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cowsspinach		2011-12-07 01:49:04 PM

Seriously? Guns N Roses????? I just had to google them because I only knew Axl Rose from the band. I thought Slash was in Poison or White Snakes.

/off your lawn

AdolfOliverPanties		2011-12-07 01:50:37 PM

Wait a farking second. HEART is NOT in the RRHOF?

And GnR and Beastie Boys are?

That is farking criminal.

Heart is WAY more important than GnR or Beasties.

busy chillin'		2011-12-07 01:53:18 PM

AdolfOliverPanties
Wait a farking second. HEART is NOT in the RRHOF?

And GnR and Beastie Boys are?

That is farking criminal.

Heart is WAY more important than GnR or Beasties.

You should go crazy on HOF, crazy crazy on HOFFFFFFFFFFOoooooooo ohhhhhhhhhhh

The Lone Talbot		2011-12-07 01:55:44 PM

RCHP, GNR, and the Boys all clearly deserve to be in.

But still, WHAR RUSH AND KISS???

spacebar		2011-12-07 01:59:02 PM

VibroCount: There is nothing horribly wrong about this induction, but it rubs me the wrong way. Laura Nyro was a mediocre performer at best, but her songwriting might be worth inducting her alone.

I'm gonna stop you right there... I'ma let you finish, but that's bullshiat. I personally witnessed several amazing performances by Laura Nyro in her last 15 years, and I own several amazing live recordings from the 20 years before that. Not only was she an (here's that word again...) amazing singer, and yes, songwriter, but her piano style was completely unique. The way she stretched and contracted tempo to effect emotion was incredible.

Freddie King needed to be inducted as a performer rather than an early influence. The rest is okay. The serious problem I have is that there are amazingly deserving performers who never get nominated...
Johnny Burnette Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Big Mama Thornton
Billy Ward & His Dominoes
John Mayall's Bluesbreakers
Public Enemy
N.W.A
Link Wray
Gram Parsons
Dick Dale
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Esther Phillips aka Little Esther
... among others.

Yep, and I might as well throw in my annual "Where the fark is King Crimson?" here. Guns n' Roses before the Crim? Hell, 2/3 of the RRHoF before the Crim? As an organization that calls itself a "Hall of Fame" thats pretty farking embarrassing.

The Muthaship		2011-12-07 01:59:16 PM

cowsspinach: Seriously? Guns N Roses????? I just had to google them because I only knew Axl Rose from the band. I thought Slash was in Poison or White ~~Snakes~~ Stripes.

/off your lawn

FTFY

Sybarite		2011-12-07 02:00:15 PM

I'm not big on "your band sucks" pissing contests, but I'd rather be tied to a chair and forced to listen to every last single currently gumming up the Top 40 charts than listen to a single Rush song ever again. Geddy Lee has the worst voice in the history of popular music. I mean like worse than the people that don't make it past the first round of American Idol. A single line sung by Lee is enough to make me want to jab my eardrums out with a pen. I'd sooner see Nickelback inducted into the HOF at the same time as Creed and Limp Bizkit than Rush.

darkjezter		2011-12-07 02:01:25 PM

R&RHoF is a complete farking joke. Always has been. It's nothing but a list of bands that Jann Wenner likes, and they don't even have to be rock bands either. Madonna, Michael Jackson, and Run DMC have been inducted while groups like KISS, Rush, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Deep Purple get passed over year after year.

Being inducted is a meaningless awars from a clueless institution. The R&RHoF is even less relevant than the Grammys.

The Lone Talbot		2011-12-07 02:02:42 PM

BroVinny: If the Beasties are in (no argument here), I think Rick Rubin should be inducted as well.

Rick Rubin production discography:

Link (new window)

I'm going to agree with Rick Rubin getting elected 100%

dletter		2011-12-07 02:03:06 PM

Sybarite: I'm not big on "your band sucks" pissing contests.... but I'm going to do it anyway

The Muthaship		2011-12-07 02:04:26 PM

dletter: Sybarite: I'm not big on "your band sucks" pissing contests.... but I'm going to do it anyway

No sh*t! He should be big on it. Look how good he is at it!

torr5962		2011-12-07 02:05:02 PM

its like Don Sutton getting in to the Baseball Hall.

+10000000

Ive said this for years. I got into an email war with Philly Daily News' Bill Conlin because he voted for him. His take, "He was consistent for over 20 years". Me: "He was never the go-to best guy on any team he was ever on." This from a guy who didnt vote for Nolan Ryan on first ballot.

Also.........does the fact that Bon Jovi is in a shiatty Garry Marshall movie permanently exclude his band from future nominations?

just wondering......

xdedd		2011-12-07 02:08:39 PM

So now the question is will Axl Rose and Slash perform on stage together?

Axl's latest comment...

"I don't know what [the nomination] means in terms of me and the old band," he said. "I don't know - that is still all up in the air. It's an honor to be on the nomination and I know there is definitely an element of the fans that really like that."

The Axl Rose Band is an abomination. I was a huge fan of GNR and saw them a handful of times back in the day. Stadiums would melt down when they played Jungle and Paradise City. And granted they would come on late but they'd play 2.5 hrs. I am absolutely giddy at seeing Slash, Duff and Izzy performing on stage again. Izzy and Slash kick all kinds of ass.

Gunny Highway		2011-12-07 02:10:10 PM

Pantera needs to get in as well.

And a punk band that isnt from NY or London.

Pants full of macaroni!!		2011-12-07 02:11:34 PM

Another prog-free induction class. Thanks a lot, Jann!

/surprised he let Pink Floyd and Genesis in

Odd Bird		2011-12-07 02:12:22 PM

ricewater_stool: Laura Nyro is in and Rush can't even get on the ballot?

Came here for the Rush butt hurt, not disappointed.

As GnR is in and Rush will never be, RR HoF is completely irrelevant.

CoolHandLucas		2011-12-07 02:13:24 PM

Another year, another injustice by the RRHoF.

www.giantpanther.com

drumfreek		2011-12-07 02:14:09 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking second. HEART is NOT in the RRHOF?

And GnR and Beastie Boys are?

That is farking criminal.

Heart is WAY more important than GnR or Beasties.

Sorry but Heart was nothing but a femal Led Zeppelin knock-off. Even they admit it.

bungle_jr		2011-12-07 02:18:23 PM

INeedAName: RHCP: I liked Californication, but stopped there. I enjoyed the social commentary, but their music lost that edge it once had.

I work with teens, and one of the girls was saying how she was all about RHCP and wanted to know what albums to buy of their old stuff. I wanted to recommend Blood, Sugar, Sex Magik but I shouldn't be encouraging them to listen to anything as profane as that, no matter how good it is!

huh? they should most indeed be encouraged, profane or not! there's plenty of nastiness in the stuff kids listen to these days...and none of them do it as artistically as rhcp!

Coco LaFemme		2011-12-07 02:19:39 PM

As a huge Beastie Boys fans, I'm very happy for them. On the other hand, Heart deserves to be in, and I'd rather they got in before the B-Boys. While the Beastie Boys had rock influences, and started out as a hardcore punk band, Heart was more balls-to-the-wall rock and roll.

I don't think Jann Wenner hates women. There's a lot of women in the RRHoF, just none that were in rock bands/were rock singers.

Loose_Stool		2011-12-07 02:21:28 PM

Red Hot Chili Peppers?
Don't they just keep putting out the same song with different Lyrics?
No Rush, No Judas Priest, No Def Leppard?
The Rock & Roll Hall of fame is BS!

AdolfOliverPanties		2011-12-07 02:24:34 PM

frepnog: that's fine, but on what rounds? Appetite for Destruction IS one of the best rock records ever recorded. November Rain is the single bet song on the Illusion records and has one of the best music videos ever made.

if you don't like them, fine, but facts is what facts is.

You are arguing facts about something subjective like music? I don't consider GnR to be an important band. I definitely don't consider them to be as important as Axl Rose thinks he is.

I liked their music, to a certain extent, but their singer is an absolute tool. A horrible whiny, nasally shrieky poser of a singer (listen to the last 17 seconds of "Don't Cry" and tell yourself he is a good singer,) who thinks he is a Rock God whose shiat doesn't stink.

They are not RRHOF-worthy when so many other important, trendsetting, groundbreaking groups have been overlooked.

And these of course are OPINIONS, as facts don't come into play with something like this.

blackminded		2011-12-07 02:26:03 PM

Tom_Slick: There is only 1 reason Guns 'n Roses is in the Hall of Fame, and I couldn't agree more with that reason.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x514]

Slash is hands down one of the greatest guitarists to ever hold an axe. If you disagree, you're a stupid poopy head.

VibroCount		2011-12-07 02:28:48 PM

spacebar: VibroCount: There is nothing horribly wrong about this induction, but it rubs me the wrong way. Laura Nyro was a mediocre performer at best, but her songwriting might be worth inducting her alone.

I'm gonna stop you right there... I'ma let you finish, but that's bullshiat. I personally witnessed several amazing performances by Laura Nyro in her last 15 years, and I own several amazing live recordings from the 20 years before that. Not only was she an (here's that word again...) amazing singer, and yes, songwriter, but her piano style was completely unique. The way she stretched and contracted tempo to effect emotion was incredible.

Sorry, but I was at the Monterey Pops Festival. My ears still bleed. She may have gotten better, but the performance I heard was as bad as anything I've ever heard.

bungle_jr		2011-12-07 02:30:27 PM

drumfreek: AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking second. HEART is NOT in the RRHOF?

And GnR and Beastie Boys are?

That is farking criminal.

Heart is WAY more important than GnR or Beasties.

Sorry but Heart was nothing but a femal Led Zeppelin knock-off. Even they admit it.

and? if you're going to try to copy a band, may as well copy someone good

dletter		2011-12-07 02:33:07 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: frepnog: that's fine, but on what rounds? Appetite for Destruction IS one of the best rock records ever recorded. November Rain is the single bet song on the Illusion records and has one of the best music videos ever made.

if you don't like them, fine, but facts is what facts is.

You are arguing facts about something subjective like music? I don't consider GnR to be an important band. I definitely don't consider them to be as important as Axl Rose thinks he is.

I liked their music, to a certain extent, but their singer is an absolute tool. A horrible whiny, nasally shrieky poser of a singer (listen to the last 17 seconds of "Don't Cry" and tell yourself he is a good singer,) who thinks he is a Rock God whose shiat doesn't stink.

They are not RRHOF-worthy when so many other important, trendsetting, groundbreaking groups have been overlooked.

And these of course are OPINIONS, as facts don't come into play with something like this.

Well, for the most part, these types of things are for the most part "opinions", although, going back to sports HOFs... you do have statistical "facts" that, almost universally, means someone is getting into the HOF (3,000 hits, 500* HRs, 400 passing TDs, 25,000 NBA points).

So, I would imagine there are probably some numbers that, regardless of whatever else you believe about the artist, should mean they are a "shoo-in" for induction... (X Career album sales, X Gold/Platinum Records, X songs in the Top 40/10/#1, etc). I don't have any illusions that I know what those are like i know the sports stats above... maybe they don't exist hard & fast for the R&R HOF.

And as far as people arguing whether people are really even "Rock n Roll"... at this point, is the "RnR HOF" really more of a "Popular Music/Billboard List" HOF anyway? I think if we start seeing some really only "rap" acts make it, that will confirm it, but, it has started to feel like it is going down that road.

bungle_jr		2011-12-07 02:35:26 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: frepnog: that's fine, but on what rounds? Appetite for Destruction IS one of the best rock records ever recorded. November Rain is the single bet song on the Illusion records and has one of the best music videos ever made.

if you don't like them, fine, but facts is what facts is.

You are arguing facts about something subjective like music? I don't consider GnR to be an important band. I definitely don't consider them to be as important as Axl Rose thinks he is.

I liked their music, to a certain extent, but their singer is an absolute tool. A horrible whiny, nasally shrieky poser of a singer (listen to the last 17 seconds of "Don't Cry" and tell yourself he is a good singer,) who thinks he is a Rock God whose shiat doesn't stink.

They are not RRHOF-worthy when so many other important, trendsetting, groundbreaking groups have been overlooked.

And these of course are OPINIONS, as facts don't come into play with something like this.

almost, but not quite.
undeniable fact: gnr have indeed been a huge influence on many bands (both well-known and those who'll never make it out of the garage, and every level in between), and they were one of the biggest bands in existence in the late 80s up to about 92/93. while many many things about music are SUBJECTIVE, these are truths...that or all the bands who say they were influenced by gnr are, themselves, liars

subjective opinion: gnr are (were) a great band. this is pure opinion. one i agree with, if i also include a lot of cons to their pros

AntonChigger		2011-12-07 02:36:12 PM

Deep Purple? Anyone?

Tripper64		2011-12-07 02:36:41 PM

whither_apophis: And Heart and Joan Jett didn't make it. Rolling Stone has spoken: chicks can't rock.

Suzi Quatro should get in before Joan Jett.

bungle_jr		2011-12-07 02:39:44 PM

The Lone Talbot: BroVinny: If the Beasties are in (no argument here), I think Rick Rubin should be inducted as well.

Rick Rubin production discography:

Link (new window)

I'm going to agree with Rick Rubin getting elected 100%

yes, rick should get pretty much everything he wants, based, if nothing else, on the johnny cash american recordings alone! not to mention his influence with the black crowes, rhcp, beastie boys, AND metal bands like slayer and soad, AND rap artists like ll cool j and run dmc! the guy seems to have had a hand in pretty much all non-dance pop music for the last 30 years!

Cooper420		2011-12-07 02:43:20 PM

Here's a simple answer to all of the complaining of who is and who isn't in.

The Rock&Roll Hall of Fame is a piece of garbage, it STINKS.

AdolfOliverPanties		2011-12-07 02:45:02 PM

bungle_jr		2011-12-07 02:45:53 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: drumfreek: AdolfOliverPanties: Wait a farking second. HEART is NOT in the RRHOF?

And GnR and Beastie Boys are?

That is farking criminal.

Heart is WAY more important than GnR or Beasties.

Sorry but Heart was nothing but a femal Led Zeppelin knock-off. Even they admit it.

So GnR didn't copy LZ's style?

no, not really

spacebar		2011-12-07 02:50:01 PM

VibroCount: spacebar: VibroCount: There is nothing horribly wrong about this induction, but it rubs me the wrong way. Laura Nyro was a mediocre performer at best, but her songwriting might be worth inducting her alone.

I'm gonna stop you right there... I'ma let you finish, but that's bullshiat. I personally witnessed several amazing performances by Laura Nyro in her last 15 years, and I own several amazing live recordings from the 20 years before that. Not only was she an (here's that word again...) amazing singer, and yes, songwriter, but her piano style was completely unique. The way she stretched and contracted tempo to effect emotion was incredible.

Sorry, but I was at the Monterey Pops Festival. My ears still bleed. She may have gotten better, but the performance I heard was as bad as anything I've ever heard.

Dude, first major gig, second gig ever. Scheduled between The Byrds and The Airplane. Shiat happens. Let it go. If she was really that bad we wouldn't still be talking about her now.

I wouldn't want to be remembered by my worst gig ever.

/jealous you were there
//btw, I'm off your lawn ;-P

evilstar		2011-12-07 02:55:03 PM

Black Flag
The Smiths
The Cure

All are far more important than Donovan and Laura Nyro.

Tom_Slick		2011-12-07 02:55:14 PM

AntonChigger: Deep Purple? Anyone?

Only because smoke on the water should be Cleveland's theme song.

happydude45		2011-12-07 02:59:57 PM

I second those who suggested Deep Purple & The Smiths. If you really want to get down to brass tacks, Mountain should have been in there a long time ago.

FerneJohn		2011-12-07 03:00:07 PM

Is it wrong that I'd like to see Men at Work inducted?

AntonChigger		2011-12-07 03:02:02 PM

Tom_Slick: AntonChigger: Deep Purple? Anyone?

Only because smoke on the water should be Cleveland's theme song.

B-b-but what about Child in Time, Highway Star, Strange Kind of Woman, and the fact that they once held the World Record for Playing the Loudest???

/RIchie Blackmore was and still is a prima donna asshole, but the man can play with the best of them.

happydude45		2011-12-07 03:03:16 PM

Oh, and Uriah Heep.

Mr_Ectomy		2011-12-07 03:03:23 PM

Wake me when Weird Al gets inducted.

spacebar		2011-12-07 03:03:38 PM

evilstar: Black Flag
The Smiths
The Cure

All are far more important than Donovan and Laura Nyro.

Yeah, if you were born 15 minutes ago.

VibroCount		2011-12-07 03:07:15 PM

spacebar: VibroCount: spacebar: VibroCount: There is nothing horribly wrong about this induction, but it rubs me the wrong way. Laura Nyro was a mediocre performer at best, but her songwriting might be worth inducting her alone.

I'm gonna stop you right there... I'ma let you finish, but that's bullshiat. I personally witnessed several amazing performances by Laura Nyro in her last 15 years, and I own several amazing live recordings from the 20 years before that. Not only was she an (here's that word again...) amazing singer, and yes, songwriter, but her piano style was completely unique. The way she stretched and contracted tempo to effect emotion was incredible.

Sorry, but I was at the Monterey Pops Festival. My ears still bleed. She may have gotten better, but the performance I heard was as bad as anything I've ever heard.

Dude, first major gig, second gig ever. Scheduled between The Byrds and The Airplane. Shiat happens. Let it go. If she was really that bad we wouldn't still be talking about her now.

I wouldn't want to be remembered by my worst gig ever.

/jealous you were there
//btw, I'm off your lawn ;-P

It's cool. You enjoy her work; I'm not a fan. Many people I agree with (often, never always) think her songs are among the best ever written. Too few admire her chops, like you do. The Byrds were so stoned at Monterey none of their instruments were in tune with themselves, let alone with each other. I liked many of Crosby's new songs, but their set was ragged at best.

My point was less that these inductees might not deserve the honor (I suspect they do), but that many (many, many) pioneers are still unnominated. A veterans' committee with real power is needed, I believe.

My lawn is great to be on... join the fun! You can tell me of Nyro's good gigs... it would be better than reliving her disaster at Monterey.

Poorlytoldjoke		2011-12-07 03:13:25 PM

Somewhere, the Cure is very sad. no accounting for taste, as they were one of the biggest bands on the planet and had a pretty incredible run of about 15 years of amazing albums. (15 years of mediocre ones followed) but it certainly beats GnRs one good album, one good EP, and then descent into mediocrity and beyond. Use your illusions had enough good material for maybe an EP, but make it a double album and it's bloated crap. The Spaghetti Incident should be enough to disqualify them from life, let alone the HOF.

RobDownSouth		2011-12-07 03:14:30 PM

Poison:
Jannie will put Yoko Ono in before Rush, or anyone else he doesn't like. He's also afraid of women-Heart, Ronstadt, Joan Jett. Madonna threatened to beat him up, and he's just plain wigged out by Patti Smith.

Probably true, but Wenner does occasionally succumb to public pressure...he put aside his deep seething hatred towards Alice Cooper last year, and will eventually capitulate to the KISS army someday.

....but not Rush. Never Rush.

Mr_Fabulous		2011-12-07 03:16:46 PM

spacebar: evilstar: Black Flag
The Smiths
The Cure

All are far more important than Donovan and Laura Nyro.

Yeah, if you were born 15 minutes ago.

I've been an enthusiastic music fan since 1975, and I agree with evilstar.

downstairs		2011-12-07 03:17:35 PM

I'm not a big KISS fan at all, but come on... they need to be in there.

/Saw them live 3 years ago, first row. It was a blast.

downstairs		2011-12-07 03:19:29 PM

Mr_Fabulous: spacebar: evilstar: Black Flag
The Smiths
The Cure

All are far more important than Donovan and Laura Nyro.

Yeah, if you were born 15 minutes ago.

I've been an enthusiastic music fan since 1975, and I agree with evilstar.

Same here (although 1980 for me)... The Cure and Black Flag especially.