Dusk-You-n-Me: sheilanagig: How are you so sure of that?

Yes, absolutely sure. Both parties have their rich and corrupt, no denying that. One party fights for the middle class. Only one. That's a fact.

... which one?

FTFA: Ari Fleischer also emailed Yahoo News to share his complete list of Obama flip-flops, which, in addition to the points above, includes: .. and kept [Guantanamo] open

Because congress blocked the closure and prevented the transfer of prisoners to US soil, but let's just ignore that point.

Sgygus: Assuming that Romney gets the GOP nomination, this is classic Rovian tactics: accuse your opponent of your own shortcomings.

Just wait till they leak that he's fathered two black children.

Well, it worked with Kerry.
But the problem is that he's flip-flopped on issues they don't like. Like curbing emissions. And prosecuting torturers. So how are they going to spin it so that it's favorable?
On second thought, don't answer that. They're devious enough to find a way.

Flip flopper? Did Republicans really think he swore allegiance to Osama Bin Ladin?

I'm not one to wish harm on people, but I wouldn't mind it if Ari Fleischer got a few nasty papercuts. The man is an asshole of the highest magnitude.

Minarets: FTFA: Ari Fleischer also emailed Yahoo News to share his complete list of Obama flip-flops, which, in addition to the points above, includes: .. and kept [Guantanamo] open

Because congress blocked the closure and prevented the transfer of prisoners to US soil, but let's just ignore that point.

The GOP realized a long time ago that voters don't know how government works. This is why they constantly attack Obama for not doing Congress's job.

HotWingConspiracy: Minarets: FTFA: Ari Fleischer also emailed Yahoo News to share his complete list of Obama flip-flops, which, in addition to the points above, includes: .. and kept [Guantanamo] open

Because congress blocked the closure and prevented the transfer of prisoners to US soil, but let's just ignore that point.

The GOP realized a long time ago that voters don't know how government works. This is why they constantly attack Obama for not doing Congress's job.



In a way, Bush did do congress' job though signing statements.

Sgygus: Assuming that Romney gets the GOP nomination, this is classic Rovian tactics: accuse your opponent of your own shortcomings.

Except that I suspect that Rove was capable of pulling off the misdirection competently. Unfortunately for the GOP, they don't have anyone else quite that good and Rove himself is basically retired, his current job is just to basically sit back and make snarky comments from the rocking chair on his porch for the NYT occasionally.

I usually don't post comics, but... have some Non Sequitur.

sheilanagig: I think the lot of them should be chased out of office for what they've done to this country and freedom.

Obama is part of that, like it or not, but he is no different than the rest of them. The whole presidential race is going to be a bunch of pot/kettle bullshiat with the same old, same old coming out on top every time. It's a coin with two heads and no tails. Whoever gets it will continue to withdraw civil liberties and foster the creation of a police state.

SO THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE AND VOTE FOR NADER!

Like in the 2000 Presidential election, there will be a significant choice in the 2012 election-between a sane, mainstream politician and a crazy person who will significantly damage the country. Voting for neither increases the chance of the country being significantly damaged.

Bush didn't start the Iraq war; Ralph Nader (and the people who voted for him) did.

Not voting for Obama is voting for a new war in the Middle East, probably against Iran; again, just like 2000 but an N instead of a Q. Not to mention being a huge blow to reproductive freedom, gay rights, a strong safety net, and a million other things.

My vote for Obama hangs on vetoing NDAA

oh hells no! i will scream,
wheres the birf certrificate every farkin single day till the electon

Britney Spear's Speculum: My vote for Obama hangs on vetoing NDAA

So, if he doesn't, you'll vote for Romney or Gingrich? Or vote third party? Or not vote? So you really think Obama is the exact equal to Romney or Gingrich, so much so that you don't care who wins? Really?

Geotpf: sheilanagig: I think the lot of them should be chased out of office for what they've done to this country and freedom.

Obama is part of that, like it or not, but he is no different than the rest of them. The whole presidential race is going to be a bunch of pot/kettle bullshiat with the same old, same old coming out on top every time. It's a coin with two heads and no tails. Whoever gets it will continue to withdraw civil liberties and foster the creation of a police state.

SO THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE AND VOTE FOR NADER!

Like in the 2000 Presidential election, there will be a significant choice in the 2012 election-between a sane, mainstream politician and a crazy person who will significantly damage the country. Voting for neither increases the chance of the country being significantly damaged.

Bush didn't start the Iraq war; Ralph Nader (and the people who voted for him) did.

Not voting for Obama is voting for a new war in the Middle East, probably against Iran; again, just like 2000 but an N instead of a Q. Not to mention being a huge blow to reproductive freedom, gay rights, a strong safety net, and a million other things.

Pretty much this. Voting matters.

Also, voting is a moderator.

The more votes a politician gets, the more moderate he needs to be. It also spills over into future elections, as others trying to take or retake the seat have to appeal to the demographic voting data. The less voters, the easier it is to take a seat with a smaller group of people, which lends to some very radical representation.

There's no surprise that some of the smaller districts give us the craziest congress critters. It's much easier to corral their troops, get them to vote upwards of 90% of registration, and suppress others from bothering to vote.

Long story short, voting 3rd party or not voting at all tends cause the problems that people bring up when they say why they're not bothering to vote. Politicians know that, which is why they're actively trying to suppress the vote as much as possible.

Obama is a flip flopper. He said he was going to act like a democrat but instead he acted like a republican, so vote republican.

"There's a lot of people who feel sorry for him."

Yeah, that's what it is. Pity.

/Pity's what I should be feeling for the RNC, right?

The flip-flopper charge worked really well for Kerry, because it started before most americans really knew the guy. Don't think it will work who will have been president for 4 farking years.

In any case, with this newest addition, Obama is now a flip-flopping strident dogmatic lazy traitorous racist anti-colonial elitist stupid condescending nazi atheist muslim socialist.

To all people who say that Republicans are just the same as Democrats remember 2000 presidential election of Bush over Gore.

As opposed to Obama's brilliant plan?

Which consists of not reminding anyone of anything he's done over the last four years and blaming the Republicans who somehow caused all the problems in spite of Democrats being completely in control for two years.

randomjsa: As opposed to Obama's brilliant plan?

Which consists of not reminding anyone of anything he's done over the last four years.

Pretty sure he's going to bring up being in the big chair when Bin Laden and Gadhafi got killed.
But you knew that, libbynomore2, so I'll let you jump back up on the cross.

Minarets: Because congress blocked the closure and prevented the transfer of prisoners to US soil, but let's just ignore that point.

Obama wanted to set up a prison in the US with the same function of indefinite detention with no charges. Our objection to gitmo isn't the location, and recreating the same prison on us soil isn't a civil rights victory.

phritz: The flip-flopper charge worked really well for Kerry, because it started before most americans really knew the guy. Don't think it will work who will have been president for 4 farking years.

In any case, with this newest addition, Obama is now a flip-flopping strident dogmatic lazy traitorous racist anti-colonial elitist stupid condescending nazi atheist muslim socialist.

You forgot Kenyan.

sheilanagig: Dusk-You-n-Me: sheilanagig: Obama is part of that, like it or not, but he is no different than the rest of them.

Both sides are bad, both sides are not equally bad. Not by a long shot.

How are you so sure of that? 60 Minutes did a piece about loopholes to insider trading laws that make it legal for senators to do it. Nancy Pelosi dodged a question about her own personal enrichment which was accomplished this way. Even Franken is getting paid for his influence. How do you explain both R and D politicians going into politics with middling means and coming out extremely wealthy by any standard? They don't go to bat for the people, and they're getting rich by not doing it.

Did you miss the part where Pelosi was the only Democrat that had anything CLOSE to the insider-trading 60 Minutes was accusing the Republicans of? And the nearest they could come to Pelosi was her husband, not any trading that she herself had done. Plus the Democrats aren't actively trying to turn back the clock on abortion, education, healthcare, gay rights, etc.

Nope, not equally bad. Not even close.

FTA: Thompson said that his group's research suggests that voters are giving Obama higher approval on foreign policy than on the issue of jobs and the economy.

I wonder if that's because foreign policy is one of the few areas where Congress can't fark him over and obstruct him as much?

They're all filp-floppers. Politicians will say whatever it takes to get elected. But none of what they say changes what they do once in office. Anybody who votes for someone based on what that person says during the campaign is an idiot.

And how does anybody over the age of 25 not see this?

Well... there is one exception. There is one person in politics who is honest.

Jim_Callahan: Sgygus: Assuming that Romney gets the GOP nomination, this is classic Rovian tactics: accuse your opponent of your own shortcomings.

Except that I suspect that Rove was capable of pulling off the misdirection competently. Unfortunately for the GOP, they don't have anyone else quite that good and Rove himself is basically retired, his current job is just to basically sit back and make snarky comments from the rocking chair on his porch for the NYT occasionally.

Rove isn't retired. He's running American Crossroads PAC, which has already collected a quarter of a billion dollars from unnamed sources to pay for anti-Obama ads, which already started running months ago.

Blahbbs: FTA: Thompson said that his group's research suggests that voters are giving Obama higher approval on foreign policy than on the issue of jobs and the economy.

I wonder if that's because foreign policy is one of the few areas where Congress can't fark him over and obstruct him as much?

I'm sure that's EXACTLY why.

Alphax: Blahbbs: FTA: Thompson said that his group's research suggests that voters are giving Obama higher approval on foreign policy than on the issue of jobs and the economy.

I wonder if that's because foreign policy is one of the few areas where Congress can't fark him over and obstruct him as much?

I'm sure that's EXACTLY why.

If the Republicans had tried to work with Obama instead of block everything he does 100% without question, I might have taken them seriously.

Still, the GOP wants to raise taxes on the bottom half the country and cut taxes even further for the wealthy. Obama wants to keep the tax cuts for average people. He's on the right side of a HUGE populist issue. This is a no brainer.

Obama will win 2012. At least that's what the Republican base is currently saying. And by that I mean FreeRepublic.

Peki: sheilanagig: Dusk-You-n-Me: sheilanagig: Obama is part of that, like it or not, but he is no different than the rest of them.

Both sides are bad, both sides are not equally bad. Not by a long shot.

How are you so sure of that? 60 Minutes did a piece about loopholes to insider trading laws that make it legal for senators to do it. Nancy Pelosi dodged a question about her own personal enrichment which was accomplished this way. Even Franken is getting paid for his influence. How do you explain both R and D politicians going into politics with middling means and coming out extremely wealthy by any standard? They don't go to bat for the people, and they're getting rich by not doing it.

Did you miss the part where Pelosi was the only Democrat that had anything CLOSE to the insider-trading 60 Minutes was accusing the Republicans of? And the nearest they could come to Pelosi was her husband, not any trading that she herself had done. Plus the Democrats aren't actively trying to turn back the clock on abortion, education, healthcare, gay rights, etc.

Nope, not equally bad. Not even close.

You have to remember that A) republicans are retards* and B) they only see things in black and white. Bad is bad to them. Stealing a nickel from a hobo is bad and a 95 headcount murder spree is also bad. Finding a dollar is good and curing cancer is also good. Everything they had shown and all the rhetoric they have spewed has made this abundantly clear. You are with us or against us. You are with us or you support the terrorists. In this way they can very easily (and honestly, disgustingly enough) proclaim that both sides are bad, no one here will argue that the democrats have never sinned.
Since we have gone so far as to identify that neither parties have never sinned, then they are on equal footing. Because they are on equal footing, hell, you really oughta root for the home team. Their world views don't allow for gradients because once you muddy the waters you have to start to *think* to come to conclusions and form opinions. The GOP echo chamber (Fox Newx, politicians, Freepers, AM radio) is premised wholly on the ability to control a message and thrust an opinion upon the masses. The simpler the message, the greater the acceptance and parroting rate. It's very difficult to cultivate an intricate, nuanced and realistic solution (or even idea) to today's complex real-world issues, so they don't even try. For f*ck's sake, look at the debt crisis back in July/August!
Anyway, in summary both sides are bad so vote republican is a valid war-cry for these assholes because the world really is that black and white to them, again because of the retardation.

\*really f*cking retarded.
\\pants on head
\\\sofa-king
\\\\slashies!

Right.

Just like they 'accidentally' picked Palin as McSame's running mate, at the same time blowing the lid of the AIP which Sarah and her limp-dick retarded-baby-producing husband were members of until at least 2001.

/you're all stupid
//everyone's stupid but me

Ha ha ha!

That frickin' weasel Ari Fleischer. That douche is a professional liar.

randomjsa: As opposed to Obama's brilliant plan?

Which consists of not reminding anyone of anything he's done over the last four years and blaming the Republicans who somehow caused all the problems in spite of Democrats being completely in control for two years.

I've been wondering--what does your own armpit taste like?