GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.



Republicans now consider Teddy Roosevelt Socialist.

[its funny to watch you idiots]

hubiestubert: Does that mean that corporate tax cuts are ALSO socialism?

Corporate tax cuts are necessary for freedom. Because freedom. Corporate tax cuts are good and socialism is bad, therefore corporate tax cuts are not socialism.

You of all people should have figured this out.

GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.




Our country-this great Republic-means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy, the triumph of popular government, and, in the long run, of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him. That is why the history of America is now the central feature of the history of the world; for the world has set its face hopefully toward our democracy; and, O my fellow citizens, each one of you carries on your shoulders not only the burden of doing well for the sake of your country, but the burden of doing well and of seeing that this nation does well for the sake of mankind.

SOCIALISM!

If Lincoln or Theodore Roosevelt was alive today he would call the Republican a group of fuktards!

GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.

Um...what the fark are you trying to say here exactly? Maybe my brain is a little fried right now, but that looks like you kind of accidentally the whole thing.

Serious Black: GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.

Um...what the fark are you trying to say here exactly? Maybe my brain is a little fried right now, but that looks like you kind of accidentally the whole thing.

He is saying "opportunity for all" is socialism. Opportunity should only exist for the rich and children of the rich. He is just forgetting to sugar coat what he actually believes.

But Republicans said it was another attempt to distract from what they see as Obama's failed economic record. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell accused the president and his fellow Democrats of resorting to "cheap political theater."

I like how instead of refuting anything he said, he goes "B-b-b-but SPENDING!!!"


vernonFL: [mikeely.files.wordpress.com image 303x423]

"At stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home and secure their retirement,"

"Their philosophy is simple: we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules. Well, I'm here to say they are wrong,"

Um, yeah, switching to Mao instead of Hitler doesn't make your assertion any less stupid. Someone's a Glenn Beck fan.

/Becky Boy's been doing the same thing

Serious Black: GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.

Um...what the fark are you trying to say here exactly? Maybe my brain is a little fried right now, but that looks like you kind of accidentally the whole thing.

He is saying social justice, protecting the middle class and charging the wealthiest amongst us any more taxes is comparable to Nazism. herp. derp.

I wonder if Obama can keep making Republicans fall over themselves looking like idiots to disagree with him on popular issues for an entire year.

Ambivalence: Corvus: Republicans now consider Teddy Roosevelt Socialist.

[its funny to watch you idiots]

Yes they do (without even realizing it).

And no it's not funny to watch. Those "idiots" have way too much power. They need to be put in straight jackets and bike helmets so they're not a danger to themselves and others.

True it is scary because they vote like lemmings.

Corvus: GaryPDX: I like how he called for a "new Nationalism" where there's plenty of social justice to go around. People pay their "fair share" and get a "fair shot" according to their abilities. It sounds really cool, like a New Socialist Nationalism. This is something new.



Republicans now consider Teddy Roosevelt SocialistA nazi.

[its funny to watch you idiots]

Gary godwinned the thread, might as well call it.

Yes and calling for crushing taxes on the middle class and poor can be starkly populist, subby. It all really hinges upon the arguement presented. If it is one that is sturring of the emotions and sets us vs them then yes it is populism.

James!: How do you get the middle class to hate the middle class?

blame the black guy

obama: re-elect me and i'll make the rich people give you all their money!!!
libtards: eat the rich! yay obama! woo hooo, free shiat!!!!

So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent? I am in the middle class, and when the Bush tax cuts expire, my taxes will go up.

As it is, the student loan interest and the child care deductibles reductions are going to hurt next year.

colon_pow: obama: re-elect me and i'll make the rich people give you all their money!!!
libtards: eat the rich! yay obama! woo hooo, free shiat!!!!

So now tax cuts are "giving people money" and a handout? Funny the Republicans didn't say that when they added 2 Trillion in tax cuts that mostly went to the rich.

So people involuntarily giving money to be spent at the discretion of the state for the betterment of the whole is not socialist, but less taking of money from them is socialist? Do these people live in backwards world?

colon_pow: libtards: eat the rich!

It's better to be eaten by the rich, so vote republican!

pxsteel: So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent? I am in the middle class, and when the Bush tax cuts expire, my taxes will go up.

As it is, the student loan interest and the child care deductibles reductions are going to hurt next year.

I am for that over then making a bullshiat deal where the rich get their giant tax breaks and steal money from Social Security.

feed the wealthy, you farking chattel, you.

And the bought and paid for Republican party continue to shill for their masters, thinking that the American public doesn't listen nor care.

Nothing shocking here. The only ones being critical about this are the people already bought and paid for. Who gives a fark about what those assholes think? They signed that away when they got paid off.

rudemix: So people involuntarily giving money to be spent at the discretion of the state for the betterment of the whole is not socialist, but less taking of money from them is socialist? Do these people live in backwards world?

Basically anything Obama says is socialist. They don't care if they have for years said they are for the exact same things.

Corvus: pxsteel: So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent? I am in the middle class, and when the Bush tax cuts expire, my taxes will go up.

As it is, the student loan interest and the child care deductibles reductions are going to hurt next year.

I am for that over then making a bullshiat deal where the rich get their giant tax breaks and steal money from Social Security.

The problem is, My taxes will go up and I have full faith the the corporations will find a way around the system and still pay nothing.

pxsteel: I am in the middle class, and when the Bush tax cuts expire, my taxes will go up.

are you in the 25K middle class or the 250K middle class?

Sounds like Obama wants to spread the wealth. The poor 1% must be crushed .... .. . ... .. by the weight of their mountains of cash.

ultraholland: pxsteel: I am in the middle class, and when the Bush tax cuts expire, my taxes will go up.

are you in the 25K middle class or the 250K middle class?

Much closer to the 25K than the 250K

pxsteel: So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent?

For me, yes.

Yes, socialism is such a dirty word.

Why the very thought of it makes me want to speak North Korean. I'd better turn on Fox News and clear my head for a bit.

Corvus: rudemix: So people involuntarily giving money to be spent at the discretion of the state for the betterment of the whole is not socialist, but less taking of money from them is socialist? Do these people live in backwards world?

Basically anything Obama says is socialist. They don't care if they have for years said they are for the exact same things.

*shakeshead*

Scary world of politics of emotions over logic.

thomps: calling for policies that favor the general population at the expense of the elite is populist. that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Nor would being socialist, were they actually socialist. Which of course they aren't, as this has nothing to do with means of production or communal property whatsoever.

Also, we're running a rather substantial deficit, so taxes need to go up. Whether that's done by actually raising the rates and otherwise keeping things the same or closing exceptions/deductions/other loopholes is the only part that's actually arguable, and even that's not really necessarily an important distinction from a practical perspective. None of this is really left wing, right wing, liberal, conservative, socialist, or communist, it's being able to do basic arithmetic.

Well, when you have a middle class so fond of sucking the corporate ass, things like that actually are "starkly populist."

HotWingConspiracy: pxsteel: So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent?

For me, yes.

pssst... you're supposed to be for obama's payroll tax cut and against the bush tax cuts.

colon_pow: HotWingConspiracy: pxsteel: So everyone here is in favor of making the Bush tax cuts permanent?

For me, yes.

pssst... you're supposed to be for obama's payroll tax cut and against the bush tax cuts.

I'm for my tax cuts.

pxsteel: Much closer to the 25K than the 250K

then I would side with lessening your tax burden

Jim_Callahan: Also, we're running a rather substantial deficit, so taxes need to go up spending needs to go down.

FTFY

/because if we give them more money they'll just piss it away and not deal with the deficit

OgreMagi: Jim_Callahan: Also, we're running a rather substantial deficit, so taxes need to go up spending needs to go down.

FTFY

The real elephant in the room: the military budget. Yes, we need to cut it.

/because if we give them more money they'll just piss it away and not deal with the deficit

Yes, they'll "piss it away" on all those social programs we don't need, and funding that wacky alphabet soup of government agencies. Good call.

Raising taxes on one group of people levels the playing field for everyone else......it mystically makes them go to school and apply themselves....or something.


Theres plenty of trailers and section 8 housing that would be sitting vacant if wealthy people paid more taxes.

Giltric: Raising taxes on one group of people levels the playing field for everyone else......it mystically makes them go to school and apply themselves....or something.


Theres plenty of trailers and section 8 housing that would be sitting vacant if wealthy people paid more taxes.

Know how I can tell you really don't understand what poverty actually is?