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wolfzr2: Hearing that a VT Police Officer is shot, possibly killed via local media. ( WDBJ )

No wonder cops don't like reporters.

You watch, they're going to find out that the suspect is a fortune-telling midget, and he's going to get away.

Tomorrow's headline:

SMALL MEDIUM AT LARGE

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wow. So am I the only one who is finding spentmiles hilarious or do each and every one of you have sand in their craw?

/step 1: locate craw



Not craw. CRAW

I was worried no one would connect that with Get Smart. But this is why I love you. :)

valar_morghulis: TsukasaK: valar_morghulis: Do me a favor and blow me.

You can't afford it. You're right.

You're only human; it's only natural that hatred got the better of you. :)

Nah. You gotta understand, I've had some unfavorable dealings with cops (lies, manipulation, quasi-illegal behavior.. this goes well above and beyond a simple traffic ticket, smartass).

Yes yes I'm sure you'll say that whatever the cop did was justified and I had whatever treatment I had coming. But then again, you know nothing of the circumstances.

I hate cops. I don't know yet if that's a personality flaw or completely justified on my part, but recent news makes it look more and more that it's completely justified.

smooshie: Police are interested in a maroon Mitsubishi car, not sure if that is suspect

If he did it all from a car and drove away, killing anyone who might have gotten his license plate, he may just escape.

/Month long media circus incoming

itsfullofstars: Based on what I'm hearing from the media, if you are carrying a weapon, wearing a badge and wearing anything more than a tie you are "SWAT".

this would never happen at colorado state university since a few students here and there have cc's and can shoot back.

/colorado FTW.

Relatively Obscure: Cussin' Black Guy At Large!

And a fast-moving Volkswagen.

Mandatory gear for V-Tech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9vKFMIzZc

I wonder if this is the same guy they were looking for in Radford yesterday that stole the SUV. http://articles.wdbj7.com/2011-12-07/vehicle_30488397

Minus the weapon, unless the user is trained and has a permit

halfof33: spentmiles: OH NOW WOULD YOU JUST GIVE ME ONE GOD DAMN BREAK FOR A SECOND?

Bastard just emerged from boiler, now on fire and really really mad!

It's like an impossible combination of mad-man and fire!

But how many ways?! (n!) / k!(n - .... wait... is it minus or plus ...) AAARRGGHHH!! I almost want to let him continue rampaging so they HAVE to let us skip tomorrow's finals.

Yikes, dude, you are getting to be the poster boy for trying too hard



Too many people praised him in another thread and he let it get to his head.

Relatively Obscure: Leeds: Interestingly, when I went to college we were allowed to have guns on campus.

We were allowed to have them anywhere on campus, but we had to check them in with Public Safety overnight if we lived in dorms.

So say I wanted to go shooting some Thursday, all I needed to do was go to Public Safety Thursday morning, check out the guns I wanted to use, then all I had to do was check them back in before I went to bed.

It was a simple system and it worked very well. And there were no (read that ZERO) shootings on campus the whole time I was there.

Virginia Tech has outlawed gun possession on campus, correct? I would urge them to change their policy since it seems that too many people are being killed because of it.

"Correlation vs Causation image"

Technically you are correct, good sir. It is not the fact that my University was gun friendly that kept people from shooting at us. But if someone was stupid enough to shoot at us the chances of one of us shooting back would have been high.

The idea that you might face someone returning fire is a motivating factor that could keep people from shooting in the first place. Just like the death penalty is a motivating factor for not murdering people.

Does the death penalty reduce the number of murders in the US? My money is on "yes" but I cannot say that for sure. Could the prospect of someone shooting back at you keep you from starting a gunfight? Again, my money is on "yes."

smooshie: [i.imgur.com image 640x368]

Guy who was briefly apprehended, then released. Would freak me the f*ck out.

where are you getting these pictures?
where are you getting your news from, too... the radio feed i'm getting isn't telling much...

It's clear to me that Virginia Tech needs to hire a good Mall Ninja. (new window)

CornDog in 2012: News is reporting 3rd person was a midget thus doesn't qualify as a full person

Is not amused

So is Fark broken? Can't get to page 13 of the thread.

utah dude: this would never happen at colorado state university since a few students here and there have cc's and can shoot back.

/colorado FTW.

Like i said before, how do you know who to shoot when everyone around you suddenly starts shooting? It's easy to identify the gunman when he's the only one with a gun, but you screw that up completely when everyone has one.

/It ain't like the movies

I really wish people would stop shooting up my alma mater.

Also, anyone trying to turn this into a political thing on any side of whatever farking pet issue you have can go fark yourself with a rusty poker.

Seriously, get your priorities in order, farksticks.

"Oh Hooray! Dead People! Now's my chance to further a pet political issue!"

Go fark yourself.

VT briefing http://www.wdbj7.com/news/livestreaming/ Link

ArcadianRefugee: Assholes or not, thought, celebrating the death of one randomly is stupid.

I agree completely. That's why my level of care when a cop dies is "meh". Celebrating anyone's death is a bit strange (even Bin Laden).

I literally do not have it in me to care. I'm not even being a smartass here. I physically can not do it.

Marine1: So is Fark broken? Can't get to page 13 of the thread.

Mine was doing the same thing, click "view all"

Something's done gone broke

umad: Weaver95: so nobody really knows what's going on here, do they?

No, but I'm pretty sure the GOP would make incidents like this common-place if they get their way.

/amidoingitrite?

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Muta: This wouldn't happen if there were more gun on campus.

So you're saying there should only be one gun on campus, but that it should be a very large one?

Call down to the Athletics department, they'll get you the hook up.

Meet "Skipper".

booksmart: soporific:
Those anti-gun measures will not protect you one bit from an idiot student who wants to shoot the place up. In fact, your nightmare scenario is more likely to occur at a school that bans guns than allows them. Statistically speaking, you are in more danger from guns at your school than you would be at one that allowed concealed carry.

As someone with a concealed carry license, I take issue with this logic.

At best, less than 20% of the average college population is 21 or over, and thus legal to carry. Of that 20%, I'd say, on a national average, that maybe 10-15% would conceal carry (and I'm probably weighing that to the heavy side - maybe not, but it'd be good survey material).

Meaning you're looking at approximately 2-3% of your student population having a concealed carry weapon. On a campus of 36,000 students, that's 720 people (obviously not including local and campus PD).

The odds of some armed loon running into one of those 720 are *probably* pretty slim, depending on the size of the campus.

In short, I don't see it as making a big difference either way.

VT - stay safe folks, and good luck.

That's not the basis of my claim. I merely pointed out that so far there have been 0 shooting deaths on any campus with concealed carry (iirc) while there HAVE been shootings on campuses without it, including this latest tragic example. Thus the argument that you are safer on a concealed carry campus.

But you do raise a valid argument about whether conealed carry would be effective against a school shooter. And while I am pro gun, I agree that concealed carry on campus would have a slim percent chance of actually stopping a shooter. After all, the Arizoner nutbag was stopped by unarmed bystanders, who were then almost shot by the guy with concealed carry. This is a debate I'm glad to have, because having a concealed firearm doesn't automatically put you in the right place at the right time, nor does it make you an expert marksman, nor does it make you cool under pressure.

That all being said, the best example is still Appalachian State, when armed students managed to avert a school shooting. And while we've had plenty of close calls when it comes to concealed carry, I don't think we've had an incident in which an armed civilian was shot by police or another civilian with concealed carry.

Welp... looks like occupy will have to step their game up if they want to be back in he news before st patricks day...

moonscatter: Lsherm: moonscatter: I have a serious question for you concealed carry supporters. Why do you assume someone nearby having a concealed carry permit would make a difference? What obligation does the person with a CCW have to intervene and shoot back?

Not that I care about CC, but why assume they wouldn't? It just opens up a possibility that someone could intervene.

Of course, then we get into accidental shootings, the chance the CC holder shoots the wrong person or is shot by the cops, etc.

The accidental shooting thing I worry about or, honestly, the CCW being hurt or killed because as far as I know, CCW training does not include how to handle ilve shooting situations, such as are given to police officers and the military.

Having been in the military and gone shooting with a bunch of cops I think you're worrying overmuch. There are stats out there that compare the average number of shots fired per incidents that involve police and the number of shots fired per concealed carrier and if I recall the police don't come out at all favorably (sorry, I'm too lazy to google the citation for you). Just because you're in the military or are a cop doesn't mean you're a fan of firearms. A significant number of both only ever shoot the once or twice a year that they have to to qualify and no more, in comparison the typical concealed carrier shoots monthly and many are involved in shooting sports that are effective in training people to shoot moving targets under stress. On top of that the crime rate for people with concealed carry permits is actually lower than that of police officers, so there's that.

On top of that I always thought it was painfully ironic that when I was still in the military most of the time I was not allowed to carry and in fact worked in a huge "gun free zone". Frankly I wasn't all that surprised when the Ft Hood shooting happened, not long before I got to Ft Bragg a guy started shooting from a hill at a couple of hundred soldiers out doing morning PT and was taken down only because a group of SF guys happened to be running past and they took him down unarmed.

Concealed carry is legal in my state on campuses and you don't hear any problems about it, other than the fact that colleges would still expel you if they found out your were carrying legally which I think is a pretty hypocritical coming from institutions who take public money.

I understand that there might be valid concerns about safe weapons storage in a dorm environment but if you commute to school or live off campus and you can legally carry a firearm I think it should be illegal for a campus to expel you for it.

Leeds: The idea that you might face someone returning fire is a motivating factor that could keep people from shooting in the first place.

You mean like the cop who he shot and killed first?

Campus police are real police and they carry guns.

Please stop using my University's tragedy to further your political causes.

Alyna_jf: Marine1: So is Fark broken? Can't get to page 13 of the thread.

Mine was doing the same thing, click "view all"

Page 13 disappeared as the Mods went into overdrive.

Radio: Suspicious red firebird in parking garage heh.

Leeds: Interestingly, when I went to college we were allowed to have guns on campus.

We were allowed to have them anywhere on campus, but we had to check them in with Public Safety overnight if we lived in dorms.

So say I wanted to go shooting some Thursday, all I needed to do was go to Public Safety Thursday morning, check out the guns I wanted to use, then all I had to do was check them back in before I went to bed.

It was a simple system and it worked very well. And there were no (read that ZERO) shootings on campus the whole time I was there.

Virginia Tech has outlawed gun possession on campus, correct? I would urge them to change their policy since it seems that too many people are being killed because of it.

What are you talking about? Are you assuming people are targeting the school because of their strict gun policies, which are legally theirs to make? How would having an open carry campus stop crazy (or perhaps desperate) people from committing these crimes?

Your logic is completely flawed. You have anecdotal evidence from personal experience that you are trying to apply as a generalization. There are plenty of campuses, both with open carry rules and without, that haven't seen a campus shooting.