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(BBC)   The 2012 list of inductees to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has been released. Guns and Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys make the cut. Welcome to the Geritol   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 236
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2011-12-07 09:40:27 AM  
It took this long for Guns and Roses?
 
2011-12-07 09:41:32 AM  
samuelsounds.files.wordpress.com

That video alone qualified them.
 
2011-12-07 09:48:02 AM  

Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?


While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time
 
2011-12-07 09:55:43 AM  

SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time


Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.
 
2011-12-07 09:59:31 AM  

TsarTom: SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time

Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.


So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.
 
2011-12-07 10:01:14 AM  

dletter: TsarTom: SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time

Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.

So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.


Ah. This I did not know.
 
2011-12-07 10:06:29 AM  
It comes with the inevitability of an unloved season - the yearly farked up feeling I get as a music fan when I think of the deserving artists that aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and will probably never be.
 
2011-12-07 10:10:02 AM  
F*ck the haters. I love RHCP. Glad to hear about Beastie Boys as well.
 
2011-12-07 10:10:26 AM  

SurfaceTension: dletter: TsarTom: SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time

Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.

So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.

Ah. This I did not know.


I do like that part of the system.
 
2011-12-07 10:20:00 AM  

TsarTom: Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.


I didn't know that.
 
2011-12-07 10:20:19 AM  
Yeah unlike most years I don't object to any of these choices, am still pissed off by some of the remaining glaring omissions that have still yet to be inducted.
 
2011-12-07 10:23:04 AM  
Scots folk singer Donovan

Now I want to listen to Hurdy Gurdy Man.
 
2011-12-07 10:23:14 AM  

TsarTom: SurfaceTension: dletter: TsarTom: SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time

Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.

So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.

Ah. This I did not know.

I do like that part of the system.


It makes sense from the perspective of it being similar to sports HOF's. Most sports HOFs have a 3-5 year wait at least after you retire, and most HOFer type careers are about 15-20 years long, so, you are looking at usually close to around 20 years after their rookie season before they are in the HOF. Obviously, with music people are still playing even when they are in the HOF, so, you need some sort of long "wait" before inducting someone. You could maybe argue it down to 20 years, but, I don't think you'd want it any sooner than that. Part of it is seeing how "history" feels about the act. There are plenty of acts that seem hot even 5-10 years after their debut, but, are mostly forgotten another 10-15 years later.
 
2011-12-07 10:25:07 AM  
Nobody involved in any portion of anything that made Stadium Arcadium's existence possible should even be allowed within 200 miles of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
 
2011-12-07 10:36:53 AM  
I'm just annoyed at the admissions that aren't rock bands or rock singers. Not the ones that suck, that's subjective. I'm talking about the ones that have nothing to do with rock n' roll.
 
2011-12-07 10:50:32 AM  
And still no Johnny Rivers.
 
2011-12-07 11:00:01 AM  

dletter: So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.


I'm not too sure how often that happens. Prince did it, I remember. Nirvana will.
 
2011-12-07 11:04:57 AM  

TsarTom: dletter: So, actually, they are first ballot HOFers.

I'm not too sure how often that happens. Prince did it, I remember. Nirvana will.


Link (new window)

Now, all of the "1st balloters" in 1986, I believe 1986 was the first year of the HOF, so, technically that is true, but, most of them had albums debut before 1961, so, it is hard to say if they all would have been "true" 1st balloters.
 
2011-12-07 11:29:49 AM  
Can't wait to see Donovan and the Beasties finally share a stage, because when it comes time for that long-awaited "Jennifer Juniper/No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn" medley there won't be a dry eye in the house.
 
2011-12-07 11:45:38 AM  

dletter: It makes sense from the perspective of it being similar to sports HOF's. Most sports HOFs have a 3-5 year wait at least after you retire, and most HOFer type careers are about 15-20 years long, so, you are looking at usually close to around 20 years after their rookie season before they are in the HOF. Obviously, with music people are still playing even when they are in the HOF, so, you need some sort of long "wait" before inducting someone. You could maybe argue it down to 20 years, but, I don't think you'd want it any sooner than that. Part of it is seeing how "history" feels about the act. There are plenty of acts that seem hot even 5-10 years after their debut, but, are mostly forgotten another 10-15 years later.


I think it also helps to rule out singers/bands that have a huge following for a short time. I'm think of Justin Bieber, of course. If he were on the ballot today, many many teenaged girls would flood the votes.
 
2011-12-07 12:00:01 PM  
Laura Nyro is in and Rush can't even get on the ballot?
 
2011-12-07 12:06:41 PM  
I can't believe I am this old.
 
2011-12-07 12:07:33 PM  
All great picks.
Current music pales by comparison.
 
2011-12-07 12:11:14 PM  

TsarTom: SurfaceTension: Mugato: It took this long for Guns and Roses?

While the quality of their work is outstanding, the brief flicker of the band's existence probably held then back from being inducted sooner.

/in my mind G'n'R could have been one of the top 5 bands of all time

Artists become eligible 25 years after their debut album. Appetite for Destruction came out in 1987.


So I have to wait 25 years for Loutallica to get the recognition they deserve? Life is so unfair.
 
2011-12-07 12:12:42 PM  
I am stunned that GnR made it. They were a flash in the pan. Their singer is horrible. I consider him to be one of the worst ever. I cannot listen to GnR. It comes on the radio and I turn it off, which is sad because the band is quite good.

But the songs are sophomoric drivel. They just were not that important. Horrible choice. And FIRST BALLOT?!!!

Ridiculous.
 
2011-12-07 12:12:46 PM  
So in other words, 3 really good, successful groups, none of whom play Rock and Roll.

/well, i guess the Beasties sampled Zeppelin now and again.
 
2011-12-07 12:14:09 PM  
I remember when GnR came w/ Alice Cooper when I was like 15. All my friends made fun of Axl's vocals. That criticism didn't last long. I can't believe two acts from my early teens are now H-o-Fers. Beasties should take Kerry King w/them!
 
2011-12-07 12:14:55 PM  
Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, NoMeansNo, Dead Kennedys, The Wipers, and TMBG all still waiting for a call.
 
2011-12-07 12:15:52 PM  
I can only hope Axl Rose goes full-on Axl Rose at the ceremony. Jann Wenner and Rose deserve each other's bullshiat.
 
2011-12-07 12:17:57 PM  
Duh...left out RHCP in my previous post. Farkin three bands I grew up with. I'll be 40 in August. Ugh.


Gunny Highway: Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, NoMeansNo, Dead Kennedys, The Wipers, and TMBG all still waiting for a call.


Stop telling people about NMN! They're a band I can be all indignant and hipsterish about!
 
2011-12-07 12:19:25 PM  
Why lump the Small Faces and the Faces together, they were two totally different bands. Also Steve Marriot with Humble Pie should be in the Hall of Fame too.
 
2011-12-07 12:20:36 PM  

BurnShrike: dletter: It makes sense from the perspective of it being similar to sports HOF's. Most sports HOFs have a 3-5 year wait at least after you retire, and most HOFer type careers are about 15-20 years long, so, you are looking at usually close to around 20 years after their rookie season before they are in the HOF. Obviously, with music people are still playing even when they are in the HOF, so, you need some sort of long "wait" before inducting someone. You could maybe argue it down to 20 years, but, I don't think you'd want it any sooner than that. Part of it is seeing how "history" feels about the act. There are plenty of acts that seem hot even 5-10 years after their debut, but, are mostly forgotten another 10-15 years later.

I think it also helps to rule out singers/bands that have a huge following for a short time. I'm think of Justin Bieber, of course. If he were on the ballot today, many many teenaged girls would flood the votes.


Voting's by music press only IIRC (or at leas by approved HoF committee members) so no fan flooding, but it's meant to stop a one-album critical darling getting in and then producing crap from then on. At this point in time what you see is what you get, and there's no surprise embarrassments after 25 years.

That, and to be cynical, the chance for a reunion means the event itself is a draw - active bands don't have the "they vowed never to play again together, but here they are" going for them as much.

Not a bad list, though I disagree with RHCP's induction, and a few others I don't know enough to comment on.
 
2011-12-07 12:21:06 PM  
sprawl15

So I have to wait 25 years for Loutallica to get the recognition they deserve? Life is so unfair.

had to go check it out and yikes. that is terrible.
 
2011-12-07 12:21:28 PM  

shastacola: Also Steve Marriot with Humble Pie should be in the Hall of Fame too.


THIS

Link (terribly underrated)
 
2011-12-07 12:22:14 PM  
Gah, lemme reword that:

"Not a bad list, though I disagree with RHCP's induction. There's a few others I don't know enough to comment on, so I can't say much there."
 
2011-12-07 12:22:26 PM  
Still no Rush?

Still epic fail.
 
2011-12-07 12:25:32 PM  
I got nothing against GNR fans, but god his voice is so farking annoying

/great list though
 
2011-12-07 12:26:12 PM  
gah, I hate the chili peppers. its like Don Sutton getting in to the Baseball Hall. Just because they have been around a long time. feh. Beasties on the other hand is well deserved.
 
2011-12-07 12:26:43 PM  
News for GenXYZwhatevermitter: generally speaking, a hall of Fame is not some place to shovel in everyone you like from the last week. There is a waiting period, to see if the proposed inductees pass the Test of Tim.

/And Tim is an old geezer who was around before Geritol was even invented.
 
2011-12-07 12:28:05 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I am stunned that GnR made it. They were a flash in the pan. Their singer is horrible. I consider him to be one of the worst ever. I cannot listen to GnR. It comes on the radio and I turn it off, which is sad because the band is quite good.

But the songs are sophomoric drivel. They just were not that important. Horrible choice. And FIRST BALLOT?!!!

Ridiculous.


1\10. GNR were one of the best rock n roll bands to ever exist. Appetite for Destruction is nothing short of a masterpiece of rock. Illusion 1 and 2 could have been better as 1 strong record, but that doesn't remove the fact that the album as a whole is pretty fantastic, and November Rain is arguably one of the best songs ever recorded.

yep, amazingly enough, they really WERE that important.
 
2011-12-07 12:28:32 PM  

unlikely: And still no Johnny Rivers.


Don't get me started.
 
2011-12-07 12:29:25 PM  

T.rex: So in other words, 3 really good, successful groups, none of whom play Rock and Roll.

/well, i guess the Beasties sampled Zeppelin now and again.


If GnR isn't rock and roll, wtf is it?
 
2011-12-07 12:29:46 PM  
I'm glad RHCP are being inducted. I think it's good that they stopped making music after Blood Sugar Sex Magic before their stuff started to get watered-down, trite and repetitive.
 
2011-12-07 12:32:45 PM  

23FPB23: Stop telling people about NMN! They're a band I can be all indignant and hipsterish about!


Do not let them head "More ICMBs" because that could end up with a full scale invasion of new fans.
 
2011-12-07 12:35:49 PM  

Gulper Eel: Can't wait to see Donovan and the Beasties finally share a stage, because when it comes time for that long-awaited "Jennifer Juniper/No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn" medley there won't be a dry eye in the house.


They should have Ione Skye introduce it.
 
2011-12-07 12:36:11 PM  

frepnog: and November Rain is arguably one of the best songs ever recorded


Ahh, man... I was with you right up until that last part.
 
2011-12-07 12:37:08 PM  
loudwire.com
 
2011-12-07 12:38:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I am stunned that GnR made it. They were a flash in the pan. Their singer is horrible. I consider him to be one of the worst ever. I cannot listen to GnR. It comes on the radio and I turn it off, which is sad because the band is quite good.

But the songs are sophomoric drivel. They just were not that important. Horrible choice. And FIRST BALLOT?!!!

Ridiculous.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2011-12-07 12:40:21 PM  

peewinkle: unlikely: And still no Johnny Rivers.

Don't get me started.


Rush. Chicago. Heart. Every year, same snubs. You could also make a strong case for Hall and Oates.
 
2011-12-07 12:41:04 PM  
as someone who grew up with rhcp, beastie boys, and gnr (although i like rhcp & bb FAR more than i do gnr), i have no problem with any of them being in the hof

you may disagree with bb because they're not "rock n roll", but they DID start as a ny hardcore band AND many of their albums have a LOT of rock, as well as jazz, latin-style, etc., and many of their influences are indeed rock. also, they get played far more on rock (modern/alt rock) stations than they do rap stations. i think they are one of the major factors in the acceptance (like it or not) of rap in rock bands (rage, linkin park, etc)

gnr may have the terrible axl rose, but they are otherwise a very solid band. the "flash in the pan" is mostly due to axl, but it's nearly impossible to deny the impact "appetite..." and the "use your illusion" albums had on rock and other music

rhcp are just rhcp. and yes they have indeed had influence (direct or otherwise) on about 30 years of musicians in rock and other styles
 
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