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2011-12-08 04:46:47 PM  
God is trying to tell you something, coont.
 
2011-12-08 04:48:43 PM  
*snert*

+1
 
2011-12-08 04:50:10 PM  
First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.
 
2011-12-08 04:50:31 PM  
+1
 
2011-12-08 04:55:50 PM  
God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.
 
2011-12-08 04:57:20 PM  
Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?
 
2011-12-08 04:58:29 PM  
 
2011-12-08 05:04:49 PM  
Ok, even I think that's too far.
 
2011-12-08 05:05:49 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Sad?

Didn't Doctors warn them something like this could happen after pregnancy #19 was difficult, but they just figured "what does a Doctor know? Jesus will fix everything!"?


Well it's clear god hates them as he killed their baby.

Welcome to the message you were waiting for.
 
2011-12-08 05:06:13 PM  
These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?
 
2011-12-08 05:06:58 PM  
I don't know whether to feel sad.
 
2011-12-08 05:16:34 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


THESE
 
2011-12-08 05:17:02 PM  
This is not sad.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:03 PM  

inkblot: I don't know whether to feel sad.


Sad is for people unable to have kids, not someone already has 19 and is almost certain to drop a waterhead because she's 45 years old.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:16 PM  
Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.
 
2011-12-08 05:17:41 PM  
Nice headline, would LOL again.
 
2011-12-08 05:18:13 PM  
No worries, check the oil and gun that engine for another lap.
 
2011-12-08 05:18:36 PM  
What the fark is the matter with these people?
 
2011-12-08 05:18:41 PM  
At least we don't have to hear about Octo[name redacted to reduce fame chances]
 
2011-12-08 05:18:43 PM  
The stars of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting previously weathered a medical ordeal with their youngest daughter, Josie, who was born in December 2009

FTFY TLC
 
2011-12-08 05:18:56 PM  
according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?
 
2011-12-08 05:19:27 PM  
Murderer.
 
2011-12-08 05:19:35 PM  
So technically an abortion occurred
 
2011-12-08 05:19:59 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


....darn you for making me laugh at that...
 
2011-12-08 05:20:25 PM  
I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.
 
2011-12-08 05:20:39 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


God's a murderer!
 
2011-12-08 05:20:53 PM  
It's all a part of God's plan.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:18 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


An abortion performed by God himself.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:22 PM  
I don't take joy in this, But Goddamit, everything wears out if you overuse it.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:27 PM  
I have one daughter age 9. I would eat a bullet with any more than that. Best friend has 4 kids and his life is hell. Multiply that times five and you're obviously breeding a cult.
 
2011-12-08 05:21:49 PM  
Am I the only one that thinks Jim Bob looks like Dr. Zaius a little? Jim Bob...
 
2011-12-08 05:21:55 PM  
maybe now they will finally, finally cease blastin' babies out of that cavernous sin pit as fast as they farkin can. shiats probably starting to look like a sarlacc.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


Seconded.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:40 PM  
If a miscarriage started the crazy, will a miscarriage end the crazy?
 
2011-12-08 05:22:55 PM  

Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan.

B
 
2011-12-08 05:22:56 PM  

bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids


It's a movement, and we've discussed Quiverfull a number of times before on Fark.
 
2011-12-08 05:22:58 PM  
Mercy subby, Mercy! I feel dirty for laughing so hard.
 
2011-12-08 05:23:16 PM  
As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.
 
2011-12-08 05:23:38 PM  

tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?


Not unless she was doing something suspect with a wire hanger. In this case GOD is the murderer. The great eye in the sky is going all old testament again. About time, I say - let the smiting commence!
 
2011-12-08 05:23:57 PM  

tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?


No, it makes God a murderer. Unless it was a Job-deal where Satan was allowed to kill the baby to test their faith, in which Satan's the murderer and God's the accomplice. Jesus was the bag-man and the Holy Spirit drove the getaway car. Alternately it could be a Super-blessing 'cause the kid would have been a non-believer and brought shame upon his mother's hair and his father's head and thus God stopped the baby from poisoning the Duggerwell. Then again it may be the child was SO pure that God called it home pre-birth to sing special Hymns and Praises along with the seraphim and cherabim and Living Creatures and terrifying wheel-in-the-sky beasts from Ezekial.

It's a holy mystery, really.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:03 PM  

radarlove: I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.


This.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:08 PM  
You know... I just can't gloat about something like this but maybe they'll take this as a sign from "God" that the clown car is ready to be put up on blocks.
 
2011-12-08 05:24:20 PM  
Her p*ssy was heard saying "Enough...ough...ough...ough!"
 
2011-12-08 05:24:24 PM  
HOTY
 
2011-12-08 05:24:53 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Awesome.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:03 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


I agree on all counts. I have a friend who miscarried in the second trimester. It was devestating for her.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:45 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Third, stop it already.


This.

// I mean really, she's 45 and has 19 of them already.
 
2011-12-08 05:25:47 PM  

gilgigamesh: Sad is for people unable to have kids, not someone already has 19 and is almost certain to drop a waterhead because she's 45 years old.


I laughed, and I feel terrible.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:22 PM  
While I disagree and generally loathe these people, I feel bad for them here.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:44 PM  
I'm not saying it was aliens...
 
2011-12-08 05:26:48 PM  

jthan9: Her p*ssy was heard saying "Enough...ough...ough...ough!"


Doubt it could say anything at this point. Most people who've lost muscle control in their mouths merely end up drooling on themselves.
 
2011-12-08 05:26:51 PM  
Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.
 
2011-12-08 05:27:03 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred


Appropriately, my browser aborted trying to read this article.

/what a mess
 
2011-12-08 05:27:39 PM  
The actual event? Tragic.

Some of the comments in this thread? Hilarious. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find my handbasket.
 
2011-12-08 05:27:41 PM  
This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.

+1 subs
 
2011-12-08 05:28:14 PM  

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


You're glad? You find joy in this? Nice. Real nice.
 
2011-12-08 05:28:21 PM  
The giant clam that couldn't
 
2011-12-08 05:28:28 PM  
Giver her a few weeks and the car will be gassed up again.
 
2011-12-08 05:28:33 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: You know... I just can't gloat about something like this but maybe they'll take this as a sign from "God" that the clown car is ready to be put up on blocks.


Forget the damn blocks, part it out and make into a damn cube already.

//although I wouldn't wish a miscarriage on anyone
/mine was brutal enough
 
2011-12-08 05:28:36 PM  
Great headline and some really funny comments. Thanks for the laugh, I've been feeling depressed lately.
 
2011-12-08 05:29:31 PM  
I LOL'd way more than I should have at that headline.
+1 subby
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/mother of 2 and former certified auto mechanic
 
2011-12-08 05:29:41 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.


Yeah, part of me says they brought this coverage upon themselves but seriously? A People Mag article? This is farking sickening.
 
2011-12-08 05:29:41 PM  
Funeral procession in progress:

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/sorry
 
2011-12-08 05:30:01 PM  
I had to sit through an episode or two of their Euro trip. The wife strikes me as relatively intelligent (at least level-headed), but dumb enough to fall for her husband's religious brainwashing. Jim Bob, however, seems like he's just above being functionally retarded. Holy crap, it was embarrassing to watch him talk to people.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:10 PM  

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


Onward Christian Soldiers?
 
2011-12-08 05:30:12 PM  
55 posts and nothing?

I am disappoint.

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2011-12-08 05:30:25 PM  
Subby you magnificent bastard. Top score!
 
2011-12-08 05:30:26 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


She actually really lucky a miscarriage is all that happened. She's lucky she didn't die.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:32 PM  
The tranny may be shot, but I'm betting the tailpipe is still working.
 
2011-12-08 05:30:51 PM  
That's headline of the damn year right there
 
2011-12-08 05:31:08 PM  
Loose curtains in front of an open window can't keep out the wind.
 
2011-12-08 05:31:28 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Oh gawd.... best laugh in a week!
 
2011-12-08 05:31:34 PM  
I know what a normal uterus looks like and somehow I imagine hers looks like an old pair of sweatpants by now
 
2011-12-08 05:31:41 PM  

TeddyBallGame: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Yeah, part of me says they brought this coverage upon themselves but seriously? A People Mag article? This is farking sickening.


Why? The Duggars chose to be famous. They chose to go to the press about this miscarriage. It's not People's fault.
 
2011-12-08 05:32:32 PM  
Around 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. She's had two out of 21 pregnancies. That's 9.5%.

She's batting well above average.
 
2011-12-08 05:32:46 PM  
Anybody notice that it's OK when the fetus decides to chuck it, but not when the host does?
 
2011-12-08 05:33:13 PM  

SmackLT: I know what a normal uterus looks like


Really? Cuz I find the fact that you know this to be a little farked up.
 
2011-12-08 05:33:36 PM  
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2011-12-08 05:33:43 PM  

sgilman: 55 posts and nothing?

I am disappoint.

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 400x500]


The headline was the meme. You didn't even have to look in the thread, you could just move along satisfied.
 
2011-12-08 05:33:50 PM  
I am most certainly ticketed to Hell in a first class window seat for laughing at that headline. Brilliant work, subby, whoever you are.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:20 PM  
The only thing
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is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:30 PM  
I cannot understand all the hate. Even on Fark. It is depressing. The world is large and loving. If only every couple could have 19 kids. There would be so much happiness and peace in the world. We would have want for nothing. This woman is doing her part - what about you? And she obviously loves being a mother. I'm sure every child gets to have a meaningful interaction with her/his parents. Think of all the attention these children get! I am sure they will all go the best college.
 
2011-12-08 05:34:55 PM  

laid back w/bud light: I have one daughter age 9. I would eat a bullet with any more than that. Best friend has 4 kids and his life is hell. Multiply that times five and you're obviously breeding a cult.


That's the beauty of individual choice...some of us like no kids at all, some of us like big families. Don't blame his 4 kids on his life being "hell," blame his parenting or his inability to decide when it was right to stop.

I have no issue with the Duggars. They are obviously good parents, raising their children in a way none of us ourselves have chosen. They feed, clothe, educate (well, that one maybe not as much as I'd like to see, even as a homeschooling mom myself) and are involved in their childrens' lives.

The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....and the minute they let themselves in for so much publicity, they bought into the scrutiny and the condemnation.

Second trimester miscarriages are awful. There's nothing to be vicious about here.
 
2011-12-08 05:35:17 PM  
Stop. Having. Kids!
 
2011-12-08 05:35:19 PM  
Nice headline. +1
 
2011-12-08 05:35:26 PM  
If corporations are people, and People is a corporation.... (head assplode)
 
2011-12-08 05:35:44 PM  

Misch: bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids

It's a movement, and we've discussed Quiverfull a number of times before on Fark.


It's a movement and a mental disease!

/New Shimmer!
 
2011-12-08 05:35:49 PM  
1) This is sad, it's always sad when this happens, no matter who it is

2) +2 headline subby
3) They told her not to cough


/one please
//I'll get my sunglasses
 
2011-12-08 05:36:00 PM  
i wonder what their thoughts on God are now. not what they told People, but what their true thoughts are.
 
2011-12-08 05:37:04 PM  
im-ok-with-this.jpeg
 
2011-12-08 05:37:16 PM  
Let's get our medical jargon right here. This was not a spontaneous abortion (commonly called a miscarriage). This was a preterm loss. The baby was only 4 weeks away from viability. And at least the family could feed, cloth and educated their children.
 
2011-12-08 05:37:24 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: tlchwi02: according to personhood fundies, doesn't this make her a murderer?

No, it makes God a murderer. Unless it was a Job-deal where Satan was allowed to kill the baby to test their faith, in which Satan's the murderer and God's the accomplice. Jesus was the bag-man and the Holy Spirit drove the getaway car. Alternately it could be a Super-blessing 'cause the kid would have been a non-believer and brought shame upon his mother's hair and his father's head and thus God stopped the baby from poisoning the Duggerwell. Then again it may be the child was SO pure that God called it home pre-birth to sing special Hymns and Praises along with the seraphim and cherabim and Living Creatures and terrifying wheel-in-the-sky beasts from Ezekial.

It's a holy mystery, really.


What color would you like on my favorites list?
 
2011-12-08 05:38:16 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Voting enabled, please.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:27 PM  
It's amazingly sad to read these peoples media quotes whenever they have conceived in the past. It usually goes something like "We are so surprised and blessed to find out we are pregnant again, God is truly blessing us." Oh really? You are grown adults who still haven't comprehended the fact that if you shoot your loads into your wife her eggs will become fertilized. You are two healthy adults still in child-bearing age and you are surprised that (Jesus imposed) unprotected sex continues to result in pregnancy? I don't know who's sadder, the Duggars, or the millions of middle-aged Christian woman who watch this ridiculous show, desperately wishing they could still have children at home, trying to find some sort of meaning to their pathetic lives.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:35 PM  
A late entry for HOTY.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:46 PM  
They don't use birth control so maybe its time for daddy to pull out. Or have another miscarriage. But hey, at least they aren't on welfare.
 
2011-12-08 05:38:50 PM  
I am sure they will all go the best college.

Brigham Young has a volume discount. What other college is there?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:02 PM  
She was taking oral birth control during her second pregnancy and miscarried? Isn't this the exact reason there are warnings against taking birth control while preggers?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:32 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Mrs. Duggar also ignored the UFC mixed martial arts-gloved hand that came out of her birth canal and started to furiously tap out.
 
2011-12-08 05:39:33 PM  

StanTheMan: The only thing [img1.fark.net image 54x11] is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.


No way, they are constantly being used.
 
2011-12-08 05:39:39 PM  

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


What was he trying to tell her the other 19 times?
 
2011-12-08 05:39:46 PM  

lohphat: +1


More like -1 amirite?
 
2011-12-08 05:40:08 PM  

lohphat: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

God's a murderer!


that's sort of been known for awhile. there's even this big old book that describes god's love of killin' and abortin'. seriously, god's an abortionist. this i know because the bible tells me so...
 
2011-12-08 05:40:22 PM  

Michael10101: Let's get our medical jargon right here. This was not a spontaneous abortion (commonly called a miscarriage). This was a preterm loss. The baby was only 4 weeks away from viability. And at least the family could feed, cloth and educated their children.


THIS.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:22 PM  

Freelance alcoholic: They don't use birth control so maybe its time for daddy to pull out. Or have another miscarriage. But hey, at least they aren't on welfare.


Don't they wind up with a lot of freebies from their church, community, and from their TV Deal?
 
2011-12-08 05:40:29 PM  

mjoven1975: This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.


December 2011 headlines go into the 2012 contest.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:32 PM  
I see a resemblance.

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2011-12-08 05:40:39 PM  
Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

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Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.
 
2011-12-08 05:40:47 PM  
Subby is a magnificent basterd.

+1
 
2011-12-08 05:40:55 PM  

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


+1

Karma Curmudgeon: Phoenix_M: It's all a part of God's plan. B


Nice :)
 
2011-12-08 05:40:59 PM  

Rann Xerox: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

Mrs. Duggar also ignored the UFC mixed martial arts-gloved hand that came out of her birth canal and started to furiously tap out.


So... Michelle Duggar is Mae Young?
 
2011-12-08 05:41:53 PM  

jiaxiaobo: I cannot understand all the hate. Even on Fark. It is depressing. The world is large and loving. If only every couple could have 19 kids. There would be so much happiness and peace in the world. We would have want for nothing. This woman is doing her part - what about you? And she obviously loves being a mother. I'm sure every child gets to have a meaningful interaction with her/his parents. Think of all the attention these children get! I am sure they will all go the best college.


Yeah, we'd all want for nothing. Except for, you know: food, potable water, various minerals, energy, space...that sort of thing.

This isn't the dark ages. We no longer need to force out a giant brood in the hopes that some of our genetic material survives.

People need to stop thinking about themselves to much.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:28 PM  

NightOwl2255: StanTheMan: The only thing [img1.fark.net image 54x11] is that burglars didn't break into her house and steal her ovaries a long time ago.

No way, they are constantly being used.


Well I don't know about you guys, but after this, I'm praying for ovarian.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:28 PM  
Marky, Ricky, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, Tommy, Joey, Robby, Johnny, and Brian.
 
2011-12-08 05:42:45 PM  
Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby
 
2011-12-08 05:43:12 PM  
Once, it was a clown car. Now, it's a hearse.
 
2011-12-08 05:43:33 PM  
That woman is barking mad.
 
2011-12-08 05:43:41 PM  

Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife,


I am so sorry.
 
2011-12-08 05:44:17 PM  

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

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2011-12-08 05:44:30 PM  
"It has been a real sad disappointment."

Because there are so many happy disappointments.

I can't say I'm surprised it happened, but I'm sad for them. Second trimester miscarriages are not nice.
 
2011-12-08 05:45:32 PM  

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P
 
2011-12-08 05:46:04 PM  

mjoven1975: This should be a late entry into the HOY contest.

+1 subs


THIS!!! I lol'd out loud in my cube and still lol'ing....
 
2011-12-08 05:46:16 PM  
HOTY candidate. Well done, subby, well done.
 
2011-12-08 05:46:32 PM  

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


It's called Christianity.
 
2011-12-08 05:46:36 PM  
Amazing Headline.
Feel bad for the family. They can have 100 kids as long as I don't have to pay for them.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:28 PM  
Time to call it a day, honey.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:43 PM  
I know everyone likes to make fun of them but I think they are a really sweet family. They obviously take good care of their children, and the fact that they can do that with 19 of them when so many families can't do it with one or two says a lot about their dedication to family.

I'm sorry for their loss. I can't imagine a second trimester loss. How awful.
 
2011-12-08 05:47:44 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Miscarriages aren't funny, no matter who suffered them, so on that note I'm sorry to hear of this. That said, after 19 children, several difficult pregnancies, and advancing age, she couldn't have been all that surprised that something like this might happen. Did her doctor advise her that the older she gets, and the more she continues to get pregnant, the greater the risk she could miscarry?

This could have been avoided.


No it couldn't, their religion prohibits using any kind of contraception, It also considers a man who "spills his seed" to be a sinner. In other words, In these peoples minds the only sexual outlet is to have unprotected sex, and whatever happens in considered to be "God's Plan". I have no doubt that they will chalk this miscarriage up to "God's Will" and continue their delusional lifestyle.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:29 PM  
FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:39 PM  
I can usually see the funny in most tragic occurances but getting just a few posts into the thread has made me throatpunch so many people. I guess I have some unresolved issues on this subject.

/welcome to fark.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:40 PM  

granolasteak: Second trimester miscarriages are awful. There's nothing to be vicious about here.


Their doctors warned them about any more pregnancies after the last one's complications.

This is self-inflicted stupidity -- sometimes public ridicule serves a purpose to have them think twice about doing it again.
 
2011-12-08 05:48:47 PM  

radarlove: I find it infinitely more sad that they'll no doubt try again.

 
2011-12-08 05:49:13 PM  
I don't support what they are doing, but as someone who has gone through a miscarriage twice, I can sympathize with them for their loss.
 
2011-12-08 05:49:14 PM  
spectacular subby!
 
2011-12-08 05:49:40 PM  

granolasteak: The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....


No, the sad part is these folks are irresponsible on multiple levels whether they're on national television or not. These folks are horders only instead of newspaper or milk jugs they're hording people.
 
2011-12-08 05:49:47 PM  
headline could have just been: 19... and two thirds.
 
2011-12-08 05:50:05 PM  

Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


While I have sympathy for what you and your wife have been through, perhaps you should realize it is not so much the miscarriage but that the Woman in question is a FRIGGING HUMAN PEZ DISPENSER!

Now that I have said that

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2011-12-08 05:51:32 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: ...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

www.kyru.net


What can I say, it's been a few years since my last green. Plus, it is a clown car with roast beef gullwing doors.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:15 PM  

granolasteak: Somacandra: Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife,

I am so sorry.


His wife was stillborn? That's horrible.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:22 PM  
If I knew I was going to enter the world kid #20 to bat-shiat insane parents I would have hanged myself on my own umbilical cord too.
 
2011-12-08 05:52:24 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Once, it was a clown car. Now, it's a hearse.


It can be both. Behold, the clown car hearse:

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2011-12-08 05:53:16 PM  

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


It was a very good headline.
 
2011-12-08 05:53:20 PM  

AbbeySomeone: God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.


Isn't that the divine goal? To go before God? Does she want to go first or her kids? Well....in this case, that question was answered for her. Sadly, I think her faith is clouding acceptance of biology, in which, if biology is of divine creation, this should be putting her on notice....before the next one kills her.
 
2011-12-08 05:53:43 PM  

Jixa: FTA - This was their second miscarriage; Michelle lost her baby during her second pregnancy. She was taking oral birth control at the time and cites this as one reason the couple together decided to leave the number of children they have "up to God."

Ok, if oral birth control is not working for you there are other alternatives besides contributing to overpopulation and making your uterus into a turnstile. If you don't want to use condoms, you can get an IUD, Depo-Provera, Nuva-Ring, a diaphragm, or several other types of contraception. There's also tubal ligation and for the men, a vasectomy. (Both of which are reversible, btw.) Leaving the decision up to some bearded white guy that lives in the clouds when you have other alternatives, is greedy, selfish, archaic and just plain stupid.


Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

There are vastly more important things in this universe than humping like bunnies and pooping out babies.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:04 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard


From your linked article: "Bill Gothard is also big on handing out advice to parents, especially in the "Quiverfull" movement--including to none other than the very poster-children of "Quiverfull", the Duggar clan--already up to seventeen little God Warrior sproglets."

I drove past a mosque once and heard a call to prayer. Guess I'm a radical Muslim terrorist now.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:11 PM  

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


Keep trying. God may intend for you to have 20 headlines greened.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:38 PM  
They should name the baby Pubert.
 
2011-12-08 05:54:51 PM  
I'm suspecting the sad tag is only so Subby doesn't look like an ass. cause really, everyone here's making fun of her
 
2011-12-08 05:54:54 PM  
She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?
 
2011-12-08 05:55:01 PM  
Oh dear God, Dad Dugger just hung a sock on the bedroom doorknob.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:14 PM  

TheMorgothPit: As someone who thinks these assholes are trying to breed an army I am glad.


She's like a fleshy flak 88.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:42 PM  
Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:43 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse"


Wait, are we talking about the WHOLE bible, or just the New Testament? The NT wouldn't sound that painful, but the OT is pretty damn heavy.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:49 PM  
Jeez, I hate to be an asshole, but GOOD.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:52 PM  

bulldg4life: Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Or maybe it's a form of hoarding.
 
2011-12-08 05:55:56 PM  

Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: The sad part here is that they allowed themselves to be swept into the TV nonsense and to let the nation judge them. It's not the television viewing public's business how many children you have....

No, the sad part is these folks are irresponsible on multiple levels whether they're on national television or not. These folks are horders only instead of newspaper or milk jugs they're hording people.


She's a whore for her faith? that's how I see it.
 
2011-12-08 05:56:07 PM  
I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.
 
2011-12-08 05:56:10 PM  
Better than the likely short bus alternative.

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2011-12-08 05:56:29 PM  
time to use the butt
 
2011-12-08 05:56:34 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P


Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.
 
2011-12-08 05:58:11 PM  

zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?


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2011-12-08 05:58:15 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The transformer may be shot, but I'm betting the tailpipe is still working.


I thought doing a transformer means working through the tailpipe.

/Hate getting a re-manned transformer.
//Prefer transformers with a nice long shift
 
2011-12-08 05:58:21 PM  

Poison Appleseeds: This could have been avoided.

No it couldn't, their religion prohibits using any kind of contraception, It also considers a man who "spills his seed" to be a sinner. In other words, In these peoples minds the only sexual outlet is to have unprotected sex, and whatever happens in considered to be "God's Plan". I have no doubt that they will chalk this miscarriage up to "God's Will" and continue their delusional lifestyle.


Actually, Michelle Duggar stops nursing at 6 months with each child, just so she can get pregnant again. So, yes, it could have been avoided. Most QF families are not against breastfeeding as birth control.
 
2011-12-08 05:59:35 PM  

Lunchlady: That's headline of the damn year right there


It's good that they offer headline writers up to two chances for a good headline every year.
 
2011-12-08 06:00:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Great Porn Dragon: the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse"

Wait, are we talking about the WHOLE bible, or just the New Testament? The NT wouldn't sound that painful, but the OT is pretty damn heavy.


OK, I should clarify here--we're talking not so much literally beating someone with the Bible, but more of systematic forms of abuse (generally spousal abuse and child abuse) that claim to use the Bible as the basis. (And generally the groups that do promote religiously motivated domestic abuse tend to use the Old Testament, and specifically various "scripture twistings" of either Levitican law or other books from the Old Testament.)
 
2011-12-08 06:02:07 PM  
Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.
 
2011-12-08 06:02:49 PM  

GAT_00: Ok, even I think that's too far.


I think it's not too far enough.
 
2011-12-08 06:03:26 PM  
Whats 18 inches long and makes a woman cry?


/runs
 
2011-12-08 06:03:52 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

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No, at this stage, a cigar box would do.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:05 PM  

Lone Stranger: They should name the baby Pubert.


You know, if I was shooting for 26, I'd name each one starting with a different letter of the alphabet. Aleysha, Booleemya, Chlamidya, and so on.

So # 20 would have been Tondaleo or something like that.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:27 PM  

inkblot: I don't know whether to feel sad.


I'm not.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:29 PM  

mjoven1975: Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.


That's what I thought when I heard they were having a funeral for a fetus.
 
2011-12-08 06:04:41 PM  

Da Bum: Finally... I get another headline greened.

/subby


You're now flirting with addiction buddy. Careful.
 
2011-12-08 06:05:11 PM  

zabadu: FirstNationalBastard: zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?

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No, at this stage, a cigar box would do.


Isn't that what it just came out of?

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2011-12-08 06:05:13 PM  

zabadu: She says the family will select a name after they know if the baby was a boy or girl, and then plan to have a funeral service.

WUT?


Or they could just go with "Pat".
 
2011-12-08 06:05:18 PM  
Is Sad tag for the fact that I knew exactly what this article was about based on that headline?

+1 Subby
 
2011-12-08 06:05:28 PM  

zabadu: mjoven1975: Please tell me they aren't going to shoot a creepy goodbye video and post it to YouTube. I stumbled across one of those when I was looking at some childbirth videos when my wife was pregnant.

I know everybody says goodbye in their own way, but keep those videos to yourselves please.

That's what I thought when I heard they were having a funeral for a fetus.


"Funeral for a Fetus"?

They're not gonna get Elton John to go all Princess Di on another song, are they?
 
2011-12-08 06:05:38 PM  
I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.
 
2011-12-08 06:05:41 PM  

RidersOfLohan: time to use the butt


This
 
2011-12-08 06:06:37 PM  
I approve of this headline. Those farking weirdos made a spectacle of their stupid choices, I heartily approve mocking them for it.
 
2011-12-08 06:06:45 PM  

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Yes, they're part of a "Quiverful" movement that hopes to out-breed the heathens. it's disgusting and wasteful of resources -- and worse, it puts more indoctrinated asshats into play.
 
2011-12-08 06:07:00 PM  
Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

**Snert**
Funniest thing I've read all day!
 
2011-12-08 06:07:39 PM  
I was just thinking that before Old Joe Bob works one minute he already has a minimum of 75K in tax deductions, and most over 125K when all is said and done!

Remember this the next time someone goes on about how they receive no Govt. Assistance,
 
2011-12-08 06:07:44 PM  

radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.


witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...
 
2011-12-08 06:08:05 PM  

MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.


Or perhaps it isn't harder for them since they define their whole existence upon the Mrs. spewing the contents of her vagina into the public square, they already have 19 children, and that she's also miscarried before.

Your sympathy would be much better spent on the children who are being murdered in Syria, but then again, they don't have their own reality show.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:11 PM  
She stopped a beating heart. She murdered the preborn citizen in her womb.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:14 PM  

Da Bum: FirstNationalBastard: ...I don't think you publicly admit that on a topic like this.

But, since you did, Bravo.

www.kyru.net

What can I say, it's been a few years since my last green. Plus, it is a clown car with roast beef gullwing doors.


LOL! You need to write more headlines.
 
2011-12-08 06:08:28 PM  
I think I found their family portrait:

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2011-12-08 06:09:06 PM  
To beat the record, she has 13 more years in which to give birth.

Think about it. 13 more years.
 
2011-12-08 06:09:31 PM  

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.
 
2011-12-08 06:09:33 PM  

MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.


I am so sorry for your losses. Thank you for being a voice for sanity in this generally disdainful and rude thread.

My daughter is 20 weeks pregnant right now. Were she to spontaneously abort (miscarry), it would be no less of a loss to us than were she to birth a stillborn baby in 20 more weeks. I completely understand their desire for a funeral service and to name their baby.
 
2011-12-08 06:10:20 PM  

Chariset: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

....darn you for making me laugh at that...


second.
 
2011-12-08 06:10:28 PM  

A Fark Handle: radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...


Now THAT's a picture I didn't want in my head.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:15 PM  
Well this confirms it.

You guys are assholes.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:19 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: JusticeandIndependence: So technically an abortion occurred

An abortion performed by God himself.


I'm sure it was immaculate.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:25 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: /full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement


NLQ was my first thought; the story of the lady who wanted a simple little garden statue as a monument for her lost children, and the husband who said no...

So sad. I feel bad for them on an emotional level but there's so much "COMMON SENSE" I want to scream at them. I'm not going to be surprised if they try again...
 
2011-12-08 06:11:25 PM  

A Fark Handle: radarlove: Or they could also simply abstain from sexual intercourse. It really isn't that difficult. You just keep the penis well away from the vagina.

witch!

/unless you're promoting the use of the other two holes...


I actively promote the use of many holes for many different situations. This is one of them, yes.

/remember kids, it's only onanism if it gets on the ground!
 
2011-12-08 06:11:34 PM  

granolasteak: MidnightSkulker: I've lost multiple babies in the first trimester, and those losses are completely wrenching. It's a horrendous thing to go through. I cannot imagine getting further along, thinking I'm safely out of the 'danger zone' then finding out the baby died with no warning. The thought just makes my heart stop.

I'm very sorry they have lost another baby. Her last pregnancy's complication (preeclampsia and gallstones at the same time) was not at all related to the number of pregnancies she's had - it could have happened to a first time mom as easily as it did to her. I think it is absurd people are blaming her for that.

No woman should have to suffer the loss of a dearly loved child. It is, perhaps, harder for them because the baby in the womb is no different to them than a born child. I feel sorry for them.

I am so sorry for your losses. Thank you for being a voice for sanity in this generally disdainful and rude thread.


Oh please.

 
2011-12-08 06:11:41 PM  

jst3p: Really? Cuz I find the fact that you know this to be a little farked up.


You're unable to do a GIS for uterus? It's a body part, same as a stomach or kidney. I also know what those look like.
 
2011-12-08 06:11:51 PM  

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


And that it's perfectly fine to get married at 19, and to have the women be completely dependent upon the husband.
 
2011-12-08 06:12:11 PM  

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?
 
2011-12-08 06:13:20 PM  
She fumbled that baby.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:23 PM  
INGREDIENTS FOR THIS WOMAN TO MISCARRY: A strong wind and a skirt.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:44 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


It's a tragedy for you and your wife because she probably hasn't had 19 other kids already. For the Duggars, a miscarriage is a statistic.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:54 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

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Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.



While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:12 PM  

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


Done in one.

The whole reason these two nimrods turned her vagoo into a clown car in the first place is because of the first miscarraige which they blamed on the (not entirely effective, apparently) birth control she was taking at the time. They took it as a sign from God that birth control was the Devil's work and to have as many children as possible.

So if miscarraige = sign from God, what's he telling you this time?
 
2011-12-08 06:14:18 PM  

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: I don't take joy in this, But Goddamit, everything wears out if you overuse it.


yeah, i am curious if the rate of miscarriage increases rapidly after x number of pregnancies. eh, it could just be age alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:27 PM  
While I would not wish a miscarriage on anyone, I have to say that when you've been warned that the pregnancy is dangerous, when you've abused your womb by pounding out two baseball teams already, and when you put adherence to a destructive ideology above common sense and medical advice..... well, you've accepted a certain risk there, haven't you?

And I can only wonder how long it'll be before she attempts another.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:55 PM  
When I was 31 my husband and I moved to the country where our only neighbors were Amish. The closest family had 14 kids (and counting) and they were the same age as my husband and myself. We had one child. They since have went on to have several more. I never discussed with her their views on birth control as it seemed they had none. I was struck by the fact that had my parents been of a different faith I could have been her ((shudder)). Just one of those wow moments life gives us.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:15 PM  

1derful:

Or perhaps it isn't harder for them since they define their whole existence upon the Mrs. spewing the contents of her vagina into the public square, they already have 19 children, and that she's also miscarried before.

Your sympathy would be much better spent on the children who are being murdered in Syria, but then again, they don't have their own reality show.


I've been pregnant over half a dozen times and have two living children. Losing a wanted baby does not get easier. End of story.

Also, this thread is about the Duggars. I was commenting on the topic at hand. Just because I feel sympathy for any woman who has lost a pregnancy does not mean I do not care about other tragedies.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:32 PM  
Sorry all, but the loss of a kid is the worst thing that can happen.
Been there/done that Please no joke about the situation.
 
m3h
2011-12-08 06:16:47 PM  

AbbeySomeone: God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.


That would fix the problem for the future.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:53 PM  

granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?
 
2011-12-08 06:17:16 PM  

larrimo: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.


THIS
 
2011-12-08 06:17:42 PM  

demonfaerie: Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.


You have a spray booth big enough to fit a uterus clown car in? Very nice.
 
2011-12-08 06:17:50 PM  
Came for Clevon Family tree, leaving disappoint
 
2011-12-08 06:17:55 PM  

granolasteak: So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't..they adopt on of those?


FTFY
 
2011-12-08 06:19:05 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.
 
2011-12-08 06:19:57 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: But they knew this was a very real possibility, and at some point you have to realize that you can spare yourself pain by not doing stupid things. That includes not getting pregnant for the 21st time at the age of 46. She's lucky she didn't die as well.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:20:00 PM  
Can somebody with time and skill photoshop a damaged clown car and caption it "that'll buff out"? I'd give up my 1st class ticket to hell and sit in coach to see that
 
2011-12-08 06:20:01 PM  
I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:20:12 PM  
And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:06 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.



QFT

Because god wants more children on an overpopulated planet at the risk of the mother's life.

Crazy is as crazy does.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:43 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.
 
2011-12-08 06:23:37 PM  
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Happy Britney Spear's Speculum (sic)?
 
2011-12-08 06:23:52 PM  
FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.
 
2011-12-08 06:24:02 PM  

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.



To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'
 
2011-12-08 06:24:23 PM  

markie_farkie: This seems appropriate (new window)


As does this
 
2011-12-08 06:24:49 PM  

zabadu: We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.


Well when your sky wizard mandates tithing, how else are you going to increase the bottom line?
 
2011-12-08 06:26:01 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


True enough. If your desire to produce warriors for god trumps your desire to parent your existing kids, I'm questioning your thought process.
 
2011-12-08 06:26:06 PM  

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:27:08 PM  
mediaho: I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:27:12 PM  

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


I have a lot more respect for these people.
http://www.debolts.com/history.html
 
2011-12-08 06:27:30 PM  

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


Yeah, and I'm sure if I suggested that gay people raising kids were weird or a reason for public ridicule, Id get my rear handed to me on fark. I bet people would wonder why I care so much about other people's families when they seem to be doing fine, and I'm sure they'd suggest it unethical and backward that I place judgment on the choices that other people make. In fact, farkers might even wonder if was even healthy that I take such an interest in the family structure of complete strangers, and is there some kind of mental hangup characterized by putting too much thought into the sexual and reprodctive activities of other people?

Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.
 
2011-12-08 06:28:29 PM  

misanthropic1: I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?


Well, as an atheist, homeschooling, former EMT/Firefighting mom of MANY children, yes, I think it's odd that you can't see many points of view on Fark.

Fark is not your personal political site. It's here to share ideas, and sometimes laugh at silliness in the world. ("We don't make news, we mock it.")

HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.
 
2011-12-08 06:29:37 PM  

lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT


Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:00 PM  
Has anyone mentioned how much of a glorious bastard subby is for the headline, yet?
 
2011-12-08 06:31:21 PM  
If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:48 PM  

granolasteak: HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.


Well. Bye.

/father who knows the difference between tragedy and self-inflicted vain stupidty
 
2011-12-08 06:32:02 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT

Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.


Q'ingFT the QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:32:22 PM  

granolasteak: Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P

Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.


Not all Quiverfull families are into Gothard, true, but there IS plenty of documented evidence that the Duggars are Gothard acolytes:

Info from a pro-Quiverfull site explicitly noting the fact the Duggars are Gothard acolytes
Explicit discussion of the fact the Duggars are Gothardites (including commentary from pro-Quiverfull writers who see Gothard's tactics as profoundly harmful)
Article noting that Jim Duggar likely got recruited into the Gothard cult via an Institute on Biblical Life Principles "financial seminar" (which is a VERY common method of recruitment by the Gothardites)
A whole discussion forum on Gothard and his relationship with the Duggars on Discovery's forum re the Duggars' TLC show--spawned in large part because they have been very open about being Gothardites on the show
Statement re the Duggars' relationship with Bill Gothard from an antidominionist conservative Christian forum (yes, they do exist!)
No less than the National Enquirer has also reported on the relationship between the Duggars and Gothard--including notably pointing out how Gothard runs a coercive group (oddly enough, the National Enquirer does tend to be careful about its sources as they were hit with a lawsuit in the 80s; stuff they've reported on has often been found to be legitimate when followed up by mainline non-tabloid press)
Discussion by Vyckie Garrison, an ex-Quiverfull walkaway, on the relationship with the Duggars and Gothard (of note: Vyckie used to be one of the big names in the Quiverfull movement before she walked away, and now operates the No Longer Quivering walkaway forum)

Or if that's not good enough, how about from the Duggars themselves?

Internet Archive post from the Duggars' own site where they're explicitly promoting Gothard (this, along with Wikipedia entries re Gothard and the Duggars, were expurgated when it came out that Gothard is a major promoter of religiously motivated domestic abuse; fortunately, Internet Archive and Wikipedia history hold the unexpurgated versions)
More Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion from the Duggars (including, among other things, promotion of the Gothard "homeschool" program--considered so educationally insufficient that some state boards consider kids educated with this program alone to be legally truant)
And still more Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion by the Duggars (this time, in "Faith Building Tools")

(Of note: the Duggar family's website seems to have gone largely flash-based as of 2011, but you can STILL see promotion of Bill Gothard material on the present website by mousing over the "Family Favorites" link--which includes links to the Gothardite "Basic Life Principles Seminar". So this isn't a case where they've recently walked away.)

I do not make the statement they're involved with the Gothard cult lightly, and not without a fair amount of evidence--a goodly part of it from the horse's mouth, at that.

(Now, it's also my opinion that Quiverfull as a movement and completely aside from Gothard is also an inherently abusive movement, but Gothard is one of the prime examples of its abusiveness (along with Michael and Debi Pearl and THEIR little religiously motivated domestic abuse "advice" empire that has led to multiple deaths). But that may be something we have to agree to disagree on.)
 
2011-12-08 06:32:58 PM  

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.


If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.
 
2011-12-08 06:33:38 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


I gasped. I. Actually. Gasped.

/then I laaauuughed...
 
2011-12-08 06:33:57 PM  

jbuist: Around 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. She's had two out of 21 pregnancies. That's 9.5%.

She's batting well above average.


Actually she's only had 19 pregnancies. There are 2 sets of twins in there.
 
2011-12-08 06:34:00 PM  

dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.


Second removed... 19 is enough.
Don't question gods motives
 
2011-12-08 06:34:12 PM  
Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:28 PM  

Persnickety: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'


Two words: Peer pressure.

It works both ways.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:33 PM  
Smited.

You dun broke da oven.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:37 PM  

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.

You have a spray booth big enough to fit a uterus clown car in? Very nice.


Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:56 PM  

Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.


It does if you want the species to continue.
 
2011-12-08 06:36:18 PM  
This headline is farking brilliant.
 
2011-12-08 06:36:39 PM  
This couple had a baby and after waiting a while, the doctor came back into the room holding the baby. The couple started to smile, and the doctor said, "I have great news for you both. Your baby can fly." The couple kind of looked at eachother confused, and the doctor said, "no really! I'll prove it!" and he released the baby. The baby fell to the ground and hit the floor with a sickening thud. The parents started to freak out, but the doctor said, "wow, I don't know what that was about. But trust me, your baby can seriously fly! here, let me try again". The doctor threw the baby, the baby hit the wall and fell to the floor with a sickening thud. The parents were really starting to get upset at this point. The father was starting to cuss at the doctor, and the doctor said, "okay last chance, this time I'll really prove it. I'm so serious, your baby can really fly!". The doctor went to the window, and held the baby out the window. The parents stood up as the doctor dropped the baby. The baby fell all the way and hit the cement 9 stories below with a sickening thud. At this point, the father ran at the doctor with his arms out and his teeth bared. The doctor took a step back, grinned, and said, "I'm just kidding! Your baby was still-born".

/isle seat please
 
2011-12-08 06:36:44 PM  

Chariset: Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.

....darn you for making me laugh at that...


THIS.
 
2011-12-08 06:37:28 PM  
BRAVO SUBMITTER!!!
 
2011-12-08 06:37:44 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.

It does if you want the species to continue.


The sad part is it's the smart ones having one or two kids and the brainwashed sky wizard soldiers having the broods.
 
2011-12-08 06:37:50 PM  

demonfaerie: Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.


I've built cars out of canvas and wood before. They catch on fire. Something about the fuel soaking into the fibres of the engine.
 
2011-12-08 06:38:13 PM  

Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.


Some of us are just so damn awesome we are obligated to make sure our genetic material stays in the gene pool. To do otherwise would be a disservice to humanity.
 
2011-12-08 06:38:36 PM  

puppetmaster745: Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.


I'm pretty sure each pregnancy after #2 added about a million dollars + of health care costs that their insurance took care of. Insurance that other, more responsible people also pay into and expect to be there when they get sick.

The last kid was in the NICU for a few weeks. The NICU ain't cheap my friend.
 
2011-12-08 06:39:02 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


Icing on an amazing headline cake!

/thank you, may we please have another?
 
2011-12-08 06:39:38 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.


More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).
 
2011-12-08 06:39:55 PM  
Time to stop? No? Carry on then, and maybe prepare for another funeral or two.
 
2011-12-08 06:40:00 PM  

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Yeah it wasn't easy, I had to build it out of wood and canvas.

I've built cars out of canvas and wood before. They catch on fire. Something about the fuel soaking into the fibres of the engine.


Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.
 
2011-12-08 06:40:03 PM  
What's with all the sympathy? Freaking clown car should've been black-flagged years ago.

If the silly coont loves kids so much she should adopt and save us from the tragedy of her loinfruit.

Nice work subby :)
 
2011-12-08 06:40:19 PM  

jst3p: Nishu: Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.

Some of us are just so damn awesome we are obligated to make sure our genetic material stays in the gene pool. To do otherwise would be a disservice to humanity.


HAHA! Fair enough!
 
2011-12-08 06:40:27 PM  

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


And we're done in 1.

/+1 Subby
 
2011-12-08 06:41:08 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.


'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?
 
2011-12-08 06:41:56 PM  

puppetmaster745: Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.


When they get out of the public eye, I will.
 
2011-12-08 06:42:07 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.

More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).


I bet when a woman's entire existence is defined by her ability to make babies, she's emotionally, mentally, and spiritually destroyed when she can't have any more. That's probably a huge part of why Michelle wants to keep making babies.
 
2011-12-08 06:42:26 PM  

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.


Actually, no. If another farker failed to produce their 20th farking kid, we would still be less than sympathetic to them. You know why? Because trying to make that many babies is batshiat crazy, and making a public spectacle of it leaves you even less deserving of being treated as a human being.

This is brutally sad for the Duggars, sure. But not for humanity as a whole.

Also, I want to introduce you to something called "logic." You are impling that we who are not butthurt about a complete stranger's miscarriage are somehow less capable of dealing with tragedy that directly affects us. Wouldn't it make more sense for the people who are saddened by this article to be the ones who can't handle it, seeing as how they are apparently less callous in general?
 
2011-12-08 06:42:31 PM  

lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT


As George Carlin once said, "Why don't any of these people go to the hospital and adopt an abandoned crack baby. Noooooo, that's too much like something Christ would actually do."
 
2011-12-08 06:42:50 PM  
Nope. Not laughing at a (pre) child's death no matter how stupid, dogmatic and possibly crazy these people are.

Of course if she was aware of this possibility, it rests on their shoulders.
 
2011-12-08 06:43:10 PM  
I found out today that a friend of mine miscarried. Unfortunately she had the d&c to remove the leftovers at a Catholic hospital. They gave her a birth certificate to take home so she could name it, and offered her burial services. At six weeks, the fetus is approximately a quarter of an inch in size, and they're offering her a farking coffin for a "modest donation". I couldn't find out how much they wanted, but I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Hail Satan
 
2011-12-08 06:43:52 PM  

granolasteak: misanthropic1: I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?

Well, as an atheist, homeschooling, former EMT/Firefighting mom of MANY children, yes, I think it's odd that you can't see many points of view on Fark.

Fark is not your personal political site. It's here to share ideas, and sometimes laugh at silliness in the world. ("We don't make news, we mock it.")

HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.


Sorry, you seem to have missed my point. From my utilitarian view these people are mentally ill and actively trying to make the world a more anti-intellectual and totalitarian place for my/our potential children (you seem ok with this). Hence, the failure of their poorly conceived endeavor in no way troubles me; quite the opposite. I don't feel sorry for idiots that get drunk and wreck their car or shoot themselves by accident, either.

/also they're media whores and this is a humor forum
 
2011-12-08 06:44:16 PM  

obamadidcoke: 'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?


Nope, I deride people who get paid to go on tv to spout their rhetoric about ruining the planet because of some agenda they have.
 
2011-12-08 06:44:57 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Great Porn Dragon: albuquerquehalsey: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

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Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.

They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.

More properly, they're in a sort of induced insanity thanks to being in a coercive group, but yeah. :P

That's pretty much my fear--they're not going to stop until mom is dead or has her health destroyed (yes, I've known some ex-Quiverfull walkaways who pretty much can't have babies anymore thanks to their mommy parts being destroyed by one too many "births in the name of God" and explicitly against medical advice--at least one had to have her uterus removed thanks to it rupturing which nearly sent her suicidal).

I bet when a woman's entire existence is defined by her ability to make babies, she's emotionally, mentally, and spiritually destroyed when she can't have any more. That's probably a huge part of why Michelle wants to keep making babies.


That pretty much IS it in a nutshell, at least according to ex-Quiverfull folks I've talked to; their whole reason for existence is making babies, and when they can't make babies or raise babies, they have nothing to live for and even their very faith comes into question :P

(Interestingly, it's usually been either the woman being found sterile or having her health wrecked by having so many kids that causes the "crisis of faith" that leads them to walk away.)
 
2011-12-08 06:45:34 PM  
God murdered her fetus. Conservative outrage in 3-2-1- - - - - - Where the f*ck is the conservative outrage???

/Soylent Green stocks soar.
 
2011-12-08 06:45:39 PM  

demonfaerie: Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.


Hmmmm... you might be onto something. Maybe I should draw up some plans for the Spruce Coupe II....
 
2011-12-08 06:46:10 PM  
I've never seen the show and what I know about this family is basically from Fark and Wikipedia. Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled? I've always heard that risk increases with age and statistics aren't in her favor.

Also, the dad's a real estate investor and reportedly can support a family of 20 debt-free. Having known some real estate investors in today's market, this seems highly implausible to me. Do they have another source of funding? I don't know if TLC secures sponsors for the family like they did for the building of their house.
 
2011-12-08 06:47:01 PM  

obamadidcoke: Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.

'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?


Really? You want to play that game?

Obviously God decided that this 20th kid's life wasn't valuable enough.
 
2011-12-08 06:48:22 PM  

granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.
 
2011-12-08 06:49:26 PM  
Having suffered through three miscarriages - yes, it is a tragedy, and no, it's not something that you ever really get over. However. She has nineteen farkin' kids, what the hell did she expect?! It's a miracle that her Baby Jesus Pez Dispenser doesn't simply dangle inside-out between her legs.

/Laughed at the headline.
//If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at?
 
2011-12-08 06:49:27 PM  

safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?


I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.
 
2011-12-08 06:49:37 PM  

granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


Instead of squirting out 20... excuse me, 19 kids of their own, why didn't they just adopt 19 abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted kids?
 
2011-12-08 06:49:58 PM  

Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.


Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .
 
2011-12-08 06:50:24 PM  

Mercutio74: demonfaerie: Damn I thought the acrylic paint would of fixed that.

Hmmmm... you might be onto something. Maybe I should draw up some plans for the Spruce Coupe II....


Dooooo it, make sure a lit of glitter is involved.
 
2011-12-08 06:50:50 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Having suffered through three miscarriages - yes, it is a tragedy, and no, it's not something that you ever really get over. However. She has nineteen farkin' kids, what the hell did she expect?! It's a miracle that her Baby Jesus Pez Dispenser doesn't simply dangle inside-out between her legs.

/Laughed at the headline.
//If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at?


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2011-12-08 06:51:06 PM  
QUICK! Try the biatch for murder!
 
2011-12-08 06:51:21 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: *snert*

+1


Not going search the thread to see if someone said it already, but technically for the story it would be a -1.
 
2011-12-08 06:51:34 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.


The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.
 
2011-12-08 06:51:49 PM  
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fark that family.
 
2011-12-08 06:52:14 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: granolasteak: Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P

Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.

Not all Quiverfull families are into Gothard, true, but there IS plenty of documented evidence that the Duggars are Gothard acolytes:

Info from a pro-Quiverfull site explicitly noting the fact the Duggars are Gothard acolytes
Explicit discussion of the fact the Duggars are Gothardites (including commentary from pro-Quiverfull writers who see Gothard's tactics as profoundly harmful)
Article noting that Jim Duggar likely got recruited into the Gothard cult via an Institute on Biblical Life Principles "financial seminar" (which is a VERY common method of recruitment by the Gothardites)
A whole discussion forum on Gothard and his relationship with the Duggars on Discovery's forum re the Duggars' TLC show--spawned in large part because they have been very open about being Gothardites on the show
Statement re the Duggars' relationship with Bill Gothard from an antidominionist conservative Christian forum (yes, they do exist!)
No less than the National Enquirer has also reported on the relationship between the Duggars and Gothard--including notably pointing out how Gothard runs a coercive group (oddly enough, the National Enquirer does tend to be careful about its sources as they were hit with a lawsuit in the 80s; stuff they've reported on has often been found to be legitimate when followed up by mainline ...


Reading all these links right now, thank you for responding.

I am absolutely sure the Pearls are guilty of multiple murders via their parenting advice, and I'm interested in knowing more about Gothard and his little cult. If indeed the Duggars are abusing their children, then that changes my perspective on how they parent, but not on why they should not be ridiculed for having a large family.

Knowing as many fundamentalist Christians as I do, I know it can be hard for the more peace-loving among them to find a voice or a style when raising their children. There is a presumption that large families mean stricter, more cruel and abusive households, more restrictions regarding privacy and more intent on producing g-dly children (by whatever means necessary).

There are voices for peaceful parenting of large families out there, as obviously you know. Not all large families are of the "Pearl advice" type.

Thanks again for the links.
 
2011-12-08 06:52:24 PM  
GOOD!
 
2011-12-08 06:52:38 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?

I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.


Did you account for the older brother effect in your calculations?

fresnelmusic: Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


I'm sure having a nationally broadcast cable show based on your reproductive prowess helps pay a few bills. Especially since each person would be getting some kind of payment for being on TV. Part of that deal, of course, is that you open your lives to public scrutiny. And whether it's fair or not... they're getting scrutiny.
 
2011-12-08 06:53:00 PM  

fresnelmusic: Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".
 
2011-12-08 06:53:07 PM  

fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


No, they're just whoring their family out to the media.
 
2011-12-08 06:53:52 PM  
On a personal level I feel bad for them and their loss. On the other hand I think the Duggars are incredibly irresponsible and selfish to keep trying for more babies at her age with as many children as they already have. You have 19 kids, it's potentially life threatening for you to continue to have more kids, depriving your existing children of a mother because you love babies is selfish to say nothing of the resources more kids will need. Yes I know your current kids are fine well cared for etc. part of the reason using your older kids to take care of the newbies and in betweens maybe your older kids don't have the lifelong dream of being nannies for their younger siblings, it's selfish that you as a parent expect that of your child. People shouldn't have kids they can't adequately care for and I don't think 2 people can adequately parent 19 kids. Back in the day kids were a resource to exploit. Children are no longer an economic necessity. If you are going to bring more people into the world when bringing those people into the world is completely and totally a choice you need to exercise some judgement about what type life those new people are going to have, not just what you as the bringer in wants. Also they aren't totally supporting those kids either they have government subsidized healthcare as part of Jim Bob's seperation from his state legislative job. Birth defects go up as maternal (and father's although to a lesser degree) age increases. If you are 45 and have just one kid and want another that's a little more defensible although in that age range if you want to have a kid I think ideally you should adopt.
 
2011-12-08 06:54:39 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .

No, they're just whoring their family out to the media.


Exactly. And what is this g-d stuff? Can we not just say God?
 
2011-12-08 06:54:58 PM  

Mercutio74: Mike Chewbacca: safari joe does it again: Does anyone know if any of their other children are developmentally disabled?

I don't think so. That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

Did you account for the older brother effect in your calculations?


What calculations? I totally pulled that number out of my ass. I do know that the number of older brothers a boy has is directly related to his chances of being gay. But I haven't bothered to try and figure that out in this case. I don't actually know how many sons this family has.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:24 PM  

lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.


My money is on some sort of Jonestown scenario.

Or a Lizzie Borden scenario.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:33 PM  

dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.


Twentieth-ed.

My husband worked with one of these people- the husband. His wife also almost died popping out kids. A few co-workers actually took him aside to ask him why they were trying for another when he almost lost her. He seemed genuinely stumped. He figured that -no shiatting you- God was working and that god would take care of it. Many of the co-workers were Christians, and put the question to him that maybe that's not the way it works. What was he going to do if she died- with 5 kids and no family nearby to help.
I swear the man must never have considered it. He actually took the counseling to heart, and actually asked questions about birth control, etc.
He was just uninformed and really dumb. He was a level 11 professional working for the govt. Not a stupid man, he was a good professional, has a degree. Only thing odd, though- she was much younger than he, so it was figured she just fell into what he thought was best. Good on my husband&co-workers, they probably saved her life.

It's baffling what religious belief can do to you. I hope for this particular family, this will wake them up, and they stop. Honestly, that's a farking quiverfull already.
 
2011-12-08 06:55:47 PM  
This time no victory lap on TLC.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:38 PM  

bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?


Not at all. They are hoarders. Instead of cats or tchatchkes, though, they have kids.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:53 PM  

demonfaerie: Dooooo it, make sure a lit of glitter is involved.


I'm worried that the mention of clown car and adding "fabulous" trappings might attract the attention of Ted Haggard. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but my clowns tell me that a meth fuelled evangelists make them nervous.
 
2011-12-08 06:56:56 PM  

Knara: lohphat: Mike Chewbacca: That being said, there's like a 95% chance at least one of their sons will be gay.

The only hope I have is that he gets out before he becomes self-destructive in that zealous environment.

My money is on some sort of Jonestown scenario.

Or a Lizzie Borden scenario.


Christ, can you imagine the length of the poem for that? It would put a Homeric Epic to shame!
 
2011-12-08 06:57:08 PM  

fresnelmusic: Blathering Idjut: granolasteak: This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?

It takes a special kind of skill to turn a thread about these Duggar farktards on it's head and argue that it's really OTHER parents that are irresponsible. Bravo.

Last I checked, the Duggars weren't taking any public assistance and were living out pretty successful lives. Your jealousy of that is palpable. .


so, they don't file a tax return?
 
2011-12-08 06:57:24 PM  

jst3p: I don't call having so many kids you have to outsource the parenting of them to the oldest of the brood "successful".


In all fairness, that is the norm for much of the planet and our collective history.
 
2011-12-08 06:58:03 PM  

DrExplosion: obamadidcoke: Guidette Frankentits: obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.

'Cause you decide which life is valuable and which isn't, right?

Really? You want to play that game?

Obviously God decided that this 20th kid's life wasn't valuable enough.


So which miscarriage do you have sympathy for?
The one after the first child, the second child, the third child, how do you decide?

/there is no God
 
2011-12-08 06:58:11 PM  
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2011-12-08 06:58:28 PM  
Always find it amusing that people will laugh at all kinds of sick humor, tragedy, etc until it hits them personally and then they get all butthurt. First noticed that listening to O&A when some transformer called in upset a