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2011-12-07 10:02:30 AM  
fc02.deviantart.net
 
2011-12-07 10:17:34 AM  
And this is why you're in the FCS.
 
2011-12-07 10:20:50 AM  
Poor kid
 
2011-12-07 10:20:59 AM  
Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.
 
2011-12-07 10:23:19 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.


No, he didn't get creamed. He just stood there as the other team took the ball out of his hand and said thank you for the touchdown and the victory(the other team won by a touchdown)
 
2011-12-07 10:25:34 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.


He fielded the ball moving backwards into the endzone, and was walking around with it. He could just as easily have been lulling the coverage team to sleep before taking off with the ball.
 
2011-12-07 10:26:17 AM  
 
2011-12-07 10:26:57 AM  
Looks like a future Cleveland Brown to me.


sorry Browns fans, but you know it is true
 
2011-12-07 10:30:10 AM  
He also takes his helmet off when he's still in the middle of the field. Did he get flagged for that? If I were him, I wouldn't want anybody seeing my face right then.
 
2011-12-07 10:31:24 AM  
This link should be good for those unable to click subby's link at work.

/also
 
2011-12-07 10:33:56 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.


the forward progress rule only counts when the opposing team is involved.
 
2011-12-07 10:35:25 AM  
He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.
 
2011-12-07 10:35:42 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.



Uh...no. The quarterback stands there like a jackass in the pocket all the time, and they don't blow the play dead for his "lack of forward progress." Forward progress is called when you are getting tackled by 5 guys, not when you are standing there like a jackass. That's a live ball.
 
2011-12-07 10:37:06 AM  

Christian Bale: ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.


Uh...no. The quarterback stands there like a jackass in the pocket all the time, and they don't blow the play dead for his "lack of forward progress." Forward progress is called when you are getting tackled by 5 guys, not when you are standing there like a jackass. That's a live ball.


Yeah...I've seen the video now, and what a putz. I just assumed he stood there and took a hell of a hit, but wow...
 
2011-12-07 10:37:44 AM  
The funniest part is his indignant reaction when they bump him and knock the ball away, like he was waiting for a personal foul flag to be thrown.
 
2011-12-07 10:39:23 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.


Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?
 
2011-12-07 10:41:26 AM  

Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?


Or maybe it's impossible to get a safety on a kickoff. I guess I've never seen anyone take possession and then chuck the ball away. I thought the knee is the only special rule for kickoffs.
 
2011-12-07 10:41:39 AM  

Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?


In the case of kickoffs a fumble out of the endzone is a touchback, just like if you fumbled out of bounds
 
2011-12-07 10:42:06 AM  

Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?


If he never possessed the ball in the field of play (outside the endzone) there cannot be a safety.
 
2011-12-07 10:42:08 AM  
No Tebow reference yet?
 
2011-12-07 10:42:29 AM  
Saw this during C'MON MAN on Monday night. And to think this team beat Appy State this year. Hope the kid wasn't being considered as a draftee before, because if he was, his stock just flatlined for the lack of smarts. How do you NOT know that rule #1 of ending a kickoff play is kneeling??
 
2011-12-07 10:44:27 AM  
Go Griz!
 
2011-12-07 10:45:23 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.


Well, I went and looked up the Victor Cruz Rule (granting that NFL and FCS rules might be different), and it refers to "falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance." So if that's the way to "surrender" on a play, then that answers that.
 
2011-12-07 10:46:53 AM  

Super Chronic: ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed...

oddly enough, I thought standing there like a jackass would fall into the "forward progress has stopped" category..he's not making an attempt to bring the ball out of th endzone, blow it dead. Guess not. Can't say I've ever seen it before, and apparently never will given this crappy link.

Well, I went and looked up the Victor Cruz Rule (granting that NFL and FCS rules might be different), and it refers to "falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance." So if that's the way to "surrender" on a play, then that answers that.


... I mean, a closer analogy is the Desean Jackson not-quite-into-the-endzone spike. He obviously wasn't attempting to advance the ball either, but it was live because he wasn't down in the prescribed way.
 
2011-12-07 10:47:30 AM  
Just a point of clarification. He wouldn't have to knee if he waved for the fair catch. If you do that, the play is dead as soon as you catch it.
 
2011-12-07 10:47:30 AM  
I don't what's worse the returner not kneeling or the guys on the kicking team trying to keep teammates away from a live ball.
 
2011-12-07 10:50:13 AM  
The funny thing is it took the defense a few seconds to realize what happening as well.
 
2011-12-07 10:52:25 AM  

Christian Bale: Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?

Or maybe it's impossible to get a safety on a kickoff. I guess I've never seen anyone take possession and then chuck the ball away. I thought the knee is the only special rule for kickoffs.


You can get a safety on a kickoff, but you have to leave the end zone, or start outside of it, to do it. A Michigan State guy did it a few years back by fielding the ball on the half-yard line and taking a knee in the end zone. Whoops.
 
2011-12-07 10:53:42 AM  

FriarReb98: Saw this during C'MON MAN on Monday night. And to think this team beat Appy State this year. Hope the kid wasn't being considered as a draftee before, because if he was, his stock just flatlined for the lack of smarts. How do you NOT know that rule #1 of ending a kickoff play is kneeling??


To be fair, Maine beat Appy State. In Boone.

/cries
//App '05
 
2011-12-07 10:55:20 AM  
So, he's never taken a knee in the end zone, or did he think that he'd be flagged for excessive celebration?
 
2011-12-07 11:07:49 AM  
Devin Hester did that with a missed FG, only he was putting the other team to sleep before he ran it all the way back for a TD.
 
2011-12-07 11:15:53 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: This link should be good for those unable to click subby's link at work.

/also


Really a rickroll... Is it 2005 again...
 
2011-12-07 11:27:50 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Link isn't opening, but I assume he gets creamed....


Nope, stripped. If he got leveled it's be a touchback.
 
2011-12-07 11:29:37 AM  

Maysin: Jim from Saint Paul: This link should be good for those unable to click subby's link at work.

/also

Really a rickroll... Is it 2005

2001 again...

/Pet peeve
 
2011-12-07 11:31:25 AM  
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Honest mistake. He received the ball in the end zone but didn't think he was going to have to kneel until they got to the shower.
 
2011-12-07 11:34:04 AM  

ATRDCI: Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?

In the case of kickoffs a fumble out of the endzone is a touchback, just like if you fumbled out of bounds


It depends what the impetus of the ball into the endzone was. On this play, the ball entered the endzone due to the kickoff, and thus it would be a touchback. However, had he established possession on the one yard line (stopping the momentum of the ball traveling towards the endzone), then fumbled back into (and out of) the endzone, it would be a safety. The fact that it was a kickoff and not a play from scrimmage is irrelevant.
 
2011-12-07 11:40:58 AM  

Super Chronic: Honest mistake. He received the ball in the end zone but didn't think he was going to have to kneel until they got to the shower.


It didn't have anything to do with Penn State.
 
2011-12-07 11:45:31 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?

If he never possessed the ball in the field of play (outside the endzone) there cannot be a safety.


Conversely, there's a case where a player possesses the ball in the field of play but it's still a touchback.

The key concept in the rules here is "impetus". If the impetus that takes the ball into the end zone is from the kicking team (or offense), it's a touchback. If the impetus is from the receiving team (or defense), it's a safety. So if the returner receives the ball on the run and his momentum carries him into the end zone, he can still kneel for a touchback. Same rule applies if a defender makes an interception and his momentum carries him into the end zone.
 
2011-12-07 11:46:31 AM  
To paraphrase some Farkers in yesterday's football screw-up thread....I can't believe the ref did that. He was clearly not coming out of the end zone, play should have been blown dead. That ref should never work again.

/amidoingitright?
 
2011-12-07 11:48:03 AM  

Donnchadha: ATRDCI: Christian Bale: JohnAnnArbor: He could have knelt, or walked out the back or the side of the end zone, or tossed the ball out the back or side.

Could he? He had possession of the ball. If you throw the ball out the back of the end zone that's a safety, kickoff or not. Amirite?

In the case of kickoffs a fumble out of the endzone is a touchback, just like if you fumbled out of bounds

It depends what the impetus of the ball into the endzone was. On this play, the ball entered the endzone due to the kickoff, and thus it would be a touchback. However, had he established possession on the one yard line (stopping the momentum of the ball traveling towards the endzone), then fumbled back into (and out of) the endzone, it would be a safety. The fact that it was a kickoff and not a play from scrimmage is irrelevant.


11 seconds. *shakes tiny internet fist*.
 
2011-12-07 11:50:28 AM  

lacydog: Just a point of clarification. He wouldn't have to knee if he waved for the fair catch. If you do that, the play is dead as soon as you catch it.


This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.

The reason the ball wasn't blown dead for lack of forward progress, as some people say it should be, is that because it is a kickoff it is a live ball until he is downed by contact or goes out of bounds. He could have taken off running at any time, and in fact this is a strategy that has been used by a few kick returners in the past. I have seen Deon Sanders catch a kickoff in the endzone and just stand there. Then when the coverage team stops or turns around because they think the play is dead he takes off. The kick returner can do this to trick the coverage team as long as he doesn't make any move that looks like he is taking a knee, I have also seen Deon Sanders fake taking a knee in the endzone on a kickoff and return the ball for a TD but had it called back for the penalty.
 
2011-12-07 11:51:51 AM  

buckeyebrain: Maysin: Jim from Saint Paul: This link should be good for those unable to click subby's link at work.

/also

Really a rickroll... Is it 2005 2001 again...

/Pet peeve


Ah, but it still amuses me. So there's that.
 
2011-12-07 11:52:13 AM  

ongbok: This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.


You can fair catch a kickoff. It's a smart move on an onside kick if the kicker doesn't bounce the ball right off the tee and goes for a chip shot instead.
 
2011-12-07 11:57:22 AM  

czetie: 11 seconds. *shakes tiny internet fist*.


11 minutes, 27 seconds.... but close enough for jazz.
 
2011-12-07 12:00:40 PM  

Donnchadha: ongbok: This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.

You can fair catch a kickoff. It's a smart move on an onside kick if the kicker doesn't bounce the ball right off the tee and goes for a chip shot instead.


The difference is, on a kickoff you still actually have to make the catch since the ball is live once it has traveled 10 yards, although (IIRC) the kicking team cannot advance the ball if they recover it. On a punt, the kicking team cannot legally be first to touch the ball.
 
2011-12-07 12:04:09 PM  
As has been mentioned, you can fair catch a kickoff. There is also a rule that if you fair catch a kickoff you can attempt a free kick fieldgoal from the spot of the catch. The defenders have to stand 10 yards away from the kicker. According to wikipedia (new window), the last such attempt in the NFL was in 2008 and the last successful attempt was in 1976.
 
2011-12-07 12:06:11 PM  

Donnchadha: czetie: 11 seconds. *shakes tiny internet fist*.

11 minutes, 27 seconds.... but close enough for jazz.


*rechecks timestamps. slinks back to bed*
 
2011-12-07 12:07:08 PM  

czetie: Donnchadha: ongbok: This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.

You can fair catch a kickoff. It's a smart move on an onside kick if the kicker doesn't bounce the ball right off the tee and goes for a chip shot instead.

The difference is, on a kickoff you still actually have to make the catch since the ball is live once it has traveled 10 yards, although (IIRC) the kicking team cannot advance the ball if they recover it. On a punt, the kicking team cannot legally be first to touch the ball.


Kicking team can advance an onside kick. See: Auburn vs. Utah State this year when they avoided that major upset in their first game.
 
2011-12-07 12:22:57 PM  

buckeyebrain: czetie: Donnchadha: ongbok: This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.

You can fair catch a kickoff. It's a smart move on an onside kick if the kicker doesn't bounce the ball right off the tee and goes for a chip shot instead.

The difference is, on a kickoff you still actually have to make the catch since the ball is live once it has traveled 10 yards, although (IIRC) the kicking team cannot advance the ball if they recover it. On a punt, the kicking team cannot legally be first to touch the ball.

Kicking team can advance an onside kick. See: Auburn vs. Utah State this year when they avoided that major upset in their first game.


I think he meant that if you call a fair catch on the onside kick you cannot advance the ball.

The defense can touch the ball, it is just considered down at that point. You see this happen all the time on punts. If the receiving team touches the ball in any way it becomes live. So if it bounces off a receiver the kicking team can recover.
 
2011-12-07 12:33:57 PM  

buckeyebrain: czetie: Donnchadha: ongbok: This was a kickoff not a punt. There is no fair catch on a kickoff as it is a live ball for either team to recover as soon as the kicker kicks it and it travels 10 yards.

You can fair catch a kickoff. It's a smart move on an onside kick if the kicker doesn't bounce the ball right off the tee and goes for a chip shot instead.

The difference is, on a kickoff you still actually have to make the catch since the ball is live once it has traveled 10 yards, although (IIRC) the kicking team cannot advance the ball if they recover it. On a punt, the kicking team cannot legally be first to touch the ball.

Kicking team can advance an onside kick. See: Auburn vs. Utah State this year when they avoided that major upset in their first game.


I don't think so. In the NFL, the kicking team can't advance the ball if they recover it. I believe the college rule is the same. The exception is if the receiving team gains possession and then loses it again: at that point, it's exactly like any other fumble.

Are you referring to this Auburn kickoff recovery (new window)?

If so, you can clearly hear one of the announcers say at 0:35 "It cannot be advanced though" and the other reply "that will come back to the point where he caught it".
 
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