FTA: Schurick allegedly created "The Schurick Doctrine," a plan "designed to promote confusion, emotionalism, and frustration among African-American Democrats."

"The first and foremost desired outcome [of the Schurick Doctrine strategy] is voter suppression," the document allegedly stated.


But black people are brainwashed racists if they don't vote for Republicans. . .

*drtfa*

It's the only way they'll ever win an election ever again.

Link to the documentary "How Ohio Pulled It Off".

It shows how Bush stole the 2004 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs&feature=watch-now-button&w i de=1

At they end they show how the exit poll differential was the same as it was in the Ukraine stolen election that the US forced them to redo.

Hey Republicans who want to help America and not be fuktard obstructionist for millionaires come and join the Democrats!!

We got many fiscal conservative "blue dog" Democrats. The tent is big enough for more!!

Corvus: Hey Republicans who want to help America and not be fuktard obstructionist for millionaires come and join the Democrats!!

We got many fiscal conservative "blue dog" Democrats. The tent is big enough for more!!

Oh sorry wrong thread.

Whats funny is the repubs cheated and they still lost

Corvus: We got many fiscal conservative "blue dog" Democrats. The tent is big enough for more!!

No thanks. Blue Dogs are stinking up the tent and generally acting like they run the place. We have enough of 'em.

JEB got away with it with his flawed felon list so...

Farker please.... This is obviously just a left-wing setup job...Everybody knows GOP'ers are the party of freedom and democracy. The union thugs on the left are the ones who push their weigt around and intimidated voters... Nice try.

Bob16: Link to the documentary "How Ohio Pulled It Off".

It shows how Bush stole the 2004 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs&feature=watch-now-button&w i de=1

At they end they show how the exit poll differential was the same as it was in the Ukraine stolen election that the US forced them to redo.

He could never have stolen the 2004 election had he not stolen the 2000 one first. And no, I'm not talking about the recounts / hanging chads / dueling Supreme Courts mess. I'm talking about what happened before that, which conservatively cost Gore roughly 100 votes for each one vote by which Bush "won" Florida, thanks to DataBase Technologies (DBT), a division of ChoicePoint Technologies, and their voter rolls purge that Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris had hired them to do shortly before.

Bob16: Link to the documentary "How Ohio Pulled It Off".

It shows how Bush stole the 2004 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs&feature=watch-now-button&w i de=1

At they end they show how the exit poll differential was the same as it was in the Ukraine stolen election that the US forced them to redo.

it's also how they won Fla in 2000.

katherine harris purged a lot of people with her intentionally flawed felon's list.
Rove and his friend Tim Griffin did a lot of voter caging in black neighborhoods
then the butterfly ballot debacle
and the Brook Bros riots to stop the recount

but the media let them slide and the SCOTUS appointed the corporatist necons.

Code_Archeologist: Its called projection... If you want to know what Republicans are secretly up to, look at what they rail against the most.

GOP Politician rails against voter fraud, secretly committing voter fraud to disenfranchise voters.
GOP Politician denounces homosexuality, secretly has a gay lover.
GOP Politician screams about tax and medicare fraud, writes off taxes using imaginary losses from a chain of hospitals that defraud medicare.

etc... etc... etc...

This really is all there is to say about the matter.

gilgigamesh: What I don't get is having no concept of the fact that the republican party has made its bacon for the last 40 years by demonizing blacks as lazy welfare cheats who need to have their voting rights taken away because they will just vote for whitey to give them free stuff.

It should be pretty apparent from his record that Herman Cain is a sociopath--which is why conservatives were drawn to him in the first place. He doesn't care about black people, white people, rich people, or poor people. He cares only about himself, and his own aggrandizement.

God farking dammit. We need a Constitutional amendment to fix this shiat, and a nation-wide tamperproof, idiot-proof voting method.

1) Election Day is a federal, nationally recognized holiday, just like Independence Day.
2) Election "Day" occurs on a Friday, and extends into the next Saturday and Sunday. Voters can vote on any of those days during standard polling times. Employees who must work all three days are required to be given at least one hour to attend.
3)All voting is to have an immediately countable electronic record. It will have an automatic printout stored in a secure location for easy hard recount. It will also have a second hard copy that the voter him/herself must place in a second secure location (think a mailbox). The voter must verify both hard copies.
4) A big lever to pull, signalling the voter is finished, symbolizing the satisfaction of voting. It will dispense one "I voted" sticker.

Corvus: Corvus: Hey Republicans who want to help America and not be fuktard obstructionist for millionaires come and join the Democrats!!

We got many fiscal conservative "blue dog" Democrats. The tent is big enough for more!!

Oh sorry wrong thread.

It's as appropriate here as anywhere else you'd post it.

Sergeant Grumbles: It will also have a second hard copy that the voter him/herself must place in a second secure location (think a mailbox).

What do you think this will accomplish?

Sergeant Grumbles: God farking dammit. We need a Constitutional amendment to fix this shiat, and a nation-wide tamperproof, idiot-proof voting method.

1) Election Day is a federal, nationally recognized holiday, just like Independence Day.
2) Election "Day" occurs on a Friday, and extends into the next Saturday and Sunday. Voters can vote on any of those days during standard polling times. Employees who must work all three days are required to be given at least one hour to attend.
3)All voting is to have an immediately countable electronic record. It will have an automatic printout stored in a secure location for easy hard recount. It will also have a second hard copy that the voter him/herself must place in a second secure location (think a mailbox). The voter must verify both hard copies.
4) A big lever to pull, signalling the voter is finished, symbolizing the satisfaction of voting. It will dispense one "I voted" sticker.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....!

Sergeant Grumbles: God farking dammit. We need a Constitutional amendment to fix this shiat, and a nation-wide tamperproof, idiot-proof voting method.

1) Election Day is a federal, nationally recognized holiday, just like Independence Day.
2) Election "Day" occurs on a Friday, and extends into the next Saturday and Sunday. Voters can vote on any of those days during standard polling times. Employees who must work all three days are required to be given at least one hour to attend.
3)All voting is to have an immediately countable electronic record. It will have an automatic printout stored in a secure location for easy hard recount. It will also have a second hard copy that the voter him/herself must place in a second secure location (think a mailbox). The voter must verify both hard copies.
4) A big lever to pull, signalling the voter is finished, symbolizing the satisfaction of voting. It will dispense one "I voted" sticker.

HELL YEAH!!!

meat0918: having its tendrils deep inside Lady Liberty.

whidbey: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....!

I swear I did not see this before I posted!

COMALite J: Bob16: Link to the documentary "How Ohio Pulled It Off".

It shows how Bush stole the 2004 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs&feature=watch-now-button&w i de=1

At they end they show how the exit poll differential was the same as it was in the Ukraine stolen election that the US forced them to redo.

He could never have stolen the 2004 election had he not stolen the 2000 one first. And no, I'm not talking about the recounts / hanging chads / dueling Supreme Courts mess. I'm talking about what happened before that, which conservatively cost Gore roughly 100 votes for each one vote by which Bush "won" Florida, thanks to DataBase Technologies (DBT), a division of ChoicePoint Technologies, and their voter rolls purge that Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris had hired them to do shortly before.

Agreed

Sergeant Grumbles: God farking dammit. We need a Constitutional amendment to fix this shiat, and a nation-wide tamperproof, idiot-proof voting method.

1) Election Day is a federal, nationally recognized holiday, just like Independence Day.
2) Election "Day" occurs on a Friday, and extends into the next Saturday and Sunday. Voters can vote on any of those days during standard polling times. Employees who must work all three days are required to be given at least one hour to attend.
3)All voting is to have an immediately countable electronic record. It will have an automatic printout stored in a secure location for easy hard recount. It will also have a second hard copy that the voter him/herself must place in a second secure location (think a mailbox). The voter must verify both hard copies.
4) A big lever to pull, signalling the voter is finished, symbolizing the satisfaction of voting. It will dispense one "I voted" sticker.

I like the sticker. I'm not read up enough on the issue to comment on the rest, but I wanted to voice my approval for the sticker.

anindependent: What do you think this will accomplish?

Voter confidence. Voter himself knows he put the hard copy in the mailbox. Also gives a better sense of the for voting. Last time I voted it was by touchscreen, and it never felt like I was doing anything, and sort of hard to tell I was done. It had less fanfare than swiping my debit card at the gas station.

Under perfect circumstances, the two hard copies should match, and match the electronic record, and the voter should feel confident at least one of the numbers, his/her number, is true. If any of them is off by a large margin, it needs great scrutiny and investigation.

Woah. Hold on. Time out. A few people in this thread are mixing definitions.

Voter fraud: This is the sort of fraud where people, as individuals, (or nonexistent "people", as "individuals" cast more than one vote. Typically this happens when a voter (or voters) register at more than one poll or votes under someone else's identity. Evidence shows this sort of fraud happens only in small numbers and tends to be limited in terms of the damage it can do.

Election fraud: This is systemic fraud. Just some examples: ballot boxes are tampered with (or stuffed), large numbers of voters are declared ineligible to vote, convincing people that the vote's been relocated/rescheduled, that people might be arrested or attacked for voting, where (arguably) winners are 'announced' before polling closes. Candidates are intimidated. This is the sort of fraud the UN seeks to prevent through poll observation to detect and whistleblow systemic irregularities.

If you listen to the partisans, the GOP traditionally seeks to prevent voter fraud, but is frequently accused of seeking opportunities to commit election fraud.

The Dems, on the other hand, traditionally seek to prevent election fraud, and are frequently accused of seeking opportunities to commit systemic voter fraud.

I've expressed this as neutrally as I can. Yes, I have a strong opinion here (and no, it's not very hidden), but for this post, that's the best I can do. Please try to avoid conflating the definitions, or you'll wind up confusing everybody.

Thanks.

Hobodeluxe: Bob16: Link to the documentary "How Ohio Pulled It Off".

It shows how Bush stole the 2004 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvAix5YOzs&feature=watch-now-button&w i de=1

At they end they show how the exit poll differential was the same as it was in the Ukraine stolen election that the US forced them to redo.

it's also how they won Fla in 2000.

katherine harris purged a lot of people with her intentionally flawed felon's list.
Rove and his friend Tim Griffin did a lot of voter caging in black neighborhoods
then the butterfly ballot debacle
and the Brook Bros riots to stop the recount

but the media let them slide and the SCOTUS appointed the corporatist necons.

Like i said earlier there is one very slight silver lining to the 2 Bush election thefts.

The US population was not stupid and evil enough to actually elect him

So you want to track how individuals vote so they can make sure their mail box ballot matches both the e-copy and the other paper copy?

I don't like that idea.

People who think their vote actually counts are too trusting. I give it about a 50/50 chance your vote actually counts at all. Why else would we still reject the international election monitors? They're good enough for the Iraq but how dare they monitor voting irregularities in Ohio.

Mark an 'X' on a printed piece of paper. Put paper in box. Count papers in box. Phone in results.

/ One election, one evening, few questions, every time.
// Still the best way.

Shaggy_C: People who think their vote actually counts are too trusting. I give it about a 50/50 chance your vote actually counts at all. Why else would we still reject the international election monitors? They're good enough for the Iraq but how dare they monitor voting irregularities in Ohio.

Still the effort expended to vote is so small that it doesn't make sense to not vote.

Shaggy_C: People who think their vote actually counts are too trusting. I give it about a 50/50 chance your vote actually counts at all. Why else would we still reject the international election monitors? They're good enough for the Iraq but how dare they monitor voting irregularities in Ohio.

Obviously we need another incident to complete the trifecta. Maybe then we'd get some traction to support international monitoring.

meat0918: Meh.

Another overzealous staffer in an isolated incident.

Now if he was a Democrat, it'd be proof of widespread corruption and ACORN still having its tendrils deep inside Lady Liberty.

gilgigamesh: HighOnCraic: FTA: Schurick allegedly created "The Schurick Doctrine," a plan "designed to promote confusion, emotionalism, and frustration among African-American Democrats."

"The first and foremost desired outcome [of the Schurick Doctrine strategy] is voter suppression," the document allegedly stated.


But black people are brainwashed racists if they don't vote for Republicans. . .

This is why it's so hard for me to understand the mentality of people like Herman Cain. I can see supporting the republican party because you are rich and they represent your interests.

What I don't get is having no concept of the fact that the republican party has made its bacon for the last 40 years by demonizing blacks as lazy welfare cheats who need to have their voting rights taken away because they will just vote for whitey to give them free stuff.

The only way I can understand it is that people like Herman Cain look around at other people the same way a Newt Gingrich or a Bernie Madoff would. They don't have any sense of true togetherness with their own groups, Republican or otherwise. They would totally sell them out to get ahead. People like Herman Cain can't feel empathy and are constantly on the lookout for people to exploit. The water tastes the same? The Civil Rights movement was not about buses and water fountains but you'd have to have a conscience to get that. The crap he said sounded almost scripted but dumbshiat conservatives who think the only black contribution to America was peanut butter would eat that shiat up.

His wife is what I'll never understand especially since she votes Democrat. She can't possibly have conversations with him.

DarwiOdrade: Boy, those grapes are sure sour, huh?

The lack of institutional control around voting makes it ripe for abuse. Honestly, if were up to me, I would do away with the secret ballot. The best disinfectant is sunlight, after all...

bugontherug: So you want to track how individuals vote so they can make sure their mail box ballot matches both the e-copy and the other paper copy?

I don't like that idea.

Eh, what?
Not like I had this readily typed up with citation or anything, so sorry if I'm not clear.

This should all occur in the voting booth, behind a curtain or closed door. No one but the voter sees either copy, and the hard copy has no need for identification on it.
My thought process is something like "Okay, mine's right. The other copy is right. And hopefully the computer has it all recorded as well. Knowing that everything looks right, I'm going to secure my vote in the mailbox there."
Any one can be tampered with, but harder to tamper when the voter has to verify everything before approving it by securing it.

[Correction: Schurick was not accused the author of the "Schurick Doctrine," rather he claims he rejected the proposal when it was presented to him.]

WTF?

anindependent: gilgigamesh: What I don't get is having no concept of the fact that the republican party has made its bacon for the last 40 years by demonizing blacks as lazy welfare cheats who need to have their voting rights taken away because they will just vote for whitey to give them free stuff.

It should be pretty apparent from his record that Herman Cain is a sociopath--which is why conservatives were drawn to him in the first place. He doesn't care about black people, white people, rich people, or poor people. He cares only about himself, and his own aggrandizement.

That. I wrote it but I type too slowly.

MooseUpNorth: Woah. Hold on. Time out. A few people in this thread are mixing definitions.

Voter fraud: This is the sort of fraud where people, as individuals, (or nonexistent "people", as "individuals" cast more than one vote. Typically this happens when a voter (or voters) register at more than one poll or votes under someone else's identity. Evidence shows this sort of fraud happens only in small numbers and tends to be limited in terms of the damage it can do.

Election fraud: This is systemic fraud. Just some examples: ballot boxes are tampered with (or stuffed), large numbers of voters are declared ineligible to vote, convincing people that the vote's been relocated/rescheduled, that people might be arrested or attacked for voting, where (arguably) winners are 'announced' before polling closes. Candidates are intimidated. This is the sort of fraud the UN seeks to prevent through poll observation to detect and whistleblow systemic irregularities.

If you listen to the partisans, the GOP traditionally claims seeks to prevent voter fraud in order to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, but is frequently accused of seeking opportunities to commit election fraud.

The Dems, on the other hand, traditionally seek to prevent election fraud, and are frequently and wrongly, for the most part, accused of seeking opportunities to commit systemic voter fraud.

I've expressed this as neutrally as I can. Yes, I have a strong opinion here (and no, it's not very hidden), but for this post, that's the best I can do. Please try to avoid conflating the definitions, or you'll wind up confusing everybody.

Thanks.

FTFY

Heheheh "dem-o-rat."

*makes Peter Lorre faces*