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2011-12-08 06:11:51 PM  

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


And that it's perfectly fine to get married at 19, and to have the women be completely dependent upon the husband.
 
2011-12-08 06:12:11 PM  

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?
 
2011-12-08 06:13:20 PM  
She fumbled that baby.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:23 PM  
INGREDIENTS FOR THIS WOMAN TO MISCARRY: A strong wind and a skirt.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:44 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?



Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


It's a tragedy for you and your wife because she probably hasn't had 19 other kids already. For the Duggars, a miscarriage is a statistic.
 
2011-12-08 06:13:54 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.



While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:12 PM  

cretinbob: God is trying to tell you something, coont.


Done in one.

The whole reason these two nimrods turned her vagoo into a clown car in the first place is because of the first miscarraige which they blamed on the (not entirely effective, apparently) birth control she was taking at the time. They took it as a sign from God that birth control was the Devil's work and to have as many children as possible.

So if miscarraige = sign from God, what's he telling you this time?
 
2011-12-08 06:14:18 PM  

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: I don't take joy in this, But Goddamit, everything wears out if you overuse it.


yeah, i am curious if the rate of miscarriage increases rapidly after x number of pregnancies. eh, it could just be age alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:27 PM  
While I would not wish a miscarriage on anyone, I have to say that when you've been warned that the pregnancy is dangerous, when you've abused your womb by pounding out two baseball teams already, and when you put adherence to a destructive ideology above common sense and medical advice..... well, you've accepted a certain risk there, haven't you?

And I can only wonder how long it'll be before she attempts another.
 
2011-12-08 06:14:55 PM  
When I was 31 my husband and I moved to the country where our only neighbors were Amish. The closest family had 14 kids (and counting) and they were the same age as my husband and myself. We had one child. They since have went on to have several more. I never discussed with her their views on birth control as it seemed they had none. I was struck by the fact that had my parents been of a different faith I could have been her ((shudder)). Just one of those wow moments life gives us.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:15 PM  

1derful:

Or perhaps it isn't harder for them since they define their whole existence upon the Mrs. spewing the contents of her vagina into the public square, they already have 19 children, and that she's also miscarried before.

Your sympathy would be much better spent on the children who are being murdered in Syria, but then again, they don't have their own reality show.


I've been pregnant over half a dozen times and have two living children. Losing a wanted baby does not get easier. End of story.

Also, this thread is about the Duggars. I was commenting on the topic at hand. Just because I feel sympathy for any woman who has lost a pregnancy does not mean I do not care about other tragedies.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:32 PM  
Sorry all, but the loss of a kid is the worst thing that can happen.
Been there/done that Please no joke about the situation.
 
m3h
2011-12-08 06:16:47 PM  

AbbeySomeone: God might be taking her next if she continues to get pregnant. Ridiclous at her age.


That would fix the problem for the future.
 
2011-12-08 06:16:53 PM  

granolasteak: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

This. So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't you all save your vitriol for the parents of THOSE kids, and then go out and SAVE those kids? Why pick on a family who has had a terrible loss and who obviously are very good at providing for their own family?


I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?
 
2011-12-08 06:17:16 PM  

larrimo: Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


While I feel sorry for you and your wife, it was not like they didn't know this was coming. The were told after the complications with #19 that this was dangerous. Now, to say that I don't have pity for them would be lying. But the amount of pity I feel for you and your loss is quite much more exponential than the pity i feel for them. Call me a jerk, if you want.


THIS
 
2011-12-08 06:17:42 PM  

demonfaerie: Well this weird, today I was just painting a uterus clown car. Not kidding.


You have a spray booth big enough to fit a uterus clown car in? Very nice.
 
2011-12-08 06:17:50 PM  
Came for Clevon Family tree, leaving disappoint
 
2011-12-08 06:17:55 PM  

granolasteak: So many children are abused, neglected, underfed, overfed, unloved, unwanted...why can't..they adopt on of those?


FTFY
 
2011-12-08 06:19:05 PM  

Somacandra: Congratulations, Submitter. Do you know who else made fun of people's miscarriages in public?

[i.imgur.com image 200x298]

Being someone who has gone through a stillbirth with my wife, I was looking for some image expressing intense disapproval. But I think far worse is that I can now make a legitimate equivalence between you and Glenn Beck. Hope you're proud of yourself.


They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.
 
2011-12-08 06:19:57 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: But they knew this was a very real possibility, and at some point you have to realize that you can spare yourself pain by not doing stupid things. That includes not getting pregnant for the 21st time at the age of 46. She's lucky she didn't die as well.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:20:00 PM  
Can somebody with time and skill photoshop a damaged clown car and caption it "that'll buff out"? I'd give up my 1st class ticket to hell and sit in coach to see that
 
2011-12-08 06:20:01 PM  
I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:20:12 PM  
And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:06 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: They are not going to stop trying until either she is dead, leaving 19 children w/o a mother. These people are crazy.



QFT

Because god wants more children on an overpopulated planet at the risk of the mother's life.

Crazy is as crazy does.
 
2011-12-08 06:22:43 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.
 
2011-12-08 06:23:37 PM  
i1097.photobucket.com

Happy Britney Spear's Speculum (sic)?
 
2011-12-08 06:23:52 PM  
FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.
 
2011-12-08 06:24:02 PM  

Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.



To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'
 
2011-12-08 06:24:23 PM  

markie_farkie: This seems appropriate (new window)


As does this
 
2011-12-08 06:24:49 PM  

zabadu: We have a religious whacko in our department. According to their religion, it is the ultimate honor to die giving birth. Basically, the child is worth more than the mother, and she can be replaced.

Seriously. That's what they believe.


Well when your sky wizard mandates tithing, how else are you going to increase the bottom line?
 
2011-12-08 06:26:01 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: And I have to say, at some point, Michelle's responsibility for her existing children should exceed her desire for additional babies. If she dies leaving her kids motherless because she couldn't stop herself from making more babies, then she's a bad mom. But then I'm a bit biased, because my grandmother died when my mom was only six. So maybe I have a bit of a better understanding about how traumatizing the death of a parent to a young child can be.


True enough. If your desire to produce warriors for god trumps your desire to parent your existing kids, I'm questioning your thought process.
 
2011-12-08 06:26:06 PM  

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:27:08 PM  
mediaho: I shouldn't know who these people are.
 
2011-12-08 06:27:12 PM  
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2011-12-08 06:27:12 PM  

radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.


I have a lot more respect for these people.
http://www.debolts.com/history.html
 
2011-12-08 06:27:30 PM  

mjoven1975: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.

Well adjusted with the exception that they've been raised to believe that having 19 kids is okay.


Yeah, and I'm sure if I suggested that gay people raising kids were weird or a reason for public ridicule, Id get my rear handed to me on fark. I bet people would wonder why I care so much about other people's families when they seem to be doing fine, and I'm sure they'd suggest it unethical and backward that I place judgment on the choices that other people make. In fact, farkers might even wonder if was even healthy that I take such an interest in the family structure of complete strangers, and is there some kind of mental hangup characterized by putting too much thought into the sexual and reprodctive activities of other people?

Having babies is painful, expensive, time consuming and a life long commitment. Hate to break it to you guys, but having 1 kid doesn't make a whole hella of a lotta sense either.
 
2011-12-08 06:28:29 PM  

misanthropic1: I hate kids, I hate radical right wing christians, and I especially hate radical right wing christians trying to out-breed the rest of us heathens for political purposes; is it really that difficult to understand the general reaction on fark of all places?


Well, as an atheist, homeschooling, former EMT/Firefighting mom of MANY children, yes, I think it's odd that you can't see many points of view on Fark.

Fark is not your personal political site. It's here to share ideas, and sometimes laugh at silliness in the world. ("We don't make news, we mock it.")

HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.
 
2011-12-08 06:29:37 PM  

lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT


Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:00 PM  
Has anyone mentioned how much of a glorious bastard subby is for the headline, yet?
 
2011-12-08 06:31:21 PM  
If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.

This is brutally sad for these people.

I hope that you snarky biatches never have to go through anything as awful as loosing a child, because you douches couldn't handle it.
 
2011-12-08 06:31:48 PM  

granolasteak: HOWEVER, when it gets serious, when a baby dies or a fetus is lost or a child is run over by a car or a TFer passes away, we put away the snark and get serious.

If you're too immature to realize that the loss of this baby was no less real to them than a fetus in the 2nd trimester would be to your mother, sister, or partner, then we have nothing else to say to one another.


Well. Bye.

/father who knows the difference between tragedy and self-inflicted vain stupidty
 
2011-12-08 06:32:02 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: lohphat: radarlove: FURTHERMORE, if these assholes really wanted to be living a Godly life in Christ's image, they'd be ADOPTING unwanted, unloved, and disadvantaged children instead of trying to selfishly BREED A farkING ARMY.

QFT

Agreed. My mom (who lost her mom at 6) has a friend who, although she and her husband already had 3 kids, they adopted four brothers whose parents died in a car crash. So this Christian family raised 7 kids, 4 of them not even their own. THAT'S a good Christian.


Q'ingFT the QFT
 
2011-12-08 06:32:22 PM  

granolasteak: Great Porn Dragon: bulldg4life: These people are friends with the other family that has 20 kids, right?

Am I the only one that thinks the parents have some weird mental disease causing them to obsess about having kids and/or compete with other families on who has more kids?

Worse--both of the families with 19-20 kids are part of a "Bible-based" coercive religious movement known as the "Quiverfull Movement" who literally believe that the sole purpose of women in the world is to breed as many "God Warriors" (to be Jesus Camped as kids) as possible. (The "Quiverfull" groups tend to be Christian Reconstructionists at that, and also would like to institute a bastardised form of Levitican law as their equivalent of sharia nationwide.)

Even worse--these families tend to be minor epicenters of religiously motivated child abuse, which is often a systemic part of the "Quiverfull" movement and mindset; the Duggars, in particular, are linked with "Bible-based abuse" promoter and cult leader Bill Gothard--who, incidentially, is ALSO linked to the murder-suicide of Matthew Murray (who was raised in a Gothardite home and eventually snapped).

/full disclosure--supporter of a support group for women who are walkaways from the Quiverfull movement
//same group is working on setting up an NGO to help women who want to escape Quiverfull coercive groups
///worries deeply for the Duggar kids and anyone else stuck in that cult movement :P

Quiverfull does NOT have to mean that women are ONLY for childbearing. It certainly can mean (and does, to many Quiverfull families) that they accept any child G-d sends them, without birth control. Many families help regulate their childbearing with breastfeeding as birth control and consider that sanctioned by g-d.

(Note: I am an atheist, but as a homeschooling mom of many, I know a LOT of Quiverfull families).

Not all Quiverfull families are interested in Gothard's teaching. All I saw in your links was that 1) Gothard teaches QF families to harshly raise up their children, and that 2) the Duggars are QF. That does not make the Duggars supporters of Gothard.

There are more, many more, terribly abusive "Bible-based" systems of child rearing than just Gothard's methods. The Pearls, for example, are expert at teaching parents how to hit infants so they'll sit still out of fear.

Linking the Duggars with Gothard, or with abuse, is disingenuous and does not help your cause (which I firmly believe has a place...many of those women ARE downtrodden and abused, but Michele Duggar does not seem to be one of them).

I'd be interested in any information you might have that DOES firmly link the Duggars with Gothard and his methods, and not just that they are a QF family and he is a QF advocate.


Not all Quiverfull families are into Gothard, true, but there IS plenty of documented evidence that the Duggars are Gothard acolytes:

Info from a pro-Quiverfull site explicitly noting the fact the Duggars are Gothard acolytes
Explicit discussion of the fact the Duggars are Gothardites (including commentary from pro-Quiverfull writers who see Gothard's tactics as profoundly harmful)
Article noting that Jim Duggar likely got recruited into the Gothard cult via an Institute on Biblical Life Principles "financial seminar" (which is a VERY common method of recruitment by the Gothardites)
A whole discussion forum on Gothard and his relationship with the Duggars on Discovery's forum re the Duggars' TLC show--spawned in large part because they have been very open about being Gothardites on the show
Statement re the Duggars' relationship with Bill Gothard from an antidominionist conservative Christian forum (yes, they do exist!)
No less than the National Enquirer has also reported on the relationship between the Duggars and Gothard--including notably pointing out how Gothard runs a coercive group (oddly enough, the National Enquirer does tend to be careful about its sources as they were hit with a lawsuit in the 80s; stuff they've reported on has often been found to be legitimate when followed up by mainline non-tabloid press)
Discussion by Vyckie Garrison, an ex-Quiverfull walkaway, on the relationship with the Duggars and Gothard (of note: Vyckie used to be one of the big names in the Quiverfull movement before she walked away, and now operates the No Longer Quivering walkaway forum)

Or if that's not good enough, how about from the Duggars themselves?

Internet Archive post from the Duggars' own site where they're explicitly promoting Gothard (this, along with Wikipedia entries re Gothard and the Duggars, were expurgated when it came out that Gothard is a major promoter of religiously motivated domestic abuse; fortunately, Internet Archive and Wikipedia history hold the unexpurgated versions)
More Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion from the Duggars (including, among other things, promotion of the Gothard "homeschool" program--considered so educationally insufficient that some state boards consider kids educated with this program alone to be legally truant)
And still more Internet Archive links showing Gothard promotion by the Duggars (this time, in "Faith Building Tools")

(Of note: the Duggar family's website seems to have gone largely flash-based as of 2011, but you can STILL see promotion of Bill Gothard material on the present website by mousing over the "Family Favorites" link--which includes links to the Gothardite "Basic Life Principles Seminar". So this isn't a case where they've recently walked away.)

I do not make the statement they're involved with the Gothard cult lightly, and not without a fair amount of evidence--a goodly part of it from the horse's mouth, at that.

(Now, it's also my opinion that Quiverfull as a movement and completely aside from Gothard is also an inherently abusive movement, but Gothard is one of the prime examples of its abusiveness (along with Michael and Debi Pearl and THEIR little religiously motivated domestic abuse "advice" empire that has led to multiple deaths). But that may be something we have to agree to disagree on.)
 
2011-12-08 06:32:58 PM  

obamadidcoke: If this happened to a farker you jerk offs would be offering up sympathetic posts.


If a Farker had 19 biological kids then they would not be getting anything from me.
 
2011-12-08 06:33:38 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Sounds like she ignored the "Check Uterus" light.


I gasped. I. Actually. Gasped.

/then I laaauuughed...
 
2011-12-08 06:33:57 PM  

jbuist: Around 20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. She's had two out of 21 pregnancies. That's 9.5%.

She's batting well above average.


Actually she's only had 19 pregnancies. There are 2 sets of twins in there.
 
2011-12-08 06:34:00 PM  

dogette: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: First, that's a tragedy. Second, fark you People magazine for making an article out of it. Third, stop it already.

Seconded.


Second removed... 19 is enough.
Don't question gods motives
 
2011-12-08 06:34:12 PM  
Are they on welfare or any other kind of public assistance? No? Then shut the fark up and leave them alone.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:28 PM  

Persnickety: Nishu: I like these folks. There kids are happy, healthy, and well adjusted, even. If I want to get all uppity about someone having kids, Ill save it for people who suck as parents.


To play devil's advocate, how do we know for sure that all is serene and calm in the Duggar house? Something tells me they have quite a lot of editorial control over what we do or do not get to see on TV. I mean, at any given time there's a whole battery of little kids and toddlers in the house yet we never see any fights or temper tantrums or the defiance that inevitably comes with those ages. Instead, all we ever see yes mommy, yes daddy, please and thank you and oh-isn't-everything-wonderful. It's the friggin Stepford Family. Maybe in reality it's more like Mommie Dearest instead.

/just sayin'


Two words: Peer pressure.

It works both ways.
 
2011-12-08 06:35:33 PM  
Smited.

You dun broke da oven.
 
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