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(Warming Glow)   Louis C.K. on the Future of America: 'Girl Rules, Boys Drool'   (warmingglow.uproxx.com) divider line 218
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2011-12-07 02:12:33 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: No. 2 always wins in America.

Pepsi and Burger King so wish that was true.


WINNER!
 
2011-12-07 02:12:36 PM  

someonelse: Magnanimous_J: Wise_Guy: I'm a stay-at-home dad right now-- have been for the past 6 years.

It's a way easier job than women would have you think.


No shiat.

So is teaching, as long as you don't actually work at it.


And regardless of how difficult it actually is, or how much work they have to put in...you'll never find a teacher who admits their job is anything but the most difficult, time-consuming, important, never-ending, stressful, thankless, toughest, mentally challenging, underrated, job in the entire universe...
 
2011-12-07 02:13:48 PM  

Christian Bale: Men don't watch that shiat.


No, but they control the entertainment/media industry that put foist that shiat on us.

And they gain lots and lots of money and power by marginalizing women's self esteem and life goals by it.
 
2011-12-07 02:15:41 PM  

KiplingKat872: And they gain lots and lots of money and power by marginalizing women's self esteem and life goals by it.


I mean seriously, the fashion industry:

1. Make women feel insecure about their looks.
2. Sell them shiat to make them feel better about the insecurity you have created.
3. Profit.
4. Goto 1.

You think woman invented this?
 
2011-12-07 02:16:13 PM  

ArkAngel: In what way are girls number two? They have higher graduation rates from both high school and college. They also are more likely to participate in student government, charity work, extra-curricular activities (with the exception of sports), and part-time jobs. Single childless females under 30 make more than males in the same demographic. They are less likely to go to jail for the same crimes as a man and get more lenient sentences when they do go.

The girls of today are likely to drive the future because we're failing to address the problems that the boys of today are having.


Yeah, but they have hormones that make them crazy.
 
2011-12-07 02:17:38 PM  

Hot Rod Zoidberg: Wise_Guy: TimeWaste: TheYeti: TimeWaste: My wife is way smarter and harder working than me. If we both represent the majority of our sex, I think it's in the best interest of the world that she rises to the top.

This.

I see stay-at-home Dad in my future.

It's already agreed in our household. She's worked her ass off for her Master's, and makes twice as I do. Me, I could take or leave my job and never care less.

We're not trying to have a kid, but when it happens... ahhhh. Pajamas.

I'm a stay-at-home dad right now-- have been for the past 6 years.

It's a way easier job than women would have you think.

That's the dream. My SO has said a couple times that she wants to be the breadwinner. As long as she comes home to a clean house (she has low standards for that) dinner (i love to cook) and a glass of wine (i'll drink beer all day myself).

Needless to say, I have no problems with this plan.



Until she bails on you for being lazy, having no goals, etc...

Seriously...happened to a friend of mine...was a stay at home dad because his wife made far more than him, and daycare for their 3 kids cost more than what he brought home. Once the kids were all in school, she ended up bailing on him. He was essentially a live in babysitter (in her mind I guess). After being out of a job for 6 + years it was hard for him to find any work at all, let alone something to pay support on his kids. Try telling an interviewer you've been a stay at home dad for that long...
 
2011-12-07 02:17:48 PM  

KiplingKat872: No, but they control the entertainment/media industry that put foist that shiat on us.


They can't foist anything on people who refuse to watch.

/"complicit in their own oppression", indeed

mrtoadswildride: And regardless of how difficult it actually is, or how much work they have to put in...you'll never find a teacher who admits their job is anything but the most difficult, time-consuming, important, never-ending, stressful, thankless, toughest, mentally challenging, underrated, job in the entire universe...


I've rarely encountered anyone with a job who will admit that their job is plum easy without liberal application of booze. Everyone wants everyone else to think that their job requires lots of effort, regardless of the reality, because we're all secretly afraid that admitting otherwise will result in our selves being downgraded in the eyes of others.
 
2011-12-07 02:19:19 PM  

KiplingKat872: I mean seriously, the fashion industry:

1. Make women feel insecure about their looks.
2. Sell them shiat to make them feel better about the insecurity you have created.
3. Profit.
4. Goto 1.

You think woman invented this?


"Invented" would need to go back quite a long while.

I do think that women make use of it for personal, financial gain just as much, if not moreso, than men do at this point.
 
2011-12-07 02:19:27 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: Hot Rod Zoidberg: Wise_Guy: TimeWaste: TheYeti: TimeWaste: My wife is way smarter and harder working than me. If we both represent the majority of our sex, I think it's in the best interest of the world that she rises to the top.

This.

I see stay-at-home Dad in my future.

It's already agreed in our household. She's worked her ass off for her Master's, and makes twice as I do. Me, I could take or leave my job and never care less.

We're not trying to have a kid, but when it happens... ahhhh. Pajamas.

I'm a stay-at-home dad right now-- have been for the past 6 years.

It's a way easier job than women would have you think.

That's the dream. My SO has said a couple times that she wants to be the breadwinner. As long as she comes home to a clean house (she has low standards for that) dinner (i love to cook) and a glass of wine (i'll drink beer all day myself).

Needless to say, I have no problems with this plan.


Until she bails on you for being lazy, having no goals, etc...

Seriously...happened to a friend of mine...was a stay at home dad because his wife made far more than him, and daycare for their 3 kids cost more than what he brought home. Once the kids were all in school, she ended up bailing on him. He was essentially a live in babysitter (in her mind I guess). After being out of a job for 6 + years it was hard for him to find any work at all, let alone something to pay support on his kids. Try telling an interviewer you've been a stay at home dad for that long...


Yet another story proving the rule that having kids is always a bad idea.
 
2011-12-07 02:20:22 PM  

Knara: They can't foist anything on people who refuse to watch.

/"complicit in their own oppression", indeed



True, but that does not invalidate my point.
 
2011-12-07 02:21:41 PM  
KiplingKat872
I mean seriously, the fashion industry:

1. Make women feel insecure about their looks.
2. Sell them shiat to make them feel better about the insecurity you have created.
3. Profit.
4. Goto 1.

You think woman invented this?


Most guys think most women are attractive. Look at us farkers on here, posting thick chicks and subbys saying "hot chick" for an average women and what not. We think most women are good looking enough...and if you want us, we want you. Of course there are some ham beasts, but...

Girls do that stuff to themselves. You can tell a hot chick she is hot until the cows come home and there is still a good chance she won't believe it. Low self-esteem is a b*tch. And who cares what the studman69s think?

Men make fun of each other and don't mean it
Women give each other compliments and don't mean it either
 
2011-12-07 02:21:41 PM  
Yes, because I turn to Louis C.K. for advice about the future. He's a present day Nostradamus, that one. Pffrrrt.
 
2011-12-07 02:22:09 PM  

mrtoadswildride: someonelse: Magnanimous_J: Wise_Guy: I'm a stay-at-home dad right now-- have been for the past 6 years.

It's a way easier job than women would have you think.


No shiat.

So is teaching, as long as you don't actually work at it.

And regardless of how difficult it actually is, or how much work they have to put in...you'll never find a teacher who admits their job is anything but the most difficult, time-consuming, important, never-ending, stressful, thankless, toughest, mentally challenging, underrated, job in the entire universe...


A lot of the women I meet that are stay-at-home moms know it's BS, but they don't want to say so. Once they find out I'm a stay-at-home dad, you can see them kind of smile like they know they were just caught lying. It's pretty funny.

And it's actually more labor intensive to be a SAH dad than a SAH mom. But still, it's one of the easiest jobs I've ever had.
 
2011-12-07 02:22:13 PM  

Knara: I've rarely encountered anyone with a job who will admit that their job is plum easy without liberal application of booze. Everyone wants everyone else to think that their job requires lots of effort, regardless of the reality, because we're all secretly afraid that admitting otherwise will result in our selves being downgraded in the eyes of others fired .


FTFY

/very hard to do, too.
 
2011-12-07 02:23:49 PM  
What are 'girl rules'?
 
2011-12-07 02:24:57 PM  

Knara:

"Invented" would need to go back quite a long while.

I do think that women make use of it for personal, financial gain just as much, if not moreso, than men do at this point.


Again true, but does not invalidate my point. Are men targeted like this? If they are, having been in some bars recently I can say they are not reacting to it. Men do not spend the money a women does on looking good.

You also have not addressed to attack over the rights to a woman's body, the health care disparity, or the disparity between the GOP female candidates and the Democratic ones.

If you are going to tell me this is a woman's world, you are going to need a lot more proof than this. If you are going to tell me that gender disparity is a good thing, I am going to laugh in your face.
 
2011-12-07 02:26:43 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: Until she bails on you for being lazy, having no goals, etc...

Seriously...happened to a friend of mine...was a stay at home dad because his wife made far more than him, and daycare for their 3 kids cost more than what he brought home. Once the kids were all in school, she ended up bailing on him. He was essentially a live in babysitter (in her mind I guess). After being out of a job for 6 + years it was hard for him to find any work at all, let alone something to pay support on his kids. Try telling an interviewer you've been a stay at home dad for that long...


I'm sure that happens, but every relationship is different. It works for my wife and me but it may not work for everyone.

I had a tough time with the money situation at first-- because I wasn't working anymore it felt like I was stealing every time I withdrew some spending money, even though I had put most of it in there. I was just used to always paying for everything out of "my" money. I think that was the biggest hurdle for me although I doubt my wife even noticed.
 
2011-12-07 02:27:06 PM  

KiplingKat872: Knara: They can't foist anything on people who refuse to watch.

/"complicit in their own oppression", indeed


True, but that does not invalidate my point.


It doesn't invalidate it, but it certainly mitigates it to a significant extent.

There's no "media" power to be had if your audience isn't interested in what you're putting out.

"Sex in the City" made tons of money over its run because many women liked it a lot. They weren't forced to watch it, they did it of their own volition. You can't put that on men.
 
2011-12-07 02:27:26 PM  
KiplingKat872

Men do not spend the money a women does on looking good.


most of us just don't give a sh*t. take us or leave us. whatever...we will move on and still feel good.

Very very few women have that attitude.
 
2011-12-07 02:29:52 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: Seriously...happened to a friend of mine...was a stay at home dad because his wife made far more than him, and daycare for their 3 kids cost more than what he brought home. Once the kids were all in school, she ended up bailing on him. He was essentially a live in babysitter (in her mind I guess). After being out of a job for 6 + years it was hard for him to find any work at all, let alone something to pay support on his kids. Try telling an interviewer you've been a stay at home dad for that long...


Not to diminish his experience, but that's basically the story of every housewife in history.
 
2011-12-07 02:30:58 PM  

KiplingKat872: Again true, but does not invalidate my point. Are men targeted like this? If they are, having been in some bars recently I can say they are not reacting to it. Men do not spend the money a women does on looking good.


They are indeed targeted like that, however those doing the targeting aren't quite as good at it yet.

KiplingKat872: You also have not addressed to attack over the rights to a woman's body, the health care disparity, or the disparity between the GOP female candidates and the Democratic ones.


The GOP attacks everyone who isn't in a narrow range of being. The GOP attacking gays (and in this case we'll take "gays" to mean "non-lesbians" in the GLBT sort of difference) has them attacking men as well. They're also not really making a lot of headway, given that the guy in the big seat is singing the equality-centric legislation and not theirs.

KiplingKat872: If you are going to tell me this is a woman's world, you are going to need a lot more proof than this. If you are going to tell me that gender disparity is a good thing, I am going to laugh in your face.


Ah yes, hyperbole and strawmen. The standard issue rifle of the internet social justice activist.

I said neither of those things.
 
2011-12-07 02:31:47 PM  
Ha to the guys saying their women make more than them!
 
2011-12-07 02:32:50 PM  

Knara: guy in the big seat is singing signing


FTFM
 
2011-12-07 02:34:30 PM  

Knara: "Sex in the City" made tons of money over its run because many women liked it a lot. They weren't forced to watch it, they did it of their own volition. You can't put that on men.


Ahem:

Link

"Directed by
Michael Patrick King

Writing credits
(WGA)
Michael Patrick King (written by)

Candace Bushnell (book)

Darren Star (television series creator)...

Produced by
Richard Brener .... executive producer
Kathryn Ann Busby .... executive producer (as Kathryn Busby)
Eric M. Cyphers .... co-producer (as Eric Cyphers)
Toby Emmerich .... executive producer
Jonathan Filley .... executive producer
Michael Patrick King .... producer
John P. Melfi .... producer (as John Melfi)
Sarah Jessica Parker .... producer
Tiffany Hayzlett Parker .... associate producer
Melinda Relyea .... associate producer
Darren Star .... producer"

Lots of men names there.

Saying that the viewers are responsible for Sex in the City is like saying I'm repsonsible of Michelangelo's David. To a certain extent they fed the monster, yes, but "WMD's in Iraq" and all, human beings are heavily swayed by propaganda.
 
2011-12-07 02:37:33 PM  

Knara: I said neither of those things.


Well, just what are you saying then, because from over here it reads like you are saying that the world is just fine for women thank you, and that trying to find gender equality is a bad idea because of "mission creep" will become the world of Harrison Bergeron.
 
2011-12-07 02:38:34 PM  

Knara: The GOP attacks everyone who isn't in a narrow range of being. The GOP attacking gays (and in this case we'll take "gays" to mean "non-lesbians" in the GLBT sort of difference) has them attacking men as well. They're also not really making a lot of headway, given that the guy in the big seat is singing the equality-centric legislation and not theirs.


That doesn't disprove there is sexism at work. That is just pointing out all the other ways they are also bigoted.
 
2011-12-07 02:41:21 PM  

KiplingKat872: Saying that the viewers are responsible for Sex in the City is like saying I'm repsonsible of Michelangelo's David. To a certain extent they fed the monster, yes, but "WMD's in Iraq" and all, human beings are heavily swayed by propaganda.


False comparison.

If I make a TV show and no one watches it, it will be cancelled. An entirely different business model than someone commissioning a statue or the like.

I reiterate. If Sex in the City was not popular amongst its target demographic, it would not have lasted past the first couple episodes (or even the pilot), much less made millions upon millions in profit.

What it boils down to is that "Sex in the City" is a horrible example for what you're trying to prove.

/propaganda argument is even more amusing, but still wrong
 
2011-12-07 02:41:43 PM  
Girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.
 
2011-12-07 02:42:58 PM  
The guy has a wife and two daughters. Is it any surprise he is interested in the success of women?
 
2011-12-07 02:43:00 PM  
Gangway Fathead
Girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider.

Nice. Did you pull that out of Uranus?
 
2011-12-07 02:43:01 PM  

KiplingKat872: That doesn't disprove there is sexism at work. That is just pointing out all the other ways they are also bigoted.


Show me where I said there is no sexism at work.

Again, hyperbole and strawmen.

This is why people think internet SJ activists are full of it. Having a straightforward conversation with you is nearly impossible because you're apparently insistent on having a different one than is actually happening. This is the typical example, right here.
 
2011-12-07 02:44:12 PM  

KiplingKat872: Well, just what are you saying then, because from over here it reads like you are saying that the world is just fine for women thank you, and that trying to find gender equality is a bad idea because of "mission creep" will become the world of Harrison Bergeron.


No, that is what you're reading into it based on what you want me to be saying so that you can disregard me.

I said no more and no less than what I wrote.
 
2011-12-07 02:44:59 PM  

Knara: Again, hyperbole and strawmen.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-07 02:45:45 PM  
I like how the article calls him smart then quotes some of the dumbest shiat he's said. Up there with his bit on how tv is the devil
 
2011-12-07 02:45:55 PM  
Girls rule, girls don't rule, who cares. The only true rule is this: Tits or GTFO. Make with the funbags, ladies!
 
2011-12-07 02:47:48 PM  

KiplingKat872: Saying that the viewers are responsible for Sex in the City is like saying I'm repsonsible of Michelangelo's David.


I don't think so. David was commissioned (the deMedicis?) with probably no regard for whether the public would like it or not. SatC was written and created (by both men and women) because they believed it would appeal to women and therefore be profitable. And they were right.
 
2011-12-07 02:47:55 PM  
Seriously dude, make up your mind what you are trying to say, and then get back to me.
 
2011-12-07 02:48:44 PM  
Just wait until you need that jar opened, Brunhilde.
 
2011-12-07 02:50:45 PM  

someonelse: I don't think so. David was commissioned (the deMedicis?) with probably no regard for whether the public would like it or not. SatC was written and created (by both men and women) because they believed it would appeal to women and therefore be profitable. And they were right.


But how much does media established "norms"/propaganda factor into that? Was it a self fulfilling prophecy? They were right because the media set them up to be right?
 
2011-12-07 02:51:20 PM  

barefoot in the head: Just wait until you need that jar opened, Brunhilde.


Can open it myself, thanks.
 
2011-12-07 02:53:05 PM  
And David was commissioned by the cloth guild of the City of Florence as a gift to a cathedral.
 
2011-12-07 02:54:50 PM  
I for one welcome our sugar mama overlords
 
2011-12-07 02:55:11 PM  
The problem with women succeeding in business is that everyone hates working for a woman, including other women.
 
2011-12-07 02:57:27 PM  
Saying that the audience is repsonsible for what the media produces is shoveling a LOT of responsibility off the people who actually produce it. Does the audience feed the monster? Yes. But the idea, the go light for a new program does not start with the audience. It starts with the production team.

Now they can choose to make TV shows the feature strong women with careers acting in intelligent repsonsible ways on equal terms with their male peers, such as Fox once did with the X-Files which also had a massive female audience following, or they can chose to green-light a shows that portray women obsessed with finding a man and shopping.
 
2011-12-07 02:57:37 PM  

TravisBickle62: The problem with women succeeding in business is that everyone hates working for a woman, including other women.


Men love this stereotype. It's confirmation bias on steroids, but it feels true to them, dammit.
 
2011-12-07 02:58:27 PM  

KiplingKat872: Seriously dude, make up your mind what you are trying to say, and then get back to me.


I'm sorry that you're incapable of having this conversation when it doesn't follow the pattern you learned from reading Feminism 101.

SatC was written and created (by both men and women) because they believed it would appeal to women and therefore be profitable. And they were right.

But how much does media established "norms"/propaganda factor into that? Was it a self fulfilling prophecy? They were right because the media set them up to be right?


So you're saying that women are so incapable of knowing what they really like that "the media" told them to like SatC?



someonelse: I don't think so. David was commissioned (the deMedicis?) with probably no regard for whether the public would like it or not.

I think it was the Arte della Lana that commissioned it. Not sure if the Medici were involved, tbh (perhaps!).
 
2011-12-07 03:00:42 PM  

KiplingKat872: Now they can choose to make TV shows the feature strong women with careers acting in intelligent repsonsible ways on equal terms with their male peers, such as Fox once did with the X-Files which also had a massive female audience following, or they can chose to green-light a shows that portray women obsessed with finding a man and shopping.


Ah yes, a show line-up filled solely with fully self-actualized characters. I'm sure that would make for stunning drama.

/conflict and drama comes from flawed characters, always has
//they greenlight what they know people will watch
 
2011-12-07 03:02:54 PM  
My favorite part of the "strong women characters on TV" is that Buffy and Xena, once considered the standard bearers of feminist TV, are now routinely ignored (or better yet, degraded as "problematic").

It tickles my funny bone.
 
2011-12-07 03:04:50 PM  
Here is the fun part:

No matter what women achieve, they will cling to their victim status and use it to get ever more privileges over men. Same with non-whites. Senate could be all black and they'd still be asking for special treatment.

No one wants equality because that would mean they'd have to blame themselves.
 
2011-12-07 03:06:51 PM  

KiplingKat872: Saying that the audience is repsonsible for what the media produces is shoveling a LOT of responsibility off the people who actually produce it. Does the audience feed the monster? Yes. But the idea, the go light for a new program does not start with the audience. It starts with the production team.


This is sort of a nature-nurture debate, and it could probably go in circles forever. So I'll wander off that well-worn path and add this: I can't defend SatC because I thought it was crap. But in terms of gender issues and portraying women as intelligent and equal to men, it is miles ahead of a lot of the reality shows featuring real-life women. Going back to something you said earlier, I'd argue that we've regressed somewhat in how women are portrayed on tv. This is still the age of glorifying the bimbo, now more than ever. I suspect it's a symptom of the stupidification of mass media in general.
 
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