WARNING BEIRBART SITE!

fark, and I clicked on it. DONT DO IT!

Looks legit...

Darth_Lukecash: WARNING BEIRBART SITE!

fark, and I clicked on it. DONT DO IT!

It's too late for me, but save yourself.

On a somewhat related note, have any heads rolled for the complete clusterfark that was Operation Fast and Furious?

Well if Breitbart says so, I can only logically assume he's harder on drug cartels than any President before, given that he's TimeCube-level wrong

It is OK though. The guns start out official and legit. When the cartels are found with them they can just blame it on the American gun enthusiasts.

Interesting, informative, and reasoned piece. Thank you for linking to Andrew Breitbart's web site, submitter.

Jesus Christ, this is an important story, and you greenlight a Breitbart link?

Direct link

Basically, the escalation of the drug war has allowed the (corrupt) Mexican government to buy guns directly from U.S. gun manufacturers without going through the Defense Department, instead just needing a rubber-stamp from the State Department. At least 1/4 of the guns purchased by the Mexican government through the State Department's DCS program end up in the cartel's hands. This does not factor in military weapons and hardware that falls into the hands of the cartels, which is considerable, given that the rate of desertion in the Mexican Army is through the roof (150,000 in six years, that's almost their entire standing army). Mexico buys more guns from the U.S. than Iraq.

Yet the media narrative is that it's the fault of American gun store owners and the NRA for making it so easy for prohibited persons and straw purchasers to buy "assault weapons" over the counter and fill up rented U-Hauls with cheap WASR-10 63s, and not the fault of the U.S. and Mexican governments for failing to account for the State and Defense Department sales of actual select-fire military hardware.

Mike_LowELL: Interesting, informative, and reasoned piece. Thank you for linking to Andrew Breitbart's web site, submitter.

It's a CBS story, bro.

Fark It: Jesus Christ, this is an important story, and you greenlight a Breitbart link?

Direct link

Basically, the escalation of the drug war has allowed the (corrupt) Mexican government to buy guns directly from U.S. gun manufacturers without going through the Defense Department, instead just needing a rubber-stamp from the State Department. At least 1/4 of the guns purchased by the Mexican government through the State Department's DCS program end up in the cartel's hands. This does not factor in military weapons and hardware that falls into the hands of the cartels, which is considerable, given that the rate of desertion in the Mexican Army is through the roof (150,000 in six years, that's almost their entire standing army). Mexico buys more guns from the U.S. than Iraq.

Yet the media narrative is that it's the fault of American gun store owners and the NRA for making it so easy for prohibited persons and straw purchasers to buy "assault weapons" over the counter and fill up rented U-Hauls with cheap WASR-10 63s, and not the fault of the U.S. and Mexican governments for failing to account for the State and Defense Department sales of actual select-fire military hardware.


Thank you. Seriously. Everyone gets Breitbutt hurt and dismisses it even though it sources from a CBS piece with actual journalism.

nmrsnr: Darth_Lukecash: WARNING BEIRBART SITE!

fark, and I clicked on it. DONT DO IT!

It's too late for me, but save yourself.

On a somewhat related note, have any heads rolled for the complete clusterfark that was Operation Fast and Furious?

On a related note, have any heads rolled for lying us into the Iraq war... wait, bad question. Have any Bush Administration heads rolled for lying us into the Iraq war?

Peter von Nostrand: nmrsnr: Darth_Lukecash: WARNING BEIRBART SITE!

fark, and I clicked on it. DONT DO IT!

It's too late for me, but save yourself.

On a somewhat related note, have any heads rolled for the complete clusterfark that was Operation Fast and Furious?

On a related note, have any heads rolled for lying us into the Iraq war... wait, bad question. Have any Bush Administration heads rolled for lying us into the Iraq war?

Get your head out of your ass.

how is this not a retarded repeat of the actual story which broke 12 months ago?
did they jsut get the news??

violentsalvation: Everyone gets Breitbutt hurt and dismisses it even though it sources from a CBS piece with actual journalism.

I know, I just don't understand why people refuse to even give a site hit to a guy who has made his entire career on selective editing and outright lying.

I'm not saying I like it - I don't...but the "Obama is selling weapons (directly) to the drug cartels" is blatant bullshiat.

And people who defended and continue to defend North/Reagan are in no position to be taken seriously.

GAT_00: violentsalvation: Everyone gets Breitbutt hurt and dismisses it even though it sources from a CBS piece with actual journalism.

I know, I just don't understand why people refuse to even give a site hit to a guy who has made his entire career on selective editing and outright lying.

Breitbart is a nutcase and a real ass. I can't stand him either. If it weren't from CBS I would dismiss this story as typical Breitbart derp. The fail tag is for subby for linking this from him instead of the source.

Not gonna click, but is this about Operation 'Fast and Furious'? Because, well, it's true.

They wanted to build a case against the cartel, so somehow the big brains of the DEA figured 'Hey, let's sell them thousands of fully functioning guns with little oversight, that should help our case in court'.

It has backfired tremendously, these weapons have lead to hundreds of deaths and thousands injured, and around 25% of them so far have been retrieved by the authorities. This is a major cock-up and surprisingly under-reported.

Go and check out the blog 'Borderland Beat' (warning: features some very graphic images of the results of cartel violence, not for the weak of heart) for much more information.

There is no doubt that this is a monumental and stupendous error. Which the irrational Left will either ignore, blame the Bush administration or mock Breibart for (or all three, really) while the irrational Right will say that it's a clear proof that the illegal immigrant muslim in the White House is currently arming Mexican Cartels in a ploy to ensure that La Raza takes over the Southern States bordering mexico and give back the ancestral land to Mexico through the North American Alliance while taking our guns and giving them to Mexicans.

The rest of us will shake our heads and wonder how the fark anyone thought this operation was a good idea to begin with and how come no one is being held accountable.

Also I can't emphasize it enough:

'Borderland Beat' is possibly the best resource in English for information about what's happening in Mexico when it comes to the Cartels, but it doesn't pull up its punches. It routinely features the aftermath of those grizzle murders, so please be warned before clicking that link.

But yeah it's a bookmark for anyone interested.

namatad: how is this not a retarded repeat of the actual story which broke 12 months ago?
did they jsut get the news??

...so you didn't watch the video?

Fark It: It's a CBS story, bro.

Conservative Broadcasting Systems, I know. One of the few outlets in North Dakota that gives a reliable broadcast.

Tatsuma

It has backfired tremendously, these weapons have lead to hundreds of deaths and thousands injured, and around 25% of them so far have been retrieved by the authorities.

Fast and Furious has led to hundreds of deaths? Oh, because without these particular weapons the cartels would have had no weapons. Its not like the cartels were already getting all of the weapons they wanted or needed, but this sting operation made some of them traceable.

No, its directly because of these guns the deaths and injuries occurred. Without the DEA letting these guns walk, those cartel enforcers would have been armed with pepper spray and tequila, nothing more.

MisterRonbo: but this sting operation made some of them traceable.

It didn't.

MisterRonbo: Without the DEA letting these guns walk

It was the ATF.

MisterRonbo: those cartel enforcers would have been armed with pepper spray and tequila, nothing more.

Well, they wouldn't have had weapons that the government TOLD the gun dealers they could sell even after they expressed reservations about the sale, and after the purchasers failed the NICS background checks. It's the ATF's job to make it harder for criminals to get guns, not easier.

James F. Campbell: I like how Republicans suddenly pretend to be interested in gun control.

I like how self-styled liberals are interested in "gun control" until their favorite alphabet soup agency, charged with "gun control," is implicated in an embarrassing, illegal scandal that goes against their very own supposed raison d'être. I like how it's still our "gun culture" and the NRA and American gun owners who are still supposedly fueling all of the cartel violence and providing "90%" of the guns used by the cartels, despite well-documented evidence to the contrary, that it's our own government arming the cartels in direct violation of numerous federal gun laws.

12349876: mr lawson: James F. Campbell: I like how Republicans suddenly pretend to be interested in gun control.

So you do not see any difference between weapons sold to foreign drug cartels members and weapons sold to law-abiding U.S. citizens?
OK then.

/Guns are bad...muuuukay.

Sounds like you're in favor of gun control to make sure law abiding American citizens are the only ones that get guns. Because without any gun control, the dirty Messicans can get git on down to the gun show and buy themselves some nice arsenals.

Private sales to people who would otherwise be prohibited from possessing firearms in this country (any foreign national, be they legal or illegal) are still illegal. Thanks to the ATF, the cartels didn't have to sneak around gun shows and find a seller willing to not check for an in-state driver's license, they just told the clerks at the gun shops to go ahead with the sales that would have otherwise been denied.

James F. Campbell: Fark It: blah blah blah

On the contrary, mein Freund, I'm against gun control. The more guns there are in America, the faster Americans kill themselves off.

If you hated America as much as I do, you'd be against gun control, too.

There are more guns than ever in our country, yet we're living longer and the rate at which we're killing each other off is at a 40-year low. Unless you're a black male between the age of 15-25 or you have a prior felony conviction (the two biggest factors in determining the likelihood of getting shot) your chances of getting shot are the same (if not lower) than in Canada, Australia, or Great Britain.

James F. Campbell: Fark It: your chances of getting shot are the same (if not lower) than in Canada, Australia, or Great Britain.

Are you farking kidding me?

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Get out of here, you two-bit bullshiat artist.

That graph shows the rate of gun homicide for white people with no prior felony convictions?

3.3 per 100,000 is the overall rate of gun homicide in Britain

Let's see.... Oh, here are some numbers on overall crime from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

In 2005 (last year such data appears to be available, and bear in mind, crime has dropped since then) the homicide victimization rate among white people (not adjusted for guns, although about half are from guns) is.....

3.3 per 100,000.

If you adjust and take out every white person with a felony conviction, you'll have a gun victimization rate LOWER than the overall rate for the UK.

Fark It: James F. Campbell: Fark It: your chances of getting shot are the same (if not lower) than in Canada, Australia, or Great Britain.

Are you farking kidding me?

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Get out of here, you two-bit bullshiat artist.

That graph shows the rate of gun homicide for white people with no prior felony convictions?

3.3 per 100,000 is the overall rate of gun homicide in Britain

Let's see.... Oh, here are some numbers on overall crime from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

In 2005 (last year such data appears to be available, and bear in mind, crime has dropped since then) the homicide victimization rate among white people (not adjusted for guns, although about half are from guns) is.....

3.3 per 100,000.

If you adjust and take out every white person with a felony conviction, you'll have a gun victimization rate LOWER than the overall rate for the UK.

To summarize, if you're white, your chances of being killed with a gun in the United States are

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Fixed:

To summarize, if you're white, your chances of being killed with a gun in the United States are <1.65 per 100,000. If you're British, your chances of being killed with a gun in the UK are 3.3 per 100,000.