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(SacBee)   Farmer's market crasher has yet to be charged, five claims against city dropped.   (sacbee.com) divider line 57
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2003-10-09 04:29:00 PM  
Instead of sueing the city for neglect for lacking barriers, I'd sue for neglect because they let Oldie McGee go so long without needing to take another drivers test.

My grandma (who's never drove) when my mom suggested she learn to drive: They should be taking licenses away from people my age, not giving them licenses!
 
2003-10-09 04:45:37 PM  
Maybe he and O.J. can get together on the golf course and find "the REAL market crasher"..
 
2003-10-09 04:46:39 PM  
stupid coffin dodgers
 
2003-10-09 04:46:54 PM  
10 killed?

Strike!
or a spare.

//..in a handbasket.
 
2003-10-09 04:47:53 PM  
HAHA ! You all can't pin this guy's bad driving on Grand Theft Auto ! Hopefully, the next game WILL have a farmer's market for me to drive thru. I heard a rumor that the next one will take place in Vegas. I'd buy that for a dollar.
 
2003-10-09 04:49:27 PM  
"I haven't seen a market crash that bad since '29."

[/promotes the veal, suggests gratuities be given to wait staff]
 
2003-10-09 04:49:34 PM  
Maybe he was trying to hit all of the monks at once.
 
2003-10-09 04:50:06 PM  
Why not sue the state of California for letting this guy drive? Seriously.
 
2003-10-09 04:51:23 PM  
For lack of barriers? So if someone ran a red light & killed someone it would be the cities fault becaue the light was ineffective at stopping him?
 
2003-10-09 04:51:56 PM  
The city's comparatively greater economic resources make it a more likely target for litigation, attorneys said.

This is exactly what's wrong with the farking legal system. Goddamn greedy lawyers and goddamn greedy snoots who already have too much money so why not spend some of it on lawyers to fark more people out of their money.
 
2003-10-09 04:52:53 PM  
Aren't these Farmer's Markets usually held in a street or lot where cars are normally permitted, but is temporarily cordoned off for the duration of the event?

Obviously the city should have foreseen a need to erect 2-ton concrete barriers each time the street needs to be closed off.

/sarcasm
 
2003-10-09 04:53:11 PM  
Sonia Moriel, 34, filed a claim with the city seeking $500 to pay for acupuncture for leg injuries

How Californian.
 
2003-10-09 04:53:24 PM  
*"I'll bet he was some kind of liberal democrat."

(Actual quote from short, bald, over-compensating, rabid concervative republican co-worker)
 
2003-10-09 04:53:31 PM  
Get the fogeys off the road
 
2003-10-09 04:53:55 PM  
The claims were not DROPPED, they were DENIED.

Dropped = "never mind, we don't want money anymore."

Denied = "we want money." "no."
 
2003-10-09 04:54:11 PM  
Oh, and to the submitter - the claims weren't dropped, they were rejected. Now come the lawsuits.
 
2003-10-09 04:54:15 PM  
He'd bet WHO was some kind of liberal Democrat? The plaintiff? The lawyer? The driver?
 
2003-10-09 04:56:08 PM  
It would have been much more entertaining if had hit the people at the farmer's market with some kind of farm implement...maybe even Ironic?
 
2003-10-09 04:58:59 PM  
The city has much deeper pockets than the old dude, hence the suits.

Heavy traffic barriers around the Farmer's Market? Gee, that sounds festive.
 
2003-10-09 04:59:15 PM  
The city's failure to install motion activated laser cannons is clearly reason to sue.
 
2003-10-09 04:59:57 PM  
He hasn't been charged with a crime YET? He killed 10 people and injured many through his negligence.

Cops must think it's cheaper to wait for him to die of natural causes and try to forget the whole thing.

I don't think the victims and their familys are going to forget anytime soon.

This is 100% the old dude's fault, bury him alive.
 
2003-10-09 05:00:16 PM  
I see this kind of thing happen on the golf course a lot. Guys has a few beers, tries to drive the golf cart from the passenger seat and accidently hits the gas instead of the brakes.
 
2003-10-09 05:00:19 PM  
Has anyone even thought about all the fruit that was destroyed in this fiasco? Think of the oranges, apples and peaches. Oh the humanity.
 
2003-10-09 05:02:48 PM  
MFinn

For lack of barriers? So if someone ran a red light & killed someone it would be the cities fault becaue the light was ineffective at stopping him?

I think that's why the claims were denied. Simple logic. Oops. This is California. A simple lapse of insanity?

/former Californian
 
2003-10-09 05:04:45 PM  
ggecko: Ah, they have lots of fruits in California.

/self-hating fruit
 
2003-10-09 05:05:35 PM  
In the meantime, cities should start erecting barriers around sidewalks to keep the cars out as well.
 
2003-10-09 05:05:56 PM  
The_Budge - The city's comparatively greater economic resources make it a more likely target for litigation, attorneys said.

This is exactly what's wrong with the farking legal system. Goddamn greedy lawyers and goddamn greedy snoots who already have too much money so why not spend some of it on lawyers to fark more people out of their money.


Absolutely.

Case in point, the LA Riots, after the Rodney King verdict. There was mayhem in the streets. Reginald Denney was dragged out of his truck and hit in the heat with a brick, etc. And it was caught on tape. So sick to see one person do that to another.

Reginald Denney at the trial of the ones that did this act to him, "Can't we all get along" in their defense in order to forgive, heal the rift and move forward.

More than I would have done, I was impressed in his compassion and focus on the big picture.

The mother-farker Denney turns around and sues the shiat out of the state of California for allowing this to happen to him.

He was dragged out of his truck at a stop light and had the crap beat out of him in broad daylight by an individual.

And do you know why he sues the state?

The city's comparatively greater economic resources make it a more likely target for litigation, attorneys said.

The white-trash lottery.



/lock your doors when driving
 
2003-10-09 05:07:25 PM  
I think that's why the claims were denied. Simple logic. Oops. This is California. A simple lapse of insanity?

Nah, it's because the victims won't get any compensation from the old guy's insurance. So they turn to the City instead. I'm not saying it's right...but I understand.
 
2003-10-09 05:07:27 PM  
The lesson? If you want to kill 10 people and be home in time for Oprah, wait until you are old
 
2003-10-09 05:09:13 PM  
Big Jake Uhmm... initially, the old man, however I'm sure "they're all a bunch of democrates!"

(MODS: NOT a thread jack, just stupified and frustrated by having to tollerate this guy.)
 
2003-10-09 05:09:56 PM  
Zeromyhero

No kidding, right? I'm making a shiat list as we speak...if you're on it you can expect to get run down by a giant white Caddy in 2063.
 
2003-10-09 05:20:13 PM  
EH they should just take their pound of flesh from the old guy. Literally.
 
2003-10-09 05:21:18 PM  
The authorities are hesitant to bring charges against this elderly man because it would open up a whole can of worms regarding the "right" to drive. Remember, the 55 and up demographic is a very large and powerful voting block. The AARP has a HUGE lobby effort that also helps to keep legislation restricting older drivers off the books. -- Probably the RV industry, too, for that matter.

If the government starts taking away elderly dirver's licenses, then they'll have to start addressing funding for alternative transportation. We'll all have to start thinking more seriously about how we neglect our responsibilty to our elderly relatives.
 
2003-10-09 05:22:44 PM  
Police are still investigating and now say they anticipate deciding whether to charge Weller by later this month. WTF?? Is this guy the mayor's grandfather or something?

In related news, the Santa Monica fire dept announced that a 4-alarm blaze is consuming a downtown shopping mall. They are investigating and anticipate deciding by next week whether to put it out.
 
2003-10-09 05:23:53 PM  
10 killed, 69 injured and this guy gets his license revoked!? Hly crap man he sounds like a terrorist to me. That car should be considered a WMD. We need to go liberate him and the rest of the old folks.
 
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2003-10-09 05:24:20 PM  
Didn't they come up with pictures of the old man's car up on a brick wall a year or two before the "accident". My money is on the victims sueing the family for negligence.
 
2003-10-09 05:25:21 PM  
Big Orange Cat: You make an excellent point. But the law can't be stymied by the perceived consequences of applying it. That's a slippery slope no one want's to tread. "Can't convict black people - they might get violent!"

As for my grandma? She's not neglected. I keep her strapped to the bed at all times - safe and sound. ;-)
 
2003-10-09 05:25:53 PM  
Stupid farking people. They think the city is a great economic resource to sue. The city gets its money from the taxpayers not from some special money tree like the national goverment. If you sue the city then you are suing yourself(if you live there) or the people that pay the taxes and work in the business'. $500 for acupuncture from a falling table? take that women out and beat her with a fish until she gets her head out of her a$$. The man who caused the accident(the old dude) should be brought up on negligent homicide charges and should be made to pay for actions somehow. He caused it and he is liable for all the deaths and injuries. he shouldnt have been driving at all. My grandmother is 79 and has bad eyes, she told us she didnt want to drive anymore(a few years ago when it started with the eyes) because she didnt want to hurt anyone on the road. If the elderly wernt so damn stubborn we would be safer in farmers markets, parking lots and Florida. Make the old guy burn in a pit while throwing fruit at him. Stupid old man doesnt know when to stop now people are dead. buttfarker...


/off to stew a little more
 
2003-10-09 05:27:04 PM  
Oh yah, and I hope california like s there new stupid governator....

/moving to the moon
 
2003-10-09 05:28:35 PM  
We can buy them all Little Rascal scooters:

http://www.worldslowestprices.com/Rascal-Scooters.html#Indoor/Outdoor%203-Whee lers


Don't make it a elderly person license issue for now, but make a vehicular homicide(x10) issue. Then if the cause is found that he was unfit to drive, then take his license away.



/I'm a little rascal, on my Little Rascal Scooter"
 
2003-10-09 05:29:50 PM  
The old folks don't have the right to put the rest of us in a pine box before they arrive in their own.
 
2003-10-09 05:31:21 PM  
Gosh Big Orange Cat, I guess a homeless gay veteran with a car would pretty much have carte blanche in Santa Monica, wouldn't he?

The guy drove through a street market and killed or wounded dozens of people. No matter how old he is, charging him with wreckless driving is just a matter of course. It's not "taking away elderly driver's licenses," and it wouldn't open up a can of worms any more than arresting a 90-year-old for hijacking an airplane.
 
2003-10-09 05:33:40 PM  
Some lady wanted the city to pay for her acupuncture- right. And I want the city to pay for my psychic too. Seriously, pay for your own religious bullshiat and leave the rest of our tax dollars out of it.
 
2003-10-09 05:37:19 PM  
There might be a slight civil case against the state for letting the old weasel have a license. It wasn't his first mishap. I don't like lawsuits, but this one might be positive - giving the states a little political cover to start denying licenses to geezers.

As for folks suing the city for not putting up a fortress around the market - they are ALL PIGS.
 
2003-10-09 05:37:58 PM  
Wow, the gubernment can just dismiss claims against them?

Those who make the rules, can break the rules...

not that I think they are warrented, but, wow, what a good scam...how can I get into this "gobernment"?
 
2003-10-09 05:44:23 PM  
2003-10-09 05:33:40 PM Northern


Some lady wanted the city to pay for her acupuncture- right. And I want the city to pay for my psychic too. Seriously, pay for your own religious bullshiat and leave the rest of our tax dollars out of it.


Here comes the science.

Dude, acupunture is not religon, its medical. Some people say it works, and some dont, but there is no god in it. Numbnuts.
 
2003-10-09 05:46:42 PM  
I work about 50 feet from where this happened. Here's what people have proposed...instead of 2 ton concrete barriers...removable steel poles, about 4 feet tall, 2 of which are above ground.

Farmer's market runs perpendicular to 3rd Street Promenade, which isn't a street at all. It's a bunch of shops and restaurants that you walk down. At each crossing where the promenade intersects a street, these barriers exist. If city vehicles need to come down the promenade, they remove the barriers. If these would've been installed at either end of the actual roadway that the market is on, this would've been avoided.

Just a bit of insight...
 
2003-10-09 05:48:45 PM  
serutan & Diogenes, I appreciate your idealism when it comes to the application of law in this country, but the truth is, many cases ARE influenced by politics, even when they involve heinous crimes like this one. From the mayor's office to the prosecutor to the jury, many cases have been decided based on the person's age, race, religion -- sometimes with more severe punishment, sometimes with more leniency, because there is a perceived larger "issue" that those in positions of authority don't want to get out of control. As much as I'd like to think justice is blind, there are other influences at work.
 
2003-10-09 05:55:57 PM  
Is there a GTA3 or Vice City skin for this guy? Oh and you would need to find a Crown Victoria or a Caddy Brougham. Is there a farmer's market in Vice City?
 
2003-10-09 05:56:09 PM  
Rostit: The city gets its money from the taxpayers not from some special money tree like the national goverment.
The government has a money tree? Where?

I was already embarrassed to live in CA after Ahnuld got elected, now I'm ashamed to be in Santa Monica:
Sonia Moriel, 34, filed a claim with the city seeking $500 to pay for acupuncture for leg injuries she said were suffered when a falling table knocked her over during the July 16 tragedy.
Could she be any more of a CA stereotype? Lets see: sues when something minor happens to her - check. Sues whoever has the most money, rather than who is at fault - check. Thinks acupuncture will fix her leg - check.

"The city of Santa Monica has not come forth and taken any responsibility for this at all," Moriel said.
No dear, thats because ITS NOT THEIR FAULT. Asshat.
 
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