what_now: I just want to point this out to all my liberal friends who go a giant hard-on for this guy because he's the only one not flinging his own poo.

They didn't already have issues with him 100% supporting the Ryan plan?

GOP is so self marginalizing, their most rational candidate left will be the one who quit first.

/of course
/trump doesn't, never counts

"an audience of bloggers at the Heritage Foundation"

I found your problem!

The urge to pander to rubes is strong. This will probably get him a bump too

climate change is a bunch of nonsense either way... if the neo-communist obama isn't crazy enough to try to oppose industrialiazation, it's unlikely that the GOP will do so... so why does it really matter what huntsman says?

So, there it is in plain sight for all to see.

In order to get the GOP nod, you actually have to out-douche the other guys trying to out-douche you.

At this rate, the first candidate that posts a You Tube video of him setting fire to a box of puppies and Koalas while singing "God Bless America" is gonna get the nomination.

The worst part about this: Scientists don't make policy, that's your job Mr. Huntsman.

I would have been fine if he had just said that the science doesn't necessarily tell us what policies to implement, but goddamnitsomuch, did he really have to say there's controversy about the science? Manufactured controversy is a load of horse shiat, and I thought Huntsman was above that. As it is now...well, I guess my GOP support is down to Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer now.

TV's Vinnie: So, there it is in plain sight for all to see.

In order to get the GOP nod, you actually have to out-douche the other guys trying to out-douche you.

At this rate, the first candidate that posts a You Tube video of him setting fire to a box of puppies and Koalas while singing "God Bless America" is gonna get the nomination.

Followed shortly by all the other GOP hopefuls burning their own box of puppies to show who is more American. At which point, it'll come down to breed. If the first puppy burner torched some Labs or Goldens, he's going to look like a socialist marxist left leaning nazi to the candidate that incinerated a few French Poodles, Afghan Hounds or a Lhasa Apso, you know, because the name sounds so muslim. The base will rally behind the one that burns the most "brown friendly" dog breed. Either the Chihuahua or a Pit Bull with a spiked collar.

RINOINO

The, "they should do more to ...", statement seems lazy.

I respect that Huntsman isn't a scientist and it is reasonable for him to have questions. There is a ton of information supporting global warming. What is his specific concerns does he have? I am sure someone could answer his question if he'd only ask it.

Now if changes his tune on evolution and China I might vote for.

Go Gingrich

I recall asking people in a similar thread on Mr. Huntsman if they knew what they were really asking for when they said they hoped he somehow got the GOP nomination. I was told by several people that yes, they knew what they were asking for, and gave me detailed reasons why Huntsman is a far superior candidate than the other asstards.

As you can see, he is just as capable of asstardedness as Bachmann et. al., Only it's worse, because they've only ever been asstarded to us, Huntsman used to be reasonable. Only now he sees being reasonable won't get him a seat at the big-kids table. So he has to herp and derp with the best of them to get any air time.

Pathetic. Pathetic and tragic. I'd never have voted for him, but at least I could have respected him.

BSABSVR: The urge to pander to rubes is strong.

But it is necessary to win a general election. There really are not enough people who benefit $ from GOP policies to win so Nixon figured out you need distractions like abortion to get the poor to vote for you despite the fact that your plan is to f*ck them over on the social programs they rely on

Diogenes: Serious Black: I would have been fine if he had just said that the science doesn't necessarily tell us what policies to implement, but goddamnitsomuch, did he really have to say there's controversy about the science? Manufactured controversy is a load of horse shiat, and I thought Huntsman was above that. As it is now...well, I guess my GOP support is down to Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer now.

Chuck Todd had a long segment this morning with both of them. It's a sin they're not included in the debates.

Absolutely. That said, I think it's great that they're both thinking about third-party runs (Johnson with the Libertarians and Roemer for Americans Elect) because there are at least a few Americans other than me who think they have a good message. If both follow through and get on the ballots, I plan on voting for one or the other in the general election since Kansas is destined to vote for whatever turdfest of a candidate the GOP nominates.

Oh Huntsman... why would you go down this road? Why?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Coco LaFemme: As you can see, he is just as capable of asstardedness as Bachmann et. al., Only it's worse, because they've only ever been asstarded to us, Huntsman used to be reasonable. Only now he sees being reasonable won't get him a seat at the big-kids table. So he has to herp and derp with the best of them to get any air time.

We don't know that. It's entirely possible he was always this idiotic and just managed to keep it hidden until he saw an opportunity to unleash the DERP. It's the GOP equivalent of a suicide-bomber who hides his explosives under his jacket until he can get into a crowded restaurant and do maximum damage.

/until the GOP starts actually using suicide-bombers
//we're about three years away I think

They came unarmed. This time.

The whole 1% of the population which supports his candidacy will be in great shock. They'll probably all move their votes to Buddy Roemer in order for them to have more impact on the election.

what_now: I just want to point this out to all my liberal friends who go a giant hard-on for this guy because he's the only one not flinging his own poo.

True, lots of us libs have a hard-on for the guy winning the GOP nomination, but it's a whole different kettle of locally-sourced, farm-raised, sustainably-housed fish to say we'd vote for him over Obama.

The most sane in a pants-on-someone-else's-head-retarded group.

what_now: I just want to point this out to all my liberal friends who go a giant hard-on for this guy because he's the only one not flinging his own poo.

I think Gary Johnson is the best Republican for liberal minded people. Talk about having no chance...

If you can't come out of this process with the nomination, at least try to come out of the process with your integrity.

"that United States policy should not be shaped around the threat of global warming until the science is indisputably settled and "until the Chinese are on board."

What a flip flop!

When a mormon sells his soul, what happens to his personal planet? Does it get sold in the bargain, too? Or is it auctioned? How does this work?

It's astounding that this subject is a litmus test for either side. Nothing significant will be done about AGW in any event, no matter who is in power. Economic and political reality dictate action (or inaction) in this regard, and it's plain that no meaningful steps can or will be taken to significantly reduce global CO2 emissions. Emissions will be reduced when the fuel starts to run out, and not before. The obsession over this on both sides is ridiculous. It has little to do with science and everything to do with the "culture wars." IOW, it's much ado about nothing...how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Carth: "that United States policy should not be shaped around the threat of global warming until the science is indisputably settled and "until the Chinese are on board."

What a flip flop!

This is even funnier given the reaction of the US and Canadian delegations in Durban to the Chinese offer of "binding reductions" in CO2 waste.

Hey, the North American economies need *someone* to pump out plastic crap in the cheapest manner possible, since hippies and unions ruined the party in the US and Canada. If the country in question starts making noises about sustainability and ecological concern, it might threaten the bottom line of a jahb cr'ater!

Personally, I think the Politburo members are just sick of having a brown, cloudy view out of their windows when they're stuck gladhanding and licking capitalist ass in Beijing, Chongqing, and other industrialized cities, and figure if they have to blow resources on cleanup instead of themselves, so should everyone else involved. Whether the export processors simply pack up and move the damage elsewhere remains to be seen.

canyoneer: It's astounding that this subject is a litmus test for either side. Nothing significant will be done about AGW in any event, no matter who is in power. Economic and political reality dictate action (or inaction) in this regard, and it's plain that no meaningful steps can or will be taken to significantly reduce global CO2 emissions. Emissions will be reduced when the fuel starts to run out, and not before. The obsession over this on both sides is ridiculous. It has little to do with science and everything to do with the "culture wars." IOW, it's much ado about nothing...how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Sadly, "it will be a problem long after I'm dead, so I can put off sacrificing anything" seems to be the primary position of everyone involved.

Hell, I should get off my arse and go off the grid in a temperate region somewhere, grow stuff, and read a lot of books for the rest of my days.

Serious Black: Johnson with the Libertarians

Johnson would make the Libertarian party seem a lot less crazy. As of right now I am lukewarm toward them and very shy of how friendly they are toward Ron Paul. Then having the most public face being Nick Guillespe just make them seem like a creeper trying to be the Fonz.

The US center right is a huge prize and it seems to me to be with the Dems because the other opportunity is the violent borderline autistic kid who you just kind of feel bad for, but still don´t actually want to be near. A little good marketing could easily get them to clear the amount of money they need for federal funding and serious recognition next time around. Personally I´d like to see a sane right and a real left back home to actually argue the things through and not have the major challenge be just conducting everyday business.

chimp_ninja: Once again, my filter that replaces canyoneer posts with "DOOOOOOOOOOOM!" in 96-point Comic Sans proves its worth.

Once again, little Pollyanna thinks everything is going to work out exactly as he imagines it shall in his fantasy world, regardless of the abundant evidence in front of his face to the contrary. Tell me, comic sans guy, what progress has been made toward reducing CO2 emissions recently, or in the last ten years? What are the prospects of any progress being made? Have CO2 emission been reduced at all? And finally, what is the name of the imaginary planet you live on? Does it have a cute little name, like My Little Pony World, or is it a cool sort of science-fictiony name, like Excelsioriakdom?

Of course, you won't answer any of these questions, but will authoritatively post some impressive-looking graphs instead.

PlatinumDragon: Carth: "that United States policy should not be shaped around the threat of global warming until the science is indisputably settled and "until the Chinese are on board."

What a flip flop!

This is even funnier given the reaction of the US and Canadian delegations in Durban to the Chinese offer of "binding reductions" in CO2 waste.

Hey, the North American economies need *someone* to pump out plastic crap in the cheapest manner possible, since hippies and unions ruined the party in the US and Canada. If the country in question starts making noises about sustainability and ecological concern, it might threaten the bottom line of a jahb cr'ater!

Personally, I think the Politburo members are just sick of having a brown, cloudy view out of their windows when they're stuck gladhanding and licking capitalist ass in Beijing, Chongqing, and other industrialized cities, and figure if they have to blow resources on cleanup instead of themselves, so should everyone else involved. Whether the export processors simply pack up and move the damage elsewhere remains to be seen.



China is dumping billions into green energy initiatives, and it's no accident -- China is exceedingly paranoid about mass famines. It's why they instituted the one child policy.

A few years back, the same people who warned China about over population back in the 60s pointed out they get all their water off snow melt from the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau -- areas that could conceivable become snow free in the next 100 years if something doesn't change.