Eddie Adams from Torrance: Rangel is an asshat, but he's correct on this.

Instituting a draft would be the 2nd most effective way to keep us from getting into unnecessary wars.
The most effective thing would be to start executing war profiteers.

If you draft females.
Don't and you face a sexual discrimination suit.

Take the 18 years old girls off to war.
See how long your war machine lasts now, big brother.

Rep. Charlie Rangel (Derp-N.Y.)

He's such an ethical individual ...

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Rangel is an asshat, but he's correct on this.

Instituting a draft would be the 2nd most effective way to keep us from getting into unnecessary wars.
The most effective thing would be to start executing war profiteers.

Only the draft prevented us from being sucked into Korea or Vietnam. Putting all the rich kids on the front lines while poor kids got college deferments really helped.

Hahahahah, I actually wouldn't mind this. It would be hilarious.

Send the kardashians to the front lines. Put salena gomez in the mountains of afghanistan.

Hell this would be a great way to clean house and get rid of America's garbage

Agree with his point, disagree with his solution.

Alternative suggestion: reinstate the draft, but only for young men whose parents make $250,000 or more/year.

Chuck you, Farlie.

If you OWS is bad, just imagine the protests if they ask us to fight this bullshiat war.

It won't change the demographics, but it will end a lot of political careers.

MasterThief: "In the course of his [General Westmoreland's] testimony, he made the statement that he did not want to command an army of mercenaries. I stopped him and said, 'General, would you rather command an army of slaves?' He drew himself up and said, 'I don't like to hear our patriotic draftees referred to as slaves.' I replied, 'I don't like to hear our patriotic volunteers referred to as mercenaries.'" - Milton Friedman

Sorry, you corrupt old asshole, America's youth don't belong to the government anymore. You want them to fight for you? You've gotta make it worth their while. That means not turning them into cannon fodder. ("Although draftees were only a small minority (16 percent) in the American armed forces, they made up the bulk of the infantry riflemen in Vietnam (88 percent by 1969) and accounted for more than half the army's battle deaths.")

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violentsalvation: Rangel has been calling for the draft for AT LEAST 10 years, probably longer. It used to be about race, now he includes all poor people.

Was just about to say this. Rangel is a nationalist through and through, although I think his draft position is just an extension of the American liberal's philosophy regarding legal enforcement towards utilitarian goals chosen by an elected elite.

Is he really wrong, though? We might be less likely to vote for war-mongers if there was a chance our own kids would get drafted.

Rangel's been proposing this for 8 years. It only got 2 votes in 2004, and one of the 2 (Murtha) is no longer with us.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Instituting a draft would be the 2nd most effective way to keep us from getting into unnecessary wars

(except for Vietnam)

Getting more than an authorization is another way to keep America out of unnecessary wars. Or mandating a max period for an authorization with the option to extend it if need be (like if it were actually vital).

it used to be a privilege and a great opportunity to live in America. The Draft was arguably a worthy price. Now, not so much. Plenty of countries with more freedom and more opportunity.

I love America, but I'm sorry it's true.

I suppose 'get some tarnish on those silver spoons' doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Honestly, these are the kinds of Democrats who need to be voted out of office.

It's really time for America to start openly questioning the Military Industrial Complex fetish we've been playing for nearly 50 years, now.

RobbieFal: Rangel's been proposing this for 8 years. It only got 2 votes in 2004, and one of the 2 (Murtha) is no longer with us.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Instituting a draft would be the 2nd most effective way to keep us from getting into unnecessary wars

(except for Vietnam)

Getting more than an authorization is another way to keep America out of unnecessary wars. Or mandating a max period for an authorization with the option to extend it if need be (like if it were actually vital).

We've already got that, but unfortunately Congress rarely (if ever) feels like enforcing it.

Is it 2004 again?

bujin: Is he really wrong, though? We might be less likely to vote for war-mongers if there was a chance our own kids would get drafted.

let's just stop starting wars rather than forcing people to fight in them

whidbey: Honestly, these are the kinds of Democrats who need to be voted out of office.

racist

*forgets to log in as SK again*

hahaha, no. If you're smart enough to do a better job than the current soldiers, you're smart enough to get out of a draft.

Deftoons:


Was just about to say this. Rangel is a nationalist through and through, although I think his draft position is just an extension of the American liberal's philosophy regarding legal enforcement towards utilitarian goals chosen by an elected elite.

Horse shiat. Rangel tried this same AW stunt a few years ago. The Repubs actually called his bluff, brought it to a vote AND RANGEL VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN BILL (new window) he's just a clown.

Outside of WWII, there should have never been any kind of conscription. Few wars the US has been involved did we even legitimately have an actual need to fight.

We can't expect that by instituting a draft now that suddenly our populous will grow a set and revolt against the underhanded shiat our gov't does. All that will happen is that more teenagers will be forced to fire weapons at strangers thousands of miles away. It pisses me off enough that the military is allowed to advertise like it's some noble sort of venture. It's not. Occupying foreign countries for long amounts of time is wrong. We wouldn't accept it as Americans in our own country, yet we accept that our gov't does it everyday like it's no big deal.

America should be thinking about ways to massively cut our military not ways to increase it, which a draft would ultimately do.

If we had a draft, everybody would have 'Skin In The Game' in the most literal and meaningful way possible. And that would actually be a good thing overall.

Rangel has been trolling this point for awhile now. He knows this will never go through.

One Bad Apple: Deftoons:


Was just about to say this. Rangel is a nationalist through and through, although I think his draft position is just an extension of the American liberal's philosophy regarding legal enforcement towards utilitarian goals chosen by an elected elite.

Horse shiat. Rangel tried this same AW stunt a few years ago. The Repubs actually called his bluff, brought it to a vote AND RANGEL VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN BILL (new window) he's just a clown.

standard dem tactic.
too bad that the republicans don't call them on this more often.

ferretman: I'm for mandatory service for EVERYBODY......when you graduate High School, minimum 2 years in the Military. I think it would help a lot of children grow up and become more responsible which would benefit EVERYBODY.

How about no.

Not everyone wants to be a part of that organization, for various reasons. I broke with family tradition and didn't enlist, because I hated the CIC at the time (bush). I didn't Trust him to use my service in a responsible, honorable manor, and history has vindicated this.

Not to mention the costs...that many hundreds of thousands of recruits each year would be impossible to equip and train.

It's cool. They play X-Box 360 war games most of the day anyway. It will give them a chance to earn a living playing war for real instead of playing for free...and they get to respawn with all the coolest toys.

whidbey: *forgets to log in as SK again*

you're sarsin, remember?

AirForceVet

LordZorch: How is it that someone with an IQ below 80 keeps getting elected to congress?

Same reason Senators Sessions and Shelby keep getting reelected.


Partisan Hack!

skullkrusher: whidbey: *forgets to log in as SK again*

you're sarsin, remember?

I'm going to start charging you by the post from now on. You owe me 20 bucks.

Subby: get a clue. Rangel does this every year as a way to draw attention to the issue that our armed services are made up mostly - though certainly not entirely - of people from poor families and poor neighborhoods.

ferretman: I'm for mandatory service for EVERYBODY......when you graduate High School, minimum 2 years in the Military. I think it would help a lot of children grow up and become more responsible which would benefit EVERYBODY.

You're absolutely right. Why bother with silly freedom at all...Let's allow the government to dictate all our decisions as adults.

Rangel point has been taken...every year he proposes this. If he were really serious about ending unnecessary wars, he'd author a bill requiring that any member of the legislative branch who has ever been accused of ethical misconduct be drafted.

One Bad Apple
Deftoons:


Was just about to say this. Rangel is a nationalist through and through, although I think his draft position is just an extension of the American liberal's philosophy regarding legal enforcement towards utilitarian goals chosen by an elected elite.

Horse shiat. Rangel tried this same AW stunt a few years ago. The Repubs actually called his bluff, brought it to a vote AND RANGEL VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN BILL (new window) he's just a clown.



A very tired clown at that.