clusterfark. Thanks for the tf gift FA.


You should be proud. This is a glorious trainwreck and you can hold your head high for giving birth to it.

/Now if your 20th headline doesn't get greenlit...
 
2011-12-08 07:47:45 PM
I think the only way she will be able to carry another child to term is if she learns to walk on her hands.
 
2011-12-08 07:48:12 PM

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


Yeah, she's begging for a lot of problems. I feel bad for her (even though I dislike her cult, I still feel sorry for her as a person because that has to be rough), but she has nineteen children. Enough is enough. Take it easy. If your God doesn't think you did enough after nineteen kids, then tough shiat on him, you know?

That said, the Quiverfull movement is just stupid. I don't see how they're going to equalize anything since most of their kids are going to be backwards and insular as hell.
 
2011-12-08 07:50:25 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.

Yeah, she's begging for a lot of problems. I feel bad for her (even though I dislike her cult, I still feel sorry for her as a person because that has to be rough), but she has nineteen children. Enough is enough. Take it easy. If your God doesn't think you did enough after nineteen kids, then tough shiat on him, you know?

That said, the Quiverfull movement is just stupid. I don't see how they're going to equalize anything since most of their kids are going to be backwards and insular as hell.


And half the boys will end up gay.
 
2011-12-08 07:52:33 PM

ConConHead: Braindeath: My sister is a quiverful. fark every last one of them.

Curious - how did she come to accept this as a 'normal' existence?


She can't control herself or deal with her own actions. She used to be pretty normal as a kid, and then when she was sixteen or so went through a major ass Jesus thing again [probably because of her mother? who is a complete bible freak! She is turning my dad into this crap too! Note: This is my step-sister and her mother is my dad's second wife.] After that she got stricter and stricter about it until she ended up in what is basically a cult. I think the quiverful is an extension of that - that god is at the helm of her child bearing and it's out of her hands. There is no rationality there - she had five kids at one time in a half finished house that was falling apart. TBH it's hard for me to think about because she did well in school and I thought she was going to be an interesting adult, and then she just...shut off and became a complete idiot. They don't have the money to raise the children. I stopped talking to her when it became clear how crazy and deluded about reality she was. I miss my sister who was cool, I mean she never really had any common sense, but at least she was fun to be around.
 
2011-12-08 07:54:17 PM
Only 5% of women can concieve and carry that pregnancy to term at 45.

Miscarriage is very common as the ova are often defective this late. I don't know why she even went public with the pregnancy this early as miscarriages before the 4 th month in pregnancies of women of all ages are a pretty common event
 
2011-12-08 07:54:44 PM

obamadidcoke: ...I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.


The issue is if everybody behaved like these nutjobs our species would literally burn up the planet.
 
2011-12-08 07:54:53 PM

FirstNationalBastard: "Funeral for a Fetus"?

They're not gonna get Elton John to go all Princess Di on another song, are they?




That's it, I've seen enough out of you. You're green!

/You magnificent FirstNationalBastard
 
2011-12-08 07:54:58 PM
If only God would have given them some kind of warning that they shouldn't have anymore...like a close brush with a miscarriage, or doctors telling her she shouldn't get pregnant again.

What they did was spite God and dared him to make good on his threats.
 
2011-12-08 07:58:43 PM
95% yield isn't terrible by other high volume manufacturing standards.
 
2011-12-08 08:01:48 PM

Nuclear Monk: If only God would have given them some kind of warning that they shouldn't have anymore...like a close brush with a miscarriage, or doctors telling her she shouldn't get pregnant again.


She's lucky she only miscarried (and very likely because the fetus had health complications, I'd guess) and didn't go full term and die giving birth, or carry further, lose the heartbeat and have to give birth to a stillborn (and possibly die). This is far from the worst-case scenario.

When your last kid is born 4 months premature and almost dies and the doctors tell you it is a bad idea to keep trying to have more, I just really can't feel sorry for you. This was the almost inevitable conclusion to such an extremely risky pregnancy.
 
2011-12-08 08:02:42 PM

tansa: Better than the likely short bus alternative.

[www.aafp.org image 500x342]


4 percent isn't that likely
 
2011-12-08 08:04:32 PM
If you're reading this from m.fark, you might see an ad for a pregnancy kit.
 
2011-12-08 08:05:36 PM

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2011-12-08 08:06:00 PM

serpent_sky: Nuclear Monk: If only God would have given them some kind of warning that they shouldn't have anymore...like a close brush with a miscarriage, or doctors telling her she shouldn't get pregnant again.

She's lucky she only miscarried (and very likely because the fetus had health complications, I'd guess) and didn't go full term and die giving birth, or carry further, lose the heartbeat and have to give birth to a stillborn (and possibly die). This is far from the worst-case scenario.

When your last kid is born 4 months premature and almost dies and the doctors tell you it is a bad idea to keep trying to have more, I just really can't feel sorry for you. This was the almost inevitable conclusion to such an extremely risky pregnancy.



How do you know the doctor told her any such thing? Obviously though, it's riskier with age
 
2011-12-08 08:06:12 PM
sharetv.org

Darkest thread! Darkest thread!
 
2011-12-08 08:06:26 PM
Hey, everybody! What's going on in this thread?!
 
2011-12-08 08:08:23 PM
This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

That said, she is behaving in an extremely irresponsible manner. A woman trying desperately for one child, AMA, I can understand. But she has nineteen. Nineteen. And no, she is not just letting God decide - she has admitted actively trying to get pregnant. NO religion frowns on the rhythm method. (BTW even if your cycle is irregular, if you chart your temperature and monitor your cervical fluids, you can be reasonably accurate. You might have a couple of unexpected pregnancies, but not farking nineteen.)

She needs to stop now. But by attempting this one, she has now trapped herself - if she stops now, she ends on this loss. I know those of you who haven't been there will have a field day with that one, but those of us who have, know exactly what I mean. Had she stopped after 19, she would have had a frightening, but ultimately successful end to her childbearing experiences. But now she has failed (in her mind. In reality, hell - she's got a damn good success rate going) and that is a hard place to be.

Should have known this thread was a farking trainwreck by how fast the post count shot up...
 
2011-12-08 08:08:23 PM
www.bozovsky.com

/what the 17th child experienced from that black hole they call her uterus.
 
2011-12-08 08:08:23 PM

Medic Zero: radarlove: Jixa: FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.

Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

There are vastly more important things in this universe than humping like bunnies and pooping out babies.

notsureifserious.jpg


Serious enough to abstain from sexual intercourse.

I put my money where my mouth is.

/i'd put my cock where my mouth is as well, but i'm not that flexible.
 
2011-12-08 08:11:46 PM

radarlove: Serious enough to abstain from sexual intercourse.


Intentionally, or did it just work out that way?
 
2011-12-08 08:12:36 PM
Doesn't a miscarried baby go directly to heaven? So shouldn't a religious person person see a miscarriage as a one way ticket to paradise without the pain and suffering of a life on earth? Or do Christians still believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo or purgatory? Christianity evolves so much I don't know what they believe anymore.
 
2011-12-08 08:13:28 PM
I bet the kids were thinking "YES! Less competition, the hierarchy remains until someone else dies!"
While the parents were thinking "Oh well, just try again."
 
2011-12-08 08:14:26 PM
They intentionally killed a baby by choosing to have it.

They'll burn in hell for that.

And god will hate them
 
2011-12-08 08:15:35 PM
"I feel like my heart broke telling my children," says Michelle.

Am I the only one who noticed for the WHOLE ordeal, she was only heardbroken when she had to tell her kids
....but not when she heard the news herself?

Aparently child letdown is more sacred than the actual prospect of having another kid to her.

Or maybe it's the loss of book sales.
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Seriously.... No joke. They were selling an unwritten book about having 20... before they even had 20.
I know people should capitalize on skills..... but this is ridiculous, borderline shameful.
Obviously wisdom isn't their strong suit, but isn't there a parable about chickens..and hatching...and incrementing numerical digits?
 
2011-12-08 08:16:59 PM

MyNameIsMofuga: Doesn't a miscarried baby go directly to heaven? So shouldn't a religious person person see a miscarriage as a one way ticket to paradise without the pain and suffering of a life on earth? Or do Christians still believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo or purgatory? Christianity evolves so much I don't know what they believe anymore.


I thought they went to hell due to the whole "original sin" thing?
 
2011-12-08 08:17:07 PM

djdole: "I feel like my heart broke telling my children," says Michelle.


And now imagine how Jim Bob will feel when he tells your children that YOU'RE dead.

/Michelle, not you, djdole
 
2011-12-08 08:17:52 PM

Bloody William: radarlove: Serious enough to abstain from sexual intercourse.

Intentionally, or did it just work out that way?


Intentionally.

Married for going on five years now. Wife and I both agreed early on that having children would be a selfish thing to do with a lot of terrible consequences for said child.

Since the only 100% effective form of birth control is abstinence, and since we don't half ass anything, that's the path we've committed ourselves to.

We still have an incredibly solid, loving, and intimate relationship. Such things aren't limited to genital contact or spawning.
 
2011-12-08 08:17:54 PM
I can't really bring myself to be my usual snarky self about this, even though we all knew it would happen and even though they practically issued a press release about it. bottom line is that it farking blows to lose a wanted pregnancy.

however, I doubt they'll take stock of the situation and decide that this is "God" telling them it's time to put the cover on the pool. I imagine they'll "pray on it" and decide that fulfilling their duty to reproduce is more important than anything else. and they'll continue being heartbroken.
 
2011-12-08 08:18:03 PM
I'm going out on a limb and suggesting this isn't the first time she's miscarried.
 
2011-12-08 08:18:08 PM

MyNameIsMofuga: Doesn't a miscarried baby go directly to heaven? So shouldn't a religious person person see a miscarriage as a one way ticket to paradise without the pain and suffering of a life on earth? Or do Christians still believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo or purgatory? Christianity evolves so much I don't know what they believe anymore.


Depends on which flavor of xtianity. I believe most send the dead baby to a purgatory of some kind. If something like that actually really existed.
 
2011-12-08 08:18:47 PM

GreenSun: I bet the kids were thinking "YES! Less competition, the hierarchy remains until someone else dies!"
While the parents were thinking "Oh well, just try again."


Nah. Them kids compete for and hide groceries from each other.
 
2011-12-08 08:21:23 PM

Smeggy Smurf: [www.sigcis.org image 500x375]


You win the thread
 
2011-12-08 08:23:20 PM

radarlove: Bloody William: radarlove: Serious enough to abstain from sexual intercourse.

Intentionally, or did it just work out that way?

Intentionally.

Married for going on five years now. Wife and I both agreed early on that having children would be a selfish thing to do with a lot of terrible consequences for said child.

Since the only 100% effective form of birth control is abstinence, and since we don't half ass anything, that's the path we've committed ourselves to.

We still have an incredibly solid, loving, and intimate relationship. Such things aren't limited to genital contact or spawning.


And people consider having 19 kids to be abnormal. SMH.
 
2011-12-08 08:23:31 PM

The_Terminator: MyNameIsMofuga: Doesn't a miscarried baby go directly to heaven? So shouldn't a religious person person see a miscarriage as a one way ticket to paradise without the pain and suffering of a life on earth? Or do Christians still believe that unbaptized babies go to limbo or purgatory? Christianity evolves so much I don't know what they believe anymore.

I thought they went to hell due to the whole "original sin" thing?


Only Catholics really believe in/make a big deal of Original Sin.
 
2011-12-08 08:24:57 PM

namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.


No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.
 
2011-12-08 08:24:59 PM
farking quiverfull families. I'm so glad she miscarried. Maybe they'll finally learn to either stop farking or USE A CONDOM.

octopied: serpent_sky: Nuclear Monk: If only God would have given them some kind of warning that they shouldn't have anymore...like a close brush with a miscarriage, or doctors telling her she shouldn't get pregnant again.

She's lucky she only miscarried (and very likely because the fetus had health complications, I'd guess) and didn't go full term and die giving birth, or carry further, lose the heartbeat and have to give birth to a stillborn (and possibly die). This is far from the worst-case scenario.

When your last kid is born 4 months premature and almost dies and the doctors tell you it is a bad idea to keep trying to have more, I just really can't feel sorry for you. This was the almost inevitable conclusion to such an extremely risky pregnancy.


How do you know the doctor told her any such thing? Obviously though, it's riskier with age


It was pretty well publicized on TLC. I remember that when it made the news.
There's also the problem of blood type incompatibility. The more kids you have, the more likely it will cause complications. She's a goddamn idiot if she thinks that after her 19th pregnancy ended 4 MONTHS PREMATURE that further babies are a good idea. Especially when you're in your late 40s. So fark her. She and her husband are fundie morons. If it takes a miscarriage to teach her to keep her legs closed, then so be it. Unfortunately, it might take a few stillborns before she figures it out. Rednecks don't tend to learn.

I think she's like Octomon where she's addicted to having kids and just likes the attention.
 
2011-12-08 08:25:29 PM

triplenickel03: Marky, Ricky, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, Tommy, Joey, Robby, Johnny, and Brian.


She's breeding a new Ramones? What about CJ?
 
2011-12-08 08:26:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?


this happened to my mom. kid no 13 was difficult and the doctor said the next baby might kill her. her priest told her it was god's will and she had to do her wifely duty and "service" her husband, so sure enough, she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died. Sure enough. Baby 14 nearly killed her. The family doctor took pity on her and yanked her uterus out without asking.
///the oldest sister was a neurotic mess for years.
///all the siblings left the Catholic church. it's pretty evenly split between atheists and bat-shiat insane born-again fanatics. Makes for some extreme family reunions.
 
2011-12-08 08:27:00 PM

obamadidcoke: DrExplosion: obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers

I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.


Really? You're likening a miscarriage to a terrorist flying a plane into a building and killing 3000 people? Really?

Yeah, no way.
 
2011-12-08 08:27:12 PM

Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.


There's a third group. Folks like me who understand they're dealing with a tragedy, yet also understand they'll never see this thread on Fark, and so we feel it's okay to ridicule them. Basically, "what the fark did you THINK would happen????"
 
2011-12-08 08:28:02 PM

Praise Cheesus: fresnelmusic: Hows that ice queen thing working out for ya?

It's actually worked out well, thank you. Two months after losing the baby, my husband walked out on me because he wanted to find a woman that could do her wifely duty and make lots of babies. Twenty-five years later, his only children are the ones I bore him... the ones he turned his back on 19 years ago.

My grandmother told me that dwelling on the past serves nothing, unless you're a history major.


I'm glad he showed you the appropriate sympathy for your loss.

I think I love you too.
 
2011-12-08 08:29:40 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.

There's a third group. Folks like me who understand they're dealing with a tragedy, yet also understand they'll never see this thread on Fark, and so we feel it's okay to ridicule them. Basically, "what the fark did you THINK would happen????"


No, I expected it, and came with my troll on. I'm going to go drink some heavily spiked eggnog and watch the Steelers treat the Browns like Rapey Ben treating drunk coeds in dive bar bathroom.
 
2011-12-08 08:29:57 PM

Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.


No, this thread is divided into three groups: those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss, and a group of sanctimonious blowhards that think because something means something to them, no one can understand it or mock it ..
 
2011-12-08 08:30:53 PM

Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.


I guess I'm one from column A, and one from column B. I've lost two, one lived an hour before she died.
And I laugh at their stupidity.
 
2011-12-08 08:30:55 PM

Nabb1: Mike Chewbacca: Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.

There's a third group. Folks like me who understand they're dealing with a tragedy, yet also understand they'll never see this thread on Fark, and so we feel it's okay to ridicule them. Basically, "what the fark did you THINK would happen????"

No, I expected it, and came with my troll on. I'm going to go drink some heavily spiked eggnog and watch the Steelers treat the Browns like Rapey Ben treating drunk coeds in dive bar bathroom.


Heh, fair enough! Enjoy!
 
2011-12-08 08:31:29 PM

Nabb1: No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their lossthose who think she gets what she deserves and you.

 
2011-12-08 08:31:33 PM
Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?
 
2011-12-08 08:32:08 PM
The Duggers live in the same town I do. I'm no fan of their lifestyle by a long shot and I have my own opinions about the risks of pregnancies at Mrs. Dugger's age. However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity. I'm not speaking exclusively about the FARK community, but my very own community. While no part of me can truly justify their choices, I will find it in my heart to remember that they are human, like myself and that they have a whole family who are hurting today. It may not seem like a big deal when they are not in your *monkeysphere*, but I'm standing by my sense of decency and am going to have a little sympathy for a family who is suffering, and I'll also acknowledge the little life that was lost.
 
2011-12-08 08:32:31 PM

darkvstar: FirstNationalBastard: Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?

this happened to my mom. kid no 13 was difficult and the doctor said the next baby might kill her. her priest told her it was god's will and she had to do her wifely duty and "service" her husband, so sure enough, she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died. Sure enough. Baby 14 nearly killed her. The family doctor took pity on her and yanked her uterus out without asking.
///the oldest sister was a neurotic mess for years.
///all the siblings left the Catholic church. it's pretty evenly split between atheists and bat-shiat insane born-again fanatics. Makes for some extreme family reunions.


In the Priests defense, he was absolutely correct. A man is made to serve the wife, just as a woman is made to serve the man(and occasionally some men and women are made to service their same sex partner... but that is a completely different topic). That is what being in a marriage relationship is about.

On the other hand, i would have hoped your family sued that doctor for performing a medical procedure without consent.
 
2011-12-08 08:32:46 PM

zabadu: Nabb1: namegoeshere: This thread is divided into two groups of farkers - those who have experienced pregnancy loss, and those who haven't. Because until you do, you just don't know. My heart goes out to her, because I know.

No, this thread is divided into two groups - those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, and then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss.

No, this thread is divided into three groups: those who understand the loss of a wanted child is a terrible thing regardless of what one thinks of the Duggars' religious views and how they chose to live their lives, then a bunch of emotionally and intellectually stunted shiatheads who think it's funny to make fun of their loss, and a group of sanctimonious blowhards that think because something means something to them, no one can understand it or mock it ..


No, this thread is divided into four groups: those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, those who enjoy scolding those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, sanctimonious blowhards who can't sit still for five goddamned seconds without making some "humorous" comment disparaging either side, and those who enjoy making lists.
 
2011-12-08 08:32:58 PM

darkvstar: she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died.


That's farked up and bordering on evil.

"Guess what? Because I'm a fundie nutjob, I might leave you without a mother AND make you a de facto mommy to boot!"
 
2011-12-08 08:32:58 PM
Farkers hate babies.
 
2011-12-08 08:35:53 PM

Twin 40s: No, this thread is divided into four groups: those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, those who enjoy scolding those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, sanctimonious blowhards who can't sit still for five goddamned seconds without making some "humorous" comment disparaging either side, and those who enjoy making lists.


No, this thread is divided into five groups: those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, those who enjoy scolding those who enjoy mocking the emotional scarring of a human being, sanctimonious blowhards who can't sit still for five goddamned seconds without making some "humorous" comment disparaging either side, those who enjoy making lists, those with an almost fanatical devotion to the pope, and our nice red uniforms- oh, damn.

This thread is divided into SIX groups...
 
2011-12-08 08:36:47 PM

mralphabet: Depends on which flavor of xtianity. I believe most send the dead baby to a purgatory of some kind. If something like that actually really existed.


So there is some alternate plane of reality out there full of all the babies Jesus aborted? Just floating around in space somewhere? What kind of drugs are these people on?
 
2011-12-08 08:37:07 PM

Lissa is my name: However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity.


Disgusting is when you try to outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you go on TV because you outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you make a living off of outbreeding everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.

Michelle Duggar was an innocent child at one time.
 
2011-12-08 08:37:11 PM

darkvstar: her priest told her it was god's will and she had to do her wifely duty and "service" her husband, so sure enough, she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died. Sure enough. Baby 14 nearly killed her.


What the fark? How the hell do you value someone so little that you would say such a thing? What a complete and utter scumbag.
 
2011-12-08 08:37:13 PM
In reading more about what has happened, she really hasn't miscarried, and will now need a late term abortion to remove the dead fetus.
Good thing it's not illegal.......
 
2011-12-08 08:37:48 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.


Immaculate Termination
 
2011-12-08 08:38:45 PM

hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?


20.
 
2011-12-08 08:41:11 PM

Lissa is my name: The Duggers live in the same town I do. I'm no fan of their lifestyle by a long shot and I have my own opinions about the risks of pregnancies at Mrs. Dugger's age. However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity. I'm not speaking exclusively about the FARK community, but my very own community. While no part of me can truly justify their choices, I will find it in my heart to remember that they are human, like myself and that they have a whole family who are hurting today. It may not seem like a big deal when they are not in your *monkeysphere*, but I'm standing by my sense of decency and am going to have a little sympathy for a family who is suffering, and I'll also acknowledge the little life that was lost.


I personally said that I was sad for the family. Then the jerk came in talking about how awful we all are and told us to die in a fire. We're defending ourselves.

I personally also don't like being told I don't know what it's like, or how it feels, or how sad it is. Because YOU DON'T KNOW anything about my life.

Using the example above, I had tremendous sympathy for the people in the towers. For a couple who know they are risking mother and baby to conceive a child in a reckless manner so they can show God how much they love him? Not so much.
 
2011-12-08 08:41:31 PM

Bloody William: darkvstar: she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died.

That's farked up and bordering on evil.

"Guess what? Because I'm a fundie nutjob, I might leave you without a mother AND make you a de facto mommy to boot!"


www.theringlord.org
 
2011-12-08 08:41:42 PM
Heh. If Momma here wants to be all biblical, she can let Jim Boy take a servant as a mistress to have more children.
 
2011-12-08 08:42:23 PM

LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination


Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.
 
2011-12-08 08:43:15 PM
When I learned she was pregnant again I did some research into the "quiver full" movement and found all these crazy Dominionist housewife blogs writing about things like should women, and if women vote, should they vote for who they want or should they vote for who their husband votes for. Y'all should check that sh*t out, it's crazy.
 
2011-12-08 08:44:04 PM

Bloody William: darkvstar: she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died.

That's farked up and bordering on evil.

"Guess what? Because I'm a fundie nutjob, I might leave you without a mother AND make you a de facto mommy to boot!"


That's the sad thing - if she dies, the household will have lost it's baby factory, but nothing else. The older children do everything but gestate.
 
2011-12-08 08:44:27 PM
Good. They were running out of "J" names anyway. Pretty soon they were going to have to make up names like black people. This is what happens when you make a living out of having too many damn kids. I won't say I don't feel bad for them, but I will say I couldn't care less. It'd be different if it were their first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh kid. Bunch of freakish weirdos. It's a sad testament to American society that we make not only celebrities out of these failures and disgraces to humanity, but that they get any press at all. I'm sick of people that display abhorrent, mentally unstable, and disgraceful behavior getting rewarded for it.
 
2011-12-08 08:45:10 PM

cretinbob: In reading more about what has happened, she really hasn't miscarried, and will now need a late term abortion to remove the dead fetus.
Good thing it's not illegal.......


I kinda wanna say...let it rot. Is that bad?
No, but seriously.... Ripley's would pay out the nose for the resulting teratoma.

"TERATOMA with dead fetus inside, formed in the leathery womb of a 45 year old religious nut with NINETEEN children."
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!
 
2011-12-08 08:45:27 PM

Mike Chewbacca: hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?

20.


Now, tomorrow I want you to take that LPT to Anchorhead and have it's logs erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.
 
2011-12-08 08:47:46 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Lissa is my name: However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity.

Disgusting is when you try to outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you go on TV because you outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you make a living off of outbreeding everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.

Michelle Duggar was an innocent child at one time.


I agree with those points. I hope you are not using them to justify the malice against the family at this time, however. Because if you are, then that is a weak argument. If you are simply comparing her to the rest of the haters, well then carry on with your bad self.
 
2011-12-08 08:47:47 PM
Give them an island, see it turn into a nation.
 
2011-12-08 08:48:00 PM

gadian: Heh. If Momma here wants to be all biblical, she can let Jim Boy take a servant as a mistress to have more children.


tvphotogalleries.com
 
2011-12-08 08:49:00 PM

Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?

20.

Now, tomorrow I want you to take that LPT to Anchorhead and have it's logs erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.


Okay, so I know the reference, I just don't understand why. Because mine was a really bad joke about how 20 is too many (kids).
 
2011-12-08 08:50:41 PM

Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.


Not to burst your bubble.... but CONCEPTION never refers to BIRTH.
Conception refers to IMPREGNATION.

You may want to rely on a biology textbook for accurate knowledge instead of the bible.
 
2011-12-08 08:53:01 PM

Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.


I knew that, and that still didn't stop me.

/What do you think you could do?
 
2011-12-08 08:54:27 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?

20.

Now, tomorrow I want you to take that LPT to Anchorhead and have it's logs erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.

Okay, so I know the reference, I just don't understand why. Because mine was a really bad joke about how 20 is too many (kids).


I got nothin. It was a word association response. That's the best way I can describe it.
 
2011-12-08 08:56:46 PM

2 Replies: Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.

Not to burst your bubble.... but CONCEPTION never refers to BIRTH.
Conception refers to IMPREGNATION.

You may want to rely on a biology textbook for accurate knowledge instead of the bible.


He's right about the phrase being a reference to Mary's conception rather than Jesus, though.
 
2011-12-08 08:56:52 PM

Lissa is my name: Guidette Frankentits: Lissa is my name: However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity.

Disgusting is when you try to outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you go on TV because you outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you make a living off of outbreeding everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.

Michelle Duggar was an innocent child at one time.

I agree with those points. I hope you are not using them to justify the malice against the family at this time, however. Because if you are, then that is a weak argument. If you are simply comparing her to the rest of the haters, well then carry on with your bad self.


malice
[mal-is] Example Sentences Origin
mal·ice
[mal-is] Show IPA
noun
1.desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy.
2.Law . evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others.

Yeah, none of us are doing that.
Mocking someone for their decision and its outcome? Yeah.
 
2011-12-08 08:57:16 PM

2 Replies: Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.

Not to burst your bubble.... but CONCEPTION never refers to BIRTH.
Conception refers to IMPREGNATION.

You may want to rely on a biology textbook for accurate knowledge instead of the bible.


Despite the use of "birth" when I should have used "conception," the essence of my statement is still correct. Ya farking grammar Nazi!

/I'm an atheist, jacknapkin
 
2011-12-08 08:58:27 PM
Twentieth kid??

Sounds to me like these folks have a similar type of OCD problem to those crazy old nutjobs with fifty cats running around inside their trailer.

Hmmmm, why does the fact that the guy's name is "Jim Bob" not surprise me?
 
2011-12-08 08:58:42 PM

Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?

20.

Now, tomorrow I want you to take that LPT to Anchorhead and have it's logs erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.

Okay, so I know the reference, I just don't understand why. Because mine was a really bad joke about how 20 is too many (kids).

I got nothin. It was a word association response. That's the best way I can describe it.


Sure, I can understand that. I don't know WHY you had a word association, but that's cool.
 
2011-12-08 08:59:41 PM
That's a shame. But not a surprise. She had major, major problems carrying her last child to term, and if she doesn't stop trying to have kids, she's putting herself and every future child at terrible risk for no reason.

I hate the Quiverfull movement. Everything about it rubs me the wrong way. But I still don't like hearing about bad things happening to people.
 
2011-12-08 09:00:48 PM

2 Replies: cretinbob: In reading more about what has happened, she really hasn't miscarried, and will now need a late term abortion to remove the dead fetus.
Good thing it's not illegal.......

I kinda wanna say...let it rot. Is that bad?
No, but seriously.... Ripley's would pay out the nose for the resulting teratoma.

"TERATOMA with dead fetus inside, formed in the leathery womb of a 45 year old religious nut with NINETEEN children."
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!


The really disturbing thing is...I wouldn't be one single bit shocked to see her refuse the abortion and attempt to carry it to the point they can induce labor. :P

Sadly, fetal death in utero isn't unknown among Quiverfull women (often because of age or because their reproductive systems get wrecked after the fourteenth or so kid in as many years) and to a one they're virulently anti-abortion--in fact, quite a lot of them actively try to avoid hospital births or intervention of OB/GYNs, preferring to have kids at home with a doula or midwife...

With the Gothard cult in particular (which, as I've noted above, the Duggar family IS part of by their own admission) there IS a heavy emphasis on avoiding the hospital for births if at all possible, and are also pretty much "no abortions even to save the life of a mother in the event of a failed pregnancy that is likely to take two lives instead of just that of the dead fetus".

In short--if the Duggar family is like most folks heavily involved in Quiverfull (and ESPECIALLY the Gothard stuff), not only is this a sad case of death in utero, but it is very likely going to be the event that pretty much caps the family at nineteen kids; depending on how anti-abortion they are, it's potentially something that could kill Mrs. Duggar if the family chooses to ignore medical advice.

(A not-so-fun fact: A good chunk of the third-trimester abortions that Dr. George Tiller was pilloried for (and ultimately assassinated for in cold blood as he served as deacon of his church by the dominionist terrorists in the Army of God) were in fact inductions of labor for people who had pregnancies which were VERY much wanted but where the expected child had died in utero--the "abortions" were basically performed to save the life of the mother and to ensure she would be able to have children in future, rather than having the fetus calcify or rot inside her.

(And yes, I've known of Quiverfull women who basically have ended up sterile--either through fetal death which went into infections necessitating a hysterectomy, or Quiverfull women who'd had multiple C-sections, been advised not to attempt vaginal birth, tried it anyways, and eventually had uterine ruptures as a result necessitating emergency hysterectomies. Yes, it's one of the reasons I show very little tolerance for this Quiverfull stuff. Yes--sadly--it's also not uncommon for Quiverfull families to disregard medical advice to not have further children after an at-risk pregnancy, because they feel they have a divine mandate to "be fruitful and multiply" even at the risk of the mother's life (as some others have noted, there's a bit of a martyrhood complex in regards to mothers who die in childbirth in Quiverfull circles), and I did grow up in a group where at least some Gothardite material was promoted--hence why I do have a legit concern there. :P)
 
2011-12-08 09:01:04 PM
Figured we need one of these here:
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-08 09:02:09 PM
Sad to hear.
 
2011-12-08 09:02:38 PM
Last kid was premature and will have lifelong issues...this one didn't even make it to the starting gate.

I'd call that a gentle hint that maybe...just maybe... it's time to close the factory.

BEFORE Michelles' health is compromised too far.

Seriously disagree with Quiverfull Clowncar philosphy...but it ain't my job to be regulating how many kids people have.
 
2011-12-08 09:04:45 PM
I'm not a real fan of the Duggars or their particular habit of pumping out kids like a bunch of rabbits. But I'm not about to celebrate a stillborn pregnancy, wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Farkers carry on, and abide by your own morals.

/ yes, I know you have no morals.
// If my spelling sucks, it's because I'm drunk.
 
2011-12-08 09:07:38 PM

Gleeman: Figured we need one of these here:
[i.imgur.com image 360x350]


Not that this has anything to do with the thread (or anything else, for that matter), but...is that a Fiero?
 
2011-12-08 09:12:47 PM
These people are religious people. Ask them this simple question - How many children did God have?

/Waiting for the inevitable "We're all God's children
//Feels sorry for the sheep of the world
 
2011-12-08 09:16:47 PM

Remarkable_Anus: These people are religious people. Ask them this simple question - How many children did God have?

/Waiting for the inevitable "We're all God's children
//Feels sorry for the sheep of the world


But if you say that to religious types, they'll just disregard you and say that you have no right to quote the Bible or mentions God's name, since you're clearly a heathen or something.

/'heaven' and 'heathen' are but a couple of letters removed
//then again, so is 'rape' and 'crepe'...
///in the words of Yahtzee Croshaw, "No, I don't know what I'm on about, go away!"
 
2011-12-08 09:17:18 PM

zabadu: Lissa is my name: Guidette Frankentits: Lissa is my name: However, finding amusement in the loss of an innocent child is disgusting, and the cruelty aimed at a grieving family at this time is beyond humanity.

Disgusting is when you try to outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you go on TV because you outbreed everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.
Disgusting is when you make a living off of outbreeding everyone else with disregard for the rest of humanity.

Michelle Duggar was an innocent child at one time.

I agree with those points. I hope you are not using them to justify the malice against the family at this time, however. Because if you are, then that is a weak argument. If you are simply comparing her to the rest of the haters, well then carry on with your bad self.

malice
[mal-is] Example Sentences Origin
mal·ice
[mal-is] Show IPA
noun
1.desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy.
2.Law . evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others.

Yeah, none of us are doing that.
Mocking someone for their decision and its outcome? Yeah.


I believe my previous post clearly explained that I was not referring to the FARK community exclusively, but to my OWN community. I live in it and walk among the people who do have a desire to inflict suffering on this family. Don't misunderstand me.
 
2011-12-08 09:17:24 PM
Feel sorry for Mrs. Duggar? Fark that.

I would have felt sorry for #20 had (s)he been born. Imagine being born into that family.
 
2011-12-08 09:17:40 PM

Remarkable_Anus: These people are religious people. Ask them this simple question - How many children did God have?

/Waiting for the inevitable "We're all God's children
//Feels sorry for the sheep of the world


When it comes to gods and children some nastiness can ensue. Witness:

upload.wikimedia.org

/bloody hotlinked
 
2011-12-08 09:18:31 PM

Praise Cheesus: fresnelmusic: Hows that ice queen thing working out for ya?

It's actually worked out well, thank you. Two months after losing the baby, my husband walked out on me because he wanted to find a woman that could do her wifely duty and make lots of babies. Twenty-five years later, his only children are the ones I bore him... the ones he turned his back on 19 years ago.

My grandmother told me that dwelling on the past serves nothing, unless you're a history major.


All I gotta say is

you go, girl.
 
2011-12-08 09:20:21 PM

Zik-Zak: Remarkable_Anus: These people are religious people. Ask them this simple question - How many children did God have?

/Waiting for the inevitable "We're all God's children
//Feels sorry for the sheep of the world

But if you say that to religious types, they'll just disregard you and say that you have no right to quote the Bible or mentions God's name, since you're clearly a heathen or something.

/'heaven' and 'heathen' are but a couple of letters removed
//then again, so is 'rape' and 'crepe'...


...and "Rape Suzette" would just be wrong.
 
2011-12-08 09:20:24 PM

fresnelmusic: How did the priest almost kill a woman? Did he impregnate her? Did the priest hold a gun to her head? NO.

Did he consult her as to what is stated in the Bible? Yeah. That is his job. Don't want that advice, don't go to a priest.


Doesn't that prove the Bible wrong?

She consulted a priest. She followed what she was told was in the Bible. She almost died, lost the child, and had to have a hysterectomy because of the actual biological fact of what happened to her body following "god's will."

How can the Bible be said to be right if what she was told to do almost killed her and resulted in no child?
 
2011-12-08 09:20:26 PM

Ed Grubermann: darkvstar: her priest told her it was god's will and she had to do her wifely duty and "service" her husband, so sure enough, she got pregnant with baby no. 14 and started preparing my oldest sister to take over a surrogate mom just in case she died. Sure enough. Baby 14 nearly killed her.

What the fark? How the hell do you value someone so little that you would say such a thing? What a complete and utter scumbag.


priests are their own class of evil. even the best of them are misguided charlatans. I would say hell was too good for them if I even believed in that shiat
 
2011-12-08 09:21:12 PM

Bloody William: fresnelmusic: How did the priest almost kill a woman? Did he impregnate her? Did the priest hold a gun to her head? NO.

Did he consult her as to what is stated in the Bible? Yeah. That is his job. Don't want that advice, don't go to a priest.

Doesn't that prove the Bible wrong?

She consulted a priest. She followed what she was told was in the Bible. She almost died, lost the child, and had to have a hysterectomy because of the actual biological fact of what happened to her body following "god's will."

How can the Bible be said to be right if what she was told to do almost killed her and resulted in no child?


Because sometimes God is a dick.
 
2011-12-08 09:21:47 PM

Genevieve Marie: That's a shame. But not a surprise. She had major, major problems carrying her last child to term, and if she doesn't stop trying to have kids, she's putting herself and every future child at terrible risk for no reason.

I hate the Quiverfull movement. Everything about it rubs me the wrong way. But I still don't like hearing about bad things happening to people.


Yeah, it's all the more upsetting that she's pretty much risking everything to be a human vending machine. It's sad that she's living the life that so many before her fought to free us of.

Earlier I posted about some crazy quiverfull housewife blogs i ran across asking if women should vote in elections (at any level, they even discussed church elections) or run for office (again, both political and church offices). The consensus seemed to be that if women vote, they should vote for the candidates her husband voted for. And no, they don't think women should run for office. It's outside god's intended role for women. I bet you're shocked at that totally unexpected bit of info.
 
2011-12-08 09:21:59 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: Fista-Phobia: Mike Chewbacca: hammettman: Over 500 posts on this shiat, it's like farkers know what it's all about, but just want to add one more farking post, to top the last post, I mean, please, how many is too many?

20.

Now, tomorrow I want you to take that LPT to Anchorhead and have it's logs erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.

Okay, so I know the reference, I just don't understand why. Because mine was a really bad joke about how 20 is too many (kids).

I got nothin. It was a word association response. That's the best way I can describe it.

Sure, I can understand that. I don't know WHY you had a word association, but that's cool.


I saw "over 500 posts", your screen name, and thought of previous last post threads.

*thinks of 'scraping out the last bit of Miracle Whip' commercials*
 
2011-12-08 09:23:25 PM

Zik-Zak: Remarkable_Anus: These people are religious people. Ask them this simple question - How many children did God have?

/Waiting for the inevitable "We're all God's children
//Feels sorry for the sheep of the world

But if you say that to religious types, they'll just disregard you and say that you have no right to quote the Bible or mentions God's name, since you're clearly a heathen or something.

/'heaven' and 'heathen' are but a couple of letters removed
//then again, so is 'rape' and 'crepe'...
///in the words of Yahtzee Croshaw, "No, I don't know what I'm on about, go away!"


This....

I've been told that many times even though I grew up in the church. I stopped going at a young age thankfully. I believe in God but I don't trust religion. Religion is a disease.
 
2011-12-08 09:24:00 PM

Fista-Phobia:

*thinks of 'scraping out the last bit of Miracle Whip' commercials*


Perfect imagery for the subject of the thread!
 
2011-12-08 09:25:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Fista-Phobia:

*thinks of 'scraping out the last bit of Miracle Whip' commercials*

Perfect imagery for the subject of the thread!


Eff Santorum!
 
2011-12-08 09:26:38 PM

jagarr: maybe now they will finally, finally cease blastin' babies out of that cavernous sin pit as fast as they farkin can. shiats probably starting to look like a sarlacc.


You KNOW if she got into porn now, it'd sell.
 
2011-12-08 09:26:54 PM

Mike Chewbacca: How can the Bible be said to be right if what she was told to do almost killed her and resulted in no child?

Because sometimes God is a dick.



HEY~! you get it!
 
2011-12-08 09:27:48 PM

ekdikeo4: jagarr: maybe now they will finally, finally cease blastin' babies out of that cavernous sin pit as fast as they farkin can. shiats probably starting to look like a sarlacc.

You KNOW if she got into porn now, it'd sell.


Octomom/Duggar/Kate Gosselin/Chyna orgy?

Three Sarlaacs and a Clenis?
 
2011-12-08 09:28:14 PM
Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.
 
2011-12-08 09:30:06 PM

fresnelmusic: Mike Chewbacca: How can the Bible be said to be right if what she was told to do almost killed her and resulted in no child?

Because sometimes God is a dick.


HEY~! you get it!


And my mom wonders why I'm an atheist.
 
2011-12-08 09:30:56 PM

EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.


+1
 
2011-12-08 09:31:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ekdikeo4: jagarr: maybe now they will finally, finally cease blastin' babies out of that cavernous sin pit as fast as they farkin can. shiats probably starting to look like a sarlacc.

You KNOW if she got into porn now, it'd sell.

Octomom/Duggar/Kate Gosselin/Chyna orgy?

Three Sarlaacs and a Clenis?


MIND BLEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH!
 
2011-12-08 09:31:46 PM
I didn't read this thread but if every fetus is a human with rights wouldn't what this woman did by attempting to carry the child be torture? I mean it can't feel particularly pleasant to be all forming and then having it fail part of the way through because momma shoulda quit while she was ahead. It'd be kind of like having a kid and starving it or repeatedly poking at the soft spot on their noggins or applying a dry cleaning bag to it's face intermittently until it slowly dies over the course of several months.

At that point it's more humane to abort... or even better... take precautions to NOT conceive a doomed fail babby in the first place.

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE FETUSES!!!
 
2011-12-08 09:32:58 PM

zabadu: obamadidcoke: DrExplosion: obamadidcoke:
So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God

Ah, my apologies. I misjudged your comment and assumed you were trying to say that it's only God's place to judge the value of a life. If you had been one of those people, I can only assume that my comment would have had you foaming at the mouth so hard you'd barely even be able to herp any derp in response.

/mea culpa
//Doesn't have any real sympathy for the miscarriages of total strangers

I have empathy for these people as people, but I don't know them and their tragedy doesn't really affect me. I just think we should maybe reflect on the feelings of others before we so loudly mock and condemn these people.

I would hope that the loss of human life, any life would be of concern to our species.

/I didn't know anyone in the World Trade Center, but I was a little saddened by their loss.

Really? You're likening a miscarriage to a terrorist flying a plane into a building and killing 3000 people? Really?

Yeah, no way.


death is death, man
 
2011-12-08 09:34:08 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan. B


I just choked on my own tongue.
Nice one.
 
2011-12-08 09:35:31 PM

albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.


If the mother dies, I am sure they can just have one of the daughters pick where she left off. It's not like they don't have them raising the children already.
 
2011-12-08 09:36:35 PM

fresnelmusic: Bloody William: How can the Bible be said to be right if what she was told to do almost killed her and resulted in no child?

Yes. Absolutely.


.... yes what?

powerful katrinka: Well you do sound like an asshole.


Maybe I am. I certainly don't understand it. I feel sympathy, but it seems like morbid clinging to what could have been instead of moving on.
 
2011-12-08 09:37:31 PM

gadian: Heh. If Momma here wants to be all biblical, she can let Jim Boy take a servant as a mistress to have more children.


She would also patriotic and walking in Sally Hemings' footsteps
 
2011-12-08 09:39:16 PM

brainiac-dumdum: gadian: Heh. If Momma here wants to be all biblical, she can let Jim Boy take a servant as a mistress to have more children.

She would also patriotic and walking in Sally Hemings' footsteps


The highest form?
 
2011-12-08 09:42:56 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Once, it was a clown car. Now, it's a hearse.


Dude. That's just...whoa. Dude.
 
2011-12-08 09:43:10 PM

Zik-Zak: brainiac-dumdum: gadian: Heh. If Momma here wants to be all biblical, she can let Jim Boy take a servant as a mistress to have more children.

She would also patriotic and walking in Sally Hemings' footsteps

The highest form?


Pricipal sayof accidentally the whole thing.
 
2011-12-08 09:43:12 PM
Jail her! She's a murderer! A fetus is a person! Sure that failed in Mississippi. But it could have passed and they surely will try and try again.
 
2011-12-08 09:43:41 PM
FTFA----"She was taking oral birth control"

My favorite kind.
 
2011-12-08 09:44:44 PM

EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.


If I remember correctly Jim Bob is/was independently wealthy before this turned into a giant clown car.
 
2011-12-08 09:45:06 PM
Hopefully, her babymaker is now damaged beyond repair.
 
2011-12-08 09:45:44 PM

brainiac-dumdum: Yeah, it's all the more upsetting that she's pretty much risking everything to be a human vending machine. It's sad that she's living the life that so many before her fought to free us of.

Earlier I posted about some crazy quiverfull housewife blogs i ran across asking if women should vote in elections (at any level, they even discussed church elections) or run for office (again, both political and church offices). The consensus seemed to be that if women vote, they should vote for the candidates her husband voted for. And no, they don't think women should run for office. It's outside god's intended role for women. I bet you're shocked at that totally unexpected bit of info.


Absolutely and totally shocked.

Oh wait, nope. Somehow, I'm not shocked that a movement centered around denying women all reproductive agency is totally fine with denying them agency in every other aspect of their lives too. There's a woman who wrote a blog about her escape from the Quiverfull movement, "No Longer Quivering."

It was fairly horrifying. I think that's the thing I really, really can't stand about the Duggars. They promote that platform under the warm and fuzzy guise of loving family togetherness, and it creeps me out.
 
2011-12-08 09:46:53 PM

fresnelmusic: moonshadow210: I didn't read through all of the comments, so forgive me if this has been said.

Every woman has a monthly cycle, and during the month there are really only a handful days that a woman is fertile and able to get pregnant. These are the days right before ovulation. Once the woman ovulates, and the egg is not fertilized, it's too late and two weeks later the unfertilized egg is let out of body with the uterine lining during a woman's period. After the period, the egg is maturing and not ready to be fertilized. So basically what I'm saying is that a woman's body gives off signs that ovulation is approaching. And if a woman tracks her periods and cycles, she can predict when she will ovulate. Knowing this, based on whether or not you wanna get knocked up, you can either have or not have sex during these fertile days. If she just gets familiar with her cycles they can refrain from sex during the fertile days and not most likely not get pregnant. And then have all the sex they want during her non fertile days.

It's not an exact science and apologies if I didn't explain it well. The point is - this is a terrible loss and she needs to realize that maybe it's time to do something about not getting pregnant. I can only imagine more pain and heartbreak if they continue this Russian roulette of baby making.

All of this assumes that a woman has a regular cycle. Which is not always the case. Actually, for a little over 30% of women this is not the case.


I realize this, which is why I suggested she start keeping track of HER cycle and see if there is a pattern to perhaps use a more natural "birth control". Like I said, it's not an exact science but it might be something that could work for them.
 
2011-12-08 09:48:07 PM
Jim Bob's only with her cuz she produces. No telling how much pussy on the side.
Michelle's only reason for living is popping out babies she
doesn't take care of.

Which one of them commits suicide/kills the other for Jesus, first?
 
2011-12-08 09:49:39 PM
oh yeah, and subby here's another 'you are going to hell, dude'.
 
2011-12-08 09:52:26 PM

ekdikeo4: EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.

If I remember correctly Jim Bob is/was independently wealthy before this turned into a giant clown car.


They pay for their large family through a series of investments they started making when they first started spawning in addition to their TLC Show 17 and Counting, product endorsements, and book deals
From the Arkansas Democrat:

The Duggars had a turning point in their lives 11 years ago when Jim Bob attended a meeting that discussed financial freedom through living a debt-free life. Michelle eventually attended the meeting, too, and now she and Jim Bob conduct the seminars out of their home.

But, according to another article in the Democrat:

Jim Bob Duggar started buying and selling cars while in high school. Wanting a business that he and his wife could operate together, he decided in 1985 to sell cars full time. But for the first year, he had to keep his job as a stocker and checker at the now-defunct Consumers Food and Drug in Fayetteville. Michelle Duggar ran the Springdale dealership while her husband was stocking groceries, and when Precision Imports began netting more money than Jim Bob Duggar was making at Consumers, he quit his job. Michelle Duggar continued to help run the business, answering phones and even towing cars for a wrecker service the couple started on the side to bring in more money during the winter. As if they didn't have enough irons in the fire, Jim Bob Duggar made extra money by investing in real estate.

They promote the Financial Freedom Seminars of a fellow Christian named Jim Sammons, who promotes debt-free living through the bible.
 
2011-12-08 09:52:34 PM
This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Well god sure knocked this one out of the park, didn't he!
 
2011-12-08 09:55:29 PM
And God has spoken.
 
2011-12-08 09:55:50 PM
Farkin' duh. The baby is better off dead - just look at the health problems the last one was born with.
 
2011-12-08 09:55:55 PM

Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.


So, yeah, according to this God guy, because of something our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great Grandfather did, we're all giant assholes that do nothing but fark shiat up. Except for this one girl that came around, otherwise normally, who he decided he would then magically impregnate with a human baby to hold the spirit of his son, who is actually him. Because she would give birth to the body that held the spirit of God's son (and remember, the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are all the same being, so, she's actually giving birth to God). So, anyway, he became his own father, and pre-absolved her of being the giant asshole that all the rest of us are, before she was born. Good work, God.

And then all your followers came and put you up to a cross, nailed you to it, and let you bleed out until that body you'd worked so hard to get died. You sure did show those people who was boss!
 
2011-12-08 09:56:41 PM
I found a great image of a pissed off uterus, but thought it might be inappropriate to post. Wasn't worth an external link.
 
2011-12-08 09:57:57 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, the man has a point. One sperm hits an unfilled cavity, and BAM! Mouth-babies.


Great, so when it comes to birth control, my wife needs the pill and crowns!?
 
2011-12-08 10:02:33 PM

Zik-Zak: FirstNationalBastard: Hey, the man has a point. One sperm hits an unfilled cavity, and BAM! Mouth-babies.

Great, so when it comes to birth control, my wife needs the pill and crowns!?


Unfortunately, armpit sex is the only true babby-free method.

Just make sure you have some Right Guard gel on hand to avoid chafing.
 
2011-12-08 10:03:51 PM

octopied: tansa: Better than the likely short bus alternative.

[www.aafp.org image 500x342]

4 percent isn't that likely


I have a game for you. There are 25 cups in front of you. You have to drink one cup. One cup has an incurable, lethal poison in it. Still want to play?

4 percent is just for a live birth to a downs syndrome child. Most fetuses with downs do not come to term. Plus there are increased chances for a myriad of other conditions.

Now, Change the game to 1 in 15. Still want to play?
 
2011-12-08 10:05:51 PM

zabadu: ekdikeo4: EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.

If I remember correctly Jim Bob is/was independently wealthy before this turned into a giant clown car.

They pay for their large family through a series of investments they started making when they first started spawning in addition to their TLC Show 17 and Counting, product endorsements, and book deals
From the Arkansas Democrat:

The Duggars had a turning point in their lives 11 years ago when Jim Bob attended a meeting that discussed financial freedom through living a debt-free life. Michelle eventually attended the meeting, too, and now she and Jim Bob conduct the seminars out of their home.

But, according to another article in the Democrat:

Jim Bob Duggar started buying and selling cars while in high school. Wanting a business that he and his wife could operate together, he decided in 1985 to sell cars full time. But for the first year, he had to keep his job as a stocker and checker at the now-defunct Consumers Food and Drug in Fayetteville. Michelle Duggar ran the Springdale dealership while her husband was stocking groceries, and when Precision Imports began netting more money than Jim Bob Duggar was making at Consumers, he quit his job. Michelle Duggar continued to help run the business, answering phones and even towing cars for a wrecker service the couple started on the side to bring in more money during the winter. As if they didn't have enough irons in the fire, Jim Bob Duggar made extra money by investing in real estate.

They promote the Financial Freedom Seminars of a fellow Christian named Jim Sammons, who promotes debt-free living through the bible.


So, they were working their asses off until they had enough money to sink it into investments to ease that, and then suddenly the world came knocking to get them a TV show? Seems honestly pretty legit, to me.

I have no love whatsoever for these people, but I don't find any hate towards them, either.
 
2011-12-08 10:06:43 PM

zabadu: ekdikeo4: EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.

If I remember correctly Jim Bob is/was independently wealthy before this turned into a giant clown car.

They pay for their large family through a series of investments they started making when they first started spawning in addition to their TLC Show 17 and Counting, product endorsements, and book deals
From the Arkansas Democrat:

The Duggars had a turning point in their lives 11 years ago when Jim Bob attended a meeting that discussed financial freedom through living a debt-free life. Michelle eventually attended the meeting, too, and now she and Jim Bob conduct the seminars out of their home.

But, according to another article in the Democrat:

Jim Bob Duggar started buying and selling cars while in high school. Wanting a business that he and his wife could operate together, he decided in 1985 to sell cars full time. But for the first year, he had to keep his job as a stocker and checker at the now-defunct Consumers Food and Drug in Fayetteville. Michelle Duggar ran the Springdale dealership while her husband was stocking groceries, and when Precision Imports began netting more money than Jim Bob Duggar was making at Consumers, he quit his job. Michelle Duggar continued to help run the business, answering phones and even towing cars for a wrecker service the couple started on the side to bring in more money during the winter. As if they didn't have enough irons in the fire, Jim Bob Duggar made extra money by investing in real estate.

They promote the Financial Freedom Seminars of a fellow Christian named Jim Sammons, who promotes debt-free living through the bible.


Not noted in that article is the little fact Bill Sammons is on the board of directors for one of Bill Gothard's known frontgroups and his so-called "financial freedom course" was co-authored by Bill Gothard--it can be legitimately stated that Sammons is one of a number of "Number Two's" to Gothard himself and his "Bible-based cult". He's also the main party in charge of Gothard's "homeschool" curriculum--which is SO educationally insufficient that it manages to make most dominionist "homeschool" correspondence-school curricula look good in comparison (and most of those are considered so bad that the University of California state system won't admit people only educated using THOSE programs unless they attend remedial education courses in science and history!).

This is also the same program that literally led to one of the more infamous murder-suicides in recent history (Matthew Murray, who pretty much snapped and shot up New Life Church in Colorado Springs before being shot and killed; many people on a walkaway forum I was on at the time were begging him to get some form of professional mental help, but he refused--believing the only mental health facilities accessible to him would be tied to the Gothardite cult or to Joel's Army groups who would try to re-recruit him).

So what you posted is useful info, if even more retch-inducing (not only are they submitting their family and their KIDS to the Gothardite cult--a major way in which they're making money is recruiting others into that cult as well).
 
2011-12-08 10:06:48 PM
Silly coont needs to close up shop.

All you supporters, do you know what Quiverfull is and why they do it? They are literally trying to implement Idiocracy

/
 
2011-12-08 10:06:55 PM
A woman who intentionally gets pregnant at 45 doesn't give a shiate about the health of the baby. The odds are just bad at that age.
 
2011-12-08 10:12:53 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Not noted in that article is the little fact Bill Sammons is on the board of directors for one of Bill Gothard's known frontgroups and his so-called "financial freedom course" was co-authored by Bill Gothard--it can be legitimately stated that Sammons is one of a number of "Number Two's" to Gothard himself and his "Bible-based cult". He's also the main party in charge of Gothard's "homeschool" curriculum--which is SO educationally insufficient that it manages to make most dominionist "homeschool" correspondence-school curricula look good in comparison (and most of those are considered so bad that the University of California state system won't admit people only educated using THOSE programs unless they attend remedial education courses in science and history!).


Ugh. My distaste for these people continues to grow. I think it's absolutely foul that they've been given an excellent mainstream platform to promote these beliefs.
 
2011-12-08 10:14:20 PM
thatswhattsaid.files.wordpress.com


If this was my kid, I'd never risk another pregnancy.
 
2011-12-08 10:16:42 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Can somebody with time and skill photoshop a damaged clown car and caption it "that'll buff out"? I'd give up my 1st class ticket to hell and sit in coach to see that


Because nobody else has so far:

i196.photobucket.com

/meh, too drunk to 'shop
 
2011-12-08 10:24:42 PM

EmmaLou: Children are a gift, and those who are lucky enough to have them should be grateful (even when they get on your nerves!) But, these people on TV treat their kids as meal tickets. They're not doted on and loved. They're seen as a dollar sign and (when they're old enough) free baby sitters for the younger siblings so mom and dad can continue to have more baby dollar signs. It's sad that they've continued to try to get pregnant even after they've been told it's dangerous. Unfortunately, it's the child that's hurt (look at #19.) Mom and Dad don't really have to live with the consequences. WTF do they care if their child has special needs?

The Duggars aren't on welfare and probably don't get handouts...anymore. They get cash for being on tv, and I'm sure they're not giving it all away. They're sure as hell not using it to educate their kids. All of them get GEDs.


But after 18 years of breeding, the older ones care for the younger ones. COMPOUNDING INTEREST!
 
2011-12-08 10:32:01 PM

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


I agree. My husband says "A tragedy is when a childless couple has a miscarriage." I disagree with him - It's a tragedy no matter how many you've had if you wanted another. I really do feel for the Duggars in this instance - all of them.

And yes I believe the mother was warned that this was a danger. But... If it goes right 17 or 18 times, I do understand why you might think the doctor was full of it.
 
2011-12-08 10:33:17 PM

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.


I lost a child in an automobile accident. She was 14 months old. The reason that she and her father were killed was because he was a reckless and aggressive driver who thought that the rules applied to everyone else but him. Whenever there's a traffic/driving thread here on Fark almost everyone who posts says that they have the right to drive aggressively, and anyone who says otherwise can go fark themselves. I manage to read those threads and take them at face value, rather than getting all butthurt and teary-eyed.
 
2011-12-08 10:34:37 PM
Using religion to hide behind your ego should be punishable by miscarr....oops
 
2011-12-08 10:36:42 PM
I'm only a few weeks behind her and while I would hate for anything to happen to my pregnancy and feel bad for those who miscarry, I couldn't care less about this breeder losing hers. Aside from raising a family of Stepford wives and refusing to allow her kids an education; they are covertly glorifying membership in their breeder cult and the extreme social and emotional child abuse that comes with it. I say, let 'em crash!

/I wonder if this most recent pregnancy would have been the gay one? You know they're gonna have at least one.
 
2011-12-08 10:41:28 PM

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


I've gotta say... That was one hell of a headline. Beautifully done, even if it was... you know... incredibly cruel. Still, good job? :)
 
2011-12-08 10:41:29 PM
Impossible for me to shed anything resembling a tear for these farking people.

Any tragedy is theirs and theirs alone. They should keep it to their farking selves.

/they deserve a quiver-full of arrows between the farking eyes
 
2011-12-08 10:46:34 PM

tansa: octopied: tansa: Better than the likely short bus alternative.

[www.aafp.org image 500x342]

4 percent isn't that likely

I have a game for you. There are 25 cups in front of you. You have to drink one cup. One cup has an incurable, lethal poison in it. Still want to play?

4 percent is just for a live birth to a downs syndrome child. Most fetuses with downs do not come to term. Plus there are increased chances for a myriad of other conditions.

Now, Change the game to 1 in 15. Still want to play?



That's a terrible analogy. There's a huge difference between birthing a Downs syndrome or otherly handicapped/disabled child and a death sentence. I'm 38, not married, childless. Were I to end up in my early 40's married I would not use protection as I would like a child.
 
2011-12-08 10:48:17 PM

FarkingAussie: You sound like some sort of frothing deranged loony.. Enjoy your TF


Thanks for the free ride
 
2011-12-08 10:49:23 PM
I've added so many people to favorites in this thread.
 
2011-12-08 10:50:44 PM

Leashlaw: triplenickel03: Marky, Ricky, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, Tommy, Joey, Robby, Johnny, and Brian.

She's breeding a new Ramones? What about CJ?


Maybe the kkk took him away.


And now, before I press the button on this express elevator check out this trivia about the women with the records for different types of motherhood.

Link (new window)


Mothers Day Trivia: Youngest Mother
The youngest mother whose history is authenticated is Lina Medina, who delivered a 6½-pound boy by cesarean section in Lima, Peru in 1939, at an age of 5 years and 7 months. The child was raised as her brother and only discovered that Lina was his mother when he was 10.

Mothers Day Trivia: Oldest Mother
On April 9, 2003, Satyabhama Mahapatra, a 65-year-old retired schoolteacher in India, became the world's oldest mother when she gave birth to a baby boy. Satyabhama and her husband had been married 50 years, but this is their first child. The baby was conceived through artificial insemination using eggs from the woman's 26-year-old niece, Veenarani Mahapatra, and the sperm of Veenarani's husband.

Mothers Day Trivia: Most Surviving Children
Bobbie McCaughey is the mother who holds the record for the most surviving children from a single birth. She gave birth to the first set of surviving septuplets - four boys and three girls -on November 19, 1997, at the University Hospital, Iowa, US. Conceived by in vitro fertilization, the babies were delivered after 31 weeks by cesarean in the space of 16 minutes. The babies are named Kenneth, Nathaniel, Brandon, Joel, Kelsey, Natalie and Alexis.

Mothers Day Trivia: Shortest Interval Between Two Children
Jayne Bleackley is the mother who holds the record for the shortest interval between two children born in separate confinements. She gave birth to Joseph Robert on September 3, 1999, and Annie Jessica Joyce on March 30, 2000. The babies were born 208 days apart.

Mothers Day Trivia: Longest Interval Between Two Children
Elizabeth Ann Buttle is the mother who holds the record for the longest interval between the birth of two children. She gave birth to Belinda on May 19,1956 and Joseph on November 20, 1997. The babies were born 41 years 185 days apart. The mother was 60 years old when her son Joseph was born.

Mothers Day Trivia: Highest Recorded Number of Children
The highest officially recorded number of children born to one mother is 69, to the first wife of Feodor Vassilyev (1707-1782) of Shuya, Russia. Between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets, and four sets of quadruplets. 67 of them survived infancy.

Mothers Day Trivia: Highest Number of Children in Modern Times
The modern world record for giving birth is held by Leontina Albina from San Antonio, Chile. Leontina claims to be the mother of 64 children, of which only 55 of them are documented. She is listed in the 1999 Guinness World Records but dropped from later editions.
 
2011-12-08 10:50:48 PM
Truly funny... when I loaded the page, the post count on this thread was 666.

And... about damn time. Maybe now this stupid coont will realize it's time to either get that shiat cut out or stop farking.
 
2011-12-08 10:50:54 PM
It is truly the season of giving. sooo many good things "Duggar! Rawr!" "My dead baby, look at it!", "Stupid God!" "Ha-Ha!" "There are many biolgoical nuances that play into this situation...", "HOARDERS!" "My grief is better than your grief." "Psycho". We just need cops and circumcision to make it perfect. Do you think the Duggars circumcise their boys, keeping with the covenant and all?
 
2011-12-08 10:51:56 PM

Chinchillazilla: I've added so many people to favorites in this thread.


As have I.
 
2011-12-08 10:52:28 PM

radarlove: I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.


Do you think the fetus suffered that much? Really?

I find it much more sad that thousands of people have children they don't want. I've always found it rather bizarro-backwards all the hatred and bigotry directed at the Duggers.
 
2011-12-08 10:53:40 PM

Gleeman: birth defects.


a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net


/don't thank me, thank whoever posted it
//usually I screencap the names with them, a la
///a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
..sometimes I a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-08 10:53:56 PM
One less severely disabled child to be damned to a life of suffering and pain all in the name of religion.

RIP little fetus.

DIAF Duggar.
 
2011-12-08 10:54:01 PM

Jixa: Leashlaw: triplenickel03: Marky, Ricky, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, Tommy, Joey, Robby, Johnny, and Brian.

She's breeding a new Ramones? What about CJ?

Maybe the kkk took him away.


And now, before I press the button on this express elevator check out this trivia about the women with the records for different types of motherhood.

Link (new window)


Mothers Day Trivia: Youngest Mother
The youngest mother whose history is authenticated is Lina Medina, who delivered a 6½-pound boy by cesarean section in Lima, Peru in 1939, at an age of 5 years and 7 months. The child was raised as her brother and only discovered that Lina was his mother when he was 10.

Mothers Day Trivia: Oldest Mother
On April 9, 2003, Satyabhama Mahapatra, a 65-year-old retired schoolteacher in India, became the world's oldest mother when she gave birth to a baby boy. Satyabhama and her husband had been married 50 years, but this is their first child. The baby was conceived through artificial insemination using eggs from the woman's 26-year-old niece, Veenarani Mahapatra, and the sperm of Veenarani's husband.

Mothers Day Trivia: Most Surviving Children
Bobbie McCaughey is the mother who holds the record for the most surviving children from a single birth. She gave birth to the first set of surviving septuplets - four boys and three girls -on November 19, 1997, at the University Hospital, Iowa, US. Conceived by in vitro fertilization, the babies were delivered after 31 weeks by cesarean in the space of 16 minutes. The babies are named Kenneth, Nathaniel, Brandon, Joel, Kelsey, Natalie and Alexis.

Mothers Day Trivia: Shortest Interval Between Two Children
Jayne Bleackley is the mother who holds the record for the shortest interval between two children born in separate confinements. She gave birth to Joseph Robert on September 3, 1999, and Annie Jessica Joyce on March 30, 2000. The babies were born 208 days apart.

Mothers Day Trivia: Longest Interval Between Two Children
Elizabeth Ann Buttle is the mother who holds the record for the longest interval between the birth of two children. She gave birth to Belinda on May 19,1956 and Joseph on November 20, 1997. The babies were born 41 years 185 days apart. The mother was 60 years old when her son Joseph was born.

Mothers Day Trivia: Highest Recorded Number of Children
The highest officially recorded number of children born to one mother is 69, to the first wife of Feodor Vassilyev (1707-1782) of Shuya, Russia. Between 1725 and 1765, in a total of 27 confinements, she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets, and four sets of quadruplets. 67 of them survived infancy.

Mothers Day Trivia: Highest Number of Children in Modern Times
The modern world record for giving birth is held by Leontina Albina from San Antonio, Chile. Leontina claims to be the mother of 64 children, of which only 55 of them are documented. She is listed in the 1999 Guinness World Records but dropped from later editions.


That link is outdated. Octomom now has the most surviving children from one birth.
 
2011-12-08 10:54:13 PM
/hot linked because i don't care enough to re host
 
2011-12-08 10:58:38 PM
Geeeee I guess from this thread that Pro-Choice doesn't mean the right to choose how many children you have. Even if you support all of them and ask for nothing. So i guess its only to choose not to have kids. I guess there is a varying grade to this belief.

hmmm interesting

/Im sorry she lost her baby.
 
2011-12-08 10:59:06 PM
Absolutely no ATM John! God. What the hell has come over you? Quit foolin' around and get to it. Amen.
 
2011-12-08 11:01:48 PM

zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?


learn how babys develop. They are complete after 6 weeks in the womb
 
2011-12-08 11:07:09 PM

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Geeeee I guess from this thread that Pro-Choice doesn't mean the right to choose how many children you have. Even if you support all of them and ask for nothing. So i guess its only to choose not to have kids. I guess there is a varying grade to this belief.

hmmm interesting

/Im sorry she lost her baby.


Someone pulls that line in every single Duggar thread. Note: no one is advocating that we place an actual legal restriction on how many children anyone can have. People are just saying that maybe having as many kids as possible, even after you're 45 and you've almost died in labor once already is a really, really bad idea.

And dislike of the Duggars is generally not really about how many children they have, but WHY they have that many children.
 
2011-12-08 11:08:37 PM

octopied: That link is outdated. Octomom now has the most surviving children from one birth.


I noticed that after I posted it, of course. Wasn't really paying that much attention to most of the other entries, actually.
 
2011-12-08 11:10:00 PM

Genevieve Marie: dislike of the Duggars is generally not really about how many children they have, but WHY they have that many children.


So what? Does what they believe effect you in some manner? You have your beliefs, they have theirs.
 
2011-12-08 11:10:10 PM
From People magazine - She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

Another J name that could be boy or girl...hmmmm

Jelly Duggar has a nice ring to it.
 
2011-12-08 11:15:14 PM

Uranus Megahertz: From People magazine - She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

Another J name that could be boy or girl...hmmmm

Jelly Duggar has a nice ring to it.


i8.photobucket.com

Mmmmm,
 
2011-12-08 11:16:45 PM
Even her uterus is telling to cut it out.
 
2011-12-08 11:19:25 PM
The horse-faced dude radiates "closet case". Either that or it's the stress.
 
2011-12-08 11:20:35 PM

fresnelmusic: Genevieve Marie: dislike of the Duggars is generally not really about how many children they have, but WHY they have that many children.

So what? Does what they believe effect you in some manner? You have your beliefs, they have theirs.


Actually, yes. The type of beliefs they promote have had a pretty profound effect on American politics, specifically on access to things like birth control and abortion, things that effect me and women like me all the time.

In fact, Obama made a decision this week regarding emergency birth control that will affect a great many girls for a long time to come, because he couldn't deal with the political fallout he'd face because of all the people who believe in this anti-sex, anti-woman bullshiat. I'm still angry about that.

So forgive me if I don't react well to seeing those beliefs presented in a more palatable fashion, in a "We're all one big happy family that eats tater tot casserole and if you'd stop using birth control, you could have this too" crapfest that makes some fairly indefensible ideas suddenly seem like they're not all that far out of the mainstream.

I don't wish these people ill. But their beliefs are harmful, and any reproductive choice advocate should be willing to call that out.
 
2011-12-08 11:21:35 PM

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

learn how babys develop. They are complete after 6 weeks in the womb


They are "complete" when they can live outside the womb.

Oh look, it's anti-abortion people time!
 
2011-12-08 11:22:02 PM

fresnelmusic: Does what they believe effect you in some manner? You have your beliefs, they have theirs.


Dear Timmy,

Sorry but your claim for a this life-saving surgery you need was denied. We needed to use the money to pay the NICU and maternity ward after the Duggars used our services 19 times.

Love,

Your insurance company

P.S. Oh and your premium is going up. biatch.
 
2011-12-08 11:23:14 PM
So what are the odds on how long it takes for there to be a story about the eldest daughter being knocked up by daddy once mother is confirmed as sterile?
 
2011-12-08 11:25:09 PM

Mike Chewbacca: LoneWolf343: Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.

Immaculate Termination

Ahem, the term "Immaculate Conception" refers to Mary's birth, not Jesus's, and states that Mary was born without the stain of Original Sin because of course Jesus would never have been born to a woman who wasn't completely free from sin. So, yeah, now you know what Immaculate Conception actually means, and not what 90% of people just THINK it means.


I could have sworn it referred to the sheets not being wet and sticky when Jesus was conceived.
 
2011-12-08 11:25:18 PM
FINALLY

NOW STOP TREATING YOUR VAGINA LIKE A GOD POWERED CLOWN CAR
 
2011-12-08 11:25:26 PM

Genevieve Marie: fresnelmusic: Genevieve Marie: dislike of the Duggars is generally not really about how many children they have, but WHY they have that many children.

So what? Does what they believe effect you in some manner? You have your beliefs, they have theirs.

Actually, yes. The type of beliefs they promote have had a pretty profound effect on American politics, specifically on access to things like birth control and abortion, things that effect me and women like me all the time.

In fact, Obama made a decision this week regarding emergency birth control that will affect a great many girls for a long time to come, because he couldn't deal with the political fallout he'd face because of all the people who believe in this anti-sex, anti-woman bullshiat. I'm still angry about that.

So forgive me if I don't react well to seeing those beliefs presented in a more palatable fashion, in a "We're all one big happy family that eats tater tot casserole and if you'd stop using birth control, you could have this too" crapfest that makes some fairly indefensible ideas suddenly seem like they're not all that far out of the mainstream.

I don't wish these people ill. But their beliefs are harmful, and any reproductive choice advocate should be willing to call that out.


i8.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-08 11:25:27 PM

PJRart: [thatswhattsaid.files.wordpress.com image 400x418]


If this was my kid, I'd never risk another pregnancy.


Goddamn, if that was my kid. I'd be jealous of his guns.
 
2011-12-08 11:26:31 PM

fresnelmusic: Genevieve Marie: dislike of the Duggars is generally not really about how many children they have, but WHY they have that many children.

So what? Does what they believe effect you in some manner? You have your beliefs, they have theirs.


Considering the fact that their beliefs are causing them to breed rampantly and consume vast amounts of resources in addition to the fact that they are breeding an unholy army whose intent is to wipe out all non-believers?

Yes, their beliefs directly effect me and all of those around me.
 
2011-12-08 11:27:06 PM
I grew up in a church that preached quiverfull so I'm going to put my own past pain from the damage inflicted on me by that group and hold my snark. I'm instead focusing on what's it like to miscarry two babies and then have one be born a micro-preemie who didn't survive past a week. Michelle needs to count her blessings, she got 19 kids, I didn't get any. When you have been raised that being a wife and mother is the only purpose in life - inability to have living children cuts you right to the bone. I hope she gets pasts this and focuses on raising on her children instead of sinking into a depression. I also hope, although I know she will try again, that she takes this as a sign from God to stop. Losing babies is one thing, it is very painful to the parents. Losing the mother, will cause pain to all 19 of her children, she needs to stop while she is ahead. The youngest children need a mother and the oldest will need help when their own children come. This time she lost the baby, next time she might lose her life.

Also to everyone bring up adoption by these groups, I was adopted. Just because I'm adopted doesn't mean that being raised that way didn't fark me up in the head. Also adoption does not mean the adopted parents will not be abuse - God knows both of mine were and they used their religion to justify all of it.
 
2011-12-08 11:27:17 PM

Chinchillazilla: I've added so many people to favorites in this thread.


I think this is the first thread I've ever noticed people getting badges for, that I've ever actually been in. woo.

*adds you back*
 
2011-12-08 11:35:34 PM

Genevieve Marie: In fact, Obama made a decision this week regarding emergency birth control that will affect a great many girls for a long time to come, because he couldn't deal with the political fallout he'd face because of all the people who believe in this anti-sex, anti-woman bullshiat. I'm still angry about that.


I'm curious about this -- I see a lot of people railing on this, but it doesn't change the fact that the items in question will remain to be publicly available to anyone, over the counter, of age 17 and up. Anyone under age 17 needs to get a doctor to check them out first. Doesn't sound like status quo is a terrible situation.
 
2011-12-08 11:37:14 PM
It's too bad she's not as concerned with being a mother as she is cranking out as many children as possible.
 
2011-12-08 11:38:13 PM

sufferpuppet: Subby you magnificent bastard. Top score!


Well said!

Best laugh I've had all day!
 
2011-12-08 11:40:24 PM

ekdikeo4: Anyone under age 17 needs to get a doctor to check them out first. Doesn't sound like status quo is a terrible situation.


What bothers me about it is that we can trust 16 year olds with cars, which kill people. But we can't let them have emergency contraception that would prevent them from ruining their young lives.

WTF
 
2011-12-08 11:42:30 PM
Not to late for this right.

rlv.zcache.com
 
2011-12-08 11:42:44 PM

laid back w/bud light: I have one daughter age 9. I would eat a bullet with any more than that. Best friend has 4 kids and his life is hell. Multiply that times five and you're obviously breeding a cult.


I went with the twins option. You have no idea how fun it is to watch them interact then intervene and watch the fur fly. One would try to take advantage of the other all the time. A bit of logic tossed in, stir gently and sit back.

/dad has a kind of mean streak
 
2011-12-08 11:44:43 PM
This thread has blown my mind.

I've never laughed so hard and cringed simultaneously as I have here.

Humor is a helluva strong coping mechanism.

But it's not for everyone, thus the extreme reactions in this thread.
 
2011-12-08 11:46:00 PM
Are they farking for another yet? I put $10 on next kid before the end of 2012.
 
2011-12-08 11:47:24 PM

ekdikeo4: I'm curious about this -- I see a lot of people railing on this, but it doesn't change the fact that the items in question will remain to be publicly available to anyone, over the counter, of age 17 and up. Anyone under age 17 needs to get a doctor to check them out first. Doesn't sound like status quo is a terrible situation.


The thing is, people under 17 need it, and this is aimed at making sure they can't get it without parental approval, even though they've already had sex and they're already in a situation where they need emergency birth control. And there are absolutely zero studies that support any real reasons for this. Every scientist that's worked on it has come to the conclusion that TYLENOL has more potential for harm than emergency birth control.

It's purely about making sure that parents have control over their teenagers' sex lives... and the thing is, that's an illusion. People have sex when they're ready to have sex, and with holding access to birth control doesn't prevent that. It just makes the consequences dire. This could prevent unwanted pregnancies for the people that have the worst time with them.

Plus, you need to take emergency birth control within a certain time frame, and right now, that means you have to find an open pharmacy to get it. If this rule were repealed, it could be stocked in any gas station or grocery store that sells other family planning stuff, like condoms. It would help access for older women too.

But that's getting off topic a bit.
 
2011-12-08 11:48:27 PM
The only thing worse than the insensitive a-holes in this thread are the overly sensitive a-holes in this thread.

=)
 
2011-12-08 11:50:45 PM
And?

Also, you want privacy during these trying times? Fark your privacy, maybe you shouldn't air you and your ridiculous amount of children on TV then expect privacy.
 
2011-12-08 11:52:17 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan. B


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh, you have no idea how hard I laughed at this. Thank you sir, I needed that!
 
2011-12-08 11:53:23 PM

special20: If corporations are people, and People is a corporation.... (head assplode)


And corporations can own other corporations. Sounds like slavery to me...
 
2011-12-08 11:54:07 PM

radarlove: The only thing worse than the insensitive a-holes in this thread are the overly sensitive a-holes in this thread.

=)


Overly sensitive is a relative term isn't it?

Or are you one of those internet hardasses who thought Ole Yellar and during Brians Song were comedies?

At least I am honest. Unfortunately, everyone expects snark and poseur antics that when someone comes in and actually speaks in reality, they think its trolling.
 
2011-12-08 11:54:17 PM

Genevieve Marie: The type of beliefs they promote have had a pretty profound effect on American politics, specifically on access to things like birth control and abortion, things that effect me and women like me all the time.


Because of a very few families have lots of children they can care for, it has a profound effect on abortion and birth control policy. Heh heh. Excuse me while I consider this argument complete horseshiat. Any evidence of that whatsoever?

Do you hold people who have children they can't care for equally responsible? Welfare moms. Unemployed teen moms?
 
2011-12-08 11:54:27 PM

Praise Cheesus: fresnelmusic: Hows that ice queen thing working out for ya?

It's actually worked out well, thank you. Two months after losing the baby, my husband walked out on me because he wanted to find a woman that could do her wifely duty and make lots of babies. Twenty-five years later, his only children are the ones I bore him... the ones he turned his back on 19 years ago.

My grandmother told me that dwelling on the past serves nothing, unless you're a history major.


>>>>> I know the feeling when you realize that you can't give them what they want, and that's the reason they stopped loving you. I did leave him, but he had emotionally left me long before I walked out that door. It was mostly for his benefit - what tradition values Christian man wants to be tied to a woman that can't bear his children. I
 
2011-12-08 11:56:07 PM

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: Smeggy Smurf: Can somebody with time and skill photoshop a damaged clown car and caption it "that'll buff out"? I'd give up my 1st class ticket to hell and sit in coach to see that

Because nobody else has so far:

[i196.photobucket.com image 500x332]

/meh, too drunk to 'shop


Awesome.
 
2011-12-08 11:56:26 PM

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


Yeah, that they have 19 too many already

Jesus . . .
 
2011-12-08 11:57:10 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Because of a very few families have lots of children they can care for, it has a profound effect on abortion and birth control policy. Heh heh. Excuse me while I consider this argument complete horseshiat. Any evidence of that whatsoever?


Like I said, it's not the fact that they have lots of children that's a problem, it's the WHY. They promote constantly the idea that birth control is going against the word of God, and that all life is sacred and precious. Would you argue that those ideas have had a profound effect on American politics and abortion and birth control policy?
 
2011-12-08 11:59:01 PM

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

learn how babys develop. They are complete after 6 weeks in the womb


not according to pro-abortionists who use the 'just a lump of tissue' argument.

/pro-abortion
//but i don't kid myself about what abortion is
 
2011-12-08 11:59:05 PM

Somaticasual: At least we don't have to hear about Octo[name redacted to reduce fame chances]


www.technovelgy.com??
 
2011-12-09 12:02:02 AM

CynicCLE: Karma Curmudgeon: Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan. B

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh, you have no idea how hard I laughed at this. Thank you sir, I needed that!


There's a whole cargo plane full of passengers to hell tonight, yes sir.
 
2011-12-09 12:03:22 AM
I can't imagine the pain of losing a child. Grief and pain cause people to react in ways not everyone can understand, maybe not even the people themselves. How people cope with the loss of a baby is their own business, and I hope they can find peace with it some day.

A few years ago I met a woman whose 20-year-old son ODed. She had his ashes put into several small vials and put on necklaces for the family members. I thought it was creepy at the time, but I've come to believe that maybe it's a healthy way to deal with loss, to keep a part of the person near your heart forever. Who am I to say?
 
2011-12-09 12:04:56 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-12-09 12:06:27 AM