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(ABC News)   What four other scrambling quarterbacks think of Tim Tebow. Opinions range from "I'm probably his biggest fan" to "enjoy the circus while it's in town"   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2011-12-06 10:20:37 PM  
Joe Theismann

'Scrambling' or 'Scrambled'?

Bless you, LT.

.
 
2011-12-06 10:24:07 PM  
Steve Young and Shannon Sharpe have been the best commentators on this issue.

/i know, i was surprised also
 
2011-12-07 12:58:10 AM  
Oh, for farks sake. DIAF. Seriously
 
2011-12-07 01:24:42 AM  
I'm just shocked John Fox can run an offense.
 
2011-12-07 01:33:28 AM  
Time will tell I guess
 
2011-12-07 01:42:24 AM  
Who is keeping this Tebow thing alive subby ABC...etc?
 
2011-12-07 01:45:54 AM  

kilgorn: Who is keeping this Tebow thing alive subby ABC...etc?


One would think that a second-year pro QB with only 3 prior starts being 6-1 this year would suffice.
 
2011-12-07 01:47:27 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-07 01:50:42 AM  
ROFL someone should tell Theismann to shut the fark up, then direct his attention to the site named after his drunken bs on MNF. Ditka too
 
2011-12-07 01:55:29 AM  
Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
images.paraorkut.com
 
2011-12-07 01:55:45 AM  
I was going to look up Tebow's yards/attempt, because I figured maybe it would be favorable to other quarterbacks. It turns out nfl.com doesn't list him as a QB since he doesn't throw at least 14 passes per game.
 
2011-12-07 02:00:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Steve Young and Shannon Sharpe have been the best commentators on this issue.

/i know, i was surprised also


I usually like Steve Young's commentary, he's fairly well spoken and insightful most of the time. He also seems like one of the very few guys that actually voices his own opinion, as opposed to one that's been fed to him via ESPN, etc.

As for Shannon Sharpe, well:

sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-07 02:00:30 AM  
He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.
 
2011-12-07 02:01:30 AM  
Oh, joy. Another Tebow thread.
Isn't it about time we check in with our buddies at Penn State again??
 
2011-12-07 02:03:04 AM  

pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]


Well, at least you Dallas fans have your sense of humor.

And a $1.3 Billion stadium that's going to go unused in the Post-Season. Again.
 
2011-12-07 02:05:14 AM  
Tebow is the new Favre. If you squint, their names almost look the same.
 
2011-12-07 02:10:24 AM  

Cndn Bacon: As for Shannon Sharpe, well:

sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net


thank you so much for posting that pic. i had it saved on my work computer but could not find it anywhere on google image search.
 
2011-12-07 02:13:12 AM  
Soon an entire nation will hate Denver. Thanks Tebow!
 
2011-12-07 02:14:46 AM  
Forgive me for asking, but why do people hate on Tim Tebow? What has he done to anyone?
 
2011-12-07 02:28:34 AM  

ongbok: He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.


A counterpoint (new window)
 
2011-12-07 02:30:06 AM  
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
www.alan.com
Link (new window)
 
2011-12-07 02:35:51 AM  
They didnt ask the original scrambling QB?

Google hint: The Mad Scrambler

Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
[www.alan.com image 300x300]
Link (new window)


Again, why do people hate on him so much for that ad? It didnt say that you were going to burn in hell if you had one or that you were an evil person, it simply stated there were alternatives, you farks act like he and his mother said they were going to personally going to come to your house and kill them if they got an abortion.

F*ck I hate the man since he played at florida but farks like you are almost forcing me to want him to succeed.
 
2011-12-07 02:46:11 AM  

ongbok: He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.


No he's not. Granted he has a lot of work to do on his passing technique. But it's ridiculous to keep calling him a halfback or tight end. That meme has been going since his junior year in college, and it becomes tedious.
 
2011-12-07 02:48:58 AM  

steamingpile: They didnt ask the original scrambling QB?

Google hint: The Mad Scrambler

Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
[www.alan.com image 300x300]
Link (new window)

Again, why do people hate on him so much for that ad? It didnt say that you were going to burn in hell if you had one or that you were an evil person, it simply stated there were alternatives, you farks act like he and his mother said they were going to personally going to come to your house and kill them if they got an abortion.

F*ck I hate the man since he played at florida but farks like you are almost forcing me to want him to succeed.



Personally, it's not that I think he's crazy extreme or anything. I just hate having politics(and to a lesser extent, religion) in my football. See: Hank Williams, Jr.
 
2011-12-07 02:49:08 AM  

steamingpile: Again, why do people hate on him so much for that ad? It didnt say that you were going to burn in hell if you had one or that you were an evil person, it simply stated there were alternatives,


Personally, I don't dislike him because of that ad but if I were to venture a guess why people do, it would be because of everything the organization behind the ad (Focus on the Family) stands for - anti-choice, anti-gay rights, etc.

I don't like Tebow not because of Tebow himself, but because of all the slobbering he's been getting from the major sports networks (primarily ESPN) since being drafted. I'm sick of hearing that he's courageous, or has more heart than other quarterbacks just because he's so awful for most of his games and then ends up winning at the end.

How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know.
 
2011-12-07 02:49:37 AM  
The guy asked why people hated on him, I provided the answer. Plain and simple.
Farks like me get that.
 
2011-12-07 02:55:24 AM  
farm6.static.flickr.com

GIS for Tebow
 
2011-12-07 03:26:33 AM  
I just had an seizure from this thread.
 
2011-12-07 03:36:35 AM  
"What makes 2011 so unique is we have seen quarterback play in this league at such a high extreme and in Tim's case, the bottom rung when it comes to completions."

It's called football for a reason!

And yet the Broncos are also in the playoff hunt in this pass-happy league because of an old-fashioned formula based on stout defense and a strong ground game.

Woody Hayes and Al Davis together: "Just win, baby!!"

I figure the Broncos will probably make the playoffs. It's next year that will tell the tale - after coaches have had the off-season to figure him out.

/NOT a Tebow fan
//even less of a Broncos fan
///LOVE exciting football!
 
2011-12-07 06:17:17 AM  
They didn't even bother to ask Fran Tarkenton?
 
2011-12-07 06:24:39 AM  

Cndn Bacon: How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know


Really? You're upset because the amount of fellating Rogers gets from ESPN isn't enough?
 
2011-12-07 07:10:43 AM  

Two_Noodles: I was going to look up Tebow's yards/attempt, because I figured maybe it would be favorable to other quarterbacks. It turns out nfl.com doesn't list him as a QB since he doesn't throw at least 14 passes per game.


Note that NFL.com does not show a lot of backup QB's who have come in's stats due to this as well, because it's 14/games of the season, not games played. If you take Tebow's 158 pass attempts and divide them by the 7.5 games he played significant time, he throws an average of 21.06 passes per game: 15.8 if you count ten games, IE the ones he came in just on wildcat.

ongbok: He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.


Yeah, it's not like he could complete 66 of his 15 passes in one game or something.

I see you also must know him personally to know he has great enough hands to play Tight End or Reciever.
 
2011-12-07 07:48:30 AM  

gimmeafarkinname: Really? You're upset because the amount of fellating Rogers gets from ESPN isn't enough?


No, I'm saying that their praise and attention that they and other players get isn't proportional to their abilities and success they've achieved in the NFL.

I dislike Brett Favre for much the same reason. It seemed like every time he got a farking bowel movement ESPN would lead off Sports Center with a story about him. If it wasn't for that, I'd merely be indifferent towards him, instead of severely disliking him.
 
2011-12-07 07:52:20 AM  

Cndn Bacon: I don't like Tebow...because of all the slobbering he's been getting from the major sports networks...

Tebow doesn't have any more control than you do over the fact that no one will shut up about him, so disliking him for that reason is silly.

This is what all the Tebow nonsense looks like:
pbfcomics.com
 
2011-12-07 08:05:59 AM  

VvonderJesus: I just had an seizure from this thread.


as someone who is prone to them, i am getting a seize out of these replies....

/seriously fark you lacrossestar83
 
2011-12-07 08:20:01 AM  
I just saw it! Tebow is having all this success because he's actually the Brendan Fraser guy from Bedazzled who's made a deal with the she-devil.
 
2011-12-07 08:29:06 AM  
who wouldnt make a deal with

s11.allstarpics.net
 
2011-12-07 08:32:18 AM  

bel4sucks: ROFL someone should tell Theismann to shut the fark up, then direct his attention to the site named after his drunken bs on MNF. Ditka too


If you're thinking of kissingsuzykolber., that was Namath, not Theismann.

As much as I'd love to hate on Tebow (Charger fan), you can't argue with the fact that the entire Bronco team has gone from "Suck for Luck" to fighting for a playoff spot since Teebus was named the starter. I think a lot of the media hype has to do with the fact that, when you actually watch him play, you come away with the impression that he is a bad to mediocre QB talent-wise, yet he (or someone else) always seems to make some key play when it absolutely counts. It's baffling, really.
 
2011-12-07 08:40:14 AM  

gimmeafarkinname: Cndn Bacon: How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know

Really? You're upset because the amount of fellating Rogers gets from ESPN isn't enough?


Well, it seems like he's the only person to take heat off of the Pack's quest for perfection. It's still being discussed, but it seems like in previous years, a 12-0 record would utterly dominate any other story. It'll be interesting to see how the media would treat a 15-0 team against Tebow if he keeps winning or has a playoff berth by then.
 
2011-12-07 08:44:50 AM  

oh_please: I think a lot of the media hype has to do with the fact that, when you actually watch him play, you come away with the impression that he is a bad to mediocre QB talent-wise, yet he (or someone else) always seems to make some key play when it absolutely counts. It's baffling, really.


Could be the opposing teams are trying so hard not to be embarrassed (or teebowed) they make silly mistakes that don't occur in the previous 3.75 quarters. Loss of composure.

...just sayin'...
 
2011-12-07 08:48:26 AM  

pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]


shiat I'm a Cowboys fan and that got a laugh out of me.

Don't really like or dislike Tebow, but goddammit do I hate the farking Broncos. The are my 4th least liked team.
 
2011-12-07 08:50:19 AM  
the more hate that gets piled on this guy, the better he does. people should just stop hating.

on a side note, can any british/ english/ uk farkers explain if the british/ english/ uk fark contingent has figured out the American obsession with Tebow yet?
 
2011-12-07 08:57:55 AM  

Elway's comments are well chosen:

"I know everybody wants to know, but our future's right now," Elway told 102.3 FM The Ticket in Denver on Monday. "When you look at where we are, the future is the Chicago Bears (the Broncos' upcoming opponent).

"I think the city's excited about it, the fans are excited about where we are right now. The future is now, and I think the key thing is for us to continue to keep focused on each game coming up and try to win this division and get in the playoffs and see what happens."



He's being a realist. Whether or not Tebow can sustain success for the long run, the Broncos are winning right now and they should try to capitalize on their [success/ luck] and make something of it. It can't last. Look at how Buffalo and Detroit started so hot and now are crashing and burning.
 
2011-12-07 09:08:36 AM  

SlothB77: Elway's comments are well chosen:

"I know everybody wants to know, but our future's right now," Elway told 102.3 FM The Ticket in Denver on Monday. "When you look at where we are, the future is the Chicago Bears (the Broncos' upcoming opponent).

"I think the city's excited about it, the fans are excited about where we are right now. The future is now, and I think the key thing is for us to continue to keep focused on each game coming up and try to win this division and get in the playoffs and see what happens."

He's being a realist. Whether or not Tebow can sustain success for the long run, the Broncos are winning right now and they should try to capitalize on their [success/ luck] and make something of it. It can't last. Look at how Buffalo and Detroit started so hot and now are crashing and burning.


But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

This is coming from a kid who was a Broncos fan in the 80's, when at Super Bowl time the Speed Limit 55 - Denver 10 jokes were prevalent. But trading for the Colts #1 overall to grab the next sure thing from Stanford? It's such a silly self-fulfilling prophecy, I'd sell my autographed Gerald Willhite rookie card to make it happen.
 
2011-12-07 09:17:08 AM  

UNC_Samurai: My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4.


LOL
 
2011-12-07 09:19:55 AM  
To Tebow's credit, he has taken a valuable lesson from at least one scrambling QB:

i36.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-07 09:20:04 AM  

Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
[www.alan.com image 300x300]
Link (new window)


I agree with Steamingpile. I see nothing about that ad that makes him deserving of hate
 
2011-12-07 09:25:11 AM  
What's this guy think?

www.sportsblink.com
 
2011-12-07 09:25:22 AM  

UNC_Samurai: But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.


So your plan involves the Broncos betting the farm on a guy who might work out, to get rid of the guy actually getting it done now. I remember the opinions being pretty divided between Leaf and Manning in their draft, how did that end up working out?
 
2011-12-07 09:27:32 AM  

ongbok: He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.


You just described the first 30 years of football after they legalized the forward pass When's your cutoff date for calling that position "quarterback"?
 
2011-12-07 09:27:55 AM  

UNC_Samurai: SlothB77: Elway's comments are well chosen:

"I know everybody wants to know, but our future's right now," Elway told 102.3 FM The Ticket in Denver on Monday. "When you look at where we are, the future is the Chicago Bears (the Broncos' upcoming opponent).

"I think the city's excited about it, the fans are excited about where we are right now. The future is now, and I think the key thing is for us to continue to keep focused on each game coming up and try to win this division and get in the playoffs and see what happens."

He's being a realist. Whether or not Tebow can sustain success for the long run, the Broncos are winning right now and they should try to capitalize on their [success/ luck] and make something of it. It can't last. Look at how Buffalo and Detroit started so hot and now are crashing and burning.

But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

This is coming from a kid who was a Broncos fan in the 80's, when at Super Bowl time the Speed Limit 55 - Denver 10 jokes were prevalent. But trading for the Colts #1 overall to grab the next sure thing from Stanford? It's such a silly self-fulfilling prophecy, I'd sell my autographed Gerald Willhite rookie card to make it happen.


Holy crap, I said this very thing last night. Trading him to Jax would put butts in their seats so there's incentive there, and if Manning comes back in Indy then the Colts may be open to negotiating.

I'm not counting on it, but it's fun to think about.
 
2011-12-07 09:35:54 AM  
The difference is that those guys had arms too; Tebow is one knee injury away from the end of his career.

For the time being, the charlatans in the Colorado megachurches have something to talk about, and I would not be surprised if they are actually preaching that Tebow's success is divine intervention.

Meh.
 
2011-12-07 09:36:21 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
[www.alan.com image 300x300]
Link (new window)

I agree with Steamingpile. I see nothing about that ad that makes him deserving of hate


There's no hate like Fark AtheistTM hate. Someone dares to call himself a Christian and stands up for his beliefs? BURN HIM!

/stone cold atheist
/never thought I'd be defending Teebus
 
2011-12-07 09:43:23 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
[www.alan.com image 300x300]
Link (new window)

I agree with Steamingpile. I see nothing about that ad that makes him deserving of hate


What about his face?
Its ugly and stupid.
He is a stupid and ugly face.

/I want to join the hate parade.
 
2011-12-07 09:49:13 AM  

H31N0US: The difference is that those guys had arms too; Tebow is one knee injury away from the end of his career.

For the time being, the charlatans in the Colorado megachurches have something to talk about, and I would not be surprised if they are actually preaching that Tebow's success is divine intervention.

Meh.


Wouldn't be surprised. Growing up here in the early 90's, the priest at my catholic school/church would lead a let's go Broncos prayer (a la south park) to end mass.
 
2011-12-07 10:00:09 AM  
Do we honestly have to have a Tebow thread every single day where we can come in and make 100+ comments about how we are sick of hearing about Tebow?
 
2011-12-07 10:03:38 AM  

H31N0US: The difference is that those guys had arms too; Tebow is one knee injury away from the end of his career.


It's not exactly fair to evaluate Tebow against the full careers of HOFers like Elway and Young. But looking at where they were in their second year as NFL QBs, Tebow is performing better than they did.

Oh, and Tebow isn't a speed and shiftiness guy like Vick or Cunningham. He's a power runner who is smart with the football. If Tebow blows out a knee it won't change his running ability at all.
 
2011-12-07 10:05:59 AM  

bel4sucks: UNC_Samurai: But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

So your plan involves the Broncos betting the farm on a guy who might work out, to get rid of the guy actually getting it done now. I remember the opinions being pretty divided between Leaf and Manning in their draft, how did that end up working out?


Tebow isn't a long-term solution. He may get them to the playoffs this year, but that organization knows the reality of running that offense with an entire offseason to prepare against it.
 
2011-12-07 10:06:46 AM  

pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]


You spelled "Brees" wrong.
 
2011-12-07 10:07:03 AM  

Cndn Bacon: gimmeafarkinname: Really? You're upset because the amount of fellating Rogers gets from ESPN isn't enough?

No, I'm saying that their praise and attention that they and other players get isn't proportional to their abilities and success they've achieved in the NFL.

I dislike Brett Favre for much the same reason. It seemed like every time he got a farking bowel movement ESPN would lead off Sports Center with a story about him. If it wasn't for that, I'd merely be indifferent towards him, instead of severely disliking him.


Sounds like you have an ESPN problem. If more of us turn it off, (I haven't had cable for 2 years now), it might change for the better. Do you watch Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight or other entertainment 'news' shows? ESPN is like those shows except 24 hours a day.
 
2011-12-07 10:07:44 AM  

lacrossestar83: Ignored "lacrossestar83". If you want to completely hide ignored user comments, change the "Show header of ignored comments" option in your user profile.


I've never had a reason to use the ignore feature before, so congratulations on being the first.

/I'm sure I'll get over the seizure eventually.
 
2011-12-07 10:15:42 AM  

oh_please: bel4sucks: ROFL someone should tell Theismann to shut the fark up, then direct his attention to the site named after his drunken bs on MNF. Ditka too

If you're thinking of kissingsuzykolber., that was Namath, not Theismann.

As much as I'd love to hate on Tebow (Charger fan), you can't argue with the fact that the entire Bronco team has gone from "Suck for Luck" to fighting for a playoff spot since Teebus was named the starter. I think a lot of the media hype has to do with the fact that, when you actually watch him play, you come away with the impression that he is a bad to mediocre QB talent-wise, yet he (or someone else) always seems to make some key play when it absolutely counts. It's baffling, really.


See also: The Miami Dolphins the year they got all crazy with the wildcat.

The simple fact is that football isn't complicated, and is primarily about either
A) Identifying what the defense is going to do, and doing something else faster than they can react
B) Doing what you were going to do, anyway, but doing it flawlessly

The game isn't any different in the pros than it is in college, and what works in college can work in the pros. It's just harder, because you're not going to surprise people. That leaves you with flawlessly executing blocking schemes and will last as long as you can keep yourself from injuries. When people say it can't work, what they really mean is it doesn't work because that's not how NFL teams like to play, and that's not the kind of personnel NFL teams like to compile. It's an injury averse league, and that's the only thing stopping a team from running the spread as their bread and butter.

He'll do fine until an injury anywhere on the offense line causes the blocking to break down, and suddenly he's getting pounded every play, like Michael Vick.
 
2011-12-07 10:21:48 AM  

UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: UNC_Samurai: But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

So your plan involves the Broncos betting the farm on a guy who might work out, to get rid of the guy actually getting it done now. I remember the opinions being pretty divided between Leaf and Manning in their draft, how did that end up working out?

Tebow isn't a long-term solution. He may get them to the playoffs this year, but that organization knows the reality of running that offense with an entire offseason to prepare against it.


Can I see your crystal ball? As a Las Vegas man, I could have some real use for it.
 
2011-12-07 10:22:29 AM  
Also has nobody considered that Tebow can do what a normal QB does and, you know, just learn to be a throwing QB who can also run(Like what Vick needed to do and never did)?
 
2011-12-07 10:23:17 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Oh, and Tebow isn't a speed and shiftiness guy like Vick or Cunningham. He's a power runner who is smart with the football. If Tebow blows out a knee it won't change his running ability at all.


McNabb lost running ability over time, though in my opinion he had a great career. McNabb is built a lot more like Tebow than Vick or Young.
 
2011-12-07 10:25:38 AM  
FLMountainMan

Do we honestly have to have a Tebow thread every single day where we can come in and make 100+ comments about how we are sick of hearing about Tebow?


It keeps the bigots occupied, let them have their fun, just keep the ropes away from them they tend to get out of hand once they get those.
 
2011-12-07 10:41:11 AM  

H31N0US: For the time being, the charlatans in the Colorado megachurches have something to talk about, and I would not be surprised if they are actually preaching that Tebow's success is divine intervention.


That is pretty much all sports talk radio in Denver has been for the past month.
 
2011-12-07 10:42:04 AM  
TEBOW ISNT A SCRAMBLER

sorry about the yelling, had to get that out there. Tebow is a running QB. There is a difference. Interviewing past NFL running QBs would be much more interesting, assuming any ever existed or are still alive.
 
2011-12-07 10:45:52 AM  

you have pee hands: AdmirableSnackbar: Oh, and Tebow isn't a speed and shiftiness guy like Vick or Cunningham. He's a power runner who is smart with the football. If Tebow blows out a knee it won't change his running ability at all.

McNabb lost running ability over time, though in my opinion he had a great career. McNabb is built a lot more like Tebow than Vick or Young.


If Tebow manages to have a career like McNabb he'd have done pretty damn good for himself. The funny thing is if that happens, just like McNabb a decade down the line when (if) Tebow's abilities go south and he's no longer a viable QB his detractors will say "see, we told you it wasn't sustainable!"

Oddly enough right now Tebow's looking like the best QB to come out of the 2010 draft. He's performing better than Bradford, Clausen, Kafka, Skelton, and some other guy who I can't remember because nobody ever talks about him.
 
2011-12-07 10:50:25 AM  

Pratty: UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: UNC_Samurai: But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

So your plan involves the Broncos betting the farm on a guy who might work out, to get rid of the guy actually getting it done now. I remember the opinions being pretty divided between Leaf and Manning in their draft, how did that end up working out?

Tebow isn't a long-term solution. He may get them to the playoffs this year, but that organization knows the reality of running that offense with an entire offseason to prepare against it.

Can I see your crystal ball? As a Las Vegas man, I could have some real use for it.


In regards to Luck? I'll admit that's wishful thinking. But Tebow? He's running a gimmick offense, and how long were the Run & Shoot or the Wildcat successful?
 
2011-12-07 10:50:30 AM  

gimmeafarkinname: Cndn Bacon: How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know

Really? You're upset because the amount of fellating Rogers gets from ESPN isn't enough?


No joke here. I am soooooo tired of hearing how great Aaron Rodgers is. He is good I get it. It is just too much. He has a great team around him too.

At least he is just overhyped instead of overrated like Brady.
 
2011-12-07 10:56:04 AM  

pjbreeze: They didn't even bother to ask Fran Tarkenton?


If they did they'd get caught in a two hour pyramid scheme presentation.
 
2011-12-07 10:58:42 AM  

Carousel Beast: ongbok: He is not a scrambling quarterback. He is a halfback that takes a direct snap and either runs or hands the ball off. Sometimes he might pass. Within the next few years if he wants to stay in the NFL you will see him playing either Tight End or Receiver.

You just described the first 30 years of football after they legalized the forward pass When's your cutoff date for calling that position "quarterback"?


Well played. People forget the forward pass is relatively new. Most people don't realize many qbs used to punt too.
 
2011-12-07 11:03:45 AM  

oh_please: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Farty McPooPants: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf , I don't know why he gets so much hate from people.
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I agree with Steamingpile. I see nothing about that ad that makes him deserving of hate

There's no hate like Fark AtheistTM hate. Someone dares to call himself a Christian and stands up for his beliefs? BURN HIM!

/stone cold atheist
/never thought I'd be defending Teebus


I have noticed a lot of hating Christians on fark. Not sure why though. Is it mostly evangelical born agains who feel a need to convert everyone? Or do they hate Lutherans like me who believe God makes believers and all a Christian is to do is live as an example.

/ just curious.
 
2011-12-07 11:08:05 AM  

Aikidogamer: I have noticed a lot of hating Christians on fark. Not sure why though. Is it mostly evangelical born agains who feel a need to convert everyone? Or do they hate Lutherans like me who believe God makes believers and all a Christian is to do is live as an example.

/ just curious.


Deep down, they know that those people think how they live their lives is "wrong", and people can't stand being told they are wrong, even if it doesn't otherwise change how they are treated. Refusing to confirm other people's choices is threatening to people, especially if they have a nagging feeling that some of the choices you disagree with actually are harmful choices. People don't LIKE people who believe there is A) an absolutely standard, and B) a standard they aren't living up to.

Instead of being happy for someone trying to live better and make choices that are better for the world in general, people get hung up with how anyone can dare call something better.
 
2011-12-07 11:09:38 AM  

steamingpile: F*ck I hate the man since he played at florida but farks like you are almost forcing me to want him to succeed.


I hear ya, I've become sympathetic to the Denver Broncos of all things, the freaking DONKOS!!!
Never thought that would happen....
 
2011-12-07 11:10:31 AM  

Mr Guy: oh_please: bel4sucks: ROFL someone should tell Theismann to shut the fark up, then direct his attention to the site named after his drunken bs on MNF. Ditka too

If you're thinking of kissingsuzykolber., that was Namath, not Theismann.

As much as I'd love to hate on Tebow (Charger fan), you can't argue with the fact that the entire Bronco team has gone from "Suck for Luck" to fighting for a playoff spot since Teebus was named the starter. I think a lot of the media hype has to do with the fact that, when you actually watch him play, you come away with the impression that he is a bad to mediocre QB talent-wise, yet he (or someone else) always seems to make some key play when it absolutely counts. It's baffling, really.

See also: The Miami Dolphins the year they got all crazy with the wildcat.

The simple fact is that football isn't complicated, and is primarily about either
A) Identifying what the defense is going to do, and doing something else faster than they can react
B) Doing what you were going to do, anyway, but doing it flawlessly

The game isn't any different in the pros than it is in college, and what works in college can work in the pros. It's just harder, because you're not going to surprise people. That leaves you with flawlessly executing blocking schemes and will last as long as you can keep yourself from injuries. When people say it can't work, what they really mean is it doesn't work because that's not how NFL teams like to play, and that's not the kind of personnel NFL teams like to compile. It's an injury averse league, and that's the only thing stopping a team from running the spread as their bread and butter.

He'll do fine until an injury anywhere on the offense line causes the blocking to break down, and suddenly he's getting pounded every play, like Michael Vick.


I agree mostly with you. The problem with the option in the NFL is defense is much faster top to bottom. You have a team of very fast people instead of the 2-3 players you can easily scheme around in the NCAA. It is going to take something very special to make it work. So far it has been too hard to beat that kind of speed.
 
2011-12-07 11:13:42 AM  
Oh and...
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
That's Ephesians 2:8-10, that's what the numbers refer to he has on his face in the photo up there.
 
2011-12-07 11:22:43 AM  
We are definitely at the point where you can't argue with winning. So, for the most part I'll keep my mouth shut about Tebow until he does start failing. Although I still feel confident that the wheels will come off this thing eventually. I'll make a prediction that if the Broncos make the playoffs, it will be a one and done in a blowout loss.
 
2011-12-07 11:25:08 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: If Tebow manages to have a career like McNabb he'd have done pretty damn good for himself. The funny thing is if that happens, just like McNabb a decade down the line when (if) Tebow's abilities go south and he's no longer a viable QB his detractors will say "see, we told you it wasn't sustainable!"


That's true. I don't think he will; he runs twice as much as McNabb did even at the beginning of his career and McNabb had a much stronger arm. I think Tebow's got a better head on his shoulders though, and they have some similarities. Tebow seems to have McNabb's 'skill' for missing so badly when you miss that the defense can't catch it either.
 
2011-12-07 11:25:23 AM  

Aikidogamer: agree mostly with you. The problem with the option in the NFL is defense is much faster top to bottom. You have a team of very fast people instead of the 2-3 players you can easily scheme around in the NCAA. It is going to take something very special to make it work. So far it has been too hard to beat that kind of speed.


Speed doesn't beat the option. Discipline and fundamental tackling beat the option - and those two are in short supply among NFL defenses.

But the Broncos don't run the option that much. The point is that the defense has to be prepared for it on every play otherwise it will burn them. What Denver's offense is doing is keeping defenses on their toes because they can pass, run, or run the option out of any formation at any time, and they're willing to do it on almost any down and distance. Tebow isn't like a Michael Vick, where defenses can just play contain or try to make him roll to his right and effectively negate him. If you try to make Vick outthink your defense, you're probably going to win that battle because Vick makes poor decisions and turns the ball over. Tebow is proving that he makes good decisions and not turn the ball over, which is another notch in his favor as a QB no matter what style he uses.
 
2011-12-07 11:26:36 AM  

Mr Guy: Deep down, they know that those people think how they live their lives is "wrong", and people can't stand being told they are wrong, even if it doesn't otherwise change how they are treated. Refusing to confirm other people's choices is threatening to people, especially if they have a nagging feeling that some of the choices you disagree with actually are harmful choices. People don't LIKE people who believe there is A) an absolutely standard, and B) a standard they aren't living up to.


6.5/10
 
2011-12-07 11:27:23 AM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll make a prediction that if the Broncos make the playoffs, it will be a one and done in a blowout loss.


If they do make the playoffs it will almost certainly be as the 4th seed, which would pit them against whichever of the Steelers/Ravens does not win the AFC North. So that's not a particularly bold prediction.
 
2011-12-07 11:30:43 AM  

Harv72b: Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll make a prediction that if the Broncos make the playoffs, it will be a one and done in a blowout loss.

If they do make the playoffs it will almost certainly be as the 4th seed, which would pit them against whichever of the Steelers/Ravens does not win the AFC North. So that's not a particularly bold prediction.


Yeah but intangibles, so it's still a risky bet.
 
2011-12-07 11:31:46 AM  

Cndn Bacon: How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know.


In what world do you live in where Tebow gets more love than Aaron Rodgers? Support for Tebow is hot or cold. Aaron Rodgers is universally fellated by all sports media. Even Brady tickled his balls a little bit a few weeks ago.
 
2011-12-07 11:35:43 AM  
Tebow has SEC Speed™ and is therefore unbeatable.
 
2011-12-07 11:53:05 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Oddly enough right now Tebow's looking like the best QB to come out of the 2010 draft. He's performing better than Bradford, Clausen, Kafka, Skelton, and some other guy who I can't remember because nobody ever talks about him.


Hold up. I'll stop you right there. Bradford is getting shafted this year due to a craptastic O-line and receivers who's hands are made of bricks. I've watched all the Rams games I can and I wish they kept count of how many dropped passes there were total for the team... arg....
 
2011-12-07 12:03:12 PM  
Who are Tim Tebows 2 biggest haters?

In my opinion,

1. Steve Young, a guy who wasted 5 years of his career sitting behind Joe Montana and is pissed that playing time off his professional lifespan so carries a lot of hate towards anyone who is starting year 2...

2. Kordell Stewart, a guy who couldnt make the option quarterback work for the Steelers because he was too stupid to read and understand the playbook so he is taking it out on Tebow for being smarter

Im tired of Tebow article after Tebow article being written by guys who understand they are getting 10x the page views and 10x the coverage than they would be getting for writing about Cam Newton or Christian Ponder or whatever other quarterback they claim to be better.

People are paying attention to Tim Tebow because its interesting. We dont want to read about and cheer for ben roethlisberger who raped a girl in a bathroom last year then went to the superbowl.
 
2011-12-07 12:10:29 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Well, at least you Dallas fans have your sense of humor.

And a $1.3 Billion stadium that's going to go unused in the Post-Season. Again.


Not a Dallas fan.

there their theyre: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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shiat I'm a Cowboys fan and that got a laugh out of me.

Don't really like or dislike Tebow, but goddammit do I hate the farking Broncos. The are my 4th least liked team.


Why? Would you really rather have Tebow? I don't care for the Broncos either, but being a Packers fan there's no team I hate more than the Vikings. Even when we kick their ass.

lajotu: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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You spelled "Brees" wrong.


Not possible. I posted a pic of Brees in a Tebow thread last week.
 
2011-12-07 12:13:23 PM  

smerfnablin: We dont want to read about and cheer for ben roethlisberger who raped a girl in a bathroom last year then went to the superbowl.


That's why I plan to skip over him whenever I post a pic of a superior quarterback in every Tebow thread that gets autogreened. He may play the position better, but he's such an inferior man I can't in good conscience put him ahead of Tebow.
 
2011-12-07 12:15:48 PM  

Cndn Bacon: No, I'm saying that their praise and attention that they and other players get isn't proportional to their abilities and success they've achieved in the NFL.


BWAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAHA

Dude, it's media. You either move the needle or you don't move the needle. Tebow moves it a lot. I give two shiats about the guy but love him or hate him, he gets pages hits. Aaron Rodgers is an amazing qb. And he's boring as fark.
 
2011-12-07 12:18:24 PM  

smerfnablin: People are paying attention to Tim Tebow because its interesting. We dont want to read about and cheer for ben roethlisberger who raped a girl in a bathroom last year then went to the superbowl.


If only there were some other teams in the league. Maybe 30 or so, then there would be no such dilemma.
 
2011-12-07 12:20:10 PM  

pheelix: smerfnablin: We dont want to read about and cheer for ben roethlisberger who raped a girl in a bathroom last year then went to the superbowl.

That's why I plan to skip over him whenever I post a pic of a superior quarterback in every Tebow thread that gets autogreened. He may play the position better, but he's such an inferior man I can't in good conscience put him ahead of Tebow.



While I am grateful for your ethical choice Pheelix, you did post Tony Romo in this thread...

To quote the popular Fark vernacular: That guy sh*ts the bed whenever clutch time begins.
 
2011-12-07 12:21:25 PM  

pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

totalpackers.com
 
2011-12-07 12:31:07 PM  

FriarED1:
/I'm sure I'll get over the seizure eventually.


VvonderJesus: I just had an seizure from this thread.


farbekrieg: /seriously fark you lacrossestar83


truly sorry, guys. i'll figure out some other way to ridiculously animate this phrase in such a way that doesn't push any epileptic buttons.

/i'm assuming it was the flashing and not the word "Tebow"
//i'd better hope now
 
2011-12-07 12:35:14 PM  

roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?


Because he knows you'll do that for him?
 
2011-12-07 12:35:43 PM  

lacrossestar83: truly sorry, guys. i'll figure out some other way to ridiculously animate this phrase in such a way that doesn't push any epileptic buttons.


In fairness, I believe the graphic scored highly among Mexican Farkers.
 
2011-12-07 12:35:50 PM  

degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?


I should also mention that Unitas was the best QB to ever play in the NFL.
 
2011-12-07 12:37:59 PM  

degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?


Touche..:)

//Every football thread is like a Bat signal to me, calling out for hope, justice, and pictures of Aaron mutherfarking Rodgers. Also, I am a natural born pot-stirrer
 
2011-12-07 12:39:01 PM  

degenerate-afro: degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?

I should also mention that Unitas was the best QB to ever play in the NFL.


You should, but you don't want to sound like an idiot, so you won't, right?
 
2011-12-07 12:39:17 PM  

Harv72b: lacrossestar83: truly sorry, guys. i'll figure out some other way to ridiculously animate this phrase in such a way that doesn't push any epileptic buttons.

In fairness, I believe the graphic scored highly among Mexican Farkers.


A Møøse once bit my sister
 
2011-12-07 12:49:09 PM  
a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-07 12:52:21 PM  

smerfnablin: Who are Tim Tebows 2 biggest haters?


Add Merrill Hoge to that list, up at the top. That guy has been screaming how bad Tebow sucks since preseason. And that was from watching film of him from the three starts he got as a rookie. And every performance this season is met with utter disdain, how Tebow is "ruining" the great QB position

Stephen A Smith may just be because he sits across from Skip Bayless, who I think wants to be baptized by Tebow.

Michael Smith of the NFL network just puts his foot in his mouth. In my opinion, these guys have been so critical in their previews/reviews of what Tebow may be able to accomplish, they probably won't ever be able to reverse their stance.
 
2011-12-07 12:59:46 PM  

roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

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Pack fans are starting to get a tad insufferable...
 
2011-12-07 12:59:49 PM  

Cndn Bacon: How the hell Tebow gets more love from the media than guys like reigning Superbowl champion and Superbowl MVP and current front runner for 2011 MVP Aaron Rodgers, I'll never know.


It cracks me up how certain Packers fans get all butthurt that every single NFL thread isn't about Aaron Rodgers. We get it, he's the best QB in the NFL right now, yet you whine and cry. Shiat, if I was a Packers fan, I'd be on top of the world right now, not crying about how AR doesn't get enough "respect". He gets plenty of respect from everyone....give it a rest.
 
2011-12-07 01:02:18 PM  

InferiousX: [a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 553x484]


That meme makes me laugh every time.
 
2011-12-07 01:09:55 PM  
I think everyone can agree that Tebow is NOT your ideal quarterback for the NFL. But what's the matter with that? Only a couple of teams have ideal quarterbacks, and everyone else has to make due with the best they can get.

So Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are Ferraris. Roethlisberger and Stafford and Rivers are Corvettes (same general functions but not as good). Tebow is a truck. He's a damn good truck, but he's just not a race-car. So you could spend all your time trying to make the truck run like a race car but all you'll end up with is a crappy truck and a crappy race-car. Just let the truck be the truck and ride him as far as he'll get you.
 
2011-12-07 01:13:11 PM  

cefm: So Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are Ferraris. Roethlisberger and Stafford and Rivers are Corvettes (same general functions but not as good). Tebow is a truck. He's a damn good truck, but he's just not a race-car. So you could spend all your time trying to make the truck run like a race car but all you'll end up with is a crappy truck and a crappy race-car. Just let the truck be the truck and ride him as far as he'll get you.


To continue the analogy though, there's going to come a time where he'll have to strap on the big ass tires and face Carzilla. I think you all know what I mean.
 
2011-12-07 01:24:46 PM  

degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?


I've been posting pics of different superior quarterbacks in each new Tebow thread in order to hide my bias. That and I wouldn't want to imply that Rodgers is the only quarterback that's superior to Tebow. That being said, this is what the best QB currently in the NFL looks like after tearing apart his opponent's defense.
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2011-12-07 01:29:19 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2011-12-07 01:29:26 PM  
Whoops. Wrong pic
onmilwaukee.com
 
2011-12-07 01:34:23 PM  

InferiousX: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]

Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

[totalpackers.com image 456x326]

Pack fans are starting to get a tad insufferable...


Starting to? Try living with two for a year like I did in college. I heard about Brett Favre so much I almost viciously murdered one of them. Add onto the fact that they were both Skani's to boot and it got even worse.
 
2011-12-07 01:34:33 PM  

InferiousX: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

[totalpackers.com image 456x326]

Pack fans are starting to get a tad insufferable...


As I posted about 20 minutes ago in the Power Rankings thread, I am insufferable about everything...That makes it ok, right?
 
2011-12-07 01:36:43 PM  
And let's not forget

a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-12-07 01:39:34 PM  

roc6783: degenerate-afro: degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?

I should also mention that Unitas was the best QB to ever play in the NFL.

You should, but you don't want to sound like an idiot, so you won't, right?


Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.
 
2011-12-07 01:44:41 PM  

degenerate-afro: roc6783: degenerate-afro: degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?

I should also mention that Unitas was the best QB to ever play in the NFL.

You should, but you don't want to sound like an idiot, so you won't, right?

Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.


Yeah, that's a context thing there. Unitas in his prime would get killed in today's NFL but he did well in his era.
 
2011-12-07 01:45:00 PM  

degenerate-afro: Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.


Rodgers also plays in an era where you're getting rushed by a 275 lb man who can run a 40 about as fast as running backs could in Unitas' time. It's so difficult to play the game of "who's best" when separated by several decades that it's pretty much useless.
 
2011-12-07 02:07:46 PM  

cefm: I think everyone can agree that Tebow is NOT your ideal quarterback for the NFL. But what's the matter with that? Only a couple of teams have ideal quarterbacks, and everyone else has to make due with the best they can get.

So Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are Ferraris. Roethlisberger and Stafford and Rivers are Corvettes (same general functions but not as good). Tebow is a truck. He's a damn good truck, but he's just not a race-car. So you could spend all your time trying to make the truck run like a race car but all you'll end up with is a crappy truck and a crappy race-car. Just let the truck be the truck and ride him as far as he'll get you.


I don't think Timmay's religion will allow him to be ridden by any man.
 
2011-12-07 02:17:32 PM  

degenerate-afro: Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.


Rogers also plays in an era with defensive lineman/linebackers that could outrun the receivers of Unitas' era.
 
2011-12-07 02:19:05 PM  

Wadded Beef: degenerate-afro: roc6783: degenerate-afro: degenerate-afro: roc6783: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
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Why not just go straight to the best QB to ever play in the NFL?

Because he knows you'll do that for him?

I should also mention that Unitas was the best QB to ever play in the NFL.

You should, but you don't want to sound like an idiot, so you won't, right?

Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.

Yeah, that's a context thing there. Unitas in his prime would get killed in today's NFL but he did well in his era.


Who was playing defense against Unitas? Here's a look at some of the 1958 NFL All-Pro Team's Defensive Linemen and Linebackers:
Rosey Grier - 6-5, 284 lbs.
Sam Huff - 6-1, 230 lbs.
Fred Williams - 6-4, 249 lbs.
Doug Atkins - 6-8, 257 lbs.
Bill George - 6-2, 237 lbs.
Joe Schmidt - 6-1, 220 lbs.

Now here's some linemen and linebackers from the 2010 All-Pro Team:
Ndamukong Suh - 6-4, 307 lbs.
Julius Peppers - 6-6, 283 lbs.
Clay Matthews - 6-3, 246 lbs.
Patrick Willis - 6-1, 242 lbs.

These aren't very well statistically sampled, but you see that players are bigger. If you look at combine and practice stats, you'd likely see they are faster, stronger, and can impact with more velocity. Players in the 50's weren't the missiles they are today. If you took the players now and let them use the rules from 1958 (they used to let defenders head-slap with the forearm), every starting QB in the league would be out for the season, and half the starting offensive linemen would be out, too.
 
2011-12-07 02:25:15 PM  
Tim Tebow is getting praise for what every black quarterback would be getting killed for (he can't throw, he's just run first, run second....etc) and the level of Media blowing him is just hypocritical
 
2011-12-07 02:25:40 PM  

Iceberg659: Rogers also plays in an era with defensive lineman/linebackers that could outrun the receivers of Unitas' era.


Rodgers has access to the same 'training methods' and 'nutritional advances' that the linemen do, though. Today's Unitas would probably be faster and more muscular than 1950's Unitas.
 
2011-12-07 02:31:35 PM  
"Enjoy the circus while it's in town" can be applied to any professional athlete. You are only there if you can perform.

Tebow has been performing well enough, regardless of the "Mechanics" Retards...
 
2011-12-07 02:32:29 PM  

you have pee hands: Iceberg659: Rogers also plays in an era with defensive lineman/linebackers that could outrun the receivers of Unitas' era.

Rodgers has access to the same 'training methods' and 'nutritional advances' that the linemen do, though. Today's Unitas would probably be faster and more muscular than 1950's Unitas.


Psssssst. It's the growth hormone in the chicken.

/Only sort-of kidding
 
2011-12-07 02:39:03 PM  

UNC_Samurai: These aren't very well statistically sampled, but you see that players are bigger. If you look at combine and practice stats, you'd likely see they are faster, stronger, and can impact with more velocity. Players in the 50's weren't the missiles they are today. If you took the players now and let them use the rules from 1958 (they used to let defenders head-slap with the forearm), every starting QB in the league would be out for the season, and half the starting offensive linemen would be out, too.


Conversely, if you took the quarterbacks of today and made them play with the rules and defenses of 1958, most of them would poop their pants and find another line of work.

/Don't forget offensive linemen/receivers weren't as big or fast back then, either.
//Rosey Grier would separate Tom Brady's head from his neck on the first play from scrimmage, then carry it home and carve it into an ashtray for his kids.
 
2011-12-07 02:59:12 PM  

Morpheses: Psssssst. It's the growth hormone in the chicken.


That's what I was getting at, but I don't know what the chicken has to do with anything.
 
2011-12-07 03:05:31 PM  
I understand now... O_O

img267.imageshack.us
 
2011-12-07 03:07:42 PM  

nervoust: Tim Tebow is getting praise for what every black quarterback would be getting killed for (he can't throw, he's just run first, run second....etc) and the level of Media blowing him is just hypocritical


9/10. That's how it's done, people.
 
2011-12-07 03:12:17 PM  

Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]


+eleventy, awesome.
 
2011-12-07 03:13:50 PM  

you have pee hands: Mr Guy: Deep down, they know that those people think how they live their lives is "wrong", and people can't stand being told they are wrong, even if it doesn't otherwise change how they are treated. Refusing to confirm other people's choices is threatening to people, especially if they have a nagging feeling that some of the choices you disagree with actually are harmful choices. People don't LIKE people who believe there is A) an absolutely standard, and B) a standard they aren't living up to.

6.5/10


What is the troll score for? That's the problem. When people say they find overly eager people for ANY belief system annoying, what they are expressing is their irritation with being labeled as an outsider or wrong by the people pushing their belief system. That's true for sports, religion, politics, and people in general. People don't like being told they're wrong. The more anxious they are about whether or not they ARE wrong, they more they'll dislike it. Tebow, in abstract terms, put his religion on display and emphasizes he believes in a religious system that declares large segments of the population are living in sin and need to change their behavior. People get cranky about that, and feel "judged" when people like that are around and obvious.
 
2011-12-07 03:14:10 PM  

oh_please: nervoust: Tim Tebow is getting praise for what every black quarterback would be getting killed for (he can't throw, he's just run first, run second....etc) and the level of Media blowing him is just hypocritical

9/10. That's how it's done, people.


Bonus points for not being SLFF, too. Makes it almost believable.
 
2011-12-07 03:18:36 PM  

oh_please: nervoust: Tim Tebow is getting praise for what every black quarterback would be getting killed for (he can't throw, he's just run first, run second....etc) and the level of Media blowing him is just hypocritical

9/10. That's how it's done, people.


THIS
 
2011-12-07 03:30:17 PM  

Mr Guy: What is the troll score for? That's the problem. When people say they find overly eager people for ANY belief system annoying, what they are expressing is their irritation with being labeled as an outsider or wrong by the people pushing their belief system. That's true for sports, religion, politics, and people in general. People don't like being told they're wrong. The more anxious they are about whether or not they ARE wrong, they more they'll dislike it. Tebow, in abstract terms, put his religion on display and emphasizes he believes in a religious system that declares large segments of the population are living in sin and need to change their behavior. People get cranky about that, and feel "judged" when people like that are around and obvious.


I thought you were trying to toe that line where you've got just enough self righteous condescension in your post to get people to respond without making it overtly hostile. Apparently I was wrong.

Anyway my dislike of overt religious displays has nothing to with them making me question my own choices in life, which they don't, and everything to do with a dislike of hypocrites. For all I know Tebow really is a big strong Ned Flanders but most vocal Christians don't live up to the standards by which they judge everyone else.
 
2011-12-07 03:30:28 PM  
Joe Theismann is a prick.

I was working on a show in Burbank, CA. Apparently somebody knew him because he showed up on set one day. He seemed pretty nice at first, standing around just shooting the shiat. The topic of football of course came up and I asked him what he thought of the 49ers that year (my favorite team). He looked at me as if I was crazy, turned his back to me and walked away. You would've thought I had asked him if he preferred tan or albino midget porn.

Joe Theismann is a prick.

/49ers ended up winning the SB that year, suck it Joe.
 
2011-12-07 03:42:22 PM  

Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]


If you stole that, you are a god among men. If you made that yourself, and do not finish it for every QB to start a game this year, then post it in next week's Power Rankings thread, you are an abject failure of a human being.
 
2011-12-07 03:50:38 PM  

Mercutio74: degenerate-afro: Unitas played in an era where defenses were allowed to hit. Rodgers plays in an era where defenses get flagged for sneezing before the snap.

Rodgers also plays in an era where you're getting rushed by a 275 lb man who can run a 40 about as fast as running backs could in Unitas' time. It's so difficult to play the game of "who's best" when separated by several decades that it's pretty much useless.


Take yesterday's players. Give them today's training facilities and workout schedule and I'm sure they would do just fine. It helps that players today have trainers and staff to help them out all year around.

That being said, he still had gaudy numbers when defenses were allowed to give your receiver "the business" without getting flagged for it. Players routinely got the forearm shiver back then. Also there were still a few one platoon players (players that played both offense and defense) until the 60's. Could you imagine Albert Haynesworth pulling double duty? Neither could I.
 
2011-12-07 03:51:26 PM  

roc6783: Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]

If you stole that, you are a god among men. If you made that yourself, and do not finish it for every QB to start a game this year, then post it in next week's Power Rankings thread, you are an abject failure of a human being.


Here is the list, just to help out:

Drew Brees, QB
Matthew Stafford, QB
Tom Brady, QB
Philip Rivers, QB
Eli Manning, QB
Matt Ryan, QB
Joe Flacco, QB
Colt McCoy, QB
Tony Romo, QB
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB
Cam Newton, QB
Josh Freeman, QB
Aaron Rodgers, QB
Ben Roethlisberger, QB
Mark Sanchez, QB
Matt Hasselbeck, QB
Andy Dalton, QB
Sam Bradford, QB
Tarvaris Jackson, QB
Alex Smith, QB
Rex Grossman, QB
Jay Cutler, QB
Michael Vick, QB
Blaine Gabbert, QB
Matt Schaub, QB
Matt Cassel, QB
Kevin Kolb, QB
Matt Moore, QB
Curtis Painter, QB
Christian Ponder, QB
Carson Palmer, QB
Jason Campbell, QB
Tim Tebow, QB
Donovan McNabb, QB
Kyle Orton, QB
John Beck, QB
John Skelton, QB
Vince Young, QB
Chad Henne, QB
Tyler Palko, QB
Kerry Collins, QB
A.J. Feeley, QB
Caleb Hanie, QB
Dan Orlovsky, QB
Charlie Whitehurst, QB
Luke McCown, QB
T.J. Yates, QB
Josh Johnson, QB
Kyle Boller, QB
Richard Bartel, QB
Jake Locker, QB
Bruce Gradkowski, QB
Mike Kafka, QB
Matt Leinart, QB
 
2011-12-07 04:07:30 PM  

degenerate-afro: Take yesterday's players. Give them today's training facilities and workout schedule and I'm sure they would do just fine. It helps that players today have trainers and staff to help them out all year around.

That being said, he still had gaudy numbers when defenses were allowed to give your receiver "the business" without getting flagged for it. Players routinely got the forearm shiver back then. Also there were still a few one platoon players (players that played both offense and defense) until the 60's. Could you imagine Albert Haynesworth pulling double duty? Neither could I.


Exactly, there's too many what if's to compare two athletes who are separated by several decades.
 
2011-12-07 04:42:19 PM  

Harv72b: //Rosey Grier would separate Tom Brady's head from his neck on the first play from scrimmage, then carry it home and carve it into an ashtray for his kids.


Then make a needlepoint of it:

Home Is Where The Head Is
 
2011-12-07 05:07:53 PM  
If he sucks at passing but scrambles well and is black = MVP

If he sucks at passing but scrambles well while winning games = loser

got it
 
2011-12-07 05:33:48 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: If he sucks at passing but scrambles well and is black = MVP

If he sucks at passing but scrambles well while winning games = loser

got it


Child Please!
 
2011-12-07 06:10:39 PM  

degenerate-afro: That being said, he still had gaudy numbers when defenses were allowed to give your receiver "the business" without getting flagged for it. Players routinely got the forearm shiver back then. Also there were still a few one platoon players (players that played both offense and defense) until the 60's. Could you imagine Albert Haynesworth pulling double duty? Neither could I.


That just means you have less talent at every position.

/the AFL goes through this complaint every so often with some of the people that like the old way of "Ironman football"
 
2011-12-07 07:02:58 PM  

pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]


If you want superior QB, put a pic of Rodgers or Brady up. At least Tebow hasn't found a way to lose those close games like Romo.

//Not much of a Tebow fan, just a big hater of QBs who are given more praise than should for playing as
inconsistent as he does.

And it doesn't shock me that Cunningham likes Tebow's play. He does remind me of Cunningham. The running style, not the arm, NFL IQ, or questionable on the field leadership.
 
2011-12-07 07:23:05 PM  

scotty3281: pheelix: Another Tebow thread, another pic of a superior quarterback.
[images.paraorkut.com image 298x420]

If you want superior QB, put a pic of Rodgers or Brady up. At least Tebow hasn't found a way to lose those close games like Romo.

//Not much of a Tebow fan, just a big hater of QBs who are given more praise than should for playing as
inconsistent as he does.

And it doesn't shock me that Cunningham likes Tebow's play. He does remind me of Cunningham. The running style, not the arm, NFL IQ, or questionable on the field leadership.


I've been posting pics of different superior quarterbacks in each new Tebow thread.

/Apparently this bears repeating.
 
2011-12-07 07:25:25 PM  

pheelix: I've been posting pics of different superior quarterbacks in each new Tebow thread.


You're noticing another large flaw in the process of multi-thread posting. Yeesh, people still ask robsul82 what the Jake is for.
 
2011-12-07 08:02:20 PM  

IAmRight: pheelix: I've been posting pics of different superior quarterbacks in each new Tebow thread.

You're noticing another large flaw in the process of multi-thread posting. Yeesh, people still ask robsul82 what the Jake is for.


Your comment gave me an idea. I just started keeping a list of quarterbacks I've already posted in Tebow threads.

/I thought VY's hairdo was a nice touch.
 
2011-12-07 08:04:03 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Oh, joy. Another Tebow thread.
Isn't it about time we check in with our buddies at Penn State again??


I LOLED'D
 
2011-12-07 08:20:56 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Pratty: UNC_Samurai: bel4sucks: UNC_Samurai: But he's also said things that indicate the long-term future of the franchise lies elsewhere. My personal hope is that Elway can somehow trade Tebow for Jacksonville's first-round pick (right now it would be #4. Then, trade both picks (#4 and #26) and some other lower-round picks for Indy's #1, and draft Luck.

So your plan involves the Broncos betting the farm on a guy who might work out, to get rid of the guy actually getting it done now. I remember the opinions being pretty divided between Leaf and Manning in their draft, how did that end up working out?

Tebow isn't a long-term solution. He may get them to the playoffs this year, but that organization knows the reality of running that offense with an entire offseason to prepare against it.

Can I see your crystal ball? As a Las Vegas man, I could have some real use for it.

In regards to Luck? I'll admit that's wishful thinking. But Tebow? He's running a gimmick offense, and how long were the Run & Shoot or the Wildcat successful?


The Run & Shoot is a pretty bad example. It was first used in 1987 in the NFL by the Houston Oilers and last used all the way in 1998, for a span of 12 years. Some of the later teams were not successful, but a lot of times that was a talent problem: Ryan Leaf was the QB for quite a bit while the Chargers used the Run & Shoot in 1998.

If you want to talk last successful? Probably the 1996 Jacksonville Jaguars, who went 9-7 and to the Conference Championship Game with Mark Brunell at QB. They were ranked 14th of 30 in points for, which isn't terrible but isn't great. They were first in the NFL in passing yards, although they were only league average level in TDs through the air: In total, 17th in passing TDs and 14th in rushing TDs. Their offense was most likely stymied by the fact that the Jags threw 20 INTs, good for tying 9th in the league, along with allowing the third most sacks in the league.

The Run and Shoot with the right personnel worked fine. Many of the best modern offenses, most notably the current Patriots, Saints and Packers, run offenses based on the Run & Shoot and other spread offenses.

Even if you assume the spread only worked from the 1987 Oilers to the 1996 Jaguars, that's nine years, which is plenty long for the lifespan of a QB.
 
2011-12-07 08:51:08 PM  
tamu-and-baseball.com
Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
 
2011-12-07 08:54:15 PM  
Ya know, Tim Tebow is only 2 wins, 7 losses, 1 TD and 15 interceptions away from matching Drew Brees second year.
 
2011-12-07 09:04:14 PM  
I would love to see the Broncos go to the SuperBowl, and lose a close competitive game just so people can say, "See, we told you he couldn't cut it in the NFL."
 
2011-12-07 09:19:47 PM  

Harry_Seldon: I would love to see the Broncos go to the SuperBowl, and lose a close competitive game just so people can say, "See, we told you he couldn't cut it in the NFL."


I would love to see the Broncos go to the Super Bowl, and WIN a close, competitive game, just to see what the the internet in general, and Fark in particular would look like after that.
 
2011-12-07 09:26:29 PM  

devildog123: Harry_Seldon: I would love to see the Broncos go to the SuperBowl, and lose a close competitive game just so people can say, "See, we told you he couldn't cut it in the NFL."

I would love to see the Broncos go to the Super Bowl, and WIN a close, competitive game, just to see what the the internet in general, and Fark in particular would look like after that.


They'd say "Trent Dilfer" which is what they say anyway.
 
2011-12-07 09:28:52 PM  

Mr Guy: Aikidogamer: I have noticed a lot of hating Christians on fark. Not sure why though. Is it mostly evangelical born agains who feel a need to convert everyone? Or do they hate Lutherans like me who believe God makes believers and all a Christian is to do is live as an example.

/ just curious.

Deep down, they know that those people think how they live their lives is "wrong", and people can't stand being told they are wrong, even if it doesn't otherwise change how they are treated. Refusing to confirm other people's choices is threatening to people, especially if they have a nagging feeling that some of the choices you disagree with actually are harmful choices. People don't LIKE people who believe there is A) an absolutely standard, and B) a standard they aren't living up to.

Instead of being happy for someone trying to live better and make choices that are better for the world in general, people get hung up with how anyone can dare call something better.


I think that may apply to vegetarians, hipsters, and people who eat at chain restaurants. Oh, and cops (if they're not beating Occupy types).
 
2011-12-07 09:37:52 PM  

xdedd: Joe Theismann is a prick.

I was working on a show in Burbank, CA. Apparently somebody knew him because he showed up on set one day. He seemed pretty nice at first, standing around just shooting the shiat. The topic of football of course came up and I asked him what he thought of the 49ers that year (my favorite team). He looked at me as if I was crazy, turned his back to me and walked away. You would've thought I had asked him if he preferred tan or albino midget porn.

Joe Theismann is a prick.

/49ers ended up winning the SB that year, suck it Joe.


I'd love to say to him, "I saw your marrow on YouTube!"
 
2011-12-07 09:43:24 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: you have pee hands: AdmirableSnackbar: Oh, and Tebow isn't a speed and shiftiness guy like Vick or Cunningham. He's a power runner who is smart with the football. If Tebow blows out a knee it won't change his running ability at all.

McNabb lost running ability over time, though in my opinion he had a great career. McNabb is built a lot more like Tebow than Vick or Young.

If Tebow manages to have a career like McNabb he'd have done pretty damn good for himself. The funny thing is if that happens, just like McNabb a decade down the line when (if) Tebow's abilities go south and he's no longer a viable QB his detractors will say "see, we told you it wasn't sustainable!"

Oddly enough right now Tebow's looking like the best QB to come out of the 2010 draft. He's performing better than Bradford, Clausen, Kafka, Skelton, and some other guy who I can't remember because nobody ever talks about him.


Tebow is already better than McNabb because he doesn't throw at people's feet and has a coach that runs the ball

LOLZ
 
2011-12-07 11:12:29 PM  

you have pee hands: For all I know Tebow really is a big strong Ned Flanders but most vocal Christians don't live up to the standards by which they judge everyone else.


But vocal atheists do?
 
2011-12-08 12:59:26 AM  

Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]


aaaaaand end thread.
 
2011-12-08 02:03:09 AM  

roc6783: roc6783: Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]

If you stole that, you are a god among men. If you made that yourself, and do not finish it for every QB to start a game this year, then post it in next week's Power Rankings thread, you are an abject failure of a human being.

Here is the list, just to help out:

Drew Brees, QB = Contra Spread Shot
Matthew Stafford, QB = Megatron in gun mode
Tom Brady, QB
Philip Rivers, QB
Eli Manning, QB = a brick
Matt Ryan, QB = Freeze ray?
Joe Flacco, QB
Colt McCoy, QB
Tony Romo, QB = any gun notable for misfiring at inopportune times
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB
Cam Newton, QB = Heat Vision
Josh Freeman, QB
Aaron Rodgers, QB
Ben Roethlisberger, QB
Mark Sanchez, QB
Matt Hasselbeck, QB = some reliable super old-timey gun
Andy Dalton, QB
Sam Bradford, QB
Tarvaris Jackson, QB
Alex Smith, QB
Rex Grossman, QB = Bazooka
Jay Cutler, QB = BFG from Doom
Michael Vick, QB = Acme Rocket Skates
Blaine Gabbert, QB
Matt Schaub, QB
Matt Cassel, QB
Kevin Kolb, QB
Matt Moore, QB
Curtis Painter, QB = a board with a nail in it
Christian Ponder, QB
Carson Palmer, QB = Elephant Gun
Jason Campbell, QB
Tim Tebow, QB
Donovan McNabb, QB = broken down tank
Kyle Orton, QB = Glass Cannon
John Beck, QB
John Skelton, QB
Vince Young, QB
Chad Henne, QB
Tyler Palko, QB
Kerry Collins, QB
A.J. Feeley, QB
Caleb Hanie, QB = A mace shaped like a football
Dan Orlovsky, QB = Homer's makeup gun
Charlie Whitehurst, QB
Luke McCown, QB
T.J. Yates, QB
Josh Johnson, QB
Kyle Boller, QB = cheap dollar store squirt gun
Richard Bartel, QB
Jake Locker, QB
Bruce Gradkowski, QB = any incredibly boring and unspectacular, but practical and fairly efficient gun
Mike Kafka, QB
Matt Leinart, QB


Some ideas for get anyone who wants to give it a shot.
 
2011-12-08 09:01:22 AM  

Dreamy LaTwitch: roc6783: roc6783: Captain Steroid: I understand now... O_O

[img267.imageshack.us image 640x544]

If you stole that, you are a god among men. If you made that yourself, and do not finish it for every QB to start a game this year, then post it in next week's Power Rankings thread, you are an abject failure of a human being.

Here is the list, just to help out:

Drew Brees, QB = Contra Spread Shot
Matthew Stafford, QB = Megatron in gun mode
Tom Brady, QB
Philip Rivers, QB
Eli Manning, QB = a brick
Matt Ryan, QB = Freeze ray?
Joe Flacco, QB
Colt McCoy, QB
Tony Romo, QB = any gun notable for misfiring at inopportune times
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB
Cam Newton, QB = Heat Vision
Josh Freeman, QB
Aaron Rodgers, QB
Ben Roethlisberger, QB
Mark Sanchez, QB
Matt Hasselbeck, QB = some reliable super old-timey gun
Andy Dalton, QB
Sam Bradford, QB
Tarvaris Jackson, QB
Alex Smith, QB
Rex Grossman, QB = Bazooka
Jay Cutler, QB = BFG from Doom
Michael Vick, QB = Acme Rocket Skates
Blaine Gabbert, QB
Matt Schaub, QB
Matt Cassel, QB
Kevin Kolb, QB
Matt Moore, QB
Curtis Painter, QB = a board with a nail in it
Christian Ponder, QB
Carson Palmer, QB = Elephant Gun
Jason Campbell, QB
Tim Tebow, QB
Donovan McNabb, QB = broken down tank
Kyle Orton, QB = Glass Cannon
John Beck, QB
John Skelton, QB
Vince Young, QB
Chad Henne, QB
Tyler Palko, QB
Kerry Collins, QB
A.J. Feeley, QB
Caleb Hanie, QB = A mace shaped like a football
Dan Orlovsky, QB = Homer's makeup gun
Charlie Whitehurst, QB
Luke McCown, QB
T.J. Yates, QB
Josh Johnson, QB
Kyle Boller, QB = cheap dollar store squirt gun
Richard Bartel, QB
Jake Locker, QB
Bruce Gradkowski, QB = any incredibly boring and unspectacular, but practical and fairly efficient gun
Mike Kafka, QB
Matt Leinart, QB

Some ideas for get anyone who wants to give it a shot.


Flacco = The first generation M16 - Works just fine until it jams (which is often enough...)
 
2011-12-08 03:26:04 PM  
My contribution:

Drew Brees, QB = Contra Spread Shot
Matthew Stafford, QB = Megatron in gun mode
Tom Brady, QB
Philip Rivers, QB = that revolver with the barrel facing backwards
Eli Manning, QB = a brick
Matt Ryan, QB = Freeze ray?
Joe Flacco, QB =
Colt McCoy, QB
Tony Romo, QB = any gun notable for misfiring at inopportune times
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB = Hobo toothbrush shiv
Cam Newton, QB = Heat Vision
Josh Freeman, QB
Aaron Rodgers, QB = Orbital ion cannon
Ben Roethlisberger, QB = AK-47
Mark Sanchez, QB
Matt Hasselbeck, QB = some reliable super old-timey gun
Andy Dalton, QB
Sam Bradford, QB
Tarvaris Jackson, QB
Alex Smith, QB
Rex Grossman, QB = Bazooka
Jay Cutler, QB = BFG from Doom
Michael Vick, QB = Acme Rocket Skates
Blaine Gabbert, QB
Matt Schaub, QB
Matt Cassel, QB
Kevin Kolb, QB = Giant cannon with BANG! flag
Matt Moore, QB
Curtis Painter, QB = a board with a nail in it
Christian Ponder, QB
Carson Palmer, QB = Elephant Gun
Jason Campbell, QB
Tim Tebow, QB = Gun that shoots knives
Donovan McNabb, QB = broken down tank
Kyle Orton, QB = Glass Cannon Airsoft rifle. Works just fine, but always makes you want a real gun.
John Beck, QB
John Skelton, QB
Vince Young, QB
Chad Henne, QB
Tyler Palko, QB
Kerry Collins, QB
A.J. Feeley, QB
Caleb Hanie, QB = A mace shaped like a football
Dan Orlovsky, QB = Homer's makeup gun
Charlie Whitehurst, QB
Luke McCown, QB
T.J. Yates, QB
Josh Johnson, QB
Kyle Boller, QB = cheap dollar store squirt gun
Richard Bartel, QB
Jake Locker, QB
Bruce Gradkowski, QB = any incredibly boring and unspectacular, but practical and fairly efficient gun
Mike Kafka, QB
Matt Leinart, QB
 
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