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The Dreaded Rear Admiral
2011-12-08 10:28:32 AM
The past few months have seen a variety of troubles for Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM

I did not know that part. How apropos.

I'm sure this joke has been made before, however.
 
maq0r
2011-12-08 10:38:23 AM
RIM? They still around?

I thought someone bought them years ago.
 
BizarreMan
2011-12-08 11:48:56 AM
How do you get that far in the branding process and not perform proper due-diligence on the names you want to use.
 
bravian
2011-12-08 01:31:10 PM
maq0r: RIM? They still around?

I thought someone bought them years ago.

No one is that stupid.
 
Dr J Zoidberg [TotalFark]
2011-12-08 01:31:17 PM
maq0r: RIM? They still around?

I thought someone bought them years ago.

It would appear that with the Torch they finally figured out that people like capacitative (? I don't know) touch screens and the CEO basically told the developers that they love and need them and will never hurt them again if they start to develop more apps. It may be too little too late here in the US, but they are popular overseas and we are 300 some million people out of 7 billion.
 
Zyng
2011-12-08 01:33:29 PM
I have no sympathy for RIM. They are just the latest company to be killed off by their failure to adapt to a changing industry. See also, Palm.

They are doing this to themselves by making undesirable products. Their user interface is absolutely awful, they have failed to attract third party developers and they completely half assed their attempt at making a tablet. And on top of all that they failed to do even the most basic of IP research? RIM deserves what it is getting now.
 
lohphat [TotalFark]
2011-12-08 02:36:30 PM
And the execs will expect a performance bonus this year ad a golden parachute when they "retire".
 
tomcatadam
2011-12-08 03:21:13 PM
It took RIM less than 12 months to go from "the company every canadian CS/CE student wants to do a co-op for" to everyone fighting to stay away from them.
 
jcpallitto
2011-12-08 03:51:42 PM
What's wrong with the tablet? Works fine for me, It has been out since April and the hardware still is on par with the top tablets on the market. The OS is slick and fast. You can now get native emai. (Although I perfer it stored on my phone and displayed on the tablet) I dont have to pay a 2nd bill to ATT to get 3G when I am out of wifi.... The worst thing is the amount of apps available.

How many of 500,000 apps are you going to download? All the important ones are available except 2 in my opinion.. Netflix and Skype
 
Dialectic
2011-12-08 03:59:34 PM
A rimjob is still a rimjob, no?
 
maq0r
2011-12-08 08:02:39 PM
bravian: maq0r: RIM? They still around?

I thought someone bought them years ago.

No one is that stupid.

Sheldon Cooper? I didn't know you where a farker.

/bazzinga.
 
bravian
2011-12-08 08:33:50 PM
Dr J Zoidberg: CEO basically told the developers that they love and need them and will never hurt them again if they start to develop more apps. It may be too little too late here in the US, but they are popular overseas and we are 300 some million people out of 7 billion.

Last year when we talked to RIM about possibly developing apps they bragged about how our primary target for such apps were all on blackberries and they wouldn't have fart apps in their store. First of all - that was incredibly insulting to everyone in the room (who either had android or iOS based phone personal device). Second of all when we queried our target market - they told us one thing - iOS and Android.

Never met with RIM again.
 
twat_waffle
2011-12-08 08:36:11 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

/once for the bulk
//and again for the remainder
 
WhoIsNotInMyKitchen
2011-12-08 09:33:12 PM
The lack of Apps is pretty shocking when you hit appworld for the first time.
No...
Dropbox (bluebox is not the same)
dr suess ebooks
Tripit
google reader
google listen
and on and on...

That said its a pretty slick device.

2. 0 might save it but wtf is taking so long.

Still debating returning it.
 
Farktastic
2011-12-08 10:05:44 PM
I got a playbook to do site audits. If I can get them running work will expense it. So far it does what I want it to, and battery life seems reasonable for what I need it to be. I also carry a work blackberry and bridge works great. The form factor and size make it great for my hands and what I am doing on it because when held portrait style I can still thumb type on it, rather than attempt to use the landscape keyboard abomination present on all tablets.

If I can't get my audits to work flawlessly on it I am taking it back, but so far I can't really complain about a device that does what it does for $200.

Also, there is a fairly easy skype workaround on it: go to imo.im and you can log directly into skype without an app. Seems to work fine to me. I haven't tried it but you can probably do the same with netflix.

/if I return it, I'm getting an Asus transformer prime
 
Lsherm
2011-12-08 10:22:58 PM
BizarreMan: How do you get that far in the branding process and not perform proper due-diligence on the names you want to use.

You have a weak ass farking legal team, that's how. This is basic, basic stuff for a product rollout.
 
TheGhostofFarkPast
2011-12-08 10:35:03 PM
RIM has had a bad few weeks-

1) two executives flying back from china get so drunk the plane is diverted and both get fined $35,000

2) BBX naming was not checked

3) Their precious Playbook got jailbroken, then broken again after RIM supposedly "patched" the exploit.

Sure they have a decent market outside the US but even that is falling just like their stock price and market value. I give them two years unless the new QNX phones are just mind blowing and take less than 10 minutes to boot.
 
lohphat [TotalFark]
2011-12-09 01:21:48 AM
Well to be fair, most models of BB are not smartphones...they're PIMs.

They were intended to be used primarily as mobile extensions to corp email and they have that locked in. The browser SUX but that's not what it was designed for.

When you expect more out of the platform than there's horsepower to support you have FAIL. Only the newer models have the resources to really be a platform but the need for backwards compatibility makes it a chore. Only a new OS can address that but it's too little, too late.

MDM solutions like Mobile Iron, AirWatch, and Zenprise try to recreate the end-to-end security but it still has much to catch up to. Android is NOT a consistent stable platform across vendors and releases. Like an iPhone, it's designed for one-off consumers not mass enterprise support.

We still use BB loaners internationally because they're easier to support and provision and Tmo has a cheap international data plan.

It's only a matter of time. RIM, like Palm, started to react too little, too late, and bungled it.
 
sure haven't
2011-12-09 10:49:45 AM
jcpallitto: What's wrong with the tablet? Works fine for me, It has been out since April and the hardware still is on par with the top tablets on the market. The OS is slick and fast. You can now get native emai. (Although I perfer it stored on my phone and displayed on the tablet) I dont have to pay a 2nd bill to ATT to get 3G when I am out of wifi.... The worst thing is the amount of apps available.

How many of 500,000 apps are you going to download? All the important ones are available except 2 in my opinion.. Netflix and Skype

Come come now, there's no room for logic and calm thinking on this website.
Here, if you're not Google or Apple, you're a complete and total failure, and must be tarred and feathered.

/Canadian
//most people I know have BlackBerry's
///I however... windows phone... and it's awesome
 
jcpallitto
2011-12-09 11:14:01 AM
I heard a rumor, and I hope its true... That M$ was looking to purchase RIM for 2 reasons.

1. To keep the patents out of google's hands
2. To gain marketshre in the smartphone market.

M$ and RIM have always had a close relationship together and even office 365 is going to have a special place in the BB environment. Just imagine being able to video chat from your Playbook to a Kinect on Xbox, and Xbox Live minigames over the net to the playbook.... SKEET

I think 2012 is RIM's last chance to make ammends or they will be sold.
 
tomcatadam
2011-12-09 12:02:05 PM
jcpallitto: M$

What the hell is Mdollar?
 
jcpallitto
2011-12-09 12:07:19 PM
tomcatadam: jcpallitto: M$

What the hell is Mdollar?

Micro$oft
 
TheGhostofFarkPast
2011-12-09 01:54:17 PM
lohphat: Well to be fair, most models of BB are not smartphones...they're PIMs.

They were intended to be used primarily as mobile extensions to corp email and they have that locked in. The browser SUX but that's not what it was designed for.

When you expect more out of the platform than there's horsepower to support you have FAIL. Only the newer models have the resources to really be a platform but the need for backwards compatibility makes it a chore. Only a new OS can address that but it's too little, too late.

MDM solutions like Mobile Iron, AirWatch, and Zenprise try to recreate the end-to-end security but it still has much to catch up to. Android is NOT a consistent stable platform across vendors and releases. Like an iPhone, it's designed for one-off consumers not mass enterprise support.

We still use BB loaners internationally because they're easier to support and provision and Tmo has a cheap international data plan.

It's only a matter of time. RIM, like Palm, started to react too little, too late, and bungled it.

As someone who manages both a BES and a MobileIron server for a Fortune 500 company let me say the BES days are number in regards to security. The new 4.5 Mobileiron release that just came out about two weeks ago leverage pretty much all the API's from apple to present a very robust security environment. You can now use S/MIME email configurations, block people from forwarding email to their personal email on the phone and the list goes on and on. At this current pace I expect it to mirror BES functionality very shortly.

Blackberry did buy a German MDM company last year and finally put out their revised platform call Fusion which is suppose to be a direct competitor to the MDM market. I haven't seen any reviews yet but it should be interesting to see how well it works.

Also on the Android side MobileIron uses "touchdown for mobileiron" (the other MDM providers also use Touchdown as well) so it will provide a universal email experience and avoid having to use the built in crap that they stuff on all the phones.
 
lohphat [TotalFark]
2011-12-09 02:38:22 PM
TheGhostofFarkPast:
As someone who manages both a BES and a MobileIron server for a Fortune 500 company let me say the BES days are number in regards to security. The new 4.5 Mobileiron release that just came out about two weeks ago leverage pretty much all the API's from apple to present a very robust security environment. You can now use S/MIME email configurations, block people from forwarding email to their personal email on the phone and the list goes on and on. At this current pace I expect it to mirror BES functionality very shortly.

I'm trying to eval MI but my sales rep is a moron. He's inexperienced and arrogant and the trio process is convoluted. AW and ZP are on the list but one of my VARs said they'll do the pony wrangling for me. We shall see.
 
Marine1
2011-12-09 04:45:20 PM
sure haven't: jcpallitto: What's wrong with the tablet? Works fine for me, It has been out since April and the hardware still is on par with the top tablets on the market. The OS is slick and fast. You can now get native emai. (Although I perfer it stored on my phone and displayed on the tablet) I dont have to pay a 2nd bill to ATT to get 3G when I am out of wifi.... The worst thing is the amount of apps available.

How many of 500,000 apps are you going to download? All the important ones are available except 2 in my opinion.. Netflix and Skype

Come come now, there's no room for logic and calm thinking on this website.
Here, if you're not Google or Apple, you're a complete and total failure, and must be tarred and feathered.

/Canadian
//most people I know have BlackBerry's
///I however... windows phone... and it's awesome

RIM should be choosing between a new CEO and a new bankruptcy attorney right around the time Windows Phone Tango comes out, which would support the whole 480x320 screen/portrait keyboard setup Blackberries are known for. I wouldn't be shocked to see Microsoft purchase RIM outright or somehow get Windows Phone to be the OS for future Blackberry devices when that time comes. You could be the first one to beat the other hoseheads to the Windows Phone bandwagon up there in the Land of Eh.
 
TheGhostofFarkPast
2011-12-09 06:49:21 PM
lohphat: TheGhostofFarkPast:
As someone who manages both a BES and a MobileIron server for a Fortune 500 company let me say the BES days are number in regards to security. The new 4.5 Mobileiron release that just came out about two weeks ago leverage pretty much all the API's from apple to present a very robust security environment. You can now use S/MIME email configurations, block people from forwarding email to their personal email on the phone and the list goes on and on. At this current pace I expect it to mirror BES functionality very shortly.

I'm trying to eval MI but my sales rep is a moron. He's inexperienced and arrogant and the trio process is convoluted. AW and ZP are on the list but one of my VARs said they'll do the pony wrangling for me. We shall see.

My email is in my profile if you need help let me know. Also is your sales guys last name Obrien?
 
lohphat [TotalFark]
2011-12-09 07:36:30 PM
TheGhostofFarkPast:
My email is in my profile if you need help let me know. Also is your sales guys last name Obrien?

No, Nardo.
 
Maneck
2011-12-10 11:27:33 AM
A Texas judge has ordered a Canadian company not to say something at a conference in Singapore.

Seriously Texas, you need to fix this long arm thing.
 
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