Baylor's coach is a moron. Wisconsin at 16? Actually, really badly biased against the Big 10 across the board.

Playoffs? Don't talk to me about playoffs. Playoffs?

Just for the record, if we bump OKST up to #3 from the voters who are braindead (and ALA up to #3 from the two voters who put them fourth), we get ALA at .9421 and OKST at .9377.

RminusQ: Just for the record, if we bump OKST up to #3 from the voters who are braindead (and ALA up to #3 from the two voters who put them fourth), we get ALA at .9421 and OKST at .9377.

I heard that on radio yesterday. Do you have a source?

NetOwl: Yeah, OSU beat much tougher teams than Alabama did, but if you don't look at their schedules at all, it's obvious that Alabama played a tougher schedule!

But Alabama played the powerhouse Ole Miss (2-10, 0-8 SEC), Mississipi State (6-6, 2-6 SEC), and Florida (6-6, 3-5 SEC). Everybody knows at every SEC team is a struggle because the SEC is the greatest conference in football history!

NetOwl: Yeah, OSU beat much tougher teams than Alabama did, but if you don't look at their schedules at all, it's obvious that Alabama played a tougher schedule!

If LSU had not decided to play their worst game of the season against an Alabama team that played even worse that game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.


The real joke of the bowl season is that Boise has to play Arizona State. Really? A team that went 11-1 and embarrassed the #2 SEC team gets Arizona State in their bowl?

Yeah, and how about the PAC 12 #2 having to play Illinois in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl? What bullshiat!

merkey88: NetOwl: Yeah, OSU beat much tougher teams than Alabama did, but if you don't look at their schedules at all, it's obvious that Alabama played a tougher schedule!

If LSU had not decided to play their worst game of the season against an Alabama team that played even worse that game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.


The real joke of the bowl season is that Boise has to play Arizona State. Really? A team that went 11-1 and embarrassed the #2 SEC team gets Arizona State in their bowl?

To be fair, nobody outside of Athens thinks Georgia is the 2nd best SEC team. I think they'd get an average of 5th in a poll of the SEC coaches.

I'm not so sure many people in Athens believe that either.

AdmirableSnackbar: A playoff system should take 10 teams at most (with the top 2 getting 1st round byes).

A playoff system would be awesome if it had a different number of teams every year - some years it really is solved by having 2 teams (USC/Texas). Some years there aren't any undefeateds. Some years there are five undefeated squads, three of which come from BCS conferences.

I'd like something like an 11-win requirement against FBS teams to get in.

/well, sorta - I want them to continue scheduling FCS schools, too, since that pays for the FCS programs to exist

AverageJoe77: 32 team playoff. Each conference gets two automatic bids. The last 11 spots go to the 11 schools that are ranked by the media, but did NOT get an automatic bids. Those schools that didn't make it into the playoff can STILL go play in the potato/cereal bowl. The former BCS bowls can bid on hosting the championship or semifinal games. There would be a crap ton of money from networks to air 5 weeks of PLAYOFF football. It'd be like March Madness, only with football.

This is the dumbest idea since stupid came to Retardedville, Mississippi.

Krymson Tyde: RminusQ: Just for the record, if we bump OKST up to #3 from the voters who are braindead (and ALA up to #3 from the two voters who put them fourth), we get ALA at .9421 and OKST at .9377.

I heard that on radio yesterday. Do you have a source?

I, uh, counted. OKST gains six points in the coaches' poll and has a new score of .9315. OKST gains 24 points in the Harris, and Alabama 2, to go to .9315 and .9478 respectively.

Krymson Tyde: The real joke of the bowl season is that Boise has to play Arizona State. Really? A team that went 11-1 and embarrassed the #2 SEC team gets Arizona State in their bowl?

Yeah, and how about the PAC 12 #2 having to play Illinois in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl? What bullshiat!

NONONONONONONO stop being intentionally stupid and wrong. The loser of a conference championship game is NOT automatically the second best team in the conference!

Kuta: PAC-12 learns the hard way why, in an era with no playoff, BCS ratings and not head-to-head, should be the tie-breaker for participating in the conference final. Schedules just aren't the same.

Man, everyone keeps trying to come up with new disincentives for any quality team to schedule any other quality team OOC. The reason Stanford is ranked higher than Oregon is because their marquee OOC game (vs Notre Dame) was tons easier than Oregon's (with LSU). Every single conference has head-to-head as the primary (and for two teams, only) tiebreaker.

AdmirableSnackbar: AverageJoe77: 32 team playoff. Each conference gets two automatic bids. The last 11 spots go to the 11 schools that are ranked by the media, but did NOT get an automatic bids. Those schools that didn't make it into the playoff can STILL go play in the potato/cereal bowl. The former BCS bowls can bid on hosting the championship or semifinal games. There would be a crap ton of money from networks to air 5 weeks of PLAYOFF football. It'd be like March Madness, only with football.

The 11th ranked team isn't worthy of a playoff appearance, much less the 30th. And that would mean a 120-week season at least for kids who are supposed to be student-athletes and attend classes and take exams. Sure, there are the top few who don't but there are many more who play by the rules. A playoff system should take 10 teams at most (with the top 2 getting 1st round byes).

I think every conference deserves a shot. That makes it minimum 11 teams, and 5 more easily rounds it out. You'd have to develop a new system for the conference winners that don't make the BCS rankings, but the top 8 conference winners get slots 1-8 respectively and home bids, the worst conference winner should go to the #1 team, second worst to the #2, and third worst to #3. So the rankings by best conference winner to seeds goes: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 10, 9. The top five BCS teams that did not win their conference get slots 12-16.

Play ball.

Why Would I Read the Article: Kuta: PAC-12 learns the hard way why, in an era with no playoff, BCS ratings and not head-to-head, should be the tie-breaker for participating in the conference final. Schedules just aren't the same.

The Pac-12 has been hugely screwed by the BCS in just about every year since its inception. They don't need any further reminder that the whole system is an abortion. When the list of Pac-10 teams that HAVEN'T been screwed is smaller than the list of teams who have, you know there's a problem.

Fark the BCS.

The Pac-# has been one of the two biggest obstacles to improving the BCS past its current awfulness, because they and the Big 10+1+1 continue to worship the mangled corpse of the Rose Bowl.

coolio mack: Automatic bids to the winners of each conference (even the small ones like the Sun Belt).

They don't do this on any level - why should FBS be different, if we're preaching "must be the same as everyone else"?

Also, man you people are going to complain when you see how the playoffs work out, with at least five SEC teams in every year, all of which will be playing home games.

I'm still waiting for the day that some coach in the BCS hunt decides "Fark it, I owe no allegiance to this system" and votes his own team #1 while leaving the other teams in the hunt off the ballot. I wonder what the uproar would have been if either Gundy or Saban had done that.

AdmirableSnackbar: That's a poor incentive to give to any team.

Which is of course why college basketball doesn't give out any automatic bids. OH WAIT

Btw, using BCS/Sagarin rankings, the bracket is:
16. Kansas State at 1. LSU
15. Boise State at 2. Oklahoma State
14. Arkansas at 3. Oregon
13. Stanford at 4. Wisconsin
12. Alabama at 5. Clemson
11. Louisiana Tech at 6. TCU
10. Northern Illinois at 7. Southern Mississippi
9. Arkansas State at 8. West Virginia

Not bad. I still think the top 8 conference winners deserve home bids. Maybe let the top 5 non-winners take slots 9-13, and the last three take 14-16.

That would give:
16. Arkansas State at 1. LSU
15. Northern Illinois at 2. Oklahoma State
14. Louisiana Tech at 3. Oregon
13. Kansas State at 4. Wisconsin
12. Boise State at 5. Clemson
11. Arkansas at 6. TCU
10. Stanford at 7. Southern Mississippi
9. Alabama at 8. West Virginia

That may be better.