"They could be the person who greets you when you walk in the door," Gingrich said, per POLITICO's Ginger Gibson. "They could help in the school library. They can help in the kitchen. They can help clean up after lunch."

He want's to put school security in the hands of a grade school student?\

"Hi, Mr. Sandusky! Sure you can hang out in the boys bathroom!"

The whole proposition starts with the assumption that poor people are poor because they're lazy. His "solution" is irrelevant as the assumption obviates the need for action.
His real message is "fnck the poor." The rest is bullsh*t.

So, poor kids can earn money in high school by doing the very same jobs they're trying desperately to avoid as adults! Woo!

I guess we should allow them to vote too.

"They could help in the school library. They can help in the kitchen. They can help clean up after lunch."

Shouldn't they be back in class after lunch? I mean, how much class time and study time does Gingrich intend for poor kids to devote to janitorial duties instead of being in class and studying?

Oh, I see, this is less about teaching work ethic and more about cementing the foundation on a permanent serf class in the US.

So he wants poor kids to clean up after the better off. I'm sure that will be an enriching experience for them.

OJT "class" is already a joke. This guy wants to expand on that.

TheGrayCat: James!: Why would a school hire a child to do a job better suited to an adult? Especially a child who is attending that school, are they cleaning during school hours?

That's what I don't get. Is Gingrich actually advocating that poor kids skip class to wash the lunch dishes? Neglect their homework to stay after school and mop the hallways?


I do NOT support Newt Gringrich in any way, shape, or form, but students in other countries help clean their schools all the time. In Japan, for instance.

/sure I'm going catch crap for my post anyways....

Nice to know that Labor is still the new Civil Rights Movement.

TheGrayCat: James!: Why would a school hire a child to do a job better suited to an adult? Especially a child who is attending that school, are they cleaning during school hours?

That's what I don't get. Is Gingrich actually advocating that poor kids skip class to wash the lunch dishes? Neglect their homework to stay after school and mop the hallways?

Everytime I think Gingrich could not possibly get MORE insane - he proves me wrong.

Ugh, sorry. I didn't see your comment until I posted mine.

And if he means for the kids to do this work after school hours, then does he mean for them to not have as much time for homework, studying, sports and other activities as their more well-off fellow students?

TheGrayCat: That's what I don't get. Is Gingrich actually advocating that poor kids skip class to wash the lunch dishes? Neglect their homework to stay after school and mop the hallways?

Do you think he wants an educated electorate?

James!: Why would a school hire a child to do a job better suited to an adult? Especially a child who is attending that school, are they cleaning during school hours?

For what it's worth, some schools are doing it now. I remember in high school the mentally disabled kids would have a period after lunch in "picking up shiat and janitorin'"

don't they do something simular in Japan, that is, student clean the classroom after school each day?

I don't think we have the school structure to make that work. I'd much prefer more job/skill training in highschool.

oldass31: TheGrayCat: James!: Why would a school hire a child to do a job better suited to an adult? Especially a child who is attending that school, are they cleaning during school hours?

That's what I don't get. Is Gingrich actually advocating that poor kids skip class to wash the lunch dishes? Neglect their homework to stay after school and mop the hallways?


I do NOT support Newt Gringrich in any way, shape, or form, but students in other countries help clean their schools all the time. In Japan, for instance.

/sure I'm going catch crap for my post anyways....

In the other countries is it expected of all students, or just the poorer ones?

Do you think the average high school student knows how to install a toilet main?

"Kids shouldn't work in coal mines, kids shouldn't work in heavy industry," said Gingrich, who suggested that hiring eight or 10 children could eliminate the need for two janitorial jobs per school.


Janitors have more keys and access privileges to schools than Messi has ways to make defenders look stupid.

I'm sure nothing could go wrong here.

Antimatter: don't they do something simular in Japan, that is, student clean the classroom after school each day?

Yes, but every student pitches in and it's not a paying job. It's more about communally maintaining their learning environment, which is not what he is suggesting at all.

moops: Do you think the average high school student knows how to install a toilet main?

That would be an insanely useful skill to teach some high school students. Also, simple electrical wiring, welding and HVAC. But I don't think we do useful things in high school anymore, and it shouldn't be taught as labor anyway, it should be a class.

(wish I learned to weld in high school, I don't do it for a living but I love welding)

Charles Dickens wasn't trying to write guides to how to run an economy!

"Mrs. Johnson, is Billy in class today?"
"Yes, he is. He's working on a hand turkey."
"Please tell him to head over to the kindergarten annex with the sawdust. One of the kids ate a gerbil turd."

Also, how quickly will the opportunity for poor kids to be paid (barely paid) to clean become the obligation for them to clean?

"Shouldn't you be in "the Program" Timmy? Your father lost his job, after all."

FTA: "They could be the person who greets you when you walk in the door," Gingrich said, per POLITICO's Ginger Gibson. "They could help in the school library. They can help in the kitchen. They can help clean up after lunch."

It's a school, you big-headed cocksucker. Kids go to school to learn and not to work until it is legal for them to work, you big-headed cocksucker.

Next: Newt Gingrich formulates a plan to send poor children to the spice mines of Kessel.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The whole proposition starts with the assumption that poor people are poor because they're lazy. His "solution" is irrelevant as the assumption obviates the need for action.
His real message is "fnck the poor." The rest is bullsh*t.

God damn, it takes a special kind of stupid to keep harping on this point.
Does he have any clue what Janitors have to deal with? Does he not realize that,
a) It's not just picking up garbage and mopping the floors,
b) children already help out around their class and their schools sometimes, though this varies by school of course.

HotWingConspiracy: Antimatter: don't they do something simular in Japan, that is, student clean the classroom after school each day?

Yes, but every student pitches in and it's not a paying job. It's more about communally maintaining their learning environment, which is not what he is suggesting at all.

And, you know, is not essentially indentured servitude for 8 to 12 year olds.

James!: Antimatter: don't they do something simular in Japan, that is, student clean the classroom after school each day?

I don't think we have the school structure to make that work. I'd much prefer more job/skill training in highschool.

There is a difference between all the students helping to clean and some of the poor students being paid to clean.

Either way, if I'm a school administrator I'd be hiring Bob the adult janitor to run the buffing machine instead of Timmy the 8th grader.

Right. If it was unpaid though, and applied to everyone, I think it would be ok.

But clearly as presented it would be unacceptable.

and work with dangerous chemicals. I would love some janitor to explain to Newt what a janitor actually does.

Stupid poor people who want to try to get a college education to get a high paying job, don't you know that's only for RICH CHILDREN!!

Is it really so wrong to want those who receive government assistance to pay it back a little; even if it is a token gesture?

Even Teddy Roosevelt didn't give money away - he found jobs for people to do and payed them for doing something, even if it was just planting trees.

ORLY TITS: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The whole proposition starts with the assumption that poor people are poor because they're lazy. His "solution" is irrelevant as the assumption obviates the need for action.
His real message is "fnck the poor." The rest is bullsh*t.

Maybe it's not just the poor.
Maybe he hates the poor and children, and in this case he's capitalizing on a core intersection of the two.

That's a great idea Newt, let's increase the labor pool during a high unemployment recession!

What's wrong with paying your keep? It's not like poor kids' parents are paying property taxes, or any taxes. So the kids have to pitch in a bit to pay for their teachers' salaries. What's the problem with that? There's no such thing as a free lunch. Econ 101.

Will he be defunding school lunches so that children don't get too fat to clean the chimneys?