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(CNN)   Contrary to popular belief, atheists do take their families to church. "We thought that these individuals might be less inclined to introduce their children to religious traditions, but we found the exact opposite to be true"   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 522
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2011-12-07 09:46:01 AM
If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.
 
2011-12-07 09:47:28 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.


Thread over.
 
2011-12-07 09:48:41 AM

moonage daydream: OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.

Thread over.


Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?
 
2011-12-07 09:49:35 AM
lh5.googleusercontent.com


/let them go to church, try to scare money out of them, they will see it for what it truly is
//fear is a powerful motivator
///plus they wanna rape your sons
 
2011-12-07 09:49:49 AM
God - the real God, not the blood-thirsty, megalomaniac in the Old Testament - loves atheists, and will wait for them with open arms for as long as it takes.

And, no, morons, I don't think God has arms.
 
2011-12-07 09:50:18 AM

LL316: moonage daydream: OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.

Thread over.

Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?


Wow, holier than thou Christians? Who'd have thunk it?
 
2011-12-07 09:51:07 AM
Who wants popcorn?
 
2011-12-07 09:51:15 AM
A religious flamewar so early in the day?
Yes.
 
2011-12-07 09:51:17 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.


There's nothing stopping you from enjoying a simple $1.99 chew toy as well. No reason to be stingy with your own happiness.
 
2011-12-07 09:52:54 AM
No we don't.

We do, however, enthusiastically support pagan holy days. (Lookin' at you, Santa...)
 
2011-12-07 09:53:06 AM
Go ahead and take them to church just don't leave the boys alone with the pastor/priest
 
2011-12-07 09:53:07 AM
Crappy study by someone forcing the data to show the opposite of what it actually proves.
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.c om/2011/12/05/two-posts-you-shou l d-read/
 
2011-12-07 09:53:55 AM
It's easier to glean the good qualities about something from an objective viewpoint, such as the teachings of Jesus. Fundies use their religion like a club on the "unbelievers".
 
2011-12-07 09:54:03 AM
Sure, why not? Exposure to religion helped make me an atheist more than anything.
 
2011-12-07 09:54:21 AM

niloroth: Crappy study by someone forcing the data to show the opposite of what it actually proves.
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.c om/2011/12/05/two-posts-you-shou l d-read/


Someone needs to provide you with a link on how not to use the link button and not add extra spaces in them
 
2011-12-07 09:54:22 AM

LL316: moonage daydream: OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.

Thread over.

Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?


i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-07 09:54:43 AM

LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?


Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.
 
2011-12-07 09:55:10 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.


One and done
 
2011-12-07 09:58:03 AM
it's good to have choices; in countries that aren't predominantly christian, there would be no tolerance for atheism. Also, non-christian majority nations tend to be shiatholes.
 
2011-12-07 09:59:11 AM
How else is your child going to learn why you don't go to church unless you take them there?
 
2011-12-07 09:59:16 AM

LL316: moonage daydream: OtherBrotherDarryl: If my son wanted to start going to church, I'd take him. Frankly, I'm jealous of those who find their answers in religion. But I'm also jealous of how happy my dog gets from a simple $1.99 chew toy.

Thread over.

Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?


Please learn to spell: it's A-T-H-E-I-S-T.

Funerals and weddings aside, atheists who take/send their families to church -- especially their kids -- are blasphemers (for lack of a better word to convey my meaning). It might be improper to forbid them to go when they know what they're doing (e.g., teenagers but not little kids), but it's immoral to send anyone into such a den of thieves.
 
2011-12-07 09:59:49 AM

soakitincider: hiat


(Laughs at you.)

There are plenty of Christian majority nations that are shiatholes too (i.e., most of subsaharan Africa).
 
2011-12-07 10:00:20 AM

urban.derelict: Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.


Wait a minute now. Are you condescending or not condescending? I'm so confused...

//By the way, I'm Christian and I know a lot of Christians; none of us that I know support Bachmann. Weird, huh?
 
2011-12-07 10:01:20 AM

urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.


It isn't "blind faith" or :religious wishful thinking. Christianity: Bolted to Reality (new window)

Faith and Wishing (new window)
 
2011-12-07 10:02:09 AM
Huh. Though I'm an atheist, I sometimes attend the Unitarian Universalist church. Only churchgoing atheist I know.
 
2011-12-07 10:02:09 AM
Both my kids have a pretty good understanding of the foundation behind Christianism. They know the stories, but I've left out the magic. They know who Jesus was, what his ideals where, not all of them were good, and how eventually his ideas, mixed in with John's ideals and the Roman Empire helped create what we have today.

So we have a Christian framework, but we are not mystical.
 
2011-12-07 10:02:46 AM
Doesn't surprise me much. A common beef among atheists who grew up in religious (or semi-religious) homes is that we were indoctrinated into religion. I was Baptized without my consent (or even knowledge, really), and I was never asked, not even once, if I wanted to be Confirmed. It simply never occurred to the adults in my life that I might have a problem with that.

Should I ever have children, (I've never felt much need to procreate, not even now that I'm older), I intend to help them make their own informed choices about religion, the same way I intend to help them make their own informed choices about their own bodies. Until then, I see my role as protecting them from religious indoctrination, including my own.

/ Besides, you have to be 21 in my province before the beer volcanoes and stripper factories.
// Kids do get the midget (so long as it's platonic) and mountains with trees, though.
 
2011-12-07 10:02:59 AM

urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.


It's kind of a catch-22. The criticism of religion cannot help but sound condescending ... even if it is unintentional. Boiled down to its very basics, religion is the belief in magic without any evidence ... not a lot of ways to sugar coat the criticism of this one.
 
2011-12-07 10:03:14 AM
It's just comforting to tell your young kids about God and heaven when a relative/dog/etc dies. We'll have a more frank discussion about the topic when they are older, if they want, and they can make up their minds then. For now, "God" is just one more method to avoid the next tantrum.

/have taken my kids to church
//my parents never took me, and they aren't atheists
 
2011-12-07 10:04:04 AM

urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.


Athiests generally don't go batshiat crazy if one of their kids decides to follow a religion. Christians (especially evangelicals) do have a problem if a kid becomes an athiest. I take my kids to church all the time (Presbyterian), but the real talk about what I believe is going to have to wait until they are more mature. As long as my kids don't end up in some cult like $cientology or Mormonism I will be fine.

/Mormons are fine individually, but are tyrants when they are the majority
 
2011-12-07 10:04:56 AM
 
2011-12-07 10:05:04 AM
I'm an atheist who plans on teaching his children about God and the Devil and right and wrong in much the same manner as I will tell them about Santa Claus.
It's a good, simple way to teach until they're old enough to start asking more complicated questions.

/harmless fables for kids.
 
2011-12-07 10:05:30 AM
I'm an atheist. My philosphy with my kids is "try all the religions, maybe you'll like one". My daughter, around the age of 3, expressed an interest in god so her mother took her to a christian service and then the old jewish lady next door took her to a service at the local synagogue. Now I'm divorced and their mother crams christianity down their throats every Sunday. The result? Now they both hate church...and THAT is why many people are atheists...because they're tired of having religion thrown in their faces.

/think I went off track somewhere in this post
 
2011-12-07 10:06:35 AM

urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. Look at you morons it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.


Do you wish to try again at not being condescending?
 
2011-12-07 10:06:44 AM
Open minded people are inclined to be open minded?

Thank you Rick Romero.
 
2011-12-07 10:06:53 AM

WellBelowAverage: urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.

It isn't "blind faith" or :religious wishful thinking. Christianity: Bolted to Reality (new window)

Faith and Wishing (new window)


"So the Christian worldview has one big bolt to reality. We can explain the non-physical source of all physical things. "

No you can't. Saying "I don't know, therefore God" is not an explanation, it's an excuse.
 
2011-12-07 10:07:10 AM
We have a few atheists at our church. They enjoy the service and participate in some of the Sunday school classes and just enjoy coming, even though they don't believe in God. They are very open about the fact that they don't believe in God, and it's not a big deal. They are great people and bring excellent discussion to the Sunday school classes.

But, then again I go to a weird church in that we have several openly gay and lesbian (gasp!) members. Our baby Jesus in the Christmas pageant last year was played by the female infant of a lesbian couple. She was available, worked cheap, and cute as a button.

My fundamentalist in-laws don't much like my church, and I think my mother-in-law about fainted when we told her about the baby Jesus.
 
2011-12-07 10:07:43 AM

WellBelowAverage: urban.derelict: LL316: Wow, condescending athiests. Who'd have thunk it?

Wasn't condescending. I wish I could find 'blind faith' in fairy tales w/happy endings, beer fountains, free boobies for all. Look at you morons (not you personally but anyone who subscribes to blind faith in the supernatural) it's impossible NOT to be condescending because you don't have any facts at all, just wishful thinking. Morons like Michelle Bachmann get into office because of you blithering retards.

It isn't "blind faith" or :religious wishful thinking. Christianity: Bolted to Reality (new window)

Faith and Wishing (new window)


The irony of this post is that both links go to "Stand To Reason", a web site that purportedly "equips Christian ambassadors with knowledge, wisdom, and character." Any site that has to claim the following should be taken as suspect when asking whether Christianity is "bolted to reality":

1. What is our principle activity? Training
2. Who do we train? Christians
3. What do we train them to do? Think clearly and make a defense
4. What is the manner in which they do this? Intellectually fair, gracious and incisive
5. What will the scope of our defense? The doctrines and ethics of classical Christianity
6. Where is this defense made? The public square

If God exists, he doesn't need "defense." If He doesn't exist, said "defense" is wasted. So, why provide such "defense?" Because it's the Church, not their deity, with their immense business requirements and global reach, that needs "defense."

We will, eventually, grow out of religion. It's already started.
 
2011-12-07 10:08:28 AM

david1963: Funerals and weddings aside, atheists who take/send their families to church -- especially their kids -- are blasphemers (for lack of a better word to convey my meaning). It might be improper to forbid them to go when they know what they're doing (e.g., teenagers but not little kids), but it's immoral to send anyone into such a den of thieves.


Ehhhhhh... Yes and no.

I've been trying to find a way to take my son to church, because of the following:
1. Community involvement.
2. Easy access to volunteering opportunities.
3. Contact high - shared euphoria.

I think these can all be safely introduced to a child in a well-researched and safe (ahem) environment. My issue is that there's no online rating system for churches except Mystery Worshipper, off the top of my head.

Huh. Actually there are some church rating systems. Well I'll go look at them, but I'm going to stand by my previous assumption that the rating systems do not necessarily take "sanity" into account. I want my son to experience a loving, open, honest and earnest church. Those aren't necessarily what "real" churchgoers look for, from what I've seen. IMO, "creepy" seems to be high on the to-go list. :)
 
2011-12-07 10:08:32 AM
I've known plenty of atheists who have exposed their children to several different faith traditions, so they can see what it's all about and make up their own minds.

I have never once seen a believer bring -their- children to the local atheists meetings, to educate their children on that perspective.
 
2011-12-07 10:08:54 AM
I really don't wish to be seen as condescending, but I just gotta think, my heart of hearts tells me that a "god" who is so negligent as to leave his "children" alone with a serpent is not worthy of worship, nor even worthy of having children. Imagine, if you will, one Sunday morning in church, your neighbor leans over to you and says, "God just spoke to me. He demands that I take my son out into the field and kill him today, right after church." Are you going to let him take that boy home 20 minutes later?
 
2011-12-07 10:09:26 AM

rob.d: Both my kids have a pretty good understanding of the foundation behind Christianism. They know the stories, but I've left out the magic. They know who Jesus was, what his ideals where, not all of them were good, and how eventually his ideas, mixed in with John's ideals and the Roman Empire helped create what we have today.

So we have a Christian framework, but we are not mystical.


Yeah, that's what we're looking to do. My daughter is three, and pretty soon she's going to start asking questions about who the baby in the Christmas carols is. How do you explain that to a three-year-old?

I went to a couple of atheist organizations to see if there was anything about how to talk to your child about respecting, but not believing in, religion. The sites were all incredibly snotty and rude "tell your child to tell her friends that she doesn't believe in any invisible sky wizards," that sort of nonsense.
 
2011-12-07 10:09:48 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: "So the Christian worldview has one big bolt to reality. We can explain the non-physical source of all physical things. "

No you can't. Saying "I don't know, therefore God" is not an explanation, it's an excuse.


And, understand - that's their "defense". The site is focused on providing an "intellectually fair, gracious and incisive" set of defensive articles that ultimately boil down to that very point - the entire site is intellectually dishonest.
 
2011-12-07 10:10:00 AM
Wasn't there a survey a while ago that concluded that atheists usually know more about religion than believers ?

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-07 10:10:32 AM

Aidan: Those aren't necessarily what "real" churchgoers look for, from what I've seen. IMO, "creepy" seems to be high on the to-go list. :)


Derp. Before anyone goes into a passionate defense of their church, may I add that I'm in exurbian Michigan. Yeah, that's right. Conservatism central. So the closest UU church is 45 min away. Location, location, location. :)
 
2011-12-07 10:11:38 AM
As an atheist and a parent, I will encourage my child to explore/investigate religion. My wife (who's Catholic) and I both agree that when she's old enough to demonstrate that she can think for herself then she should be exposed to both sides of the argument, so she can have as much info as possible about the subject.
There's nothing particularly remarkable about me, so I doubt I'm alone in thinking this way.
 
2011-12-07 10:12:38 AM
I'm actually worshipped by people so I'm getting a kick out of this..........
 
2011-12-07 10:14:03 AM

buckler: Huh. Though I'm an atheist, I sometimes attend the Unitarian Universalist church. Only churchgoing atheist I know.


You go to a UU church and are the only churchgoing atheist you know? The UU churches I've attended are chock full of atheists.
 
2011-12-07 10:14:03 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The sites were all incredibly snotty and rude "tell your child to tell her friends that she doesn't believe in any invisible sky wizards," that sort of nonsense.


Unlike Christian/other religious organizations, which are all totally accepting of atheists and encourage open-mindedness!

Oh wait.
 
2011-12-07 10:14:23 AM

soakitincider: it's good to have choices; in countries that aren't predominantly christian, there would be no tolerance for atheism. Also, non-christian majority nations tend to be shiatholes.


When a non-closeted atheist can run for high office with so much as a prayer of winning, when it would be utterly unthinkable for the President to suggest that atheists shouldn't have the rights held 'by citizens', when atheists have to fight tooth and nail for the simple recognition that atheism is, yes, protected by the Establishment Clause, then you get to suggest that your country enjoys tolerance for atheism.

/ Yes, that was an intentional use of irony.
// Or pseudo-irony, can't decide which.
/// How ironic.
//// Smugly grateful every day that, with rare few exceptions that are typically quickly rectified without much fuss, _my_ democracy enjoys religious freedom.
 
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