Go put your clown make up and platform shoes on, you old buzzard.

He's right.

He's certainly known for his impressive vocals.

I hate Kiss fans more than Kiss. This is all their fault.

HotWingConspiracy: I hate Kiss fans more than Kiss. This is all their fault.

I've known one guy that treats this "band" literally like a religion. Tis a sad thing, really.

HotWingConspiracy: He's certainly known for his impressive vocals.

I hate Kiss fans more than Kiss. This is all their fault.

He IS right. Just TELL people you don't need any REAL musicians in your band because you sing to a SOUNDTRACK (probably through autotune - though I don't think Madonna used it).

I like to watch people actually perform their musical creations and get upset when any performer uses pre-recorded oversanitized crap to make the audience think there's actually talent in the band (or in many cases the performer).

/no special love for GS or KISS, but the man has a valid point.

Two of the most visited crotches on the planet.

Strik3r: HotWingConspiracy: He's certainly known for his impressive vocals.

I hate Kiss fans more than Kiss. This is all their fault.

He IS right. Just TELL people you don't need any REAL musicians in your band because you sing to a SOUNDTRACK (probably through autotune - though I don't think Madonna used it).

I like to watch people actually perform their musical creations and get upset when any performer uses pre-recorded oversanitized crap to make the audience think there's actually talent in the band (or in many cases the performer).

/no special love for GS or KISS, but the man has a valid point.

Singing was around long before bands. When there is a singer, music is an accompaniment, not the focus.

Yeah! Take that, Madonna... 'Cuz if there's one person renowned for their scintillating vocal abilities, it's Gene Simmons.

Carousel Beast: Strik3r: HotWingConspiracy: He's certainly known for his impressive vocals.

I hate Kiss fans more than Kiss. This is all their fault.

He IS right. Just TELL people you don't need any REAL musicians in your band because you sing to a SOUNDTRACK (probably through autotune - though I don't think Madonna used it).

I like to watch people actually perform their musical creations and get upset when any performer uses pre-recorded oversanitized crap to make the audience think there's actually talent in the band (or in many cases the performer).

/no special love for GS or KISS, but the man has a valid point.

Singing was around long before bands. When there is a singer, music is an accompaniment, not the focus.

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Carousel Beast: Strik3r:
He IS right. Just TELL people you don't need any REAL musicians in your band because you sing to a SOUNDTRACK (probably through autotune - though I don't think Madonna used it).

.....

Singing was around long before bands. When there is a singer, music is an accompaniment, not the focus.

Perhaps you missed my remark about autotune. This is the tools today's singers hide behind.

IMO during a performance, a HUMAN BEING should actually PERFORM or it's not really a performance.

There used to be a Farker named Chaim Witz. I wonder where he went?

I love that guy, but man, don't go wonky on Madonna. There's no need for that.

I'm trying really hard to not go on my rant about how people don't really understand that the "auto-tune" sound these days is actually a purposeful styling that's en vogue in a certain genre and that if the performers/engineers were actually using auto-tune (either live or in the studio) to the standard spec and purpose, the whiners about auto-tune wouldn't even know it was being used.

/well, they do use it to the standard spec and purpose, everyone does, but you know what I mean
//saves on expensive studio time
///kinda failed to not go on my rant

Knara: I love that guy, but man, don't go wonky on Madonna. There's no need for that.

I'm trying really hard to not go on my rant about how people don't really understand that the "auto-tune" sound these days is actually a purposeful styling that's en vogue in a certain genre and that if the performers/engineers were actually using auto-tune (either live or in the studio) to the standard spec and purpose, the whiners about auto-tune wouldn't even know it was being used.

/well, they do use it to the standard spec and purpose, everyone does, but you know what I mean
//saves on expensive studio time
///kinda failed to not go on my rant

I can understand using a plethora of "tools" to enhance musical recording or even a performance. The problem is that the so called "tool" is NOT being used that way. It's used in live performances not just to style, but to compensate for the lack of talent. THIS is the problem and the tool does not overcome it.

Strik3r: Knara: I love that guy, but man, don't go wonky on Madonna. There's no need for that.

I'm trying really hard to not go on my rant about how people don't really understand that the "auto-tune" sound these days is actually a purposeful styling that's en vogue in a certain genre and that if the performers/engineers were actually using auto-tune (either live or in the studio) to the standard spec and purpose, the whiners about auto-tune wouldn't even know it was being used.

/well, they do use it to the standard spec and purpose, everyone does, but you know what I mean
//saves on expensive studio time
///kinda failed to not go on my rant

I can understand using a plethora of "tools" to enhance musical recording or even a performance. The problem is that the so called "tool" is NOT being used that way. It's used in live performances not just to style, but to compensate for the lack of talent. THIS is the problem and the tool does not overcome it.

Here's the thing about auto-tune. When its in use, you can't tell its being used.

What you think is "obviously autotuned" is either 1) intentional styling or 2) not actually auto-tuned vocals

/or 3) you being butthurt about pop music
//"so called 'tool' "? there's no so-called about it, it's a tool like all other production tools
///like microphones that color a voice different ways
////or reverb

Gene Simmons calls Madonna a "karaoke singer".

She wouldn't f♥ck him, huh?

Knara: When its in use for the sole purpose of pitch correction

to be more precise

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Commemorative plate set featuring Gene Simmons calling Madonna a "karaoke singer"

Knara: Strik3r: Knara:Here's the thing about auto-tune. When its in use, you can't tell its being used.

What you think is "obviously autotuned" is either 1) intentional styling or 2) not actually auto-tuned vocals

/or 3) you being butthurt about pop music
//"so called 'tool' "? there's no so-called about it, it's a tool like all other production tools
///like microphones that color a voice different ways
////or reverb

Of course, no one uses autotune to make up for the lack of talent and does it poorly, right? And everyone who does use autotune at all would never use it to cover their lack of talent.

Let me put it to you this way, I KNOW that the artists I listen to are NOT using autotune. How can I tell? I go see them actually do it live. It's easy to do most anything in the studio and cover it up. It's not easy to bring studio work live without using prefabbed crap. The bands and performers who have any integrity at all are easy to identify in a live setting. They almost never do everything exactly the same. Real singers get tired sometimes and have to improvise to compensate.
Slight variations in tone, tembre, pitch are easily apparent. This is called watching the performer actually perform.

The autotune users never really look like work very hard to sing. That's because they don't have to.

Strik3r: Let me put it to you this way, I KNOW that the artists I listen to are NOT using autotune. How can I tell? I go see them actually do it live

You realize that rack mount live auto-tune modules are in common usage, right?

The rest of your post makes me think you should go hang out with bunner and you guys can jerk each other off about your musical states and how "pure" the music you listen to is compared to new fangled stuff.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: Gene Simmons calls Madonna a "karaoke singer".

She wouldn't f♥ck him, huh?

Probably. But if I got a chance to tap Shannon Tweed every night, I wouldn't have any desire to have sex with anyone else. Shannon probably would, but that's not my point.

And since when is Gene Simmons saying something obnoxious news?

/KISS Army for 25 years
//Seen them in concert a dozen times
///Still the greatest show on earth

Knara: Strik3r: Let me put it to you this way, I KNOW that the artists I listen to are NOT using autotune. How can I tell? I go see them actually do it live

You realize that rack mount live auto-tune modules are in common usage, right?


Uh huh. Face it Autotune is not as "invisible" as you think it is. I am a musician and have been around bands that use it and bands that don't. For some strange reason the good musicians don't seem to need it. That doesn't mean they don't use it for styling. It means they don't need it to get through a performance.

Funny thing about good singers.... They generally have to work HARD to achieve the pitch, hold it and express the emotion. Bad singers are so blatently slack, it's easy to see them sing off pitch. Autotune will not correct that.

Oh, and fark you Gene Simmons

Sorry, were not paying enough attention to you, Gene? Do some more Dr. Pepper commercials.

If you're gonna attack a taller poppy to get attention, you could reach for someone more current.

I enjoy karaoke.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: Gene Simmons calls Madonna a "karaoke singer".

She wouldn't f♥ck him let him gravely disappoint her, huh?

FTFY.

/hot?

Strik3r: Uh huh. Face it Autotune is not as "invisible" as you think it is. I am a musician and have been around bands that use it and bands that don't. For some strange reason the good musicians don't seem to need it. That doesn't mean they don't use it for styling. It means they don't need it to get through a performance.

Funny thing about good singers.... They generally have to work HARD to achieve the pitch, hold it and express the emotion. Bad singers are so blatently slack, it's easy to see them sing off pitch. Autotune will not correct that.

*pat pat* there there. take a deep breath. i'm sure you're very experienced.

I'm a KISS fan, so I can tell you without a doubt, they do not use "tapes". After watching Rock AM Ring 2k10 on VH1 the other night, no one could sound that bad using them.


/time to replace Gene and Paul
//Paul's voice has lost all power and Gene was wheezing through his lyrics

And Gene thinks this is art:

"You show us everything you've got
You keep on dancin' and the room gets hot
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You say you wanna go for a spin
The party's just begun, we'll let you in
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'

I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day


You keep on saying you'll be mine for a while
You're lookin' fancy and I like your style
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You show us everything you've got
Baby, baby that's quite a lot
And you drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'


I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll"

Sorry, but if your band has an officially licensed set of matryoshka dolls, you lose the right to criticize anyone else's integrity.

Marisyana: Translation of article--"Goddammit, passed over again."

I'm not a big KISS fan but come on, you have to admit that they would be an awesome halftime show.

They played the pregame Super Bowl show at Super Bowl XXXIII (Broncos 34, Falcons 19 -- suck it Georgia). They would be a pretty awesome halftime show.

FirstNationalBastard: Maybe if they got the real Ace and Peter instead of a scab in Ace Make-up and poor Eric Singer with a bad dyejob.

...okay, Singer is probably the better drummer. But scab Ace sucks.


Singer is an infinitely better drummer than Peter Criss. So was Eric Carr, for that matter. But "scab Ace", as you refer to Tommy Thayer, is an excellent guitarist. Thayer, in fact, helped Ace re-learn all of the songs before the 1996 Reunion Tour.

FirstNationalBastard: Y'know, if they hadn't put Singer and Thayer in the Criss and Ace make-up, I'd have no problem, But, if given a choice, I'd take the slightly lesser originals over new scabs.

And, yeah, that whole situation is the fault of $tanley and $immons.


That part I'll give you. There's really no reason they couldn't give Singer and Thayer new make-up designs. That's what they did with Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent back in the day. They aren't fooling anyone and no one paying to see KISS these days would care if half the band wore new designs since they're there to see $immons and Stanley (Paul is not half the prick businessman Gene is - Paul is an artist more than anything else these days.

why speak up about this now, Gene?

this surely can't be the first Half Time show with a singer and no band. Justin Timberlake & Janet Jackson come to mind.

Beeblebrox
And Gene thinks this is art:

"You show us everything you've got
You keep on dancin' and the room gets hot
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You say you wanna go for a spin
The party's just begun, we'll let you in
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'

I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day


You keep on saying you'll be mine for a while
You're lookin' fancy and I like your style
You drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You show us everything you've got
Baby, baby that's quite a lot
And you drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin', you keep on shoutin'


I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll all nite and party every day
I wanna rock and roll"

How about:
I Love It Loud Lyrics

"Stand up, you don't have to be afraid
Get down, love is like a hurricane
Street boy, no I never could be tamed, better believe it
Guilty till I'm proven innocent
Whiplash, heavy metal accident
Rock on, I wanna be the president, 'cos"

Yeah, dude's a f*cking poet!

Hating KISS is kinda like a sport for people who want everyone else to know that their taste in music is infinitely better.

Haters gonna hate.

Saw KISS 3x. Would go again. Took my 8 year old son to the last show. Blew his mind.

KISS rules.

Frank Sinatra CD playing...

Your guy sucks, and has zero talent in comparison. Isn't that fashionable now?

GreenAdder: Knara: Hating KISS is kinda like a sport for people who want everyone else to know that their taste in music is infinitely better.

Haters gonna hate.

I don't think people are so much hating their music, but their constant merchandising machine.

It's both.

I don't have a problem with either of them. Making money using merchandise when you have a popular band? We should all have such problems.

Bring back Up With People. May have been the last decent half time show.

He should go on NPR's Fresh Air to discuss his opinion of Madonna.